Who should return to the Wallabies fold?
By Lewis, 23 Oct 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
Australia's Ben Tapuai is tackled by Daniel Carter (left) and Richie McCaw (right) of New Zealand - Image: AFP/Patrick Hamilton.
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While Saturday night’s game against the All Blacks left me with a sour-taste in my mouth, knowing that Australia had blown what could have been one of our most famous victories, it was undoubtedly a fantastic performance given the circumstances.
The Wallabies showed a strong sense of character, determination and loyalty that I don’t believe we have seen in 2012 bar the game against Argentina in Rosario. And it was down to the fact that the team selected gave 100 percent, knowing they would have to work hard to secure the Test spot for their own.
Players like Nick Cummins, Ben Tapuia, Michael Hooper, Nick Phipps, Mike Harris, Sitaleki Timani and Kane Douglas have shown that they deserve to be in the Wallabies team after having started of the Test season in relative obscurity.
It is down to the notion that these players want to be in the Wallabies team; it is a dream for them, and they are trying to stay in the team for as long as they possibly can.
And in my opinion, this is what we need to build on for the Lions tour next year. Get rid of players who have started to believe their own publicity and see the gold jersey as guaranteed and not a privilige, e.g. Will Genia and Quade Cooper.
Now don’t get me wrong, Genia and Quade can be fantastic on their day, but what we need in the team is consistent performance, and not just one man-of-the-match game per year.
Notwithstanding that, I think that Genia and Cooper’s attitudes are poor and they are the ones making the Wallabies environment toxic, but I digress.
The question I pose to you Roarers is, if you were a Wallabies selector, who would you have back in the team once everybody is fully fit?
This would be my team for the Lions tour next year:
1. Slipper
2. Moore (Polata-Nau is a good defender but is poor at lineout throwing and bad ball-security)
3. Alexander
4. Horwill (captain)
5. Timani
6. Palu
7. Hooper
8. Pocock (note, this back-row is interchangeable with one another)
9. Phipps
10. O’Connor
11. Ioane
12. McCabe
13. Tapuia
14. Ashley-Cooper
15. Beale
16. Robinson
17. Polata-Nau
18. Douglas
19. Gill
20. Genia
21. Leleaiifano
22. Cummins
Thoughts?
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October 23rd 2012 @ 3:54am
Johnno said | October 23rd 2012 @ 3:54am | Report comment
Digby Ioane, JOC, Big Joe Tomane , Greg holmes, definalty steve Moore, Samo , James Horwill on the bench(timani, and douglas ahead of him now), ben alexander, dan palmer, CLLeifano defiantly, Matt Touma maybe too, Hugh Mcmaniman very happy he is back in Aust rugby.
Luke Burgess and Matt Giteau if they come back especially Luke Burgess he has been badly missed, Genia too, maybe Quade if he improves his defence and stops with those flakey moments eg vs Argentina on gold coast this year. All these players would add to the wallabies. Pocock we don’t need and he is the 3rd best now no 7 in my view. Hooper and Liam Gill both have amazing under-20 world cup records for OZ too, and both are faster than Pocock. The new laws 5 seconds are really speeding up rugby at the breakdown, Pocock is much slower than Hooper, and has no running game. And Gill is quicker too and reminds me of Brad Clyde in league. Just has class written all over him runs, tackles, does it all. I rate Liam Gill higher than Mick Hooper anyway. But those 2 are now ahead of Pocock. So yes those are my players to come back to the wallaby squad.
October 24th 2012 @ 11:30am
Mantis said | October 24th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
How are Gill and Hooper now ahead of Pocock? Hooper has played very well, but theres not way hes ahead of Pocock. Neither is Gill.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:31am
nobody said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:31am | Report comment
oh boy the Lions will pick a very powerful squad, how can we stop Manu and Roberts in the centers and maybe North/Cuthbert/Kearny in the back and not to mention the pack, our pack will be nowhere near the likes of 1-Alex Corbisiero. 2-Dylan Hartley. 3-Dan Cole. 4-Wyn-Jones. 5-Gray. 6-Tom Croft/Lydiate. 7-Warburton/O’Briean. 8-Faletau/Heaslip/Morgan, we need a powerful THP and Palmer is our 1st choice, not so sure about Ryan, havent been given alot of chances, if Robinson can return to his 2010 form than he’s our LHP, our locks should be fine with Horwill/Douglas/Timani/Pyle/Neville, im eager to see what kind of mongrel Mcmaniman (another lineout option) will bring next year, we still need a good dominant #6 (Higgins and Dennis still havent convinced me), maybe Pocock can shift to #6 or tell Gill to bulk up a bit and make the #6 his own. Fardy is a wildcard for the #6. our #8 is our weakest, we cannot depend too much on our fossil Samo, maybe a season too far for him next year, we cannot be sure about the injury prone Palu, my guess is if Timani Jr is qualified then pick him or Vaea or maybe Mcmaniman can be converted to #8, hoping to see more of Tomane/Kuridrani and Cummins next year as our backs needs some bulk, no so sure about Cooper’s defense but we need him to unlock there defense.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:02pm
nickoldschool said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:02pm | Report comment
agree with you nobody although i dont think our front row is nowhere close to what the Lions will bring (2010 Robinson wasnt much better than the 2012 version imo).
I see our 1-2-3 and our pair of centres as our weak points especially considering it will be the opponents strengths. Lets face it, wether you put Horne, Tapuai, AAC or McCabe, none of them are world class, i mean not worthy of a top 3 nation like Oz. Good players but not decisive. The rest at their best is ok.
Still think that the 2013 SR could bring some new names in the centres (or even the EOY tour). F’Sautia is the kind of guy who could make a difference.
October 23rd 2012 @ 5:10pm
Jutsie said | October 23rd 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
In 2010 robinson didnt play any international rugby. Our scrum was terrible that year as we were playing guys like daley and mafuu in the front row.
Our scrum was going alright when robinson and alexander were the front row in 2008/09 and foley was the scrum coach. foley was a big loss to the coaching team but I think blades has got us on track again.
October 24th 2012 @ 1:24am
bluerose said | October 24th 2012 @ 1:24am | Report comment
i thought Robinson was injured in 2011?, i think Tomane is what we need at center, he’s big, fast, strong, neat footwork and can tackle, Cummins is good too, it would an interesting sight to see 10-Cooper (even though i dont like his attitude). 11-Digby. 12-Tomane. 13-Cummins. 14-JOC. 15-Beale could be our strongest backline to match the Lions, for the EOYT i would like the selectors to take Salesi Manu (LHP), our locks are strong with depth, my backrow for next year depending on injuries and form i would have 6-McManiman/Fardy. 7-Pocock/Hooper. 8-Palu/Higgingbotham or Timani (if qualified).
October 24th 2012 @ 11:44am
Jutsie said | October 24th 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
He was injured in both years. In 2010 he had a fracture in his forearm during the super season in 2011 he buggered his knee during training for the wb’s.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:19am
RugbyRene said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Agree with most of those but I think you have 6 & 8 the wrong way around.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:26am
Hoy said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Beale
JOC
McCabe
Tapui
Digby
Cooper
Genia
???
Pocock
Hooper
Douglas
Horwill
Fit Kepu/Slipper
Moore/TPN if he can hold onto a ball
Holmes/Fit Robinson
I am not 100% about the front row. We have had so many like for likes there.
Number 8 is an issue. Palu if he is fit I guess, but I can’t hold out much hope on that. He is made of glass, and only seems to go for two to three game spurts before having long lay offs.
Anyway, that is my thoughts on a team.
Cooper back in the fold to creat chances like he can, solid defense in the centres, creativity and power with the back three, and in the forwards, good leg drive. I like Douglas better than Timani, and I think Hooper offers too good a ball carrying option to leave out. Whether he or Pocock go blind side, I am not fussed. Blades is doing good work with our scrum. I think in time, he will do great things with our scrum.
October 23rd 2012 @ 11:59am
Johnno said | October 23rd 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
I really hope some of the young power players step up: Lopeti Timani, Kuridrani, Joe Tomane, and some of those young reds players who got a run at end of this season. All these players could be blotters for Lions series.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:27pm
Jagman said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
There will 23 players for the Lions tour game day squad:
Robinson
TPN first 30-35, early substitution for Moore
Palmer Need the best scrummaging props to go first now that there will be two on the bench
Horwill
Timani
McMeniman Lineout general
Pocock
Palu second half early sub for Hooper Mcmeniman to #8
Genia
Cooper I hate to admit it but our attack is stagnant without him, he needs to learn to pull his head in and play to the game plan.Test match rugby is a toxic environment for players who just want to “have fun” with school boy stuff
Ioani
McCabe
AAC
JOC
Beale
Bench: Holmes/Slipper, Moore, Kepu/Alexander, Douglas, Dennis/Higgers, Hooper, White, Tapuai
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:33pm
Red Kev said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
A 6-2 bench?
Can someone clarify a point of law for me? I know the benches are increasing to 8 to accommodate a full front row being named, are the number of replacements allowed during a match being increased to 8 or still kept at 7?
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:39pm
Jagman said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Interesting question just assumed there will be 8 reserves.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:45pm
Jagman said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
It sort of defeats the purpose of increasing safety for the front row if you have to waste a substitution to put another prop out there. No-one will do it, but have I missed the point of the whole change.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:53pm
Red Kev said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Yeah, I have just assumed all 8 will be allowed, but after the Wallabies’ cock-up in Rosario I started to wonder, and I’ve never actually seen the wording of the new laws so I don’t know if it is “eight replacements including a complete front row” or something different.
Personally I would like to see the rules changed to 5 tactical substitutions permitted before the 75 minute mark with the remaining 3 reserves able to be given five minutes at the end of the match. Any previously substituted player can be brought back onto the field to cover genuine injury (based on medic advice, not Berrick Barnes style cramps or Robinson/Alexander “injuries”) outside of that 5-sub rule, and that any front-row replacements made to ensure contestable scrums are packed are similarly exempt from the 5-sub rule.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:48pm
sittingbison said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
The team for B&IL should be:
XV ?
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I ?
I am saying its open slather, don’t be blinkered this far out with names, forget reputation and select who has displayed form during the S15 season and select players in their proper position. Neither of which happened this year.
What the past two weeks has shown is that second and third stringers are capable and spirited, if the lesson is learnt gone are the days of selecting the “usual suspects” regardless of their form or attitude.
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:18pm
gekko said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Thanx sittingbison, voice of reason.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:54pm
JIM said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
I like the look of your side Lewis. I think I would swap McCabe and Tapuai. I think Tapuai at 12 ith McCabe running out wider would be a great thing to see.
I think the biggest issue for Beale and JOC will be where they are playing their Super rugby next year. they are both talented and could conceivable play either 10 or 15. But i think you need time in a position. So wherever they play Super rugby is where they hould be picked. Which probably means you are right.
My concern with Moore and Alexander in the front row is that thy dont do enough in defence. Horwill backin the tight 5 will improve close in defence. I would be tempted to leave TPN in the side and just try harder to teach him to throw. He makes some big hits inclose. Which puts pressure on oppositions.
I would love to see Morahan get a spot on the bench as well. I think he is highly underrated.
October 23rd 2012 @ 12:55pm
PM said | October 23rd 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Phipps in place of Genia, you cannot be serious! He is our third string halfback after Genia and White.
We need a third line out jumper at 6, Paul at 8, there is only room for Pocock or Hooper in the starting 15.
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:00pm
Jagman said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
MMM for mine. A big number six is needed also a lineout general o replace Sharpe.
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:02pm
Red Kev said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
He’s got more glass in him than Palu, waste of time bringing him into the fold.
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:09pm
Jutsie said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
How has he gone in japan, has he continued to have injury concerns? There are a number of instances where players with a history of injuries have overcome this. MMM is only 28 and if he can go through the first half of the super season without any major concerns and is in form then we should def select him.
October 24th 2012 @ 11:33am
Mantis said | October 24th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
How about starting Higgers instead of Palu (so he can be a lineout option) and then play hooper and pocock. Bring Palu on as an impact player not long after half time
October 23rd 2012 @ 1:48pm
jameswm said | October 23rd 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Phipps starting and Genia on the bench?
Sorry I can’t read anything else.