2012 Geelong Cup: Preview, tips, live blog
The winning horse Dunaden (right, behind) races ahead of Red Cadeaux across the finish line during race seven for Melbourne Cup at Flemington Racecourse in Melbourne, Tuesday, Nov. 1, 2011. (AAP Image/Julian Smith)
The 2012 Geelong Cup is an open handicap run over a mile and a half (2400m) and is viewed as one of most important Melbourne Cup form races. Join us the lead up to the race for previews, tips and a live blog of the race, with the jump at 4:00pm AEDT.
With the Melbourne Cup just 13 days later, the Group 3 Geelong Cup has become an important lead up race for many Cup hopefuls, both local and international.
First run in 1872, the Geelong Cup has grown in status on the spring racing calendar with the event now attracting $300,000 in prizemoney, up from $240,000 last year.
Many racing personalities have called for the race to be upgraded to Group 2 status, which essentially just raises the minimum prize pool, but some believe it should also hold ballot exemption to the Melbourne Cup.
This may be a means for locally trained stayers to win their way into Australia’s greatest race, however it may just result in another Cup spot being won by a more credentialed international horse.
Historically, the Geelong Cup winner may have their Melbourne Cup weight penalised, allowing them to rise in the order of entry and potentially gain a start.
This was the case for past winners Media Puzzle (penalised 1.5kg in 2002) and Bauer (penalised 1kg in 2008). Coincidently Media Puzzle went on to win the 2002 Melbourne Cup and Bauer ran a close second in 2008.
Trainers also like to use the race as a Melbourne Cup lead in for qualified horses as it does not attract the same field size as the Caulfield Cup and still provides good time for recovery.
The Geelong Cup has been an exceptionally strong guide to the Melbourne Cup for a number of years now, including providing the last two winners in Dunaden (2011) and Americain (2010).
Like Bauer after him, On A Jeune was narrowly defeated by Makybe Diva in the 2005 Melbourne Cup after winning the Geelong Cup at his previous start.
She’s Archie (second in the Geelong Cup in 2003) and Crime Scene (unplaced in 2009) both ran second in the Melbourne Cup in those years respectively.
This year’s field comprises a strong mix of local and international talent. Brigantin (30th in the Melbourne Cup order of entry (OOE)) and Gatewood (40th in OOE) are desperate to win in order to improve their chances of gaining a Melbourne Cup start with weight penalties.
The 2012 Geelong Cup field is:
Maluckyday (#1 58.5kg) the 2010 Melbourne Cup runner up ran his first placing since the Cup when he finished the Bart Cummings at Flemington strongly in 2nd place behind 2011 Geelong Cup runner up Taby.
Thrilling connections with that performance, Maluckyday is already guaranteed a start in this year’s Melbourne Cup (15th in OOE) and will be looking to impress connections again on route to Flemington for the Cup.
Tac De Boistron (#2 58.5kg) this fellow has two important letters in front of his name FR (France). The French horses have had a strangle hold on our major staying races the last two springs and while only a Group 2 winner, it was over Shahwardi (recent Herbert Power winner) last start at home over 2800m.
Guaranteed a Cup start (23rd in OOE) connections will be looking for him to run well and potentially win diminishing the chances of two rivals (Brigantin and Gatewood) winning their way into the field.
Brigantin (#3 57.5kg) probably the most talked about international at Werribee this year, Brigantin is expected to run a big race today and force his way into the Melbourne Cup field.
Although only a Group 2 winner, his victory was over a horse that goes ok in Saturday’s Caulfield Cup winner Dunaden at 3100m in France last year! By all reports he has acclimatised very naturally to local conditions and is said to be an outstanding track worker.
Gatewood (#4 55.5kg) from the red hot John Gosden stable, the British international was luckless in the Herbert Power recently and with conditions expected to suit today, he is right in the mix.
The money for him in the Herbert Power can’t be ignored and with a winning strike rate of 50% from 8 starts, connections will be desperate to see him climb the Melbourne Cup OOE with a win and small penalty.
Exceptionally (#5 54kg) the Victorian mare needs little introduction as she has been in outstanding form since returning from a two month let off in September. Not missing a place in three starts, she is looking for a breakthrough win and penalty to try to force her way into the Melbourne Cup field (39th in OOE). Shahwardi was a bit too classy for her in the Herbert Power and alas she may find one of these a little too classy again today.
Chateau Margaux (#6 54kg) another mare who has performed well in Victoria recently albeit generally at handicap level. Trained by Peter Moody and owned by industry giant Gerry Harvey, her 50% winning ratio from 10 starts shouldn’t be ignored and with luck she could find herself somewhere in the finish today.
She’s not paid up for the Melbourne Cup so her spring could be coming to an end shortly.
Back in Black (#7 54kg) weight relief is about all I can say positively towards this fellow’s chances today. A New Zealand galloper who rarely travels, we did see him run in this race last year finishing a credible 2.5 lengths off Dunaden. Now a 7YO with 9 wins from 60 starts, he was beaten 10 lengths in the WFA Group 1 Hastings Spring Classic last start at home.
Tips: It’s very difficult to find a true speed map for the race given we know little about the internationals racing pattern, particularly Tac De Boistron and Brigantin and the small field size with no obvious leader.
However with plenty of European racing experience, I expect this race might be truly run and Gatewood will probably be more positive because getting back and cluttered up inside several horses at Caulfield didn’t suit him.
Inform jock Glen Boss takes the ride on Gatewood and he would be keen to win and cement the ride in the Melbourne Cup.
From all reports out of Werribee, Brigantin is flying and connections of Dunaden (59kg) fear he could be their biggest threat in the Melbourne Cup (currently 53kg) pending a win today. With a last start win over Shahwardi, the Tac De Boistron camp will be confident of a strong showing and if the race has a fast tempo Exceptionally and Maluckyday could be finishing off strongly.
However time after time the internationals show how dynamic they are first up over 2400m in Australia and this makes them the ones to beat.
- Brigantin (#3)
- Gatewood (#4)
- Tac De Boistron (#2)
- Exceptionally (#5)
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Game Information
Race 7 - Centrebet GEELONG CUP - 2400m - 4:00pmGroup 3. Open. Handicap. ($300,000)
1 x447x8x802 MALUCKYDAY (NZ) d 3 M, W, & John Hawkes Jimmy Cassidy 58.5
2 441x53521x TAC DE BOISTRON (FR) sh (G) 5 Michael Kent Corey Brown 58.5
3 3738x24622 BRIGANTIN (USA) dsh 1 A Fabre U Rispoli 57.5
4 214x111327 GATEWOOD (GB) sb 7 J H Gosden Glen Boss 55.5
5 0x00021233 EXCEPTIONALLY (NZ) s (BLKS) 6 Terry and Karina O'sullivan Dean Yendall 54
6 x1117x2311 CHATEAU MARGAUX ts 2 Peter G Moody Luke Nolen 54
7 2900970170 BACK IN BLACK (NZ) s 4 J J Steffert Craig Newitt 54
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3:12pm
Sh00ter said | 3:12pm | Report comment
I think Bruce said on tvn they ran the first 1800m 42 lengths slower than the 0-68 rated mile and a half race lol. I think the horse to follow is maluckday. He’s seemingly back to his 2010 form where he ran 2nd to Americain in the Cup. Crime scene ran a similar Geelong Cup in 2009 with good closing sectionals before running really well in the cup (2nd to Shocking). Malucky drops nicely weight too.
12:10pm
racingtips said | 12:10pm | Report comment
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10:17am
Bondy. said | 10:17am | Report comment
Maluckyday’s got hiss hoof right on the till. I wish these bookies would stop sending me emails of $200 free join ups, they become irritating.
6:19pm
Justin Cinque said | 6:19pm | Report comment
Just watched a replay of the Geelong Cup. Gatewood, Brigantin, Chateau Margaux and Maluckyday were all very good runs. Luck in running basically determined their finishing order. Because the pace of the race was so slow, I don’t know how much we can read into the race but you can’t knock any of those four.
Tac de Boistron, who needed to churn out a serious closing section to figure in the finish couldn’t get close so perhaps he wasn’t quite ready. His run was pretty poor. I wouldn’t be surprised if either he or Exceptionally jarred up there on the good surface – both were ordinary runs.
That official last 600m time of 32.08 is ridiculous. You hardly ever see sprinters break 33s, so to go six lengths faster than 33 flat in a 2400m race is out of this world. I hand-timed the last 600m and have it around 33.4s which is still super super fast but at least realistic.
In her career, Black Caviar has only once beaten 32.08 for a last 600m – and this is arguably the best sprinter the world has ever seen.
4:24pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:24pm | Report comment
That’s it from the live blog, our colourful racing identities will dissect the race and try and work out what it means for the Melbourne Cup. Thanks for joining us.
4:19pm
Alfred Chan said | 4:19pm | Report comment
Good run by Gatewood who will start the MC at about $10. I don’t expect Chateau Margaux to make a real bid for the MC. Brigantin is in strife but sitting 30th in the order of entry, I think he’ll get either the 23rd or 24th spot. Forgive run for Maluckyday who will come back after that bad start. The MC should suit better when he comes back down in weights. Exceptionally will go to the Lexus but I can’t see him getting into the MC field based on today’s run.
4:25pm
Alfred Chan said | 4:25pm | Report comment
Southern Speed, Manighar, December Draw, Ethiopia, Seville, Precedence and Unusual Suspect all sit above Brigantin in the MC order of entry. I suspect all will be pulled out with the exception of maybe one so Brigantin will probably still make the field.
4:25pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:25pm | Report comment
Good thoughts, but I think Exceptionally is a mare
4:16pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:16pm | Report comment
What does this mean for the Melbourne Cup? Well, to me, it’s not nearly as clear as Dunaden’s win last year. The Melbourne Cup is much more of a staying test, and this wasn’t that today. It was more of a sit and sprint.
However, the order of entry will be mixed up. Should Gatewood cop a 1.5kg penalty, which it probably will, it’ll jump over Brigantin.
Maluckyday didn’t have the right race to suit and jumped away badly.
4:11pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:11pm | Report comment
Final 600m was in 32.08, the race 2m 34 – some ten seconds off the course record. Slow tempo meant it was a real sprint race. Like trackwork and not a real staying test which can be the problem in a quality race without the quantity.
4:14pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:14pm | Report comment
Thanks for the call tristo. Appreciated! But if that last 600 is correct i’ll walk to geelong tonight. Black caviar in full flight would struggle to run 32.08.
4:17pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:17pm | Report comment
Start hiking mate. That’s from the track! Bossy knew he’s broken 33s…
4:22pm
Justin Cinque said | 4:22pm | Report comment
I’m baffled. That’s ridiculous. Wow!
4:11pm
Brett McKay said | 4:11pm | Report comment
Tristo, you’ve done a sterling job once again, but following a horse race in text is no less amusing one year on…
4:12pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:12pm | Report comment
Glad you enjoyed for another year Brett!
4:07pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:07pm | Report comment
Brigantin and Chateau Margaux nearly dead-heat for second.
4:28pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:28pm | Report comment
Chateau Margaux gets the nod – finishes second ahead of Brig.
4:07pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:07pm | Report comment
Gatewood wins! He’ll be in the Melbourne Cup!
4:04pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:04pm | Report comment
Here’s the sprint home! Gatewood leads down the straight, but he’s holding off a wall of chasers…
4:03pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:03pm | Report comment
It’s an even tempo – not a hot speed but it has been a stroll. They’ll sprint this home.
4:03pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:03pm | Report comment
Back In Black, Gatewood on the speed second, Brigantin, Château Margaux, Tac De Boistron Exceptionally, Maluckyday – no change to the order over the first 1400m.
4:02pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:02pm | Report comment
They’re off! Jumped ok, Maluckyday jumped awkwardly. Back in Black leads. Gatewood second, Brigantin third. Maluckyday last.
4:01pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:01pm | Report comment
Moments away…
4:00pm
Tristan Rayner said | 4:00pm | Report comment
Horses coming to the barriers now, not long until a start
3:54pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:54pm | Report comment
I’m not betting in this race, punters. Too many question marks and I can find a reason to back 1, 3, 4 or 5 – and wouldn’t be too stunned if 2 or even the 6 win. Even Back in Black has supporters.
I’ll be watching extremely closely and will be fascinating to see this afternoon. We’re 5 minutes away.
3:55pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:55pm | Report comment
I think if you can find a reason to have an investment on any of these, you should back yourself.
3:58pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:58pm | Report comment
Tac De Boistron’s owner said he’d be shocked if he won – he’s better over longer – 2800-3000m and beyond.
3:52pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:52pm | Report comment
Chateau Margaux – not up to the others for mine.
3:51pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:51pm | Report comment
Exceptionally – she won’t get stuck in traffic today, and is coming into form, but can she win?
3:51pm
Alfred Chan said | 3:51pm | Report comment
Brigantin is tiny!
3:50pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:50pm | Report comment
Brigantin looks a picture in the yard, just a little horse.
3:49pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:49pm | Report comment
Maluckyday is probably Australia’s (only?) hope in the Melbourne Cup, but he is giving away weight to the Internationals – that’s not a great thing. The winkers go back on. It’s an ideal race for him, but can he win? He looks well in the yard.
3:43pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:43pm | Report comment
Gatewood is the other hot chance here. He has one run in Australia when beaten virtually untried to the line. He is here to win to qualify for the Melbourne Cup and faces a much smaller field. Glenn Boss is onboard and in-form.
3:37pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:37pm | Report comment
They key today for the Brigantin / Tac De Boistron battle might be that ‘TDB’ is unplaced when resuming from a 4/5 month break from racing. This race is one of those times, so the nod must go to Brigantin today.
3:36pm
Tristan Rayner said | 3:36pm | Report comment
Good afternoon Roarers, a fascinating race coming up in around 24 minutes time.
Bookies are reporting a huge amount of money coming for Brigantin, who has firmed in to $2.80 although there is better available.
It’s a tough race for me to tip you a winner. Our preview comes from Roarer Sh00ter who likes Brigantin. He has a lot of history with Tac De Boistron, with not much between them over three previous outings in Europe.
12:28pm
Tristan Rayner said | 12:28pm | Report comment
Current tote odds look something like this:
1 MALUCKYDAY (3) J CASSIDY 4.20 2.00
2 TAC DE BOISTRON (5) C BROWN 10.70 4.50
3 BRIGANTIN (1) U RISPOLI 4.10 3.20
4 GATEWOOD (7) G BOSS 3.50 2.40
5 EXCEPTIONALLY (6) D YENDALL 5.40 2.60
6 CHATEAU MARGAUX (2) L NOLEN 10.90 3.10
7 BACK IN BLACK (4) C NEWITT 20.10 4.70