Australasian rugby’s 120 year swap meet
By Dane25, 25 Oct 2012 Dane25 is a Roar Guru
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In the aftermath of the Brisbane Bledisloe break-even, my celebratory crooning of Waltzing Matilda was abruptly muted by a snappy Steve Hansen jab to the patriotic solar plexus.
Obviously sick to death of fielding questions about the grouse feats of Aussie Mike Harris, the All Blacks coach retorted with a few choice lines about Australia’s penchant for chucking second-tier Kiwi jumbucks in the swag and shipping them back across the Tasman.
Understandably, he doesn’t like the thought of having some of his choice livestock grazing inside the enemy paddock and boosting the standard of the Australian flock, nor does he enjoy when some of them are brazenly re-branded in gold and passed off as Vegemite kids.
I’m cool with that notion. Nobody likes to see an essay that is copy-and-pasted from Google, nor does anybody like to see the English cricket team full of South Africans.
And most of all, nobody likes having their stuff pinched.
This got me thinking: is this hand-me-down arrangement we have with our cousins a two-way street?
In an attempt to brain this poser, I’ve used my time at work this week wisely by going over the New Zealand honour roll for any ‘discrepancies’ regarding re-badged produce that once wore the stamp of the boxing kangaroo.
In news that will skyrocket the Wallaby rugby ego: I managed to find some Australian All Blacks!
Ben Franks
This bloke has been heavy scrummaging artillery for the All Blacks over 21 tests, but in reality he should be playing for the Wallabies or at least in the forward pocket for Hawthorn.
Franks said his first g’day to the world when he was born in Melbourne back in 1984, and I can only come to the conclusion that he saw Australia’s ocean-like depth in the front row stocks and decided the Shaky Isles was a better track to international rugby.
Steve Devine
Devine was a talented halfback who spilled plenty of sweat for the New Zealand cause as an Auckland stalwart and a 10-test All Black, even though he cut his teeth in the rough streets of Boggabri in NSW.
To make matters worse, he’s now a talented television presenter on Sky TV in his adopted homeland, meaning that we here in Australia missed out on someone who could be on the box instead of Greg Martin.
Derren Witcombe
Not only is this bloke memorable for his five tests for the All Blacks or the cool way he spells his first name, he’s also a household name in his birthplace of humble Hobart in Tasmania.
There’s not much you can nail on Witcombe for taking the small paddle from the Apple Isle to New Zealand to play some footy. I’m pretty sure there’s absolutely nobody playing rugby in Tassie, so what other choice did he have?
Sam Harding
Take a trip to the far reaches of Perth and the moment you step from the plane you’ll hear names like Ben Cousins, John Worsfold and Sam Harding.
The tough-as-nails Subiaco flanker wasn’t able to break in to the ranks of the Western Australia Aussie Rules scene, so he left behind the questionable nightlife of the western seaboard and embarked on a memorable rugby career in New Zealand, which yielded a solitary test cap against Fiji.
Scott McLeod
This man is an New Zealand rugby mainstay with 17 tests for the All Blacks and 44 Super Rugby games for the Chiefs, as well as having a few fingers in various coaching pies in the current day.
However, the fact of the matter is he should be imparting knowledge to sprouting youngsters here in the Australian system, as he was born a dinky-di banana-bender back in 1973 in the sun-bashed capital of Brisbane. Again, an understandable departure considering he had to deal with Queenslanders as a child.
Honorary mentions
Des Connor (Born 1935 in Brisbane, 12 caps for New Zealand and 12 for Australia), James Tilyard (1889 in Waratah, Tasmania, 10 New Zealand caps), Billy Mitchell (1890 in Melbourne, 5 New Zealand caps), Alfred Eckhold (1885 in Adelaide, three New Zealand caps) and William Mackrell (1881 in Milton, NSW, one New Zealand cap).
The Australasian swap meet carries on to this day after 120+ years of wheeling and dealing and stealing.
Gentlemen, shall we call a truce after the pilfering of Harris?
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October 25th 2012 @ 4:16am
Johnno said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:16am | Report comment
He he, don’t get the kiwis started either on Aussies taking there best arts and entertainment imports and claiming them as our own (aussies). You name it Rusty Crowe, Sam Neil, Crowded House. Split Endz, Jane Campion, and of course NZ biggest export dicky Wilkins. Offical name Richard Wilklins. Oh an i forget too mention Quade, our Qaude and aussy jim formerly known as James Turncoat tamou lol.
Oh and while your at it an honorary mention to some veterans who used to grace our screens Brian Henderson, and Derryn Hinch,, and Charlotte Dawson.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:30pm
El Gamba said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
Crowded house were half Australian! They chose the Sydney Opera House for their farewell concert so I think shows where their hearts were in any case…
October 25th 2012 @ 3:53pm
matthewthorpe said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
not to mention phar lap as well!
October 25th 2012 @ 4:17am
Johnno said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:17am | Report comment
He he, don’t get the kiwis started either on Aussies taking there best arts and entertainment imports and claiming them as our own (aussies). You name it Rusty Crowe, Sam Neil, Crowded House. Split Endz, Jane Campion Paul Henry on ten’s breakfast show, and of course NZ biggest export Richard Wilkins lol, oh wait a minute it is DIngo Deans our honoury aussie lol . Oh an i forget too mention Quade, our Qaude, and aussy jim formerly known as James Turncoat tamou lol. Let’s throw in Karmicheal Hunt for good measure why not. And don’t ever dare tell a kiwi Richie Mccaw would rather play for Scotland either lol. Oh no. And also don’t mention Ted’s adventure in the wilds of south america the andes ,amazon and adventures in Argentina either lo.
Oh and while your at it an honorary mention to some veterans who used to grace our screens Brian Henderson, and Derryn Hinch,, and Charlotte Dawson. Oh and if you keep a secret to in NZ Spiro the World class Rugby writer on the roar also hails from NZ originally too. So don’t tell any kiwis about all these talented kiwis it might make them a wee bit hot under the collar, across the ditch.
October 25th 2012 @ 6:11am
richard said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:11am | Report comment
Wow, a whole five players, we have done well. Now, back in the real world, starting with Greg Davis back in the 1960′s you lot have had the better part of four decades poaching our talent. Trust me, you wouldn’t want to get into a tit – for- tat contest to see who has done the most poaching. It would be one- way traffic i.e nz to oz.
This thread is as nonsensical as the drivel coming out of o’neill’s mouth about nz poaching pi’s.
October 25th 2012 @ 6:27am
Pogo said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:27am | Report comment
” I can only come to the conclusion that he saw Australia’s ocean-like depth in the front row stocks”
Gold.
Oh and Johnno you can keep Russell Crow, Paul Henry and Charlotte Dawson. I had to google to find out who Richard Wilkins is.
October 25th 2012 @ 6:36am
moaman said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Can YOU please–please–keep that A****ole Paul Henry?
October 25th 2012 @ 7:06am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:06am | Report comment
I’ll second that
_ Paul Henry was born in Pommieland anyway, so you’re welcome to him…… NED KELLY was born on Somes Island in a manger, wrapped in swaddling clothes and given to Three Wise Men to escort down to a Convict Ship tied up in Wellington Harbour and send across the ditch to Van Dieman’s land. I understand he played rugby for Brothers, grew up to be a Bank Manager and one of his ancestors was Alan Bond
October 25th 2012 @ 12:46pm
Brendon said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
hahahahaha
October 25th 2012 @ 8:51am
the coach said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
This whole discussion started by the gloomy Steve Hansen (who comes across as “my glass is half empty because someone else drank out of it type of person”) is a load of crap!
Guys, rugby turned professional a couple of years ago and, as a result, players will go wherever they need to (within the rules) to earn a quid.
Steve, get over it!
PS: It would have been nice to hear some words of congratulations from Hansen for Australia’s effort given their injury toll, but all he said (or all that was reported anyway) was his complaints about Higginbotham and Harris. Sore loser (almost) or what?
October 25th 2012 @ 2:32pm
El Gamba said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
Sore drawer, for sure.
The guy that almost took New Zealand to the most consecutive record
October 25th 2012 @ 9:45am
the coach said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
BTW, under the current eligibility rules, Michael Jones could not have played for the All Blacks.
As he played his first senior international for Samoa in 1986 (before being selected for the NZ World Cup team in 1987), he would then have no longer been eligible to play for another country, even though he was born and raised in NZ.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:41pm
atlas said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
There are 20 Australian-born All Blacks in total, not all of whom played tests – 7 did not – from the good old days of tour matches.
20 – that is the total of all the Samoan and Tongan-born players to ever have worn Black.
I see a poaching conspiracy going on!
It’s an interesting list histroy-wise, of course in the ‘old days’ the country was full of new immigrants, and see players born in India (1884, 1893, 1901) suppose born to British military families there?
Note one of those – Bernard O’Dowda – I know his later descendants, three further generations of whom went on to play NZ provincial rugby.
Full list on the All Blacks site http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/bornoverseas.ASP?stats_ID=8
October 25th 2012 @ 3:29pm
Ocktoberfest said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
“Look, thanks for the offer to coach Wales. But as it means I am depriving you of your own development, and I don’t want Wales to look like you’re poaching NZ talent, I’ll politely decline.”
-said Steve Hansen, never.
October 25th 2012 @ 3:58pm
matthewthorpe said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
i think the wallabies will easily be able to solve this whole situation about player eligibility in one foul swoop – lets send Quade Cooper back to NZ.
hopefully the kiwis will love having their star player back, i assume the fans will
October 25th 2012 @ 5:04pm
atlas said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
I think the ‘fans’ you refer to are a vocal minority. I’d like to see him come back and play a season of ITM Cup, or part of it as international obligations come first. There will always be some d-heads in the crowd – there are at any game. ITM would be a good grounding for him.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:53pm
Snobby Deans said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:53pm | Report comment
Don’t you dare . . . you keep QC & you keep Deans
October 25th 2012 @ 5:01pm
aussiekiwi said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
Again nice writing Dane25. I fear the humour was a bit too subtle for some though.