Meads not yet ready to lay down for McCaw
By Allanthus, 25 Oct 2012 Allanthus is a Roar Guru
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Sheek’s excellent recent article on Richie McCaw certainly generated plenty of support for McCaw as the greatest player rugby has seen, and the events of Suncorp last Saturday night only reinforce those views.
In what was a misfiring All Blacks’ performance McCaw stood out for two moments in particular: singlehandedly shutting down a dangerous kick though he was well outnumbered, then showing inspiring leadership to risk a loss in order to try to convert a draw into an unlikely (and probably undeserved) win.
But for McCaw to assume the “greatest ever” mantle he would need to oust the incumbent who, according to most observers, is the great All Black: lock forward Colin Meads.
Such comparisons across eras are always difficult, even moreso when one of the contenders is still playing and may have another three seasons left at the top level. So while McCaw is very much in the public eye, allow me to shift some of the focus back onto Meads.
Statistically Meads’ All Black record looks nothing like McCaw’s, 55 tests from 133 matches for the All Blacks, but this is purely reflective of different structures applying to different generations.
A typical Meads winter saw him attend club training on Tuesday and Thursday nights, turn out Saturday for his club Waitete, a handful of sub-union games for Maniopoto, 10-12 provincial games for King Country, plus higher honours matches such as All Black trials, North v South etc, and then of course All Blacks home tests, and tours in the off season.
Tours of the long form variety, with matches in all corners against all comers – not the FIFO test only visits that we see today.
All the while running a sizeable sheep farm, bringing up 5 kids and driving many miles to attend trainings and matches across the remote King Country and beyond. Without a personal manager or media manager in sight, and not a cent to show for it.
I was fortunate enough to grow up in the area and doubly lucky to have been a young fella standing on the sideline watching the great man at work.
Most vivid is a game on the Taumarunui Domain (on the number two ground no less, sometimes even the greatest are not deemed worthy of the number one pitch) between Waitete and Taumarunui Athletic where, one Saturday afternoon, the ridiculously strong Waitete pack was laying their usual waste.
In what was a well rehearsed routine, brothers Stan and Bill Symonds (another fine player) distracted the referee at a lineout, whose look away to sort the issue was Colin’s cue to clean out his opposing lock with a single clean punch. No TV of course, and in the days when touch was run by a reserve player or team manager using a spare pair of shorts as a flag, naturally done on the side of the field where their own man was on the line.
I don’t recall who it was he clocked but I did hear a few weeks ago that he’d just woken up asking if Neil Armstrong got back safely from the moon and what was the deal with this new decimal currency.
The Waitete pack lorded over the King Country just like the T-Birds ruled Rydell High. With a combination of skill and intimidation, over players and referees alike. I did once see a referee brave enough to send Meads off, late in his career, in a club match in the modest rugby outpost of Pio Pio, the small home crowd raucously cheering his every step back to the showers.
Meads’ most famous send off occurred in a test match against Scotland in 1967, ironic in that by almost all accounts, this incident was considered accidental or at worst careless. For Meads to complain, however, would be rather like John Holmes considering himself unlucky to contract Aids, and to his credit Meads copped what was a major humiliation on the chin without bitterness.
Of course many Australian views of Meads are clouded by the injury to Ken Catchpole and I make no attempt to gloss over this. It is well documented and, years later, does not sit well against the Meads persona, or the actions of a man who has given his life to rugby administration, countless private and public charitable acts, and continues to engage rugby supporters all around the world as an ambassador of the game.
Despite being capable of thuggish acts, anyone who has met the man knows that he is no thug. These were different times than today in terms of what was acceptable both on the field and in society.
Other anecdotes? The reverence in which Meads is held in New Zealand was highlighted to me on tour in the 80’s when billeted with son Glynn, a talented number eight good enough himself to be selected for an All Blacks Trial match.
While our teammates were all housed close to whatever action there was in Gisborne, we were driven to an impressive country manor, where numerous neighbours and relatives attended after dinner for an audience with the son of a legend.
Like a scene straight out of a Jane Austen costume drama, we retired to the drawing room, listened intently to a piano recital from one of the children, applauded politely, where thereafter, one by one, all were introduced to the guest of honour. Glynn never batted an eyelid, it came with the territory.
New Zealanders feel attached to Meads via his nickname “Pinetree”. For Te Kuiti locals, however, he was and is always simply “Tree,” this being their way of claiming territorial ownership over their man, and his way of just being another local bloke.
Another of Meads’ old King Country teammates was Maori All Black prop Bill Wordley, whose youngest son had gone off the rails a little, got in with the wrong crowd, and earned himself the rather dubious nickname “Scab.” He had just returned from a stint in Borstal when we were at an aftermatch function in the mid 80’s.
I happened to find myself alongside Meads at the urinal. “Gidday young Allanthus,” said the great man, not to distinguish me as young so much as to differentiate me from my old man.
“Gidday Colin” was about the best I can remember offering up in reply.
At which point young Wordley walked in to join us. He acknowledged me then turned to Meads and flicked an eyebrow in that cool way that only a real bro can do.
“Gidday Tree,” he said.
“Gidday Scab,” said Meads, zipping up his fly.
No irony, no trying to be funny, just one of the locals fitting in.
Above all else though, what ranks Meads so highly was his ability on the field. Never the tallest lock, he was blessed with massive hands, speed of foot and seemingly natural strength which was enhanced by farmwork.
He had tremendous presence on the field, stunning athleticism, and loved to carry the ball in one hand, throwing outrageous circular dummies, and flicking out offloads. The sort of stuff that adds zeroes to SBW’s contract every time he does it, Meads was doing routinely 40-50 years earlier.
There is no question in my mind that he would similarly dominate in today’s professional environment, although to be fair, with general improvement in player fitness and conditioning, the gap to the mortals may have been narrowed.
I don’t know Meads’ private view of McCaw nor McCaw’s of Meads, but I have no doubt that there is a shared humility, and agreement that all this discussion about who really is the greatest ever is not a matter for them.
Regardless of when and if Richie McCaw assumes the mantle, perhaps the greatest satisfaction that McCaw can take from this is that to even be considered in the same breath as Meads is testament enough to his outstanding career.
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October 25th 2012 @ 3:07am
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:07am | Report comment
The one thing Meads never did was end his career on a high. He lost to the Lions in 1971.
What if McCaw stays until 2015 and wins the next World Cup? Granted I still think NZ are horrible at World Cups. They were bad against France. So very, very bad…
But of course Quade Cooper took away Australia’s bragging rights away about bad performances in World Cups. Australia now has the most hideous capitulation against England in 2007 and Quade’s craziness in the 2011 semi-final. A far cry from Australia’s big match 2003 final!
But I digress… McCaw’s legacy isn’t finalized. Another World Cup and he’s the greatest, definitely.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:11pm
Nick said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
They weren’t bad against France. They dominated two thirds of the match. World cup finals are usually tense, close encounters. The final five mins demonstrated immense control and courage. They deserve more respect for it than ill informed cheapshots
October 25th 2012 @ 4:43pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
So very, very bad…
October 25th 2012 @ 11:31pm
abnutta said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:31pm | Report comment
Many forget that Meads would probably have played on after that Lions tour in 1971 but for a broken back sustained in a car accident which caused him to miss the 1972 season and the 1972/73 tour of the UK. That tour was captained by Ian Kirkpatrick and only just missed the grand slam with a 10-10 draw against Ireland.
Meads’ swansong actually came in 1973 when he captained a NZRFU Presidents XV against the All Blacks…. and WON.
If McCaw can find a way to captain a team to victory against his beloved All Blacks, then his ascendancy over Meads would be pretty well locked up.
October 25th 2012 @ 5:41am
mania said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:41am | Report comment
after seeing mccaw suffer another cheapshot u cant help but think that meads had the right idea. the maj of the cheapshots mccaw suffers are head shots and these can lead to later long term problems.
no one would dare take a cheap shot at meads
October 25th 2012 @ 8:27am
Allanthus said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Correct Mania, he was way too intimidating.
But that’s also reflective of the different times. In those days players were expected to sort their own business out.
As discussed last week, Shelford dealing to the Taffy Richards in the ’87 RWC was probably about the end of players acting as judge and executioner.
I’m sure McCaw would be capable of looking after himself but the rules simply don’t allow it, and today it would be Shelford who would be sent off.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:40am
mania said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
yeah allanthus, agree it was different times. i coached gridiron and when i was helping out our local rep team i was passing on some of the more clandestine stuff i used to get up to. gridiron is not a gentlemen sport and blind sides are legit if done correctly. the players said to me that isnt very sporting. i poiinted out that that was what i did to them during the entire local comp and what did they think would be stopping the opposition from doing it?
it was abot the mid 80′s that the the thuggery of the games really started getting ousted in league and rugby. i played both at the time.
probably a good thing too with all the career ending cheapshots and head highs that used to go on in those days. i remember watching some original state of origin a couple of years back and a forward has his head hanging out of a standing tackle and artyBeets comes thru like a freight train and tries to decapitate him with a forearm, and then the commentators say “he should’ve got a warning for that” a warning LOL, he would’ve been banned for a minimum of a year had he done that today.
October 25th 2012 @ 7:36am
Rugby Tragic said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Allanthus, great article, most enjoyable read which ‘humanises’ Sir Colin, a great man. As to who is/was the greatest, that is very subjective – not going there. I just think we have been blessed to be able to witness such outstanding players.
October 25th 2012 @ 7:50am
sheek said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Allanthus,
Lovely article,
Yeah Meads & McCaw, they’re up there in the stratosphere alone. Well, except for Felix
maybe!
Frank is right, McCaw’s legacy is not yet over. And there is the captaincy issue.
Meads only tilt at captaincy in tests was that failed Lions series if 1971.
But heck, today I’m not quibbling – both are true legends!
October 25th 2012 @ 7:51am
Riccardo said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Sir Richie as he will undoubtedly be known by then will be judged by history, irrespective of the next RWC. (God, I hope we have dispelled the chokes that seem to haunt us every four years.)
Stories will be told of his audacity which infuriated opponents, his length of tenure, his achievements, his ability to adapt his game and his courage as a leader.
Pinetree will always be a great, as will Michael Jones, Sean Fitzpatrick, Wilson Whineray, Kevin Skinner, Frank Bunce and numerous others but history will bestow the mantle of greatest ever on Sir Richie McCaw.
Great read Allanthus.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:11am
Justin2 said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Mccaw stood out for giving away penalties that ended up costing woodcock 10mins!
October 25th 2012 @ 2:49pm
Fromthesideline said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
Leave it out. Your comment is a pathetic addition which is not needed.
October 26th 2012 @ 4:37am
Jerry said | October 26th 2012 @ 4:37am | Report comment
McCaw was only penalised once in the entire match.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:21am
Uncle Argyle said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Meads or McCaw – harder to pick than a broken nose. It did leave me pondering who would be the best two players each major rugby playing nation could provide that could also lead to a Meads v McCaw style debate;
New Zealand – Colin Meads & Richie McCaw.
Australia – John Eales & Mark Ella
Argentina – Hugo Porta & Rolando Martin
South Africa – Frik De Preez & Brian Habana
England – Martin Johnson & Bill Beaumont
Scotland – Gavin Hastings & Gordon Brown
Ireland – Mike Gibson & Willie John McBride
Wales – Gareth Edwards & Barry John
France – Jean Pierre Rives & Philliepe Sella
Samoa – Michael Jones & Frank Bunce (Both All Blacks yet also played test rugby for Samoa)
Italy – Mauro Bergamasco & Diego Dominguez
Some food for thought.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:05am
Allanthus said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Uncle, a nice extension and definitely some tough calls in amongst that lot.
Can’t say i’d agree with Habana though, definitely too current and he did go through a lean patch. And (apologies to the religious among us) for mine there isn’t a more annoying sight in world rugby than him checking in with the big guy upstairs every time he scores a try…
October 25th 2012 @ 10:14am
Uncle Argyle said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
I think Habana has a superb record that demands attention. Sure this is not an exact science but compared to the likes of Englebrecht & Gainsford , Habana appears to offer much more. As for the religious thing, each unto their own for me. I like the fact Kevin Mealamu crosses himself every time he takes the pitch. It appears genuine and he is humble. I don’t like it when its used in a ‘show off’ type manner than some players appear to do so.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:33pm
Peepers said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
No Serge Blanco for France – interesting. The days of a chain smoking 15 are probably over, but the days of a 15 with finesse, speed and impeccable timing into the line will live on forever. He is one of the all time greats as far as I am concerned.
John Smit or Os Du Randt would also rate over Habana for me, Du Randt had longevity and two World Cups. Smit had longevity and leadership, unfortunately he held on too long and it took some of the gloss off. I would also rate Matfield over Habana – he was truly dominant in his position for an extended period.
October 25th 2012 @ 3:48pm
Allanthus said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Peepers, agree with Blanco over Sella. Absolute icon.
Uncle, thinking again about England, Johnson v Beaumont is a tough call, but i think i’d have Wilkinson over both of them. Obviously suffered from injuries affecting his longevity, but he took the game to another level in the UK, points record holder at the time, RWC hero etc…
…on second thoughts so is Steven Donald, so i guess RWC hero may not be the best measure
The other interesting sidelight is that Johnson of course did some of his development in the King Country, so no doubt a bit of the Meads aura rubbed off onto him.
October 25th 2012 @ 6:01pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:01pm | Report comment
Stephen Donald finds the ability to find touch and now he’s a World Cup hero?
October 25th 2012 @ 11:44pm
abnutta said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:44pm | Report comment
I’m gonna go Forward and Back
New Zealand – Richie McCaw & Bert Cooke
Australia – John Eales & Mark Ella
South Africa – Frik Du Preez & Tony Harris
England – Martin Johnson & Peter Jackson
Scotland – Ian ‘McLauchlan & Gavin Hastings
Ireland – Willie John McBride & Jackie Kyle
Wales – Mervyn Davies & Gareth Edwards
France – Jean Prat & Serge Blanco
October 25th 2012 @ 4:51pm
ohtani's jacket said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
Richie will go down as better than any Australian rugby player in history. That’s good enough for me.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:14pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:14pm | Report comment
Now, now, Daniel! You know what Tony Ward said in 1991, don’t you?
October 25th 2012 @ 5:14pm
atlas said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
thanks for the enjoyable article Allanthus; eras/generations apart and I won’t be picking any ‘best of’ players.
My late father always rated the teams in the years immediately after WWII, Fred Allen and co., not so much for their performances (I think NZ lost a lot in that era) but for their character, what them playing did for the country in bleak times, and for what many of them had been through either in person or through family connections. I think over half the squad to SA in 1949 had served in the armed forces.
Who’s best?
October 25th 2012 @ 5:51pm
Chris @ the Old Barbershop said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:51pm | Report comment
Great read mate.
I would happily cut a finger off if it meant that I could go back in time and watch Taumarunui Athletic vs Waitete at Taumarunui Domain No.2 ground.