Sonny Bill vs The Buffalo: Too much too soon?
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Some boxing insiders are scratching their heads at Sonny Bill’s next opponent, Francois ‘The White Buffalo’ Botha.
Sir Bob Jones, who is no fan of Sonny Bill’s boxing talents, finds the decision odd. Not because of Botha’s age but because of Botha’s vast experience, toughness and punching power.
Sir Bob is predicting Sonny Bill to struggle against Botha if it’s an honest fight. Botha is past his prime but he still has the goods to knock Sonny Bill into next week.
Sir Bob knows that Sonny Bill is making a massive step up in class and taking a huge risk when he goes toe to toe with Botha.
And this is why Sir Bob has his doubts about the fight.
Why would Khoder Nasser let Sonny Bill in the ring with Botha?
The progression of Sonny Bill so far has been a familiar road taken by most boxers whose management believe can fight for a world title in the future.
Sonny Bill’s last fight against Clarence Tillman, although mocked by many, was still a step up in class for Sonny Bill who is still in the very early stages of his career. The fight now against Botha just doesn’t make sense.
Even Botha, speaking on South African radio, says that Sonny Bill is not ready for his level just yet. Botha compared Sonny Bill to Flo Simba, who Botha knocked out last year.
Flo Simba was a good heavyweight prospect who rattled off nine KO’s and an UD in his first 10 fights.
The step up in class was too much for the young fighter and Botha knocked him out in the sixth round. Flo went on to lose three (all by KO) of his next four fights, all against fighters he was expected to beat.
Flo has now hung up his gloves indefinitely to concentrate on his studies.
So far in Japan, Sonny Bill hasn’t been doing much sparring. He’s just been getting his boxing conditioning sorted and is expected to begin the serious sparring when he returns to Australia next week to prepare for the fight on Nov 24.
Sonny Bill has said in a radio interview about the fight that the prospect of stepping in the ring with Botha is daunting and that he has nothing but respect for Botha and his achievements in the ring.
Sonny Bill also accepted that he was taking a huge risk against Botha but feels that taking risks always brings the best out of him.
I wonder how Sonny Bill is feeling about the risk now because since that interview was done, Tony Mundine has quit as Sonny Bill’s trainer because of the fallout between his son Anthony and Nasser.
Tony Mundine has said that he can’t be involved and is moving on. He wished Sonny Bill all the best but said that he had to back his son.
Anthony Mundine has said that he has no issue with Sonny Bill continuing his association with Nasser.
“We’re brothers, man,” Mundine said. “We’ll always be there for each other. Sometimes it’s hard in situations like this, My dad has done what any father would do for his son, as for Khoder, I don’t want to go there. I lost my trust in him.”
So now just under a month before the biggest fight of Sonny Bill’s career, he’s lost his trainer. Word is Jeff Fenech may be interested but regardless of who trains Sonny Bill, the whole Mundine-Nasser fallout would be a huge distraction.
Yesterday David Lord wrote about how talented Sonny Bill was, however I believe he left out one of the traits that Sonny Bill has that makes him special: courage. Taking on Botha this early in his career is almost insane.
Actually, it is insane.
I’m a Sonny Bill supporter and I know that he’s got the talent to do very well in boxing eventually, but not next month.
If he beats Botha, I believe given his background story, this would be Sonny Bill’s greatest sporting achievement to date.
Come November 24 we’ll all find out.
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October 25th 2012 @ 8:33am
David said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Ok im still not buying it. Yes this guy has fought some top opponents and im sure he is a very skilled athlete it alot of aspects BUT… he’s old and he’s fat and slow. He’s lost 4 of the past 5 fights. BOTHA WILL LOSE.
But, i think this is good for publicity for SBW in south africa, because they love him over there. This will probably be bothas last fight and then the south african people will follow SBW on the world stage as will Aus and NZ.
This is a definite win for sonny bill. No way in living hell he will lose. No way. The foot has spoken.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:33pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
Thats cool David,
The old, fat, and slow comment is relative. To a genuine world class boxer that would probably be on the money. To a rookie like SBW, probably not so much.
When SBW was preparing for Tillman he did some sparring with Michael Kirby a solid Australian HW. Kirby’s been beaten by genuine Australian HW’s but has also taken recently taken out the Australian HW title vacated by Lucas Browne.
During the Lucas Browne v Colin Wilson fight in Feb this year Michael Kirby was asked how his sparring went with SBW. And his comments were that SBW was very atheletic and had the talent BUT Kirby said that he found it easy to catch SBW with the overhand right during the sparring. He said he caught SBW a few times and he (Kirby) wasn’t even in good shape. Also he said that ring that they sparred in was really big so that SBW had plenty of room to move.
This to me as a SBW fan is a huge worry. If you watch SBW spar, his stance is that he keeps his right hand up for the jab and his left hand quite low. I’m certain that he would know that using that stance opens you up for the overhand right, but he seems to believe that he can either roll or evade the overhand right. As Kirby explained SBW still hasn’t got that evading technique down pat just yet.
Now Botha would know this and he wouldn’t think twice about going into the pocket to throw the overhand right. SBW would feel that his jab should keep Botha at bay but I can’t see Botha worrying about getting tagged by SBW so I believe SBW will be spending alot of time back pedalling.
This, then leads into another problem I feel that SBW has at the moment, and thats his footwork going backwards. This is a really hard technique to master because it involves unnatural movements to do it correctly. When going backwards it’s critically important to pick up your back foot first, because if you get hit while walking backwards the natural way (thats picking up your front foot first) this often leads to getting KTFO. Learning to make this unnatural motion feel natural takes a great deal of practice.
Another thing that SBW will have to think about is that going backwards itself is not really the problem. It’s going straight back thats the issue. He will need to be able to change his angles while retreating and move away from the overhand right. That means moving towards his right but he has to be careful coz if Botha guesses or anticipates correctly and has SBW in a bad spot in the ring (as in he set the trap for SBW through his superior ringcraft knowledge) then SBW could be in for a left hook or a vicious left rip to the body which would almost certainly be the beginning of the end.
This is a very real scenario that could happen because Botha would not be scared of walking straight through SBW’s jabs and puches. So SBW will have to deal with the Buffalo onslaught and still keep his wits about him to survive or win.
I’m hoping that Botha underestimates SBW like Tillman did (Tillman survived against Lucas Browne who has scarey KO power so he would have not given SBW much chance of KOing him) and the SBW surprises us all with how much he’s improved as a boxer to get a win. I’m not worried about a KO win or anything, just win or a ‘good’ loss without getting injured..
October 25th 2012 @ 3:04pm
Dushi said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
I really hope this is a good genuine fight. I haven’t seen any of bothas recent fights so i don’t know how slow he actually is. i can guarantee he’s not that fit. Sonny bill can probably run around him for 12 rounds if he needs to and score points with long jabs to the body.
I will be watching and hoping sonny wins, but i still don’t see this as a real fight. When someone steps into the ring who’s huge and is as ripped as SBW, now that’ll be a fight.
Im really happy the fight is happening though… great publicity, and can’t wait to see what opponents SBW will face after smashing botha!
October 25th 2012 @ 3:24pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
Dushi,
I know that this will sound weird but being really ripped in the fight game is not as big an advantage as it seems.
Being very muscular actually requires the body to produce more oxygen to feed the muscles during a fight, which normally ‘gasses’ out the muscular fighter.
You can be less muscular and still have a stronger punch than a very muscular fighter. Its abit like cricket and golf in that Gilchrist and Garcia could probably hit the cricket and golf ball out of the park but will struggle on the bench press. its all about timing and technique.
Also generally being less muscular helps with your cardio. Don’t confuse this with having no muscles and walking around with a gut. Your body still has to carry that gut around and you will probably gas just as fast if not faster than the muscle bound fighter..
October 25th 2012 @ 4:44pm
Dushi said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
umm.. just about every legendary boxer is ripped. And don’t try come back with “well butterbean wasn’t”.
Ali, Tyson, Lews, Tszyu, De la hoya, man i could go on and on… none of em…. fat
October 25th 2012 @ 5:22pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:22pm | Report comment
Dushi
I don’t consider Ali, Lewis, Tszyu, DLH or even the Pac Man & Floyd ripped. They are fit but I don’t think they’re ripped.
Tyson was built like a bulldog but his fights didn’t tend to last that long.
Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno, Evander Holyfield I consider ripped.
You ask any boxing or MMA trainer about the muscle man theory and they’ll all tell you the same thing. ..
LOL.Butterbean..Nice One !!
October 25th 2012 @ 5:26pm
macka said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
That’s pretty darn detailed analysis of what SBW has to do & avoid. I reckon you should put your hand up to replace tony.
I too wish for a SBW victory, but i just can’t imagine how that is going to happen at all. Botha’s last fight was against an Italian who is
1.Bigger than SBW
2.Had 29 fights
3.Never lost even 1 of those figts
However, Botha still managed to go all the way with him & only lose on points. & i read that Botha was way more out of shape for that fight compared to what he will be for SBW!!! I read that even Nasser was against this fight, but SBW was adamant.
So now i ask, how can SBW stand even 1% chance against Botha? Either SBW is
1.much better than what we are lead to believe,
2.is reckless,
3.has succumbed to the pressure of people who want him to take on serious opposition,
4.is deluded about his own capabilities.
5.Is a very fast learner, who backs his ability to get the job done – which wouldn’t surprise me with all his past success
In no way do i believe the fight will be rigged, neither SBW nor Botha would want that or need that.
But if SBW does indeed win convincingly then all i can say is i will have a new level of admiration for the bloke.
October 25th 2012 @ 5:34pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
LOL. Thanks macka,
That analysis is spoken by one who has indeed copped plenty of overhand rights while retreating front foot first straight back !!
Oh the amount of times the trainer would yell and just shake his head LOL..
October 25th 2012 @ 8:34am
Mals said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Good piece Damien. Plenty of people have been focusing on Botha’s age to discredit him rather than looking at his vast experience in the ring & the quality of the boxers he has fought over a long career.
SBW could be in big trouble, I guess we’ll soon find out if he can take a punch.
October 26th 2012 @ 11:42am
CBDoggz4lyfe said | October 26th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
true that, the last thing to go on a good fighter is his punch, Botha was never known for being anything but a brawler even had a few K1/MMA fights!if he can get one good shot off, doesnt matter how young or old, when it lands (eg George Foreman v Michael Moorer) you’re going down. I have not seen anything in SBW that really warrants being considered anything other than a professional athlete dabbling in a few sports other than his/her own specialty. I love the guy and wish him the best but may have bitten off more than he can chew
October 26th 2012 @ 6:41pm
The Great G Nepia said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
100% agree. Botha may be over the hill and overweight, but pro boxing at this level is not all about ripped muscles and aerobic fitness. It’s about having strong ribs and anding one punch.
October 26th 2012 @ 6:43pm
The Great G Nepia said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:43pm | Report comment
SBW is going to get his ar*&% kicked, no two ways about it. One punch and botha will knock him on to the mat.
October 26th 2012 @ 6:51pm
The Great G Nepia said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
Having said the above, I;ve just seen Botha on Youtube being knocked out a few times. Doesn’t look good. More like “White Fluffy Teddy Buffalo”.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:44am
eagleJack said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Nice read Damien.
This is certainly a very difficult proposition for SBW. Even some close to him have their reservations. I personally worry that he is only doing this to appease the many, many critics (read couch surfers) out there who think that his boxing is a “sideshow” and he only fights hacks. Those same people fail to realise that champion boxers such as Wladamir Klitschko (who has fought Botha) had 140 amateur fights before turning pro. And once pro still fought many journeymen for his first dozen or more fights. That is boxing. Not every fight is a World Title fight. SBW fought (and destroyed) Tillman, as you say a clear step up in class, in only his 5th time in the ring. 5TH. TIME. EVER.
The guy certainly has talent. I just hope this next fight isn’t a bridge too far.
The simple truth is SBW wants to turn to boxing full-time in the near future. Gradually ramp up the quality, and number, of fights so by 2017 it is his sole focus.
In the meantime he has a bit of NRL and another RWC to attend to.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:55am
Rob said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Sounds like dribble coming from the SBW camp trying to dispel what everyone knows in that SBW is not a legitimate boxer. He fights bums 2x his age, 1/3 his muscle and. 8x his body fat. Come back when he fights a boxer in their prime, as he currently is.
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October 25th 2012 @ 11:14am
eagleJack said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
He is not a legitimate boxer. Not yet anyway. He is a rugby star who wants to eventually move into boxing full-time. This takes time.
You are exactly one of the couch surfers I was referring to. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. But geez Rob it would be great if you could keep yours to yourself.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm
Chris @ the Old Barbershop said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
I would imagine that since SBW is not a legitimate boxer then most of the money he makes from boxing would come from fans who are couch surfers. So any banter or opinion on the fight and fighters from couch surfers good or bad is promoting the fight is it not eagle genius?
October 25th 2012 @ 1:39pm
eagleJack said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
I’ll leave the promotion of the fight to Khoder. But yes, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
I just get tired of people expecting somebody to step into the ring with a current Heavyweight champion or the like after 5 bouts.
Botha would be close to the toughest opponent anybody has taken on so early in their career.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:04am
Atawhai Drive said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Boxing descended into farce some time ago and now has all the credibility of pro wrestling.
SBW press agent Dodgy Danny will keep the spin ticking over in the Sun-Herald and in Channel 9 news reports. We don’t need it in The Roar.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:11am
steve b said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
I can”t believe SBW camp is allowing this fight to go ahead .This guy can hit and has so much more ring experience than SB ,yes he is an older guy and hopefully not to fit or SB could find himself sat on his arse for the first time , not a fiighter i would have chosen for an up and comer .
October 25th 2012 @ 11:16am
Dushi said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
I do believe that considering SBW has only had 5 professional fights that it is the natural progression of boxing to start at the bottom and work your way to the top.
With that being said…
Don’t treat this as if it’s a major fight because it just isnt. SBW will win and there’s not even 1% of doubt about it.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:33pm
Mals said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
I hope SBW doesn’t suffer from your over-confidence!
October 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm
steve b said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Dushi the natural progression of a boxer is to step slowly and to fight other fighters with around the same record 5 fights , not a bloke who has recently retired a fighter by the name of Flo Simba who had ten knockouts on his record .Your way of the mark if you think this is not a major stepup for SBW ..Botha has had 48 wins 8 losses and has knocked out 29 of his opponents and has been in the ring with the best ,Lewis , Tyson ,Holyfeild .. This guy has power ringcraft and can take a punch yes he might be 44 yrs old but he wiped the floor with Simba who was 21 . This is a dangerous fight for SBW and will be his toughest outing yet . And as old mate said on the movie the Castle if you think their is not 1%chance of SBW losing your Dreamin …
October 25th 2012 @ 2:32pm
Dushi said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
yes he fought tyson.. bla bla.. we already know… 13 YEARS AGO!
Sonny Bill’s team is hand picking opponents at the moment. Botha is getting a massive pay day through SBW not the other way around. And i doubt sonny’s team would put him in a situation where he is in serious danger of losing, although i may be wrong and i hope botha proves me wrong, BUT i don’t think i am.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:15pm
The Grafter said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Drop the adulation Damian. The blokes name is Sonny Bill Williams, then refered to as all people should by his surname, Williams when writing about him. You have written 21 times this blokes first name. He is a sportsman, and a very good one.Hes not a martyr or, or somebody who have found a cure for cancer.
Now I have that off my chest, Ive thought what Bob Jones has over the past month. Knowing Bob (Australasias Bert Sugar), his opinion has to be listened to. Initally this fight was scheduled in South Africa. Maybe Botha doesnt draw now. If its serious, the South African wins, and wins quickly. If hes been ‘nobbled’, Williams stops him mid rounds.
October 25th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Hi Grafter,
I was wondering what you’d say about the article.
Thankfully you haven’t really gotten stuck into me. I can live with the naming issue. You’ll get no arguement from me about SBW not being a martyr etc. At least we can agree on that.
On the naming issue I thought that Sonny Bill Williams was too long to read and normally prefer SBW. Williams just doesn’t seem right to me even though it should. I went to a Catholic Boarding school where we all got called by our surname. Then I figured that since I used Sonny Bill in the title I needed some consistency and also Ryan O’Connel used ‘Sonny Bill’ in one of his articles so well thats just how it turned out. I didn’t like using his name as much as I needed to coz I prefered to use ‘he’ or ‘his’ but then when reading it through I thought that readers might confuse which ‘he’ I was referrig to as in most sentences there was SBW and someone else.
As for the fight not being in SA that was unfortunate. Apparently they had everything booked and ready to go then the SA side didn’t front up with the required cash in time. Botha was disappointed as well but said that the SA side should have paid up but since they didn’t he understood the reasoning behind the move.
Botha has never been a draw in SA unfortunately for some unknown reason so in his early career he had to move to the US to get fights. This was said by the SA sports announcer Darren Scott on Ballz Radio. Botha is actually down as residing in California.
Well its good also to see that we agree on Botha being a very risky step up for SBW. I knew that you wouldn’t do the old, fat, slow etc etc line as you probably know abit more about the how sport goes.
The original title was meant to be ‘Sonny Bill v The Buffalo ; Is The Fix On ?’ but then thought against it becasue I thought it was abit of a cheap shot even though it probably would have been more spicey.
Like everyone else I had no idea that the Storm & the Doggies rorted the cap something bad, that Armstrong was doping, that Usain Bolt is clean ? Is he ? I hope so coz he hangs around with alot of drug sheats. etc. So I suppose it’s no real suprise that SBW’s fight is treated as suspicious by some. Mind you thats what you thought about SBW’s last fight as well, which must mean that you didn’t disregard Tillman as much as the non boxing fans.
Well I wish I had a 100% accurate answer for you but I don’t to be honest. And until i read a USADA type ‘expose’ on fight rigging by SBW then I’ll be giving both fighters the benefit of the doubt. I know that there are people out there that unless they see a USADA type ‘expose’ that says that SBW fights honestly, then they will always think that SBW is guilty of fixing fights. Thats cool. Everyone has different opnions and thankfully The Roar gives us all a platform to air them..
October 25th 2012 @ 3:43pm
The Grafter said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Ah the fight game is full of it Damian. Probably the worst of all sports unfortunately. So easy to fall over (cue in Jones Jr and Briggs), or have the trainer throw in the towel……..It happens around the world, including plenty of fights here in Australia.
The Tillman fight could of been promising, until I saw the bloke had about 4 x the bust of Mrs Grafter!! There are 3-4 heavyweights in NZ that would go through Williams (one of whom is fighting next month here), so yes, that fight was a non event. The others are Tua (that would be messy, and yes he is back in training, Chancy Welliver, and Cameron. Include Australian based NZers Meeham, Wilson), and those named which is why the Tillman (An American as is Welliver however he has resided there for over ten years) ‘fight’ was a circus. A money-earner at the expense of the toughest sport there is, which is what this is likely to be.
November 23 in Brisbane, Australian lightweight champion Brett W Smith is fighting a Japanese boxer. Who is the media going to focus on? In saying that Botha is no slouch. Lewis, Tyson and the Ukraine are past opponents.
Exactly right re opinions. Similar to you, I did my time in the services and used to get pissed off with the last name thing, particularly by blokes younger
October 25th 2012 @ 5:11pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
Whoa Grafter,
You reckon Jones Jnr took a dive against Green ? Wow. I actually thought Green hit him behind the head but then just passed it off as unlucky for Jones Jnr. Briggs was a mess and I thought he shouldn’t have even been allowed to fight rather than Briggs just taking a dive. Anyway lets just move on.
I’m really looking forward to Cameron v Green but am not sure if Cameron had dropped too much. I think Cameron loses more power than he loses weight if you know what I mean.
I’m not even going to go there with Tua and Cameron v SBW just yet but I’d put somebody elses money (I don’t gamble..with my own money anyway) on SBW getting past Welliver and Wilson. Well if not winning but a close loss to those guys. Meeham not just yet.
Don’t want to start anything just stating a slightly biased opnion..LOL.
As for Smith, it’s that unfortunate thing on boxing about profile.
When Nadar Hamdam retired early this month he said “I spent the first eight years of my career not saying a word, I got to No.2 in the world and nobody knew me,” said Hamdan (43-10-1, 18KO).
“So I started playing the bad guy, and all of a sudden I get lots of publicity, and people challenging me saying they want to beat me on behalf of the Australian public. I got a lot of notoriety, I got a world title shot out of trash-talking.”
I’ll be honest and say that I actually don’t mind Hamdam but it’s unfortunate that he had to resort to being a dickhead to get his profile up.
I suppose SBW is lucky in that sense in that his footballing talents has given him a really huge profile in Oz, NZ, and SA. So luckily for SBW he doesn’t need to trash talk other people. He just acts naturally and does his thing.
During his radio interview with Ballz Radio the announcer gave him plenty of opportunity to do some trash talking by baiting him (in a non threatning way) but SBW was nothing but respectful of Botha’s achievements.
Also Darren Star made a quip about SBW must beat the hell out of ‘those little Japanese guys’ (as a joke) during sparring and the other hosts all laughed and it would have been easy for SBW to join in on the joke. (If you see how SBW is with some of the NZ media you’ll know that he fancies himself as abit of a joker with Ma’a Nonu). But SBW didn’t join in on the laugh coz he knew that would have been abit disrespectful to the people who have welcomed him into their community. He disregarded the joke and spoke naturally.
If SBW had no profile at all would he be shooting his mouth off like Mundine, Hamdan and Co. I’d like to think he still would be the same person but I guess we’ll never know.
Anyway Grafter the SBW fight is in Brissy Nov 24 and I’m really tempted to go. The Entertainment Centre is about 5 – 10 minutes from my place. But call me a fan of little faith but I actually think SBW will struggle and I’d rather part with $50 and be able to change the channel than part with maybe $200 (not sure on ringside prices) and sit there and possibly see SBW take a beating live LOL..
October 25th 2012 @ 7:54pm
The Grafter said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:54pm | Report comment
I tend to blame the Australian media Damian. Look at Kastidis. Moved to Vegas in 05, fought anyone they put him against. What was the media here doing? having a lovathon with Green and Mundine. Kastidis is held in HIGH esteem in the US, even after losing 4 of his last five. Ditto UK (The Earl fight had Earls camp throwing the towel and the ref kicking it back out). Mick is currently here on the Coast training.
Mundine had had every fight on PPV. Something not quite right there with Williams going down a similar path (at least Mundine could fight 4-5 years ago).
Yes mate, I do think that about Jones. First fight outsiide the US since Seoul and he falls over. There is rumours within the fight game……..Briggs is a mess these days. Shouldnt of been allowed to fight, but Danny knew that.
Cameron losses plenty dropping to cruiser. Green should win.
Col Wilson would do Williams Damian, even with his crook knee.
Yup Hamdan is ok. A tough buggar with a big heart. Showed that throughout his career.
I hear what your saying re playing it up. Think it goes back to Georgoeus George in the 50′s?
Ill be at the Mansfield 23rd supporting Brett Smith, then going to local Sat dependant on the card. Perhaps we should be talking about Gallen vs Hika Elliot, Carlos Spencer vs Jarad McCraken, Troy Flavell vs Willie Mason or Rene Ranger v Greg Bird in Auckland during December zzzzzzzz.
October 25th 2012 @ 8:38pm
Damien said | October 25th 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
The fighters profile/media thing is a complicated beast I hear. And i suppose it is what it is.
SBW and the PPV is an easy one for mine. Mundine set the foundations with his fights years ago and SBW’s riding that wave. I’m talking contacts wise. Main Event wouldn’t do it if it didn’t make money and there’s no need to go into the whole SBW marketing machine thing.
I got really sad when I saw Kastidis’s last fights. Some guys just have too much heart, and its really sad to see.
I might make it to the Mansfield on the 23rd. Thats my ole stomping ground. Hopefully we bump into each other so I can buy you a drink and talk abit of the sweet science. I’m not as knowledgeable as you and Steve but I think it would be great to listen to some ole timers LOL.
And about the Fight for Life card. Well Lonergan has no right to bag Nasser and SBW about their fights, if this is what he constantly dishes up. Just quietly I’m really keen to see how some of these tough guys go LOL..
October 25th 2012 @ 3:51pm
cantab said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
I know nothing about boxing, or this bloke he’s fighting, but I do know business. I also know that $BW’s business team wouldn’t stick him in the ring unless they thought it was going to be a cake walk. Very interesting that the people in the know (like yourself) think $BW will struggle. I’ve never watched a boxing match before, but I might go out of my way to watch this one.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:46pm
Dushi said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:46pm | Report comment
YES CANTAB! i’ve said the same thing and everyone is like “nah it’s a real fight”… pffft. It’ll be fun to watch don’t get me wrong and ill be cheering and everything but it’s still not a real genuine fight.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:53pm
steve b said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
G,Day Grafter your not suggesting Botha takes a dive are you mate . cheers
October 25th 2012 @ 4:34pm
The Grafter said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
Gday Steve,
Botha should hammer Williams if its a genuine fight.
Not sure if its going to be……………………………….
October 25th 2012 @ 5:11pm
steve b said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
I agree mate , somdthing fishy going on here , especially if Williams wins