Wallabies captain Nathan Sharpe is congratulated by coach Robbie Deans. AP Image/Dave Hunt
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The Wallabies squad of 30 for the upcoming Spring Tour for 2012 has been announced, with Nathan Sharpe named skipper of the of the 30-man party which will tour France, Italy and the United Kingdom
David Pocock and Stephen Moore have been named in the squad as they return from injury.
Just one uncapped played is in the side, NSW Waratahs prop Paddy Ryan.
Seven first-year Wallabies have been included in the touring group, with Queensland Reds hooker James Hanson, who made his Test debut during last weekend’s 18-18 draw against New Zealand in Brisbane, winning the third hooking berth ahead of his injured team-mate Saia Fainga’a, who broke a bone in his hand at training in the lead-up to that match.
While Fainga’a was on track to recover in time for the Spring Tour, Wallabies coach Robbie Deans says that Hanson’s recent game-time, which includes both his Test debut and significant game-time at club level for Queensland University helped to win him the nod.
The fact that Moore is returning after an injury break, having not played since the Bledisloe Cup Test in Auckland on August 25, also played a part in this decision.
“We had to have absolute certainty around at least two of our hookers,” said Deans.
“With Stephen also coming off a period out of the game, we couldn’t afford to head away having potential concerns around two of our three hookers.”
Although neither Pocock (knee) or Moore (hamstring) have recent match fitness behind them, Deans says both have proved their readiness to tour.
“As well as being proven Test performers with valuable experience in the conditions that we will face on this tour, both also provide a significant leadership element which will add to what is still a relatively young group.”
Scott Higginbotham has been left out, and remains on stand-by.
“We’ve taken the same approach as we have around the hookers,” said Deans.
“To have included Scott within the 30 would have created an additional challenge in terms of selection for the opening two matches which would have compromised the group. Scott was aware once he was suspended that this was a possibility.”
Berrick Barnes returns to the side, recovering from a lung injury suffered in South Africa, while Sekope Kepu and Sitaleki Timani are also included after the injuries they sustained last weekend in Brisbane proved less significant than was initially feared.
The squad features an 18-forward, 12-back split, with five props selected to cater for the new arrangements regarding front-row substitutes which requires two props to be included on an eight-man Test reserves bench.
The Wallabies squad assembles in Sydney on Wednesday, and will attend the John Eales Medal presentation at the Sydney Convention Centre the following evening before departing for France on Saturday November 3.
The Wallabies squad for the 2012 Spring Tour is:
| Player | Position | State | Age | Appearances |
| Ben Alexander | Prop | Brumbies | 27 | 45 |
| Adam Ashley-Cooper | Fullback-Wing-Midfield | NSW Waratahs | 28 | 73 |
| Berrick Barnes | Flyhalf/Inside Centre | NSW Waratahs | 26 | 46 |
| Kurtley Beale | Flyhalf/Fullback | Melbourne Rebels | 23 | 32 |
| Nick Cummins | Wing | Western Force | 25 | 2 |
| Dave Dennis | Loose Forward | NSW Waratahs | 26 | 11 |
| Kane Douglas | Lock | NSW Waratahs | 23 | 4 |
| Anthony Fainga’a | Centre | Queensland Reds | 25 | 23 |
| Liam Gill | Flanker | Queensland Reds | 20 | 6 |
| James Hanson | Hooker | Queensland Reds | 24 | 1 |
| Mike Harris | Fullback/Inside Centre/Flyhalf | Queensland Reds | 24 | 6 |
| Michael Hooper | Flanker | NSW Waratahs | 20 | 9 |
| Digby Ioane | Wing | Queensland Reds | 27 | 31 |
| Sekope Kepu | Prop | NSW Waratahs | 26 | 18 |
| Pat McCabe | Inside Centre | Brumbies | 24 | 18 |
| Drew Mitchell | Wing | NSW Waratahs | 28 | 60 |
| Stephen Moore | Hooker | Brumbies | 29 | 72 |
| Wycliff Palu | No 8 | NSW Waratahs | 30 | 42 |
| Nick Phipps | Halfback | Melbourne Rebels | 23 | 8 |
| David Pocock | Flanker | Brumbies | 24 | 45 |
| Tatafu Polota-Nau | Hooker | NSW Waratahs | 27 | 41 |
| Benn Robinson | Prop | NSW Waratahs | 28 | 52 |
| Paddy Ryan | Prop | NSW Waratahs | 24 | Uncapped |
| Radike Samo | Loose Forward | Queensland Reds | 36 | 22 |
| Nathan Sharpe (c) | Lock | Western Force | 34 | 112 |
| Brett Sheehan | Halfback | Western Force | 33 | 6 |
| Rob Simmons | Lock | Queensland Reds | 23 | 22 |
| James Slipper | Prop | Queensland Reds | 23 | 30 |
| Ben Tapuai | Centre | Queensland Reds | 23 | 3 |
| Sitaleki Timani | Lock | NSW Waratahs | 26 | 8 |
Spring Tour Fixtures (all times in AEDT):
| 11 Nov 2012 | 7.00am | France v Wallabies | Stade de France, Paris |
| 18 Nov 2012 | 1.30am | England v Wallabies | Twickenham, London |
| 25 Nov 2012 | 1.00am | Italy v Wallabies | Stade Artemio, Florence |
| 2 Dec 2012 | 1.30am | Wales v Wallabies | Millenium Stadium, Cardiff |
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October 25th 2012 @ 9:28am
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
good to see hanson included. I think he is the best of the rest after moore and TPN.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:57am
Elisha Pearce said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Looks like Deans has been smart about the hooker situation. The way they’ve played that is with the inverse amount of intelligence shown with the 7 jersey on the WC squad.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:59am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
The loose forward balance in this squad is questionable too: Pocock, Hooper, Gill, Dennis, Samo and Palu. Not taking Mowen is a mistake.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:08am
eagleJack said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
So drop Samo for Mowen? Im guessing he may have been a shot if not for the extra prop rotation.
I’m still shaking my head at Higgers’ brain snap.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:20am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
As good as they all are, there just isn’t room for Pocock and Hooper and Gill in one side. If Gill keeps growing and ends up 6’4” or so (he’s currently 6’1”) he’ll make a good blindside, but for now (unfortunately) he has to miss out in my opinion.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:43am
jameswm said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Keeps growing? How old is he?
October 25th 2012 @ 10:53am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Born June 92 so … 20. It is unlikely but he might have a couple of inches of height left in him.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:34pm
Rugby Tragic said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
RK, agree with you about Gill being groomed for a No 6. He has the speed and ability to challenge Hooper for open side at the moment but the kid has grown quite a bit over the last 12 months as well as bulked up according to information I have from one of his coaches. He was impressive for the Reds and did a pretty good fist of leading the under 20′s at their world cup in SA.
Touted by many to be a future Wallabies Captain so many obviously see good things from this young man in the future.
The one who worries me is David Pocock. The guy has been great for the Wallabies and I think that is acknowledged but his untimely injury allowed the irrepressible Hooper to show his stuff… and that stuff was pretty good. How Pocock fits into the mix as a flanker now is going to be most interesting.
October 25th 2012 @ 3:41pm
Wilson said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
I have always objected to players using the Wallabies jersey to get match fitness. I think it is a mistake to take a freshly rehabbed but not 100% Pocock on tour. It is a poisition that seems to be adequately catered for presently. Leave him home to be 100% for the super season.
We don’t need another Rocky playing into fitness during tests. Disrespectful to peers and to the jersey.
October 26th 2012 @ 9:01am
sheek said | October 26th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Red Kev,
It’s already possible Deans might be considering one of his opensiders as a blindsider. Pocock?
October 26th 2012 @ 7:04pm
Bakkies said | October 26th 2012 @ 7:04pm | Report comment
3 inches is a lot to gain in height at 20. You are talking 7.5cms in proper measurements. If Gill is going to play at blindside we need him as a lineout forward. Whether he will be tall enough is the question.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:02am
Amateur Hour said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Agreed!!
I’m sorry , but Dave Dennis is the new Ben McCalman.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:32am
Brett McKay said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Qlders – is Ben Lucas still injured??
October 25th 2012 @ 9:41am
formeropenside said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Probably not, but has not played a match either – I think he only just missed the Brisbane Premier Rugby final, or at best played off the bench.
I know actual match fitnes is not a KPI if Deans loves you, but seeing as I dont think a half-fit Mitchell should have been picked, I wont criticse Deans for not picking a player who is not yet fully fit.
I can only assume Shipperley is not fit to travel, and perhaps Morahan also.
Still, at least that means they can all get a good pre-season in for the Reds.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:42am
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Shipperly had surgery on his wrist didnt he? and what was the news about morohan’s knee injury that he got during the gold coast 7′s, was it serious?
October 25th 2012 @ 9:42am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Ben Lucas had a broken ankle, I imagine he’d be walking and doing some training again by now but no way he’d be match fit. He definitely missed the Brisbane Premier Rugby final for Sunnybank.
Shipperley was having surgery on his wrist to ensure he was ready for the 2013 Super Rugby season – Deans came out saying he wasn’t going to ask him to delay it for the EOYT.
Morahan did a knee at the Sevens – the only news coverage I saw of that was that he was “sent for scans”, I never heard anything about the outcome, not even what the actual injury was.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:25am
formeropenside said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
it was only a short term injury, 3 or 4 weeks I thought.
October 26th 2012 @ 7:05pm
Bakkies said | October 26th 2012 @ 7:05pm | Report comment
would he be running at training after that though?
October 25th 2012 @ 9:35am
Goldenbull said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Please deans, if Barnes has to be in the team please put him on the bench.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:39am
Goldenbull said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Whats sad is that there is 12 Nsw players in this 30 and only 2 brumbies. Why does someone like Mitchell make it who is past his best, out of form and game fitness while we have a promissing player like mogg not in the team?
October 25th 2012 @ 10:25am
jameswm said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:25am | Report comment
I was waiting for someone to whinge about that. It’s 4 Brumbies actually.
Nic White, Dan Palmer, Joe Tomane and Christian Leali’ifano are all injured. I thik Vaea should be there. Who are the Brumbies back 3?
I can’t think of any Brumbies who are unlucky. And I’m struggling to find Waratahs who are lucky.
Barnes in some people’s opinion, but Cooper and JOC are injured. MItchell maybe, but Shipperley is injured. Could have been close between Greg Holmes and Paddy Ryan, but they play different sides (and Ryan is in because Dan Palmer’s injured). I’d have Holmes ahead of Slipper on the LH side.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:43am
SW said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
The Brums back 3 is Tomane, Mogg, and Speight.
Goldenbull’s point is that Mogg is unlucky to miss out, and injury prone / half fit Drew Mitchell being very lucky to be included. Specially since he has done nothing for the last 12 months, and played for Tahs. Who are shite.
When Speight is eligible next year, he should also be given a go.
October 26th 2012 @ 7:08pm
Bakkies said | October 26th 2012 @ 7:08pm | Report comment
Mogg was in the June international training squad for about 2 days and was left out. We don’t have midweek matches and rankings points are vital with the RWC due in December it wasn’t the tour to take rookies on (which we have done in the past). Auelua would offer huge impact off the bench. Covers back row and centres. Anyone who has seen him play in the centres would know what I am talking about.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:59am
jeznez said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
james the Brumbies back three are Mogg – probably rightfully left out, Tomane – injured and Speight not eligible.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Jiggles said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Mogg could be good, but his defense is very suspect. If he sorts that out he’d be given a shot.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:00pm
jameswm said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
I don’t see how you can call Drew Mitchell injury prone for that shocking one he copped courtesy of Higginbotham.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Mike said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Higgers thought he saw Richie in the stands. He was just trying to get to him…
October 25th 2012 @ 3:08pm
formeropenside said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Its the injuries since then that give the game away.
October 25th 2012 @ 3:41pm
SW said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Mitchell has had several injuries over the last 12 months starting with ankle, courtesy of Higgers. Don’t get me wrong Mitchell is one of the best wingers we’ve got when he’s fit and in form. But the point is; he isn’t right now. So why not take someone fit and raring to go like Mogg, who is showing massive potential ??
October 25th 2012 @ 4:09pm
Jiggles said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
I think you NSW folk and ‘Jurnos’ like Spiro, Lord and Dwyer need to get over Higginbotham and that injury. It’s a bit pathetic. That stuff happens many times in every game. Maybe Mitchell should’ve been more aware.
Anyway its the injuries since as FOS mentioned below. He has had chronic issues with his hamstring and once that stuff starts It just doesn’t go away. Ask Hynes and Elsom.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:43pm
golden bull said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
I have to admit I think Mitchell is an amzing player and for mine he is one of the best wingers in the world when fit and in form but thats clearly not the case right now. Why not give Mogg a go.
Mogg offers more right now than Mitchell, who looks out of shape.
October 26th 2012 @ 11:59am
SW said | October 26th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Jiggle – settle down champ. All either of us said was ‘courtesy of Higgers’, which is technically true. We didn’t say it wasn’t part and parcel of the game. I not a tahs or spiro fan. I am a Brums fan. You’re being an overly defensive reds fan, who can’t handle anyone insinuating anything negative about a reds player. Pathetic to say the least.
October 26th 2012 @ 3:11pm
Jiggles said | October 26th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Higgers isn’t a Red, he is a Rebel. And the attacks on him regarding what happened to Mitchell over 18 months ago are a little pathetic.
October 26th 2012 @ 4:01pm
SW said | October 26th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
Mate you’ve got odd definition of ‘attacks’. Harden up buddy
October 25th 2012 @ 6:51pm
Mantis said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:51pm | Report comment
Speaking of Brumbies why has Sam Carter or Scott Fardys names not been brought up this year? I thought they were two of the Brumbies best this year, but their names havent been brought up at all in terms of Wallabies. I’d definately rather both of them then Timani
October 26th 2012 @ 6:48am
Max Power said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Fardy had shoulder surgery at the end of the Super season so I doubt he would be fit to tour. Don’t know about Carter.
October 26th 2012 @ 2:55pm
jeznez said | October 26th 2012 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Carter needs to find about ten kilos and start pushing in scrums. He is a good lineout target and mobile but wesk in contact – would be Rob Simmons mark 2 at the moment. He is young and to me looks like he will fill out so I have fingers crossed that he could grow into the four jumper.
October 26th 2012 @ 7:12pm
Bakkies said | October 26th 2012 @ 7:12pm | Report comment
Our lineout is stuffed if Horwill can’t get fit next year and Deans picks Timani and Simmons in the row. Timani for his height is useless in the lineout. We can’t afford that in the lineout with Richie Gray being an option for the Lions. Gray is easily the best lineout lock in Europe at the moment. Wyn Jones, O’Connell, Donnacha Ryan, Parling are other options they have and they are much better then any lineout lock in Australia at the moment.
Fardy like Nic White probably chose to have surgery as he knew he wouldn’t get selected for the tests this season.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:44am
formeropenside said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
No mid-week games?
October 25th 2012 @ 9:45am
eagleJack said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
No surprises. Hopefully we can rip in.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:49am
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Is tomane still injured?
October 25th 2012 @ 9:51am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Tomane was praying to be ready for the EOYT but that would have been 2 weeks earlier than the inital prognosis for recovery; I’d say it is more likely his recovery is behind schedule than ahead of it.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:45pm
golden bull said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
what is his injury do you know? would love to see him play!
October 25th 2012 @ 10:12am
Worlds Biggest said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I take it Dan Palmer is still injured ? I would have liked to have seen a bolter like Pyle, Neville or little Timani selected.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:28am
jameswm said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Yeah I think he’s injured. He’d surely have been in ahead of Paddy Ryan. Having said that, Ryan deserves his spot with Palmer injured. He’s our next best THP.
The bolter I’d like to have seen is Vaea. He can also play 6, which fills a spot a bit. Not sure who I’d have picked him ahead of. Well, Dave Dennis, but he’s our only specialist 6 and has the advantage of playing tests recently.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:20pm
jeznez said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
The props are not a balanced group though. Holmes should be there for one of either for Slipper, Alexander or Ryan.
If they are all fit then Robinson is our best scrummaging LHP. Kepu, Ryan and Alexander our best THP’s. I agree with what jameswm said earlier and think Slips should be left out for Holmes to provide specialist LHP cover.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:02pm
jameswm said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
They play Slipper at LH but I think Holmes is better. 5 props, they’ve got one specialist LH (Alexander), one specialist TH (Ryan), and three who (theoretically anyway) play both sides (Kepu, Alexander and Slipper).
October 25th 2012 @ 1:47pm
jeznez said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Lets throw the theory of Alexander being two sided away – just because the Brumbies get away with him on the loose hopefully everyone has now realised that THP is his only passable scrummaging side.
October 25th 2012 @ 3:01pm
jameswm said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
by the way I meant Robinson as the specialist LH.
Yeah, he seems to be going better at TH. And Kepu is better at TH.
October 26th 2012 @ 7:15pm
Bakkies said | October 26th 2012 @ 7:15pm | Report comment
Yes the props are because we don’t need two sided props as we will be using 8 man benches in the AIs. Sanzar have their heads up their backsides about this and will ruin a lot of props by not complying.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:13am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
I have to be honest, what concerns me most of all is Deans’ penchant for the Fullback and Flyhalf to be interchangeable roles, they’re really not. I have this sneaking suspicion it is a manifestation of Deans’ personal issues and his frustrated ambitions to be a flyhalf from his own playing days. Think of quality fullbacks … could Burke or Latham have played 10 for Australia? Can Halfpenny play 10 for Wales? Can Dagg play 10 for New Zealand? I really think Deans needs to get over his love-affair with “utility”.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:12am
Brendon said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Larkham did…
October 25th 2012 @ 11:17am
Post said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Larkham did not interchange with his fullback during games though. He was a fullback who made a conversion to 10 and was absolutely brilliant at it.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:21am
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Larkham started as a utility back for the Brumbies and started for the Wallabies in the same vein replacing Tune on the wing then Burke at fullback. Macqueen moved him to flyhalf in 1997 where he stayed put for 10 years.
That’s a far cry from the musical flyhalves game that Deans is playing.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Brendon said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Rogers?
October 25th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Jiggles said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Rogers cost us the 2003 RWC, I don’t think thats an endorsement for what Deans is doing.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
How exactly did rogers cost us the WC? Anyway if we’re going to stick to the script we shouldnt have even been in the final because deans cost the ab’s the semi by not playing cullen or umanga and having spencer at 10.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:13pm
Jiggles said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
You did watch that game right? Roger’s woeful kicking game kept The English in our half most of the night. Horses for courses and Latham’s big boat were what was needed.
Mitchell and Dean’s did coast the ABs that semi. The Wallabies were woeful all year and their inane selections and tactics went to $h*t when it counted most. surprisingly enough the same thing happened last year.
I suggest you get your facts in order before you get all high and mighty, which you like to do.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:29pm
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
We lost to a team in extra time by one drop goal, a team that smashed us at home earlier in the year and beat nz on their own turf too. We had no right to even be in the final, and before you disagree with me on that point look at what you just wrote.
Yet you want to signal one bloke out and say he cost us the game.
Why dont u employ some logic and rational thinking next time before getting all high and mighty, which you also like to do on a regular basis.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:34pm
Jiggles said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
I know you were about 12 years old when this game was played, so you probably can’t remember the play leading up to that drop goal. Just do yourself a big big favour and re watch the game.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:50pm
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:50pm | Report comment
12? try 21. I presume your referring to roger’s attempted clearing kick from inside the 22 not making touch?
There are thousands of moments within a game that have a say on the outcome, its pretty ignorant to single out one moment and play and the what-if game. What if watson policed bill young properly at scrum time? What if jones played owen finegan instead of waugh?
October 25th 2012 @ 5:00pm
Jiggles said | October 25th 2012 @ 5:00pm | Report comment
And what if Rogers had put the ball out. Geez thats a simple one. No ifs, or buts, the English wouldn’t have been in the situation to slot the drop goal. It wouldn’t have happened if Roff and Latham, both excellent boots, had started instead of Rogers and Sailor.
October 26th 2012 @ 9:11am
sheek said | October 26th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Jiggles,
You’re being highly presumptuous about many things.
At the time neither Roff nor Latham were at their best. Roff although only 28, was a shadow of the player just two years previously.
Latham, also 28 then, still had brain explosions that he hadn’t eradicated from his game. He became better later.
With the benefit of hindsight, it’s easy to say this or that should have happened. But at the time these were all 50/50 calls.
Larkham was concussed early in the final, spent some time off the field & didn’t take as many clearing kicks as he might have. This happens.
England was the superior team. The fact that the Wallabies pushed them to the last minute of extra-time is a miracle in itself.
October 26th 2012 @ 3:13pm
Jiggles said | October 26th 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
I can see why you two like Deans. Being ok with inane selections with no thought to tactics coupled with a near enough is good enough attitude.
October 26th 2012 @ 7:19pm
Bakkies said | October 26th 2012 @ 7:19pm | Report comment
Rogers was the fullback in that movement which was in the second last minute of injury time. He kicked the ball off the side of his boot which landed on the 22. Jiggles is right. It was a perfect platform for England to set up a rolling maul to milk a penalty or roll it infield for a Wilko drop goal (which he did manage off his wrong foot).
October 27th 2012 @ 9:46am
sheek said | October 27th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Jiggles,
Getting personal doesn’t cut it.
I came across an interesting comment from the historian AJP Taylor, who observed that once something happened it was easy to argue it was inevitable.
Going back to 2003, was it inevitable that Jones’ selection of Rogers & Sailor was instrumental in the Wallabies defeat? Is that all there was to it?
Such an easy thing to say, just open your mouth. But an entirely different matter to prove otherwise.
Sometimes you spray comments around so indiscriminately, if you were in an archery contest, the best place to watch would be at home looking at the TV.
October 27th 2012 @ 7:35pm
Jutsie said | October 27th 2012 @ 7:35pm | Report comment
Who said I was ok with the selection of rogers ahead of latham?
U didnt say “eddie jones cost us the game by selecting rogers at full back” you said “rogers cost us the 2003 world cup”, I took umbrage to your typically hyperbolic and hysterical comment.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:33pm
Jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Lambie and frans steyn have both played at 15 and as a 2nd playmaker. Dagg and halfpenny whilst not being 10′s have often taken the ball as first receiver. Ben Lucas has done that for the reds, and Ive also seen u advocate on numerous for him to play 9 next year to increase his value as a 9/10/15 utility.
And its no worse than playing your 9 as a 10 which is what the french did with parra or link did with genia.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:44pm
Red Kev said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Utility value in a couple of players is good, not in your whole backline (give Deans the chance and he’ll play Barnes, AAC, JOC and Beale in the backline and interchange them continually at the same time as talking about combinations as if he isn’t half the problem when it comes to not creating any).
Lucas is a genuine utility but don’t pretend for a second he’s good enough to make the starting national side in any one position.
Taking the ball at first reciever is not the same as playing flyhalf. Dagg and Halfpenny occassionally do this, not often. Just that same as sweeping back to cover territorial kicks from the opposition is not the same as playing fullback.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:50pm
jutsie said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
I’m nor disputing whether its the right or wrong thing to do, just disputing that deans is the only coach with a utility fetish. Although his not in good company if pdv is the first international coach that comes to mind lol.
October 26th 2012 @ 12:00am
IronAwe said | October 26th 2012 @ 12:00am | Report comment
At school growing up we were told that fullback and fly half were similar roles and they often got switched. I can think of quite a few players who played both full back and flyhalf.
October 26th 2012 @ 9:07am
Mike said | October 26th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Very good point, IA.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:31am
Mad Max said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
Red Kev I agree with you about Mowen.I think we have got as much from Samo as possible and it was once again time to blood a few new players and Mowen who can cover 6 and 8 as well as being a major Lineout jumper it is a mistake but as we have seen with players like Sharpe ( who Deans didnt want a bar of 12 mths ago) Taupai who should have been selected 12 mths earlier. Simmons is interesting as I hope he can use the tour to rebuild confidence after Deans used him as cannon fodder against the ABs. Deans selection policy is once again flawed. The majority of this squad have appeared in Spring Tours and the WC with very mixed results and once again taking players like Pocock who is just coming off a long injury is another mistake as we found with Palu and Mitchell at the WC.