Will the MCG say bye-bye to the Shield final?
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Midway through the last AFL season, the AFL and the Players’ Association expressed the desire to insert a second bye into every team’s draw in future seasons, maintaining the 22 home and away games for every club but spreading them over 24 weeks.
It’s a player welfare issue, with the chance of taking a second week off during the season giving the players a break from niggling injuries.
From a marketing perspective also, there’s an advantage in starting the season a week earlier. The NRL, which starts its season in early March, gets a 3-4 week head start over the AFL in terms of attracting crowds and publicity.
The AFL would love to claw back a week of that.
But it is not so easy – the AFL’s plans have historically been frustrated by cricket.
While state cricket cannot pull close to the crowds of the AFL’s first round, cricket’s contract with the MCG give it the first claim to the ground for the duration of the cricket season.
Therefore, any attempts to move the season back have failed.
Although the AFL draw for 2013 hasn’t been released in full, and won’t be until 31st October, the AFL have announced parts of the draw, with other games being leaked and hinted at.
Like a jigsaw puzzle, each piece that is put together gives an insight into next season, and reveals clues as to other likely games.
The first round fixture is available, and in a bizarre piece of scheduling is spread over two weeks.
Two games, Adelaide v Essendon and Fremantle v West Coast, at non-cricket venues, are scheduled for the weekend when the AFL would have liked to have had a full opening round.
The remaining games of round one are held over the Easter weekend.
The traditional season opener, the Richmond v Carlton game at the MCG, is now the third game of the season; being played on Thursday 28th March.
With a public holiday fixture on Easter Monday; Geelong and Hawthorn start their seasons eleven days after Adelaide and Essendon do.
Last year, Richmond v Carlton was the second game; with GWS’s AFL debut against Sydney at ANZ Stadium being played a week before the other round one games.
With the two Sydney teams playing each other at ANZ in the opening round again in 2013, with ANZ not being a first-class cricket venue, and with the NRL having such a head start over the AFL, it’s a mystery why the GWS v Sydney game wasn’t also scheduled for the first weekend rather than not being played until Easter Saturday.
By scheduling some games for that weekend, the AFL have indicated they’re still keen to start their season earlier in future years.
The split round to open the season is far from satisfactory. But the AFL will use it to put pressure on cricket to hand over the stadiums to AFL earlier in future seasons.
It’s hard to see how cricket’s going to win this one. They don’t have the product in March to justify occupying a 100,000 seat stadium.
There’s only a few more years to go on the current contract; and with the AFL keen to start earlier, cricket would be unlikely to get the current arrangements renewed.
And, with Sheffield Shield cricket not attracting crowds, playing the Shield final at suburban grounds would produce a better look and atmosphere.
In Sydney, a venue such as North Sydney Oval or Bankstown Oval would be more than sufficient. Moves are afoot in Melbourne to redevelop Junction Oval, which would give a 7,000 capacity oval to cricket for as long as they want it.
But cricket has one last hurrah, one last reason to want to keep the MCG in March.
In 2015, the ODI World Cup takes place. The tournament runs from late February, finishing in late March or early April.
After that date the MCG would be due to be handed over to the AFL.
The venue for the final is still to be determined. If a deal can’t be worked out with the AFL, the final won’t be in Melbourne.
It’s not hard to see where this is going and what the inevitable deal will be. In 2015, cricket will keep the MCG for the World Cup, including the final, with the AFL using other venues for the first couple of rounds.
Then in 2016, and future seasons, the MCG will be handed over to the AFL earlier, with the Sheffield Shield final played at suburban venues.
And the transition to a two-bye season will be complete.
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October 25th 2012 @ 9:07am
jamesb said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
I think the AFL would love to start their season roughly the same time as the NRL. Have a comp where each plays 24 games, plus 2 byes, which equates to 26 rounds.
If this happens, not only will you say goodbye to the shield final at the MCG, but also the GABBA and Adelaide oval. The SCG could still be used as a sheld final venue, because Sydney has other venues like Skoda and ANZ in which they could play in the early rounds.
The WACA and Bellerive are the other venues that the shield final could still take place, and won’t be affected. As keen cricket fan, I have had a look what grounds cricket could be played at.
Junction Oval for Victoria. Gliderol Stadium for S.A, and Allan Border Field for QLD. As long as every state plays 3 to 4 matches at the major venues thats fine.
The last thing Australian cricket wants is for ALL shield matches to play at suburban grounds, than when its time to make their test debut at the major grounds, they don’t have the experience to play at those venues. Eg pitch conditions.
We do want Australia to have home ground advantage, …..right?
October 25th 2012 @ 9:18am
mds1970 said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
No problem in Sydney – there are suburban grounds like North Sydney Oval and Bankstown that have hosted Shield games before and would be fine for a final.
Allan Border Field in Brisbane would do the job, and has done before. Maybe somewhere like Thebarton in Adelaide, but I don’t know the grounds there as well.
Melbourne is the city most affected, as the MCG hosts more AFL games than the other cricket grounds. Also Juntion Oval is currently not considered first class compliant; so the on-again-off-again redevelopment plans would need to be carried out; or there may be another grade ground in Melbourne that would be suitable.
Again, as long as there are Shield games played at the Test venues during the season; as well as one-day and T20; then it wouldn’t matter so much if the final was played at a suburban venue.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:33am
Jamesb said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Hey mds1970, in sydney you could have round 1 skoda, round 2 anz (swans), round 3 skoda, and round 4 scg
October 25th 2012 @ 9:47am
mds1970 said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
And there’s always the option of playing one of GWS’s Canberra games early.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:24am
Matt F said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Skoda is unavailable during the Easter show which could be an issue. Though they could get around it by having GWS host the Swans at ANZ in round 1 then have the Swans play an ANZ home match the week after.
GWS could play a game in Canberra but I don’t think the AFL would prefer a game played in Sydney each week if possible
October 25th 2012 @ 10:29am
Matt F said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
As much as I’m a fan of tradition it’s hard to justify cricket keeping the MCG at that time. When you weigh up the needs of 70,000 Melbournians (well 20k+ given theycould get around 52k at Ettihad) vs about 70 it’s really no contest. Then when you consider that cricket may not even use the MCG as, they will only use the ground if Victoria host the final, it’s even harder to justify.
October 25th 2012 @ 10:56am
mds1970 said | October 25th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
The days of a time-honoured six-month split between AFL and cricket are numbered. If the AFL want a two-bye season, there’s no way the AFL season can continue to start as late as it does. And while the AFL are waiting to start until the end of March, the NRL season is already a few weeks old. The A-League, and even the NBL, have seasons that last longer than six months.
Cricket itself is struggling to keep itself within that six-month split – this year, the domestic season started in mid-September.
For the stadiums, such as the MCG, economic imperatives will see it more lucrative to hand over to the AFL earlier than the end of March. Cricket can’t justify holding on to a 100,000-capacity stadium for the sake of a 1 in 6 chance of hosting a game that only draws a few hundred per day. The current contract expires in a few years’ time; and it’s hard to see that cricket will get a new contract giving it access till late March.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:23am
TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
The piper needs to be paid, and at the moment, it’s AFL games which pay him.
TC
October 25th 2012 @ 11:57am
Happy Hooker said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
And the piper will make that judgement when the time comes. The AFL don’t just get it because they want it.
October 25th 2012 @ 12:32pm
Matt F said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
No they don’t but money talks. 70k for an AFL match or 70 people for a Shield final which is only a 1/6 chance of being played in melbourne anyway? It’s a commercial no-brainer
October 25th 2012 @ 2:24pm
TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
When you’re the one handing over the hard earned – yeh, you do get what you want.
TC
October 25th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Redb said | October 25th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
The MCG is cavernous for Shield cricket, even a final struggles to half fill it.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:25pm
TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
Never mind half filling it – even reaching 1% capacity is a major achievement.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:13pm
Timmuh said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
Cricketers need games at the Test venues, but the final doesn’t need to be one of those.
Nor does it need to be in the capital city. Even the final of the Shield often struggles to get more than a few hundred people to a day’s play. Its a state tem, not a city one, why not play the final in a regional area where it would quite likely draw a larger attendance.
The current contract with the AFL and MCC runs until 2026 doesn’t it? Cricket Victoria and Cricket Australia have no reason to agree a change of contract, unless the AFL hand over bucketloads of cash, and any attempt to do so before 2015 could see the world cup final at Homebush as retribution (which hints from CA suggest it probably will be anyway).
October 25th 2012 @ 3:16pm
mds1970 said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
The AFL’s contract with the MCC runs out in 2037. But cricket’s contract expires in 2018. At the moment, the AFL gets the ground from the last weekend of March through to the end of September, with cricket getting the ground from the beginning of October to the second last weekend of March.
When the AFL had 24 rounds with two byes when there was an odd number of teams in 2011, the AFL had the Grand Final on 1st October because cricket agreed to it – they had no plans to have any games on 1st October, so they had no reason not to agree.
As I mentioned in the article, there’s a joker in te pack with the 2015 cricket World Cup. The final for that will be in late March or early April – during AFL’s time. If they want to have the final at the MCG, they’ll have to do a deal with the AFL.
I’m anticipating there’ll be a deal done. In 2015, cricket would get the MCG for an extra two weeks. In return, AFL will get the MCG 1-2 weeks earlier permanently from 2016.
Other than the World Cup, cricket doesn’t have the product at the end of March to justify opposing such a deal. They could oppose it – in which case the 2015 World Cup final won’t be in Melbourne; and the AFL would have to bide their time till 2018 and then make an offer to the MCG which is more lucrative than renewing the cricket contract in its current form.
October 25th 2012 @ 7:28pm
Timmuh said | October 25th 2012 @ 7:28pm | Report comment
I think CA want the game in Sydney anyway, but are even keener on starting a bidding war.
October 25th 2012 @ 1:54pm
Rixy said | October 25th 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
I for one would like to see the finals remain at the big venues. Bit of tradition never goes astray and seeing NSW win at Bankstown oval wouldn’t have the same feel. For those suggesting North Sydney Oval, I reckon the boundaries are just way to small. I know it’s both for the same teams but it is supposed to be the final of arguably the best domestic comp in the world.
I feel like the AFL could work around cricket if need be for just the one round. I have proposed a schedule below using Docklands for more games:
Friday – Carlton vs Richmond (Docklands)
Saturday arvo – North Melbourne vs Collingwood (Docklands)
Saturday arvo – Port Adelaide vs Adelaide (AAMI)
Saturday twilight – Geelong vs Melbourne (Skilled)
Saturday night – GWS vs Sydney (ANZ)
Saturday night – Bulldogs vs St Kilda (Docklands) – double header
Sunday – Essendon vs Hawthorn (Docklands)
Sunday – West Coast vs Fremantle (Patterson)
Sunday – Gold Coast vs Brisbane (Gold Coast)
This includes all state rivalries in the first round, which i imagine the AFL would avoid. If that’s the case though, you could have 2 games at AAMI, 2 at Pattersons and even an extra game at ANZ which would reduce the reliance on Docklands.
The best part is though if Victoria don’t make the final (or even make it but don’t host), half those games can be switched back to MCG.
October 25th 2012 @ 2:28pm
TC said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
Rixy
The AFL does work around cricket.
The game of Australian Football has been working around cricket for 150 years.
During that time, Australian Football has paid for the infrastructure, and cricket has used it.
At some point, the AFL will have to put its foot down and say: if we’re going to pay for it, then 50/50 is no longer acceptable.
55/45 seems a more than reasonable compromise. Who could possibly argue that that is not more than fair??
TC
October 25th 2012 @ 2:33pm
mds1970 said | October 25th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
A double-header isn’t a viable option. There’d be too many issues with which home club’s members get the reserved seats; and also with ground signage.
At a pinch, Hawthorn could play one of their Tasmania games in round 1; or the Swans play at ANZ and GWS in Canberra.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:52pm
Brian said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
Its only natural that the AFL season expands but when you consider the weather it seems a bit silly to go earlier. Playing in early March could become a simple war of attrition rather than AFL in places like Brisbane or even Perth. Even Melbourne often has 30+ days in early March.
Surely the most sensible solution is to really buck tradition and move the AFL GF back a week or two. Won’t happen I know but early October always seems a much more logical time to watch AFL than early March.
October 26th 2012 @ 8:29am
Redb said | October 26th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Agree, moving into October is a much better idea in terms of climate. Id’s ay the AFL is hoping to go both ways, start earlier and finish later down the track.
October 25th 2012 @ 4:57pm
Siege of Perth said | October 25th 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
I thought the cricket finals were played at the grounds of the team who is atop of the ladder? Pretty stupid of Cricket to claim a ground they wouldnt even fill 20% for a 1 in 6 chance they will use it.
To be honest I want a AFL season of 34 rounds playing each team twice. I know its not going to happen anytime soon if ever. But hopefully if some of the weaker clubs’ popularity and revenue increase we can increase the allowed squad size so teams will have enough players to get through a season that long and will not only be about performance but skillful list management too. Ethier way the inequity of the loppsided draw has to be addressed. Speaking of “Draw” bring on overtime, no one wants to see a draw, 7 mins each way!
October 26th 2012 @ 1:09pm
JamesP said | October 26th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
play each other twice is fair, but would only happen if you killed Nab cup and killed the finals, and the bye(s). You would need to start by early-mid March to do it, and end last week of September – first past the post style (i.e. minor premiers are the premiers)
If you had less teams (say 14) you could squeeze it with finals I think…
I think you would receive support for no pre-season – but cant see the finals going anywhere
October 25th 2012 @ 6:19pm
Goanna said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Football in Melbourne can be played at Etihad Stadium and Geelong. Shield final stays at MCG. It is called the Melbourne CRICKET Ground, not the FOOTBALL Ground.
Football had VFL Park and they sold out, so live with the decision AFL.
October 25th 2012 @ 6:47pm
Brewski said | October 25th 2012 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
Don’t think its all that simple, cricket has riding on the coatails of football for a very long time, something suitable to all parties is much more diplomatic than your suggestion.
October 25th 2012 @ 9:42pm
Goanna said | October 25th 2012 @ 9:42pm | Report comment
Why did the AFL sell out their own ground? The whole point of Waverley was so they could control their own destiny.
They went for the devil’s candy instead of what was good for the game so as far as I am concerned stiff titties I have no sympathy, cricket is our tradition and football needs to live with that or buy it’s own stadium.
October 26th 2012 @ 2:17am
Brewski said | October 26th 2012 @ 2:17am | Report comment
Stiff titties !! …. you have my attention.
October 26th 2012 @ 9:40am
TC said | October 26th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Goanna
the tradition you speak of involves Cricket using infrastructure paid for by Australian Football.
Do you know and understand the full history of Waverley?
What do you think would have happened to the MCG and MCC memberships if the grand final had been moved permanently to Waverley?
Do you recall the enormous pressure the Cain Government put on the then VFL to stick with the MCG?
TC
October 26th 2012 @ 5:41pm
Goanna said | October 26th 2012 @ 5:41pm | Report comment
Cricket is what got the land titles to the real estate that allowed football to exist don’t ever forget. For the most part, football and cricket are hand in hand. A lot of cricketers are footballers in the respective seasons. There are a lot more cricketers, and clubs than football clubs also. So have some respect footy and get back in your place or buy your own ground.
October 26th 2012 @ 6:10pm
Brewski said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
I like it when you said stiff titties …. and i don’t really know why !!.
October 26th 2012 @ 2:13am
The_Wookie said | October 26th 2012 @ 2:13am | Report comment
Lets not forget that the government didnt let the VFL build Waverly out to its planned 150k capacity to protect the precious MCG. Or that Docklands was deliberately restricted in capacity so as not to be a competitor to the G.
Football attracts 3 million a year to the MCG. Cricket doesnt attract even a third of that. Its been that way since the 80s at least.
October 26th 2012 @ 2:20am
Brewski said | October 26th 2012 @ 2:20am | Report comment
Wookie, i think the bigger issue was the transport to and from Waverly, the MCC …well not directly, but through political contacts etc stopped the Government putting in a rail line etc to Waverly, thereby rendering it a white elephant in sorts.
By the way, what are you doing up at this hour, have just returned from volleyball at a decent hour in the west.
October 26th 2012 @ 5:05pm
The_Wookie said | October 26th 2012 @ 5:05pm | Report comment
night shift manager of a hotel mate. Im ALWAYS up at this hour lol
October 26th 2012 @ 5:50pm
Goanna said | October 26th 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
What you say is partly true except for the bit about building the train line. The various Victorian governments since the 1950s stopped building train lines at all, let alone out to Mulgrave and they were ripping them out if anything because everyone was driving cars. Capacity was near 80k which is about as much as you need. You could have dug down a bit more and added another 10,000 seats and still had the room if they wanted to. The Kennett regime and AFL stooges sold the clubs and the fans a real pup with Docklands.
Thing is, I drive past the site now and Melbourne has grown out way down that way. Would those folks that live down there go all the way into the city to watch the footy? It is a long, long way.
Also, the league OWNED VFL Park 100 percent. Every penny, including parking, signage, pourage was the clubs. They sold out and went to Docklands and the MCG where they pay rents and the supporters have to pay more, for lousier section seating. You had 50,000 general admission seats at Waverley. There is about 10 in the nose bleed at Docklands. They force the fan into paying more. Clever stich up.
End of the day, the league had it’s own ground. It could play all the time out there, not have to pay exhorbitant rents to these property trusts and the clubs and fans were better off.
Docklands will be bulldozed in the next decade anyhow and the league will need to build another ground which will put them back to square one again. Should have just stayed put.
October 26th 2012 @ 6:17pm
Brewski said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:17pm | Report comment
Interesting , that you say that, the League will own the ground in 2025 (?) but i guess the ground will be due for an overhaul, and the land will be very valuable, so you may be right, but the way things are going, the MCG may do the leagues bidding anyway.
Waverly has served its purpose, just as footy park in Adelaide has done.
And you are dead right footy and cricket go hand in hand, and the vast majority of the time at grass roots level, the comittees of the footy and cricket club will nearly be one and the same. ……. particuarly in the southern states.
October 27th 2012 @ 3:09pm
Goanna said | October 27th 2012 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
The league will take on Docklands in 2025, problem is, will they even need it? There is at least 3 clubs now that cannot make ends meet in Melbourne. With 3 less teams will they need the joint?
Going on past form, the league will sell the stadium as it is essentially Melb. CBD real estate now and worth a lot of money. In 2030 it will be apartments and commerical offices.
Actually, I have actually seen in the AFL offices their potential plans to get rid of the stadium so even the league is thinking about it right now.
October 27th 2012 @ 3:45pm
Brewski said | October 27th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
If they sell off Docklands, and you may very well be right, they will need another stadium to play off against the MCG and MCC, so there will be another one somewhere, personally i would like to see a re-vamped Princess Park.
And if the same teams are playing in Melbourne as there are now …. IMO a third stadium is needed.
Lose Nth Melbourne, Footscay and Melbourne and you lose a hell of a lot of fans, my guess is those teams will still be going, maybe with Nth going to Tassie, but still playing some games in Melbourne.
The truth is no-one knows what will happen by 2025.
October 27th 2012 @ 9:11am
MyLeftFoot said | October 27th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
and that confinement was and still is something many followers of other codes had and still have very little idea about – and because of that their understanding of the AFL’s particular issues around the proposed WC bid was very limited to say the least.
October 26th 2012 @ 6:38am
CallMeeAl said | October 26th 2012 @ 6:38am | Report comment
The VFL was screwed over re Waverley which is why we have a legacy today of MCC members having the best seats in the house including for finals. The AFL members reserve would have supplanted them at VFL park and we would’t have had such a GF ticketing fiasco each year.
October 26th 2012 @ 8:22am
mds1970 said | October 26th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Had Waverley ever been built to its original plan, and had the infrastructure such as transport around it – then with 150,000 seats and zero MCC members allocation, there’d never have been an issue with Grand Final tickets. And the AFL could have started their season whenever they felt like it. That chance is gone forever.
But in this increasingly crowded and competitive sporting climate in which we find ourselves, increasing exposure is critical. The days of a neat 6-month split between seasons are numbered – especially when one sport brings in much more revenue than the other. Other sports, such as NRL, rugby union, A-League and even cricket, aren’t confined to a 6-month season.
November 6th 2012 @ 1:45am
Andy_Roo said | November 6th 2012 @ 1:45am | Report comment
Remember the name Arctic Park. Waverley was so cold and rainy, it was never a good venue.