Pim shouldn’t judge the mess he left behind

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    Earlier this week, former Socceroos coach Pim Verbeek, the man who ‘led’ Australia’s 2010 World Cup campaign in South Africa, came out and painted a grim picture for the future of the national team.

    He said that it will take “at least a generation” for Australia to produce players capable of taking on the world.

    In an interview with Qatari sports website Doha Stadium Plus, Verbeek, now Morocco’s under-21s coach, said “a dwindling youth talent pool was one of the reasons [he] did not stay in the job after the World Cup.”

    I have news for you Pim – we know, and we were glad to see the back of you. It was never your team Mr Verbeek, it was Australia’s, and you brought the game to its knees.

    You got two million bucks a year to lead us into a World Cup and you crucified the Socceroos with your negative style of football.

    That shocking performance against Germany not only broke hearts, but ended our World Cup campaign. It sums up your tenure.

    I refuse to place all of the blame on the players. You sent the players out with a plan that they simply didn’t believe in. Many were left confused and frustrated by the negative tactics you frequently used.

    You have a huge share of responsibility for the long term challenges the team faces to get back to a standard where we can compete with the top teams.

    “If you see the performance of their youth teams at the moment, it isn’t that encouraging,” Verbeek said.

    You mention that in the third round of 2012 Olympic Games qualification, “they” (the Olyroos) played six games, but couldn’t “score a single goal.”

    As I see it, there are two glaring omissions that you failed to consider.

    1. Obviously a failure to score in five consecutive games is concerning, but Pim, I plead for a sense of perspective. The Olyroos had two perfectly good goals disallowed in Uzbekistan. Against the UAE, they had the two best chances of the game.

    2. The Olyroos’ Olympic campaign was blighted by club-versus-country issues – the non-FIFA dates meant European-based players were mostly unavailable.

    No disrespect to the players who were picked, they gave all they could, but if you think of a European-based forward line of Tommy Oar and Matthew Leckie, that is the extra bit of quality that was missing in an attacking sense.

    Hopes that the golden generation of Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka and Tim Cahill would evolve into a consistent production line may not eventuate, but there are several hundred Australians plying their trade across the globe.

    Tom Rogic and Aaron Mooy continue to light up the A-League, while emerging talents Mustafa Amini (Borussia Dortmund, Germany), Eli Babalj (Red Star Belgrade, Serbia) and Curtis Good (Newcastle United, England) have made their way from the Hyundai A-League to heavyweight European clubs.

    The Australian influence in the K-League has shown no signs of abating, with Brendan Hamill (Seongnam Ilhwa) and Alex Wilkinson (Jeonbuk Motors) the latest to land in Korea.

    It’s great to see these players head to all parts of the world to develop their game. It’s a positive for the national team, as well as the actual players.

    So Pim, with respect to your comments regarding the state of the game in Australia, just zip it.

    Yours sincerely,

    Football Fan

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    • October 27th 2012 @ 2:18am
      Fussball said | October 27th 2012 @ 2:18am | ! Report

      Um. He mentioned also that Australians were “proud” and thus, not open to objective criticism. The youth suck. There IS a generational gap. There is NO good news buddy, although we wish there was. You can’t take offence to the truth, Verbeek is totally correct and I stand by his expert opinion on Australia. Our golden generation were very good, but there is nobody to follow them up. Olyroo’s are poor, that’s the truth, but what does that really say?

      It doesn’t say that there isn’t potential there, it just says that nobody has seen it if it does exist. We hope it does exist, but by sugar coating the raw facts we aren’t enhancing our ability to deal with the issue. Disallowed goals are part of the world game, they do not count. Plenty have been disallowed, plenty of beautiful goals in fact (CR7’s).

      As far as I’m concerned, there is no European-based attacking line up to replace Kewell and Cahill. I hope Amini comes through, but the facts are on the table and that is this: There are no Australians at present who are good enough to make an impact against the best teams in the world. Mate, we narrowly beat Iraq and lost to Jordan. Those performances against teams of that calibre tell you all you need to know about the current state of the Socceroo’s.

      No need to argue back and forth but I think your back-against-the-wall article is nonsense. You’re entitled to your opinion, but based on how the Socceroo’s have performed and the absence of any stand-out youth players who resemble the success, talent and skill of Kewell, Cahill, Bresciano or Viduka, the writing is on the wall: There are no replacements and hence, the generational gap is evident. I hope that the gap is filled, but Pim’s assessment is right on the money.

      • October 27th 2012 @ 8:58am
        Darwin Stubbie said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:58am | ! Report

        100% on the money … Aust football can’t afford to shoot the messenger and PV is better placed than most to comment … I actually believe that if Verbeek did actually leave anything detrimental behind it was the notion that W-cup qualification through Asia is a doddle

    • October 27th 2012 @ 2:38am
      Johnno said | October 27th 2012 @ 2:38am | ! Report

      Good article and you bring up some good points. But lets get some facts too. The term free speech, and now no conflict of interest should make in my opinion Pim the perfect candidate to be the front man of problems in Australian soccer. He only left in 2010. Is now in youth programs high performance in Morocco. And anyone who has a dig about Morocoo football development standards is clearly ignorant about the country. Morocoo is in Africa yes. And Africa is massive continent. And Morocoo is right up in NOrth-west Africa, and what does that basically mean. It means it is on Europe’s door step. Morocco is only separated by a small stretch of water from Spain.
      Think the English Channel. Between England-France. Well that is like Morocoos distance to Spain the current world soccer champions.
      And obviously Moroccos links to France which is right next to Morocoo and Spain to. French is spoken by 33% of Moroccoans.

      Do not be fooled by Moroccos current FIFA ranking of 81. They are much better than that . Have a look at there national team roster you will see many more of there players are playing for big Europe clubs than our boys. Our boys seem to run to Asia more anyway than Europe, and Europe soccer leagues are vastly superior to Asian soccer leagues anyway, and more Moroccoans in Europe than in Asia which our boys seem to run too now , .
      Morocco has players at Liverpool, Atheltico Madrid who are doing great in Spain La liege this year, Lens,,Aston Villa, and Turkish Giants Galatasary eg like harry Kewell.

      Moroccoo has produced some of the great athletic runners middle distance runners ever. Think Hicham El Guerrouj, Gold medalist Athens in 2004, and silver at Sydney 2000. One of greatest middle distance runner ever. Remember Bruce Mcaveny in Sydney saying nothing more certain than him winning gold. He won silver. but came back in athens winning 2 gold in 1500m and 5000m, phenomenal effort and has multiple world records. Sergi Bubka type level he was.

      And Benazzi the famous french player who had the blue and fight with Peter Fitzimons is from Morocco. So some great athletes and so close to Europe, they will be a force at the next African nations cup in South Africa.

      SO people like Pim Verbeek are very qualified ot make judgements as the have been in the inner sanctum of Aussy soccer in recent times only 2 years out of the sanctum. And Pim never sugar coats and is honest, that is what you want. Or do you want a yes man, who sugarcoats everything.

      And the point about availability of Olyroos, we lack depth and pim has pointed that out in the past. I mean who should make accurate and who would you trust. Les and Foz lol. Please. Foz a man who says Pim should be sacked int he middle of the world cup campaign, and have the assistants take over in the middle of the tournament I mean please. Or Les who had to retract in his book , a public reiteration about comments he made about Lucas Neil in his book. I mean are Les and Foz or SBS for that matter still the voice of Australian football. When I hear Les and Foz now after world cup 2010 I am not so sure if SBS are as relevant to Australian football when i hear this 2 sometimes. I trust Pim far more than those 2.

      And Pim;s comments also are a bit of I told you so with a cheeky Pim grin that he loves to give. As well as his promise to sing the Aussy anthem which he did for SImon Hill after making the world cup , he sung on national tv. He is no tenor Pim, but has a good dutch laugh. In Guss we trust in Pim we trust, In Rob Bahn we trust, and Neeskans we trust 4 Dutchman who don’t let Australia soccer down. Heck the Dutch saw Australia first out of the European countries.
      Now they are giving a lot of technical help. And that is not sugar coating the reality of Australian football and where we in reality sit globally. So bravo flying dutchman Pim. Fly in fly out, but in Pim is right in Pim we trust.

    • October 27th 2012 @ 2:47am
      Johnno said | October 27th 2012 @ 2:47am | ! Report

      Good article and you bring up some good points. But lets get some facts too. He has no conflict of interest so should make in my opinion Pim the perfect candidate to be the front man of problems in Australian soccer, as he is not bound by contracts. He only left in 2010. Is now in youth programs high performance in Morocco. And anyone who has a dig about Morocoo football development standards is clearly ignorant about the country.

      Morocco 32 Million, has produced a lot of good rugby players who have played for France, and now play in top 14 in France, the Morocoo rugby team and soccer team are developing very well in 2012 some very positive results.

      Morocoo is in Africa yes. And Africa is massive continent. And Morocoo is right up in North-west Africa, and what does that basically mean. It means it is on Europe’s door step. Morocco is only separated by a small stretch of water from Spain.
      Think the English Channel. Between England-France. Well that is like Morocoos distance to Spain the current world soccer champions.
      And obviously Moroccos links to France which is right next to Morocoo and Spain to. French is spoken by 33% of Moroccoans.

      Do not be fooled by Moroccos current FIFA ranking of 81. They are much better than that . Have a look at there national team roster you will see many more of there players are playing for big Europe clubs than our boys. Our boys seem to run to Asia more anyway than Europe, and Europe soccer leagues are vastly superior to Asian soccer leagues anyway, and more Moroccoans in Europe than in Asia which our boys seem to run too now , .
      Morocco has players at Liverpool, Atheltico Madrid who are doing great in Spain La liga this year, Lens,,Aston Villa,.

      Moroccoo has produced some of the great athletic runners middle distance runners ever. , And some top rugby players who have played for France and 1 or 2 of them had a few blues with some aussy rugby players one what’s his name he is married to the host of today show on 9, and writes for the herald he was the bloke cant remember there names but was test Australia VS France at Allianz stadium then SFS in 1990.

      SO people like Pim Verbeek are very qualified ot make judgements as the have been in the inner sanctum of Aussy soccer in recent times only 2 years out of the sanctum. And Pim never sugar coats and is honest, that is what you want. Or do you want a yes man, who sugarcoats everything.

      And the point about availability of Olyroos, we lack depth and pim has pointed that out in the past. I mean who should make accurate and who would you trust. Les and Foz lol. Please. Foz a man who says Pim should be sacked int he middle of the world cup campaign, and have the assistants take over in the middle of the tournament I mean please. Or Les who had to retract in his book , a public reiteration about comments he made about Lucas Neil in his book. I mean are Les and Foz or SBS for that matter still the voice of Australian football. When I hear Les and Foz now after world cup 2010 I am not so sure if SBS are as relevant to Australian football when i hear this 2 sometimes. I trust Pim far more than those 2.

      And Pim;s comments also are a bit of I told you so with a cheeky Pim grin that he loves to give. As well as his promise to sing the Aussy anthem which he did for SImon Hill after making the world cup , he sung on national tv. He is no tenor Pim, but has a good dutch laugh. In Guss we trust in Pim we trust, 2 Dutchman who don’t let Australia soccer down.

      Now they are giving a lot of technical help. And that is not sugar coating the reality of Australian football and where we in reality sit globally. So bravo flying dutchman Pim. Fly in fly out, but in Pim is right in Pim we trust

    • October 27th 2012 @ 6:21am
      Bondy. said | October 27th 2012 @ 6:21am | ! Report

      Cam anybody geiuinely say that Verbeek is /was our only saviour for the past four years,is Verbeek really a better coach or man motivater than say a Postecoglou,why arent we using Australians in the first place,did Verbeek give you the impression he really cared for the team or our nation.or our position in world football.

      He genuinely never filled anybody at anytime with optimism ,he’s now shovelling sh## in Morrocco with a youth team and they wont let him near senior their national team players I think that speaks volumes for Verbeek.
      Well put together read.

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      October 27th 2012 @ 8:01am
      sheek said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:01am | ! Report

      One thing that Pim said which struck a chord with me was the travel involved to Europe & back with so many of our leading players based over there.

      That is a reason why we should develop our a-League as quickly as possible. Hopefully, having guys like del Pierro, Heskey & Ono here, plus leading Socceroos like Emerton, will encourage both more foreign players & Aussies to head here.

      I don’t know if it’s all Pim’s fault (lack of depth). Certainly he stuffed up with the tactics back in 2010, but a lack of quality footballers coming through is the fault of a lot more people than Pim.

      • October 27th 2012 @ 8:14am
        Johnno said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:14am | ! Report

        sheek you say “will encourage both more foreign players & Aussies to head here.” Why don’y you share the same attitude to foreigners in super rugby.
        Like a lot of rugby fans I notice they have a very open and flexible view to foreign imports in other codes but are not so welcoming of foreigners in super rugby. I never get that . 5 per team in A-league. 1 marquee yet I have a hunch sheek you approve of 5 in A-league but not 5 per super rugby squad.

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          October 27th 2012 @ 8:29am
          sheek said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:29am | ! Report

          Johnno,

          Football has evolved differently to Rugby.

          That said I’m not against foreign players in an ARC if/when it happens. I’m just against a “flood” of them. For rugby, I think 2-3 per team max.

          The football situation is different in that we have to fill the ‘hole’ left by over 200 Aussies playing overseas. That’s a massive number of players offshore.

          If rugby eventually goes the same way then reluctantly I would argue the same for it (more imports).

          • October 27th 2012 @ 8:35am
            Johnno said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:35am | ! Report

            Good points sheek hard to compare 2 very different sports in OZ, evolved different mate. I know one thing whatever business model the A-league is doing it is working, super rugby could really take note especially in marketing and game day or match day promotion and match day plaaning to generate hype and atmosphere. Only 2 teams that impress me iin that regard are the Force and Reds. Tahs good luck next year I hope the new coaching staff and admin staff have what it takes.
            But whatever the A-league is doing I think the 2 best things they have done are a pro team in west sydney, and match day experience at A-league matches is hugh quality atmosphere. Hats of to the A-league marketing departmant.

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              October 27th 2012 @ 9:05am
              sheek said | October 27th 2012 @ 9:05am | ! Report

              Johnno,

              I can’t believe there’s no A-League team in Canberra. Plus bring back the Auckland Knights. But A-League is booming & good luck to the FFA for their efforts.

              • October 27th 2012 @ 9:51am
                Johnno said | October 27th 2012 @ 9:51am | ! Report

                Sheek I agree A-league is doing fantastic job well done FFA. Yes a team in Canberaa, and Auckland i hope to see happen I can’t believe no Canberra, Auckland knights come back too. A-league doing well , good times for football in OZ.

        • October 27th 2012 @ 8:38am
          Bondy. said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:38am | ! Report

          Johnno.

          I agree with the rugby concept I heard T Horan taliking about months ago he’s right,I primarily only watch the wallabies but bits of super rugby,you may have to close a club down perth or melb and then a few slective imports forwards and backs selective chosen,then we would dominate super rugby and concern the blacks.

          Theres a very fine line Johnno between the sports though it must be said as an associate I like most of the rugby guidelines .

    • October 27th 2012 @ 8:26am
      nordster said | October 27th 2012 @ 8:26am | ! Report

      “I have news for you Pim – we know, and we were glad to see the back of you. It was never your team Mr Verbeek, it was Australia’s, and you brought the game to its knees.”

      So on the one hand it was never his team…but he brought the game to its knees…hmmm make up your mind 😉

      He is a convenient scapegoat for our developmental shortcomings. National team coaches have less influence than people assume, they have a squad for a few days here and there.

      Pim as a coach was quite compatible with australia. Call him mediocre if u like, we are not that far ahead of him if at all.

      Glad he is speaking up…dont zip it at all…we need to hear what folks like him have to say. He knows us better than we would like to admit.

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