Super squad building and why Cheika needs time
NSW Waratahs coach Michael Cheika (Image: Supplied)
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When the five New Zealand Super franchises announce their squads this morning, the crystal-ball gazing into next year’s competition can begin in earnest.
Mix in the start of the pre-seasons for the Australian franchises this week and the sense grows that the first foundations are being laid.
There will be a host of new names to digest among the Kiwi squads, with those prominent from New Zealand’s under-20 campaign this being fed into the system after a spell in ITM Cup.
But most interest will surround the composition of the Blues and the Highlanders, for opposing reasons.
Eyes will scan over the Blues’ list and the question “Who are these blokes?” will soon follow, while one look at the Highlanders squad will convince some that they are finals-bound.
The likes of Ma’a Nonu, Tony Woodcock and Brad Thorn have signed up with Jamie Joseph’s men while the Blues will have to rely on Baden Kerr and Ronald Raaymakers.
Accordingly money will flow towards the Dunedin-based franchise to make the finals, while the Blues will take on the unfamiliar role of rank outsiders. I’d hesitate before placing that Highlanders bet. Experience is a wonderful thing but a roster of Test veterans is no guarantee of Super Rugby success.
Ask the Waratahs about that – or, to a lesser degree, the Crusaders over the past five years.
In fact, it’s one of Michael Cheika’s biggest challenges.
The issue of the number of Waratahs players in the Test squad throughout the year is one that has provoked a fair bit of heat.
But it’s not as simple as them being “rewarded” for a poor season, and also more complex than “they have a lot of Test players so they’ll be successful at Super Rugby”.
The likes of Tatafu Polota-Nau, Benn Robinson and Wycliff Palu feed straight into the national team because they have long proven themselves at the Super level.
They were playing in Super Rugby finals and semi-finals years ago. They have been through the auditioning period the likes of Hugh Pyle, Sam Carter and others are going through.
There is no Test coach in work today who would jettison that experience, even if the players were in an underperforming provincial unit.
Similarly, when James Horwill comes back next year, he won’t have to be the “form” second-rower of the Australian conference to win back his Wallabies place, nor should he be. His qualities at the elite level are already well known.
The difficulty these players now face – and it is a challenging one – is playing at a consistently high level over a long Super and Test season. No one can be at their peak from February to December, or even close to it. Even the Reds, who are by general consensus the most adroitly managed group, struggled to repeat 2011′s intensity this year.
New Zealand has a long established way of dealing with this – they simply yank their established players out of Super Rugby and tell them to put their feet up, to the detriment of the franchises concerned and the benefit of the All Blacks.
A different lie of the land in Australia prevents such dramatic interventions, but the same issues apply. Super sides heavy with Test caps carry their own burdens.
So while NSW and the Reds, who together make up more than two-thirds of the Wallabies squad for Europe, are fretting about the welfare of their players on tour, the other three franchises are happily plotting against them with fuller squads.
Brumbies management might not have been altogether distraught that some of their players missed out.
The extra planning time did them no harm in 2012.
Similarly, look at this year’s Super champions, the Chiefs, for further evidence of the disconnect between the number of Test front-liners and Super success.
At the start of the campaign they had only one player, Richard Kahui, who was a starting All Black.
The key for them – apart from the sharp coaching – the number of other hungry players who wanted to be one.
This is not to say that expectations of the Waratahs shouldn’t be high. The carrot of the British and Irish Lions arriving before the Super season even ends should guarantee that their big players are playing closer to their peak than they were this season.
But Cheika is going to need time.
Turning that side into Super challengers, and refreshing the squad to his liking, is more than a 12-month job.
Paul Cully is a freelance journalist who was born in New Zealand, raised in Northern Ireland, but spent most of his working life in Australia. He is a former Sun-Herald sports editor, rugby tragic, and current Roar and RugbyHeaven contributor.
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October 31st 2012 @ 7:54am
Red Kev said | October 31st 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
I read in the NZ press that SANZAR are not allowing super rugby to increase their bench sizes to 8 to allow for another prop. Do you Paul (or anyone else for that matter) know anything about that?
October 31st 2012 @ 8:12am
allblackfan said | October 31st 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Red Kev, the extra prop rule is still being trialled.
It was trialled in the iTM Cup last year and in SA/NH this year but it’s not law.
October 31st 2012 @ 8:24am
Red Kev said | October 31st 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
I knew it was an ELV, but I thought it was going to be incorporated into the new Super Rugby season. Is it just on the NH tour then? So next years Rugby Championship will also be under the “old” laws?
I actually expected a massive push to increase squad sizes to cope – if you need 4 props on game day you need at least 5 if now 6 in your squad. I would expect 34 player squads soon – 3 complete front rows, 3 scrumhalves and 2 of everyone else.
October 31st 2012 @ 11:15am
Bakkies said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
It’s hardly a trial law in Europe. Been in place since 2007 at least.
October 31st 2012 @ 8:34am
Farmerj said | October 31st 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Just read through the chiefs squad.
One word.
Depth.
Bring on championship number 2!
October 31st 2012 @ 10:23am
Andrew C (waikato) said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
100% agree, Farmerj. They’ve recruited astutely once more. Ross Filpo and MORE. Depth in numbers. And the Coaching & Management is also a huge asset. I can see quite a few people throughout the Waikato and other areas within the Chiefs franchise hurrying along to book their Season Tickets @ the Stadium. No surprises this year !!
October 31st 2012 @ 8:44am
Luke said | October 31st 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
The content of this article is one of, if not the dumbest articles ive read on this website. If anyone ever wondered why the wallabies cannot match the all blacks at the moment its attitudes like the authors that hold oz rugby back.
You say that a host of experienced wallabies (and mainly waratahs) should be walk up starts to the wallabies regardless of form. Then you go on to point out that the cheifs won the super rugby crown because they were filled with hungrier, younger players.
I know there is a big step up from super rugby to international rugby and oz rugby doesnt have the depth of nz but if an all black doesnt perform at international or super rugby he knows he will be dropped for younger, hungrier player.
By the authors theory though it doesnt matter how poorly anyone performs for the wallabies or during a super rugby season so long as they have done something in the past they should still be an automatic start the for the wallabies.
What sort of message does this send to younger players on the fringes of wallabies selection? And how long before these players just get disheartened and give up on working towards being selected for the wallabies?
October 31st 2012 @ 10:22am
Wilson said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Hear, hear! My jaw dropped when I read that. It is that very attitude that frustrates the crap out of me every Wallaby season. The players should be picked on form. Certainly if two players are head to head the call goes in the favour of the player with previous proven international form. But it should not be the trump card that keeps form players out of the Wallabies. I want my Wallabies seriously fighting for their right to pull on the jersey each week and every new Wallaby season.
Anyone of you will have your pick of player that you think has had their opportunities unfairly squashed due to these attitudes. My pet peeve has been the career of Matt Hodgson. He is the most awarded Force player to ever play at the club by a long shot, and they have had up to 13 Wallabies in their squad at any one time. He has been a top 3 form back rower at Super level for the last 4 years. He has 6 caps!!!! This from a guy who effortlessly plays 6,7 & 8 and is the number 2 line out jumper behind Sharpe at his club with the best verticle leap in the team. He has strong working combinations with Sharpe and Pocock and it was never exploited by Deans. Why he wasn’t the Wallaby’s favourite bench specialist at the very least all these years I’ll never know.
Pick on form you goose. This article has been better than 10 cups of coffee this morning. I’m wide away and wild. Mr Cully you sir are a twit.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:27pm
yahyah said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:27pm | Report comment
Hodgson was given his best oppurtunity against Samoa. We all know what happened. And Luke, hpw many people disagree with Piri Weepu’s inclusion in the ABs? How many inconsistent seasons has Richie McCaw had at Super level? Experience is invaluable and Deans cant afford to throw in all his in form players who total close to zero caps altogether if you consider the number of injuries this year. All Blacks have a full set of regulars so therefore can afford to mix in two or three new young guns. Australia dont have the same luxury at the moment.
November 4th 2012 @ 1:10am
Ra said | November 4th 2012 @ 1:10am | Report comment
Taranaki will gobble him up, if he crosses the ditch, good launching pad to the Hurricanes
October 31st 2012 @ 10:37am
stop kicking said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Luke, you pretty much summed up word for word what i was going to post after reading this article. unfortunately the Wallaby selectors and coaches methodology seem the be exactly as stated above with prime examples being berrick barnes, rob horne and fat cat robbo
October 31st 2012 @ 1:56pm
sittingbison said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
I’ll 4th that Luke, Wilson and SK. Sorry Paul, you lost the plot on this one. The Wallabies is not the venue to bring players back from long term injury, get players match fit, or play them into form. Every game counts at test level, there can be no hangers on. The Wallabies were woeful starting with Scotland and ending at Rosario, because they selected fat unfit Beale struggling with mental issues, 8 starting Warratahs struggling with lack of form both personally and team, Cooper not being match fit (and starting in Eden Park), and Drew Mitchell being all of the above.
Every player selected should be in correct position and in form, regardless of name or reputation. This has been the major problem with Deans and Nucifora.
October 31st 2012 @ 6:41pm
Harry said | October 31st 2012 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
X 5, I really hate the way the wallabies are used as a development/reconditioning side.
I understand about the horrendous injury toll, and the lack of meaningful 3rd tier games but even so it has been the main weakness of Australian rugby for years. Hopefully not next season.
October 31st 2012 @ 11:59am
Nick Cross said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
“if an all black doesnt perform at international or super rugby he knows he will be dropped for younger, hungrier player.”
That’s actually not true. If you look at who was picked after this year’s S15 (below) there are several that were picked on reputation rather than performance in the competition – I’d inlcude Woodcock, Ali Williams, Weepu, Carter, Nonu (he’s been rubbish in Super rugby for several seasons) and Guiidford in that category. There were others with better S15s that this lot that didn’t get a look in and largely I agreed with their selection (except Williams and Guildford)
Similarly Weepu has hardly set the world on fire in the tests this year, and Williams hasn’t even played, but there both on the plane. The ABs just don’t select wholly on form.
Squad for Ireland Internationals in June 2012:
Hookers
Andrew Hore Taranaki (62) –
Keven Mealamu Auckland (92)
Props
Wyatt Crockett Canterbury (6)
Ben Franks Tasman (15)
Owen Franks Canterbury (31)
Ben Tameifuna Hawke’s Bay *
Tony Woodcock North Harbour (83)
Locks
Brodie Retallick Bay of Plenty *
Luke Romano Canterbury *
Samuel Whitelock Canterbury (25)
Ali Williams Auckland (73)
Loose forwards
Sam Cane Bay of Plenty *
Richie McCaw (C) Canterbury (103)
Kieran Read Canterbury (36)
Adam Thomson Otago (24)
Victor Vito Wellington (13)
Halfbacks
Aaron Smith Manawatu *
Piri Weepu Auckland (56)
First five-eighths
Daniel Carter Canterbury (85)
Aaron Cruden Manawatu (9)
Beauden Barrett Taranaki *
Midfielders
Tamati Ellison Otago (1)
Ma’a Nonu Wellington (66)
Conrad Smith Wellington (55)
Sonny Bill Williams Canterbury (14)
Outside backs
Israel Dagg Hawke’s Bay (12)
Hosea Gear Wellington (8)
Zac Guildford Hawke’s Bay (8)
Ben Smith Otago (2)
Julian Savea Wellington
October 31st 2012 @ 12:47pm
garth said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Why, oh why, have Weepu & Williams been selected for the EOYT? What do they have on Hansen?
October 31st 2012 @ 1:59pm
KiwiDave said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Personally I would like to see McCaw, Hore, Mealamu and Carter rested from the EOYT and guys like Weepu, Williams and the older brigade who are underperforming anyway be not considered at all. The amount of depth we have now we can afford to rest all these players, blood a new batch of budding stars and still go undefeated.
October 31st 2012 @ 5:47pm
DC of nz said | October 31st 2012 @ 5:47pm | Report comment
I think you pick the best players available yes ?
Plus the ABs want to play to win every game .
I don’t think you blood a stack of new players in the northern hemisphere – are we not unbeaten there since 2002 ?
October 31st 2012 @ 1:14pm
atlas said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
“Williams hasn’t even played”
Ali Williams – just four months ago, two tests v Ireland.
Last week, ITM Cup final for Auckland.
October 31st 2012 @ 2:21pm
Nick Cross said | October 31st 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Yeah well I don’t think that actually negates my point that it’s not correct to say that the ABs pick on form. I only spotted Williams when he got penalised.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:00pm
Go_the_Wannbe's said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
I agree. Wallaby squads should be chosen on Super 15 performance first and past reputations second.
How else do you reward Super clubs that have outstanding seasons?
How disheartening must it have been for the Brumbies to watch all those Tah’s being selected when they had their worst season ever?
The bulk of the Wallabies this year should have come from the Reds and Brumbies as reward for a job well done.
How worse off would we have been if we followed this policy? Luckily injuries forced Deans to select players he should have selected in the first place.
October 31st 2012 @ 4:55pm
Pillock said | October 31st 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
What it does is destroy any morale in the side.
Benn Robinson & TPN seemed to spend most of the Super 15 season having a cream bun eating contest and are probably still not it enough to play. Maybe that the trick to getting TPN to stop dropping the ball and throwing it away 6 or 8 times a match, tell him to treat the pill like his lunch.
Of all the sides the Brumbies are the team that got shafted the most and I can tell you what it will happen again next year.
October 31st 2012 @ 9:24am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
The Waratahs will never win.
They have a fly half and a hooker who can’t play 20 minutes without getting concussed.
Their centres wouldn’t make the Brumbies or Reds 3rds.
Their so called “gun” number 7 has played a few good tests and they are already calling him better than McCaw or George Smith (which they also said about Phil Waugh!).
Their props still haven’t realised that being fat isn’t the be all and end all of scrummaging.
They don’t have a scrumhalf.
Their wings are permenently on the injury list.
and their second row have no obvious ability outside of being above average height.
Waiting for the Waratahs to win Super Rugby is almost as sad as watching people wait for Cronulla to win the NRL, Seinfeld to make a comeback, or Labor to produce a budget surplus. It isn’t going to happen!
October 31st 2012 @ 9:34am
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Chris I wouldn’t be banking on Barnes playing 10. I think he’ll be at 12.
The Tahs halves combination is their biggest concern. I have high hopes for Grayson Hart and Bernard Foley, but unfortunately, for now that’s all they are. Hopes.
If Barnes and AAC are then the centres, you’re saying they wouldn’t make the Brumbies or Reds 3rds? What if Horne was one of them? He didn’t have a great season, but he was a Wallabies incumbent for a while. Who plays 13 for the Brumbies? Andrew Smith? Is that his name, that big guy?
On the other hand, the Waratahs have 3 props and 2 hookers better than anyone the Reds have. What’s more important?
The Tahs need a culture and skill change. I can’t believe that can change in a year.
October 31st 2012 @ 9:40am
Jutsie said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
James it may not happen in a year but chieka seems to be making all the right noises to indicate they are heading in the right direction. Here’s hoping he walks the walks like he is talking the talk.
October 31st 2012 @ 9:43am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Well depending on who plays 10 for the Brumbies, I would take Lealiifano, McCabe, Coleman or Toomua anyday at 12 ahead of Barnes.
Unless your idea of a 12 is someone who does a popgun kick to his opposite number every play?
As for 13 I’d happily take Andrew Smith, Kuridrani, Rathbone or Tomane ahead of Adam Two-Dads. AAC hasn’t played a decent game ever since he started worrying more about how his facial hair looked than his rugby.
So you are right, I was wrong saying the Waratahs centres would make the Brumbies 3rds, they would actually make thier 5ths.
October 31st 2012 @ 9:58am
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Rathbone (or any of them) at 13 ahead of AAC. Rayhbone. You’re making Deans look like a gun selector.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:11am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
I suppose Ashley Cooper has been playing slightly better than Rathbone in the last couple of seasons.
That said, Rathbone didn’t actually play the last couple of seasons, so that could explain it.
As far as Dean’s goes, he keeps picking Drew Mitchell, who has had the same amount of gametime as Rathbone recently.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:18am
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Rathbone’s done nothing wrong the last two seasons.
Mitchell’s at least played in the last two seasons, I think you’re doing better than Deans with that selection.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:58am
Mantis said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
I hope Jake White plays Lealiifano at 12 and McCabe at 13. This experiment with McCabe at 12 has to stop. He is not a 12. End of.
But hes still a better 12 then Barnes
October 31st 2012 @ 12:04pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
I hope so too Mantis. I’d like CL to start at 12 for most games, with time at 10 as well. That requires To’omua to be back and playing well. They’re more likely to go with CL at 10, McCabe at 12 and the biggish guy (Smith) at 13.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:27pm
Markus said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
I see no reason to move the form Aus player of the 2012 Super Season out of position. Especially when the alternatives for flyhalf are not exactly abundant at present – Beale has been nowhere near as good as the raving reviews would have you believe, and Cooper may not ever play under Deans again.
And regardless of his Test form, McCabe has been fantastic at 12 for the Brumbies.
Lealifano 10, McCabe 12, and either Kuridrani or Andrew Smith 13.
October 31st 2012 @ 1:33pm
Mantis said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
If Lealiifano is 10, I’d prefer to see Coleman at 12 and McCabe at 13. McCabe just isnt creative enough for me at inside, and doesnt have the kicking game, whilst he is a hard and devistating ball runner which suits him at outside. I rate Toomua though, so I’d like to see Toomua 10, Lealiifano 12 and McCabe at 13.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:55am
formeropenside said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Huh? The Wallabies have three props better than Holmes or Slipper? Who are they, and where were they in the Super rugby season?
Also, who is the second hooker – I will give you a fit TPN as the second best hooker in the country behind Moore, but really?
You seem to be confusing Wallaby selection with “better player”.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:05pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
So are you fos. 3 Tahs props are in the Wallaby squad and Holmes is not. And I thought Ulugia was better than Saia Fainga’a last Super season. Better in the scrums (by a lot), lineouts and with ball in hand.
October 31st 2012 @ 1:13pm
formeropenside said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
We will have to disagree on the worth of Ulugia vs Faingaa. Also, on the worth of Ulugia vs Hanson.
Finally, I will note that Holmes and Slipper held their own against the Tahs at scrumtime, and were significantly better around the park.
October 31st 2012 @ 1:40pm
eagleJack said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
I don’t buy into all this province BS but what I will say is that Slipper embarrassed himself at scrumtime in his recent Test outings. For his sake, and the Wallabies, I hope he improves as he could be good.
October 31st 2012 @ 1:57pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Are you accusing me letting provincial bias influence my opinions?
You gotta laugh fos.
October 31st 2012 @ 9:51am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
I still don’t see why everyone is hyping Cheika so much. He was a decent coach for Randwick (which means almost nothing at professional level) but other than that he has nothing to write home about.
Leinster have been a much better team since Cheika left (even though Cheika had the bulk of Irelands “golden generation” to work with). At Leinster he let the forwards wane to such an extent that Ireland were picking an all Munster-Ulster pack for most of their games (despite Leinster having BY FAR the highest budget of any Irish team).
After that he went to France where he couldn’t even win the majority of his games (even though he spent more on players than every other team bar Toulon).
If he can’t win when he is outspending every other team 2 to 1 how the hell is he going to make the Waratahs competitive in a Super Rugby comp with a salary cap?.
October 31st 2012 @ 9:54am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Actually, we aren’t meant to mention the Waratahs and salary cap in the same sentence… hush, hush!
October 31st 2012 @ 10:00am
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:00am | Report comment
I know bugger all about the guy, apart from his connection with Randwick. I can only hope.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:26am
Wilson said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Yeah when is that going to get sorted, it has gone very quiet? Or is that just going to get swept under the rug by the NSW dominated ARU? If this was the Force it would be on the back page of the SMH until it was addressed and they were hung out to dry. Pretty damning when you are fudging the salary cap and still getting no results. No wonder the fans are dark. At least the Melbourne storm won premierships while doing the dodge.
October 31st 2012 @ 11:00am
Mantis said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
I dont think there was this much hype about Jake White coming to ACT, which is undoubtedly a bigger appointment
October 31st 2012 @ 11:16am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Thats because the ARU-NSWRU-SMH cheersquad only notice the Brumbies twice a year, when they are playing the Waratahs.
If the Waratahs appointed a coach of JW calibre the SMH would be talking about it non-stop.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
The SMH is a Sydney paper and the Tahs are Sydney’s team. Which team do you expect the SMH to focus on?
October 31st 2012 @ 12:13pm
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
The problem is that is the only thing the ARU people (who all live in Sydney) read. The Daily Telegraph (also a Sydney paper) gives the non-Sydney NRL teams decent coverage, unfortunetly is gives Union next to no coverage.
October 31st 2012 @ 1:54pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
The union coverage is awful anyway. The SMH had Growden as “chief rugby correspondent”, a title he needed to garner some respect. It didn’t work. The quality of the writing should do that for you.
You look either in the Australian or the NZ papers for decent rugby coverage. Growden represented all that was bad about Sydney and Australian rugby journalism.
October 31st 2012 @ 10:27pm
Bakkies said | October 31st 2012 @ 10:27pm | Report comment
The papers still get sold in the ACT. Though the ACT readership base is small it’s not entirely irrelevant.
October 31st 2012 @ 11:21am
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
This Waratahs need time argument has been trotted out from day one, which is why the Tah’s are in their 16th year of the three year plan.
McKenzie and White (and indeed Des Hasler at the Dogs) have all shown that a great coach can start getting good results from Day 1. All this talk of cycles and planning for the future is a smokescreen. If three-year-plans worked then Melbourne and Carlton would have made this years AFL final.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:15pm
Willie T Soak said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
I agree, 16 years is thirteen years too much. China use 25 year plans, so Warathas should win in 2021. Hope Im still around and the bottle dont get me first. It will give the coach time to develop some centres that can make a break and set up tries
October 31st 2012 @ 11:37am
bemnnalong said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
The Tahs forewards were unfit and suffering from a malaise I have yet to understand but they were never the problem
They outplayed most foreward packs for extended periods in the first half but the failure of the backline to get across the gain line seemed to take the resolve out of them
The bias on display here above is something you take for granted if you’re a NSW fan but it gets really boring when it affects people to the extent they can’t see another possible reality
Ben Robinson, for example, has also had some personal issues but it’s no accident his return to form has coincided in improved performance from the Wallaby scrum (which James Slipper was unable to match)
October 31st 2012 @ 11:59am
Red Kev said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
It’s just a shame the best loosehead in Australia in Greg Holmes was not given the chance to take his spot. Robinson certainly did improve (a lot) in the second half of the Rugby Championship, and no question he was better than Slipper, but I have my doubts that he’d've outsted Holmes if he had been given a chance.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:09pm
Go_the_Wannbe's said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
Obviously he doesn’t play for the Tah’s.
You double your chances of selection if you do.
5 votes on the ARU board for NSW, 3? for Qld and bugger all for anyone else. No wonder the Tah’s get the inside running.
Hopefully the ARU governance review will sort this out – fast – before it becomes a bigger farce than it already is.
Bring back reward for form – crazy talk I know – but someone’s got to put it out there!
October 31st 2012 @ 1:48pm
sittingbison said | October 31st 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
its because he got a kick up the bum by being dropped to the bench instead of heading to the bench after 20mins for a breather
October 31st 2012 @ 4:00pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
He didn’t improve so much, he got fitter. He shouldn’t have been picked till his fitness was at the required levels.
October 31st 2012 @ 12:15pm
Chris said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
The funny thing is that the Tahs can spend all the time they want rigging ARU boards, and strongarming their players into Wallaby spots, and they still can’t win anything.
It’s a pity Australian rugby has to suffer for it though.
The Wallabies were at their strongest when McQueen was only picking from the Canberra-hinterland and Queensland.
October 31st 2012 @ 5:10pm
Pillock said | October 31st 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Chris, nothing like cold hard facts to settle the argument. Can you imagine the crap that McQueen would have had to put up with to get Geo Smith & Larkham selected against the Tahs crew?
You can see the same crap starting again now where people are talking up the new coach as the answer to everyone prayers and that as long as the Tahs team bus arrives on time they will win. With any luck there will be a change of attitude however seems like the same old same old.
October 31st 2012 @ 11:50pm
bennalong said | October 31st 2012 @ 11:50pm | Report comment
And who called you a Pilloch?
October 31st 2012 @ 12:15pm
Jagman said | October 31st 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Firstly regarding the Chiefs, between Sona and Sonny Bill 14 tries were scored and I’d hate to think how many try and line-break assists. I’m sure they’ll do well next year but losing these two has got to hurt.
The Waratahs have the advantage of having their entire starting pack at the wallabies plus Ryan. Their starting 8 will be in the match day 22/23 of every test barring injury and so they are all playing together essentially. This has to be a bonus for Cheika but he will have to build on how they play for the Wallabies rather than moulding them his own way.
October 31st 2012 @ 2:00pm
jameswm said | October 31st 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
I just wish the Tahs had a strong halves combo and someone who can coach the backs to run straight, support and put the ball in front of the man.
Maybe Foley and Hart can form a strong halves combo, I can only hope. If Turner, Mitchell, Pakalani, AAC, KIngston and Betham stay fit, there’s certainly firepoer out wide to match the strong pack. I just have no faith that they can put it together, though I hope my pessimism is not justified.