On the undercard: Quade Cooper vs ARU
By Elisha Pearce, 20 Nov 2012 Elisha Pearce is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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Suspended Queensland Reds player Quade Cooper carries the water. AAP Image/Dan Peled
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At the ARU head office, nestled in the leafy surrounds of St. Leonards, Quade Cooper is not a popular man. He isn’t the guy who will tow the party line on every occasion.
He also makes the mistakes like saying what he thinks, and retaining an awful manager.
Unfortunately for the ARU, and the traditional rugby fraternity, Cooper is also one of the better players in a country where locals love to fall back on the lack of ‘cattle’ excuse at every opportunity.
So, well done to the ARU. You’ve managed to cut off a talented exponent of the game while also alienating the young fan base.
Is there anything else you expected to achieve out of this “negotiation is an extension of punishment” fiasco?
Don’t kid yourself that the Wallabies and Reds are going to miraculously be better teams because he isn’t available anymore.
Cooper is, in fact, such a good number 10 that Robbie Deans put the career of Matt Giteau on ice once he saw Cooper step around some nice blocking, twirl around another defender and save Australia’s bacon against Italy in 2008.
There is no one else in Australia that can turn a match as well as Cooper can, short of Will Genia.
Let’s follow this thought further.
One of the shortcomings of Deans is that he isn’t often proactive when promoting talent. He often waits for an incumbent is injured before turning to the younger, more talented option. However Cooper is one of the instances where Deans was willing to make a proactive swap.
People watching Super Rugby knew that selecting Nick Cummins would be a benefit to the Wallabies. It took around two years of injuries, including a shocking experiment with Cooper Vuna, before Deans had to select Cummins.
A few other ex-forwards on The Roar often lament at Deans inability to pick the best props in the land and balance them with good bench options and substitutions. Deans will favour the incumbent almost every single time.
Even Deans couldn’t pretend Cooper wasn’t good enough. Soon after the Italy showing he was the preferred option at 10.
This mess echoes an article I wrote earlier while the “toxic environment” comments were reverberating around as if Cooper had burnt an Australian flag and posted photos on twitter of him kissing a silver fern. I talked about how rugby management has an inability to manage high profile players.
Quade Cooper was rightly punished for his outlandish remarks made through the wrong avenue of communication. He was fined and banned.
The ban lost some of its lustre because he was injured, however that was a known factor when they determined a correct punishment. It was also reported that the fine he received was the highest in the history of the game.
In comparison we have the case of Kurtley Beale who had to settle an assault case out of court. Quade Cooper pressed send on a micro-blogging platform that echoed the sentiments of not just himself but a number of Wallabies. Keeping the lack of fine for Beale in mind while assessing Cooper’s punishment shows he’s been hit fairly hard for his admitted miss-deeds.
Moving along to the contract situation – which does play out against the backdrop of his outburst and punishment – and we see some very strange behaviour by the ARU.
Cooper has been offered a contract that is incentive based from the ARU side of the table. This is ludicrious.
Really, there are only two reasons for this sort of contract offer. Either the ARU wanted to give Cooper a reason to leave the game without actually firing him, or they want to start make incentive contracts a regular occurrence for Wallabies players.
The first reason is chicken, low and I hope for our game as a whole that isn’t the reason they negotiated that way. If the ARU doesn’t want to retain Cooper’s services they should fire him, tell the supporters of the game why and let everyone move on. It doesn’t seem logical.
I don’t see why the ARU needs to rub Cooper from the game. So I hope this tactic isn’t in play.
Cooper did some silly things, but they aren’t really more than that. He was punished fairly strongly for them as well so it should now be for the ARU to resume normal business as a management team, not some sort of mortally wounded partner.
Looking at the second reason provides more room to label the tactic as something other than low and cowardly, but doesn’t paint a pretty picture either.
Cooper has admittedly come off a long term injury that may affect his worth to the game over the long term. For that reasons a slightly revised contract would be understandable. But to break tradition with almost every other contract offered is a slight on the player.
I believe incentive payments are the way forward for the ARU to manage money well in the future. This change needs to be done with clear communication it is the way forward and with structures in place to enable the Super Rugby teams to pay players a bit more of a base salary.
Put it this way: if Cooper deserves to be only on incentive payments because of his injury then Drew Mitchell, Wycliffe Palu, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Stephen Moore, Will Genia, Berrick Barnes and others all have injury problems that would put them in the same boat as Cooper. They should be on similar contracts.
If Barnes, Palu or Polota-Nau earn $1 of guaranteed money in their payments then the ARU has botched this completely.
If the reported contract offer is accurate we are left with the ARU punishing Cooper further than they decided to in their hearing and trying to flush him out of the game. And the alternative is a strange coincidence that incentive-based contracts are the way forward and that the first botched attempt at doing it with a player in his prime was Quade Cooper.
So: is the ARU the spurned girlfriend, or the bumbling accountant?
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November 20th 2012 @ 11:58am
Uncle Argyle said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
I tend to agree with you. Cooper is worth more to the ARU than incentive payments; and if it is true as you say that this offering from the ARU is a further punishment for Quade’s recent outburst then its underhanded and cowardly. However the crux of this matter is Cooper. He has put himself in this position and only he can get himself out of it. Now its a fork in the road moment and he needs to choose wisely as this next decision will be life altering and the manner in which he conducts himself will be his legacy for many years to come.
Quade Cooper is the Dirk Diggler of Australian Rugby. He is really only good at one thing! And it ain’t speaking. As Dirk’s music career failed to launch I think Quade would not excel in European or Japanese Rugby. Whilst coin might be OK – who cares for him? Who knows him? Cooper is a big fish in small pond Brisbane and he adores the attention. Furthermore he is revered by the Queensland public when he takes to Suncorp Stadium in that Red jumper. He gets paid $400,000 alone to do that. This should be his launching paid to re-invent himself as a Wallaby player. Circle the wagons Quade don’t burn them!
Now the lesson in this for Cooper is life ain’t fair and the ARU don’t owe you a cent. Its the free market and that’s what on offer. Just accept that and get on with it. Prove them wrong. Back up your chat – you actually have the ability. However the true test of a person is to watch what they do, don’t listen to what they say – often they are poles apart. If Quade stays his equity in Queensland will go up and put him in a space where he can get back into the international game. If he walks then he loses with Queensland fans and Australian fans. He will be just a flash in the pan – nothing.
Its a character defining period for Quade.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:11pm
Spencer said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Well said Uncle!
Queenslanders take care of their own, and if QC sacrifices and stays with the Reds he will be in a rare space.
You always have a knack of getting to the heart of the issue. Have a Shiraz on me.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:56pm
Uncle Argyle said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
Mate I will but I still feel like the carpet of Cafe Neon circa 1993 after a session and a half over the weekend. God its good to beat England! However rest assured I will be having a few tomorrow at Coldplay!
Cheers!
November 20th 2012 @ 11:29pm
Armchair Sportsfan said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:29pm | Report comment
Cafe Neon reference…GOLD.
November 20th 2012 @ 11:35pm
Swiftly said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:35pm | Report comment
Double gold
November 20th 2012 @ 2:15pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
I hope that Cooper circles the wagons too mate. Hope he buckles down and plays people off the park next year for the Reds, even if he doesn’t sign an ARU contract. I wouldn’t be that upset. I still watch all the Reds games.
As for single trick. You are kinda right if we admit that ‘attack’ in all the different ways he does is a single trick.
However, in the games he played upon return to rugby last year his defence was improved on the year before. It would be great if that wasn’t a single year uptick.
November 20th 2012 @ 4:19pm
sittingbison said | November 20th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
Elisha, he cannot play for the Reds without signing the ARU contract. He must be available for Wallaby selection.
November 20th 2012 @ 10:58pm
barbz said | November 20th 2012 @ 10:58pm | Report comment
Could Quade play in Japan this off-season and then play for the Reds as their Marquee signing? (Have they used it?) Wouldn’t this be a great ‘up yours from the QRU to the ARU?
November 20th 2012 @ 11:50pm
Morgan said | November 20th 2012 @ 11:50pm | Report comment
Brilliant comment, nothing more to say, you have captured the very essence of the situation and the moment for Quade. I too really hope he stays and works his way back into contention. Sooner or later Deans will be gone and Ewen will be coaching the Wallabies. So if Quade plays it smart and long, he can make it back. He needs to pull his head in, close his twitter account and play lots of awesome solid rugby, but as you say, he can do it. What a story Quade’s career will then be.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:08pm
ncart said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
He has been fined for making the comments so that should be the end of it. Contract offers should look at what he can bring to the game, and while I think there have been some silly decisions made at times, he brings a lot to the game through his skills and certainly has been a big part of the Reds improvements over the last few years and as a result their supporter growth.
I hope that wise heads can prevail and they can get him back, this might all be a bit of negotiating in public to achieve a result. Let him recover properly from injury and utilise his skills for the good of the game – if he wants to box why not let him – you are not likely to break a leg boxing, more likely to get really sore but very fit from the preparation.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:20pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
I am with you there ncart. A contract is about what he’s worth to the game. I’d have to believe that Cooper, even if he doesn’t win every single game for the Wallabies next year is worth as much as people like Palu or Polota-Nau who are injured as often as they’re available.
November 20th 2012 @ 5:37pm
Handles said | November 20th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
Trouble is that unless he makes himself available for the Wallabies, he can’t play for the Reds. If he makes himself available for the Wallabies, he will have to give up his other moeny-making requests, boxing and Japan. They are going to screw him.
November 20th 2012 @ 5:50pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
I still can’t understand why the ARU wouldn’t let him box – they aren’t out of pocket and someone punches him in the face – win win.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:17pm
garth said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Iwould say more the spurned girlfriend. The ARU, and I include Deans in that, have bent over backwards to accomodate Cooper. They have helped him out of serious crimianal charges in the past, and earlier this year offered him a lucrative “top-up” contract to go with the one he recieved from the QRU. He and his agent dithered over signing, issued vague (and not so vague) threats about departing for League, European/Japanese rugby or (big laugh here) Boxing, and then went on a multi-media rant about poor little me, the big, bad ARU and their coach don’t get/like me, toxic-enviroment-in-team so I won’t play for them rant.
The ARU has obviously had enough of his misbehavior, tantrums and insults. Combined with his erratic talent & skill set, this new contract is the result.
If Quade Cooper doesn’t like it, tough. He can go cry to his agent, who is at least as guilty as Cooper in this saga. And the Queensland Rugby Union (& their fan base) should a: get over it, b: lay the blame with Cooper & Nasser and c: refuse to negotiate with anyone who has Khoder Nasser as an agent.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:44pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
All too true though try telling that to some here!
Your point on the other thread that the tweets may have been a miscalculated tactic by Nasser to force the ARU to increase Cooper’s original contract is very perceptive, and quite possibly true as well.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Cooper and his agent did not dither, they raised specific issues regarding the direction of the wallabies, the current coaching structure and team environment (focussing on ignoring any input from the playmaker into the gameplan), and injury management and then refused to sign away his life for three years until he heard what the ARU was going to do about it.
They did nothing.
Then Deans trotted out his pathetic “Cooper is not ready” for Bledisloe 1 before handing him the 10 jersey a week later in the hardest rugby match any team can face (the ABs at Eden Park).
I don’t see any bending over backwards there. I see stubborn old men intimidated by someone who isn’t afraid to back himself.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:53pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
‘Cooper and his agent did not dither, they raised specific issues regarding the direction of the wallabies, the current coaching structure and team environment (focussing on ignoring any input from the playmaker into the gameplan), and injury management and then refused to sign away his life for three years until he heard what the ARU was going to do about it.’
Really? Did you listen in to Khoder Nasser questioning the direction of the Wallabies and its injury management with John O’Neill and Michael Hawker?
November 20th 2012 @ 2:20pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
No more than you listened to Nasser advising Cooper to do this and that as you have posted about 2 dozen times in the last 24 hours. I choose to believe that these issues were raised during negotiations because they were reported on in the press BEFORE the ‘toxic’ comment and the code of conduct punishment.
You just like to conduct conspiracy theories that Nasser is some sort of puppet master.
November 21st 2012 @ 2:50pm
garth said | November 21st 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
Nasser has a preference for short one year or less contracts. SBW is a prime example of this & one reason I hope he never plays for the AB’s again, he would just be taking up someone else’s spot. And I see a group of men who are fed up to the back teeth with the spoiled brat antics of an overpaid, erratic show-pony & his Don King wannabe agent.
November 20th 2012 @ 8:30pm
Justin2 said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:30pm | Report comment
It can easily be argued that the ARU are merely reaping what they sewed.
Look at Beale and JoC, the three of them have got away with murder and I still to this day believe JoC has shown more disrespect to the jersey than anyone with his little “too hung over, shagging some mole” effort of missing the World Cup announcement.
Young blokes, earning a fortune, traveling the world with little guidance. Geez I was just a mug doing the same thing!!!
November 20th 2012 @ 1:30pm
nickoldschool said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Question: have we ever had 14 articles (union) in the same day?!! Gotta be a record no?
Re- article; when it comes to incentive payment from the ARU, I believe all players should have the same contract. Big names are able to make more money through sponsorship, their clubs etc but wearing the wallabies jersey should not be up to negotiation. Whether you are a prop, lock or fancy n10, you should get the same amount of money from your federation. For me, that’s rugby, team spirit and mateship. Plus it would Bring some transparency. That sends the wrong message to players and encourage some to promote their brands etc. not good.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:03pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Do you think this is a well planned way to introduce incentivised payments Nickoldschool?
As I said, I agree with the notion of that contract structure too. I may tier them somewhat, but ultimately the players should get the bulk of their pay from Super Rugby I think.
However this is a really, really weird way to try and do that. I doubt the players union will be happy with the way this contract was played by the ARU. They probably won’t defend Cooper in public though.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:20pm
nickoldschool said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Agree that the bulk of their pay should be from SR, sponsors etc. The involvement that federations have in players contracts in the SH is very foreign to me and I still think they are far too involved. It has it’s good sides like player retention etc but the fact that some players can get deals and others not is wrong IMO.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:32pm
onside said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
On the undercard: Quade Cooper vs ARU
ARU win by TKO (in the umpteenth)
Sponsors can now advertise on the soles of QC’s shoes
November 20th 2012 @ 1:37pm
Spencer said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
The ARU haven’t made any public statements, and nor has QC or his management. All we have is Danny Weidler, a part time journalist/gossip columnist with a rumour.
Elisha has articulated a clear logical analysis. Copper broke a CoC rule, there was a hearing and QC was punished. Surely that is the end of that chapter. Which leaves us with the options as Elisha presented; if the ARU has offered an incentive only contract then it is either a further punitive measure, or a change in remuneration policy. If it is the former then they should be sued. If it is a change in remuneration policy, then they had better document it, gain agreement with RUPA, and show consistency, otherwise they will be sued.
This is such a sad situation for Rugby in Australia. John Eales is now on the Board of the ARU, and is a self proclaimed LEADERSHIP consultant. Come on John…get this right!
QC owns such a large part of the younger rugby support base, and if QC leaves, then the ARU is shooting themselves in the foot.
I am a supporter of the Reds and Wallabies, and have been watching both since 1978. I have followed QCs career since his first match at Lang Park against the Chiefs (that was a disaster for QC). I will be both saddened, and angry if the ARU – Michael Hawker, John Eales, David Nucifora & co. force him out of Rugby.
I think QC should sign the ARU offer, play for the Reds (I am sure some extra 3rd party packages can be organized), and then continue to refuse to play for Australia until the Mumbler has been sent away, no doubt with a huge payout. JON has wasted so much money on RD, and there will be more to come.
November 20th 2012 @ 6:58pm
PM said | November 20th 2012 @ 6:58pm | Report comment
1. He cannot sign the ARU offer and refuse to play for the wallabies
2. To do the above achieves nothing and puts him in the same predicament he finds himself now due to his similar actions to date, specifically indicating that he is not prepared to don the wallabies guernsey.
3. If he is a man, believes in his ability and WANTS to be a wallaby he should back his ability and sign the contract.
4. The above point is I believe the message the ARU board are sending, back yourself to redeem yourself, and prove your hungry and deserve to represent Australia.
5. I acknowledge his ability but he has not achieved his full potential and has carried on like a dickhead and their is no “I” in team, a shame on both counts
November 20th 2012 @ 1:44pm
DT said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
That’d be ‘toe the line’.
I understand all the tradition, pride in the jersey and doing it for the team mentality…what seems clear to me is that Cooper has all these in spades for Queensland but not, apparently, the Wallabies. What’s the difference?
Yes it was intemperate for him to use social media to comment on his employers’ methods but maybe, as has been suggested, that’s because his concerns had been given short shrift during earlier contract negotiations.
Those of you with Foxtel may have seen The Code, a documentary about how the Reds resurrected their playing and financial fortunes. Modern-day, pro-active marketing, player development and management etc etc. People like Ewen McKenzie, Rod McCall, Anthony Herbert et al…who appear to have a “new school” approach to business and the people who work in it (ie the players).
Contrast that with JON, Robbie Deans and Michael Hawker. JON is a generation older, while Deans and Hawker appear very ‘old school ‘ (Hawker’s business history would suggest that).
The fact that the ARU offered him a rookie contract after already fining him seems to suggest they can’t deal with him and want him gone.
Cooper’s personal issues aside, he puts bums on seats, he is a good ambassador to the fans, he will get better as a test player…yet the ARU is prepared to lose him to the game.
Talk about inflexible. I’m not saying these youngsters should be treated with kid gloves, but the failure of the ARU to effectively deal with Cooper when QRU has no such problems seems to indicate as much blame rests with the ARU as Cooper.
It’s the same Quade Cooper….one coaching team brings out his best, the other can’t cope.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:55pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
DT you may note that Super rugby and international level are not actually the same, and breaking down international defenses is far harder and much more game control is needed. This may explain Cooper’s failings at the higher level.
November 20th 2012 @ 3:25pm
stillatragic said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Maybe the Australian scrum shoulders some of the blame – neither Genia or Cooper get good service from their forwards at Test level.
November 21st 2012 @ 2:29am
hoqni said | November 21st 2012 @ 2:29am | Report comment
Really, I thought that Genia receives crisp and sweet passes 11 out of 10 times.
November 21st 2012 @ 2:29am
hoqni said | November 21st 2012 @ 2:29am | Report comment
Really, I thought that Genia receives crisp and sweet passes 11 out of 10 times.
November 20th 2012 @ 8:32pm
Justin2 said | November 20th 2012 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
And what about his success’? Considering the record of the Wallabies I firmly believe that he succeeds more than he fails, just his fails have been more spectacular…
November 21st 2012 @ 12:00am
AJH said | November 21st 2012 @ 12:00am | Report comment
Kingplaymaker, I bet some of the strong SR sides would show up some of the test sides. The problem has been that Deans is hopeless and does not select well, promotes a consevative negative style, and does not match strategy with selections. You would not pick Cooper at 10 for dull defense orientated Rugby and pair him up with the worst centre in living memory – McCabe. Gee I would hey the Reds would teach the Wallabies a lesson in Rugby. I would also think it would be interesting if the Tahs were in the same position as the Reds – whether the QC issue would have been handled differently.
There is a lot that the ARU need get in order – the contract negotiations are woeful. Gee it would be refreshing to see the Wallsbies managed in the same way the Reds are. I would be confident that fans would be witnessing a Wallaby side challenging the ABs and seeing some decent attacking Rugby. We also would not be caught up in this negative crap circling the ARU and everything would be on the up.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Christo the Daddyo said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
“Cooper’s personal issues aside, he puts bums on seats, he is a good ambassador to the fans, he will get better as a test player…yet the ARU is prepared to lose him to the game.”
But you CAN’T put his personal issues aside, he is certainly NOT a good ambassador to the fans and there is no guarantee he will get better as a test player.
The ARU has actually offered him a contract that (if he performs well) still gets him several hundred thousand dollars a year. Under the circumstances I think the ARU has been very generous. It’s now up to Cooper to decide whether he is man enough to accept the offer or not.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Spencer said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
“….he is certainly NOT a good ambassador to the fans..”.
That is simply untrue. He does an enormous amount of community work in Queesland. Do some reseach please, instead of trotting out tired old gossip.
November 21st 2012 @ 2:31am
hoqni said | November 21st 2012 @ 2:31am | Report comment
Ha ha, Neutral fans are now ordering Boks jerseys for 2013. It is your choice ARU.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:16pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
He is actually a very good ambassador to the fans. I suggest you go and educate yourself as to the hours he spends talking to them, signing autographs, communicating over twitter with them, going to clinics and passing the footy or playing touch with the fans.
November 20th 2012 @ 5:41pm
Handles said | November 20th 2012 @ 5:41pm | Report comment
He is an outstanding ambassador. Kids love him. I would bet 70% of under 12 rugby kids in Queensland would name him as their favourite player. He does huge amounts of fan engagement… yes, some of it is on that nasty social media stuff that none of us over 40 really understand, but it works. He played about 3 games of Super Rugby last year, and was stll a finalist in the Fan Favourite award.
November 20th 2012 @ 7:43pm
GWS said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:43pm | Report comment
Not just qld. Nsw too. Especially away from the northeastern Sydney tahs
November 21st 2012 @ 3:00am
Neuen said | November 21st 2012 @ 3:00am | Report comment
Do you consider him to be a good role model? That is what kids look for and what them to play rugby. Just ask NZ thanks to guys like Michael Jones and Umaga they have Pacific Islanders that wants to play for AB. But not many wanted to be a Mulliana due to his off field troubles.
November 21st 2012 @ 5:10am
Justin2 said | November 21st 2012 @ 5:10am | Report comment
Kids don’t give a rats azz about role models, parents who can’t do their job properly and who need someone to blame do. You deny the truth when it’s smacking you in the head…
November 20th 2012 @ 1:50pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
Sorry Elisha, while I agree on Cooper’s abilities as a player, his behaviour in making those comments was outrageous and no governing body in the world would put up with it.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:11pm
Post said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Way to completely miss the point KPM. I forget that Deans and the ARU can do no wrong.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Just as the truth is a defence against libel and slander in defamation cases, so too does it protect whistleblowers.
Cooper broke the code of conduct he signed and deserved some punishment, but he was also right. So is Campo. The Wallabies are up the creek and Deans is the black sucking vortex killing off the Wallabies brand whereas Cooper is the bright light bringing the game to the next generation.
I sincerely hope my assessment is correct (or rather Jim Tucker’s idea is actually right) that Cooper is topping up his paycheque with boxing, the ARU are letting him (so as not to alienate the QRU and at least a third of their supporter base).
November 20th 2012 @ 3:39pm
Wolfie said | November 20th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
“Deans is the black sucking vortex killing off the Wallabies brand whereas Cooper is the bright light bringing the game to the next generation”
Wow. RK it’s clear you’re passionate about Quade but seriously? Perhaps cool it on the hyperbole
No doubt there are some positive aspects to retaining QC (fan appeal, S15 form, razzle dazzle) but for you to hold him up as a beacon of virtue for the game is misguided at best. He is an ambassador for Qld rugby but with his list of infractions a pretty ordinary role model as a whole.
Let someone smack him around in the ring, make him work the proverbial off to get back into form and earn his money and send a message that no-one is bigger than the game. I personally would rather have one Nick Cummins, with his passion and desire, than a whole team of Coopers with attitude problems.
November 21st 2012 @ 8:20pm
AndyS said | November 21st 2012 @ 8:20pm | Report comment
C’mon RK, just like Julian Assange is fine because everything he stuck up on his site was the truth…..?
Whistleblowers don’t just go back to work. If they are lucky, they trade info for immunity and then fade away forever trailing clouds of self-righteousness. If not, things end badly.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
They didn’t put up with it KPM. They fined him and gave him a ban. If that wasn’t enough punishment for his behaviour when why didn’t they punish him further?
If you think this is an extension of the preivous punishment then its a very underhanded way to resolve the situation and everyone involved in that action should be ashamed.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:41pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
As someone else said two parts of the same punishment.
I think it’s a great shame as Cooper is a wonderful player in my eyes but no organisation can be made a mockery of like that and accept it. They have actually dealt with him softly.
RK it’s irrelevant who the coach is, no player can criticise him like that and expect to continue playing, while no governing body can accept a coach they appointed being attacked in public like that.
Cooper made this miscalculation, or maybe Nasser did, the consequences were obvious and they are simply being worked out logically.
Quite clear.
Finally, why shouldn’t the ARU lower the offer made to him given what he has done for his 1 million this year? Are they paying him to publicly undermine the coach, team, governing body, while being out of form or injured?
November 20th 2012 @ 1:45pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
It is irrelevant WHO the coach is, it is not irrelevant that the coach is terrible and that Cooper’s comments were accurate.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
If RK, the coach in question were Michael Foley, who in my opinion is the most abominable cataclysm of a diabolical coach conceivable, I would still advocate the NSW bosses firing any player who said what Cooper said in public.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Red Kev said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
And you’d be wrong both times – congratulations.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:52pm
kingplaymaker said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Wrong in your view, which isn’t in fact divine revelation, in case you thought it was.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:00pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
They haven’t fired him KPM, thats the problem. They are just negotiating like upset lovers that have been spurned. This isn’t a firing KPM this is a botched negotiation. If they were firing him they’d fire him, unless they were too soft to openly do it.
November 20th 2012 @ 7:50pm
GWS said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
So you’d eat a steamer and smile then. Not stand up and declare this deal stinks.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Lower the offer? Do you mean remove any guaranteed cash from the offer?
And thats the point two parts to the same punishment – if thats the case then the ARU need to be clear this is the case. It’s not a big bank where you can rub someone out and barely a ripple is caused. This is a not-for-profit national insitution and you are rubbing out one of the high profile players. You can’t just do that under the table and pretend it’s ok not to explain it.
November 20th 2012 @ 7:47pm
GWS said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
The aru is a mockery. A fat stinking mockery. If it stinks when u step on it then u probably know what it is. At least qc had the guts to call it as he smelt it
November 20th 2012 @ 9:07pm
benn of paddo said | November 20th 2012 @ 9:07pm | Report comment
Please dude.. I mean your joking when you say that. are you interested in any sports outside of our country? The nba mlb nfl la liga epl nhl have all sorts of strong individuals who have said much worse than poor quade. Kingplaymaker I’m not having a go but that was the most ridiculous statements I figure most people I hope would have read.
November 20th 2012 @ 1:54pm
Christo the Daddyo said | November 20th 2012 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
“So, well done to the ARU. You’ve managed to cut off a talented exponent of the game while also alienating the young fan base.”
Well, he cut himself off in reality. Under the circumstances I think the ARU did everything it could. Punished him and offered him a reduced contract. If Cooper was man enough he would accept his punishment, take the contact on offer (which still gets him several hundred thousand dollars a year let’s be clear), and prove himself to the ARU, his team-mates, the general public and most importantly, to himself.
That way he (assuming he’s good enough) would be in a great position to re-negotiate his next contract.
November 20th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Elisha Pearce said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
If it’s incentive based, its not a reduced contract, its a contract if you’re lucky.
Why isn’t Palu or Polota-Nau on a reduced contract?
November 20th 2012 @ 7:52pm
GWS said | November 20th 2012 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
Or more importantly rd?
November 20th 2012 @ 5:44pm
Handles said | November 20th 2012 @ 5:44pm | Report comment
You are so right. He should have been punished, something like copping a HUGE fine, a suspension, going on TV and admitting he was in the wrong, and apologising….
um, hang on a minute…
November 20th 2012 @ 2:13pm
Jeff said | November 20th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
I bet you he walks Uncle !!!!
November 20th 2012 @ 4:47pm
Uncle Argyle said | November 20th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
How much?