Wales vs All Blacks: Live score updates
By Phil Bird, 25 Nov 2012 Phil Bird is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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New Zealand's Piri Weepu (centre) stands as he leads the Haka before the start of the match. AAP Photos
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Wales Vs. New Zealand |
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2012 New Zealand Tour of Europe, 25 November, 2012 |
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| Millennium Stadium, Cardiff | ||
| New Zealand 33 defeated Wales 10 | ||
| Wales | New Zealand | |
| 10 | FINAL SCORE | 33 |
| 2 | TRIES | 3 |
| 0/2 | CONVERSION KICKS | 3/3 |
| 0/0 | PENALTY GOALS | 4/4 |
| 0/0 | DROP GOAL | 0/0 |
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| Referee: C Joubert |
| Touch judges: J Garces & G Garner |
The All Blacks take on Wales for the third Test of their European tour, starting at 4.15am AEDT this morning. Join us on The Roar for live scores and comments as the game is played from Millennium Stadium, Cardiff.
Generations ago, the Welsh famously defeated the mighty All Blacks. The year was 1953, the scene was their National Stadium, and the score was 13-8.
Victory against the Kiwis has eluded the Red Dragons in the 60 years since.
This is not a shameful statistic – throughout this period the All Blacks have only been defeated by five teams: the Wallabies (31), Springboks (25), France (12), British and Irish Lions (5) and England (5).
The historical average score between these two nations is 30-10 overall and 34-20 at Millennium Stadium, both results heavily in favour of the New Zealanders.
For the Welsh however the statistic that must be sitting like a hangover on a weekday is their most recent: zero wins from their last five matches, including losses to Argentina and Samoa.
Adding to the pain, prior to this run of poor form the Welsh had enjoyed domination of the northern hemisphere, with a clean sweep of Ireland, Scotland, England, Italy and France.
It’s evident the Welsh struggle against rugby union’s ‘new world’. Historically they enjoy a 57 percent win record against northern hemisphere teams, while against southern hemisphere nations, including minnows such as Fiji and Samoa, they endure a miserly 27 percent success rate.
A curious stat, given their expansive game play resembles the southern hemisphere’s way of doing things.
On to Sunday and the Welsh will be looking to achieve what no team in the world has been able to do this year: defeat the All Blacks steamroller.
Welsh coach Warren Gatland was moved to comment this week. “This New Zealand team is one of the best rugby sides to have ever played the game, and probably the best All Blacks team ever, so it will be a privilege to be able to test ourselves against them,” Gatland said.
“Memories of the Rugby World Cup last year and touring New Zealand the previous summer are still fresh in the mind of many of the players and staff.
“The hospitality shown and the way we were looked after made the experience especially memorable, and that makes it all the more special that we have the opportunity to face the best side in the world at the moment in Cardiff.”
This is a rare gushing from Gatland, who is normally keen to play down the mythical beast that is the All Blacks.
Changes to his team include a start for centre Jonathan Davies, second rower Luke Charteris, hooker Matthew Rees and flyhalf Rhys Priestland.
Most notably, flanker and captain Sam Warbutron gets a start, and will be looking to put recent poor form behind him for this massive game.
Local reports have it the man wouldn’t be starting if it weren’t for sentiment; such is his lack of influence of late. Yet he’s a big game player and this is a big game.
From the visitor’s camp, Steve Hansen has wheeled in his big guns, with Dan Carter and Richie McCaw both starting.
Ma’a Nonu and Conrad Smith get the romance back in the midfield and Cory Jane replaces Hosea Gear, who had a fairly average game last week against Italy.
Julian Savea gets another guernsey, and notably Israel Dagg is back, after taking a week off due to a bruising injury against Scotland. He was missed against Italy, with fill-in fullback Beauden Barrett doing enough without being spectacular.
The chat from the Welsh coaching staff has been generous, New Zealand coach Steve Hansen was equally sentimental:
“We have always known this game will be a fiercely contested match,” Hansen said.
“The Welsh team in the last 12 months have been Grand Slam winners and 2011 Rugby World Cup semi-finalists and we have known since the World Cup that this would be the game that they would be targeting in this Autumn Series, so any recent performances or results won’t have any bearing on this match.”
Whichever way you spin it, the All Blacks’ coaching staff will be expecting a massive display from their men after the staccato affair against Italy last week. The cannons are loaded and ready.
If the Welsh pull off an upset for the ages, expect the pubs to run dry.
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Game Information
TeamsWales
1 Paul James
2 Matthew Rees
3 Aaron Jarvis
4 Bradley Davies
5 Luke Charteris
6 Ryan Jones
7 Sam Warburton
8 Toby Faletau
9 Mike Phillips
10 Rhys Priestland
11 Lloyd Williams
12 Jamie Roberts
13 Johnathan Davies
14 Alex Cuthbert
15 Leigh Halfpenny
Replacements
16 Ken Owens
17 Gethin Jenkins
18 Scott Andrews
19 Aaron Shingler
20 Justin Tipuric
21 Tavis Knoyle
22 James Hook
23 Scott Williams
All Blacks
1 Tony Woodcock
2 Andrew Hore
3 Owen Franks
4 Luke Romano
5 Sam Whitelock
6 Liam Messam
7 Richard McCaw
8 Kieran Read
9 Aaron Smith
10 Daniel Carter
11 Julian Savea
12 Ma'a Nonu
13 Conrad Smith
14 Cory Jane
15 Israel Dagg
Replacements
16 Dane Coles
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Charlie Faumuina
19 Brodie Retallick
20 Victor Vito
21 Piri Weepu
22 Aaron Cruden
23 Ben Smith
Kick-Off: 4.15am AEDT
Venue: Millenium Stadium, Cardiff
Referee: Craig Joubert
Last Time: Wales 24-37 All Blacks
History: New Zealand 25, Wales 3, Draws 0
Betting: $10 Wales, $1.03 All Blacks
TV: Setanta Sports (LIVE)
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2:21pm
Richard Anderson said | 2:21pm | Report comment
No doubt that the ABs are playing at a level that we in the NH cant match( nor the SH) . They took the foot off after half time, prob tired after a long season and had the game won, but they play bad by their standards and STILL WIN. They do this often, god help England if they turn on all the switches. We should learn to play at their level and quit moaning over periphial(?) issues.
8:49am
Tigranes said | 8:49am | Report comment
Hopefully that is Hore’s last game in the Black jersey – that was a gutless act…I guess you cant expect too much from a bloke who shoots seals…
7:07am
Colin N said | 7:07am | Report comment
This is apparently a quote said from Steve Hansen today: “I’m resigned to the fact he’s probably going to get cited, it happens every time we come up here”
Quite extraordinary. At least show a bit of contrition.
7:27am
Jerry said | 7:27am | Report comment
Not really helping himself.
While there are things Hansen’s side have experienced that might make him feel a bit hard done by (eg Andy Powell and Dylan Hartley’s lack of punishment vs Dan Carter’s suspension) there are also incidents that they’d benefited from (eg Mealamu’s light sentence for a headbutt). Some cognitive dissonance there, I think.
8:51pm
Dean said | 8:51pm | Report comment
That hit reminds me of the one Tim Gavin put on Sean Fitzpatrick many years ago!
4:52pm
nickoldschool said | 4:52pm | Report comment
I think Andrew Hore will have a long summer break.
4:19pm
chuck said | 4:19pm | Report comment
After watching Hore silly indiscretion by flooring Bradley Davis brought back memories Wallaby Prop Steve Finnane was pretty handy
with his fist he hung one on a lock who I wont name at Eden Park from behind and dropped him like a sack of potatoes and ran too the next ruck nothing was seen by the officials
3:37pm
kiwiinperth said | 3:37pm | Report comment
As a NZder I have never not watrched a AB game if it was on however the Hore sucker punch left a very sour taste in my mouth and I nearly turned it off. Hore should never play for New Zealand again.
9:55am
Adam Kake said | 9:55am | Report comment
Lets not forget the All Black Captain Richie McCaw had been head butted, stomped on, kneed in the face, sucker punched twice in the face of which one of those was when he was defenseless sitting on the ground and all in this year alone. Hold on this is rugby not tiddly winks
12:26pm
Tony said | 12:26pm | Report comment
Couldnt agree more about Hore. Some wit said hes gone from shooting seals to clubbing Wales. But seriously hes got to go for a few weeks. Cant figure it out why you would do something like that. Maybe hes played his last All Black game. Weepu might have played his second to last also .come on TJ Peranara. Gosper and the IRB judiciary are a joke though. For sheer intent its hard to go past Greyling leaping over a ruck to smash Ritchie in the face…2 weeks off ???? . why isnt Mr Gosper going back to review that ? Perhaps Hore will only get 2 weeks if they are consistent
10:59am
dcnz said | 10:59am | Report comment
I just read a UK media report that said this game was won by the fine margins and that things fell the All Blacks way.
Poor deluded NH rugby scrbes….
11:11am
Bazza Allblack Supporter said | 11:11am | Report comment
You whaaaaaaaaa?
Who?
Fine hat way, the boyos never looked like taking the game, they tried and tried , but simply were not good enough.
And the abs let the foot off the throat in the last 20.
This was a beating – thought loved the 15 man maul!
Waiting for that idiot Stephen jones to way in now…
11:55am
Dean Vincent said | 11:55am | Report comment
Do you have a link to that? All the reports I’ve read acknowledge the All Blacks were comfortable winners. You have to say that 2 players out injured in the first 2 minutes and Andrew Hore staying on the field certainly didn’t help Welsh chances but don’t think anyone is seriously suggesting a different result.
4:19pm
Dcnz said | 4:19pm | Report comment
Mate the comment was in the Daily Mail … A very negative piece against the All Blacks …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2237902/Wales-10-New-Zealand-33-All-Blacks-dark-side.html
5:53pm
ohtani's jacket said | 5:53pm | Report comment
That article wasn’t too bad. It just mimicked what the BBC commentators were saying all match. I was watching the South African Super Sport feed and at half time one of the guys in the studio said the first half reflected the good, the bad and the ugly of New Zealand rugby. Hello, rest of the world. What Hore did was inexplicable, but Wales and South Africa are hardly lilly white in this area.
Hansen ought to address this poor discipline as it’s becoming a trend now. If you’re twenty points up there’s no need to commit professional fouls. And 90 seconds into the game is hardly the time to worry about your ruck ball.
11:31pm
Ben.S said | 11:31pm | Report comment
Hmmm… The BBC commentary team is a bit of a joke. Jonathan Davies is literally so off the pace, and so is Guscott. Pair of booze hounds who don’t watch rugby anymore but get paid to talk about it.
Not sure Wales have any recent history of foul play.
1:21am
ohtani's jacket said | 1:21am | Report comment
Andy Powell on McCaw last year.
1:29am
Ben.S said | 1:29am | Report comment
That and when Davies tip tacked Donncha Ryan in the 6N, but then NZ have this incident, Thomson on Strokosch, Retallick’s tip tackle on Bekker (?) and Mealamu butting Moody. That’s up there with the Boks in terms of cynical play.
6:53am
Jerry said | 6:53am | Report comment
The Retallick tackle is a bit of an odd man out there – he barely took him past 90, it looked worse than it was cause of the way Bekker rolled after he landed.
9:14am
Team Taniwha said | 9:14am | Report comment
Hika Elliot has already been called into ABs, so seems they know Hore is likely to be on holiday or possibly Melamu unlikely for English game.
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8:35am
KiwiDave said | 8:35am | Report comment
Didnt take long for Weepu to get back to his awful best. After I praised him in the Scottish game, I can say nothing but awful things about his disgusting effort this morning. There was a massive drop off when Smith went off and he went on. Someone should tell him the next time he ball watches at the base of a ruck will be the last time he wears an All Black jumper. Cruden I thought had a great game and Richie, well what more can you say about him that hasn’t been said.
10:04am
Adam Kake said | 10:04am | Report comment
The drop of wasn’t caused by Weepu alone, it was all the changes across the team at same time that lost fluency and having a man in the bin as well, plus Wales figured it had nothing to lose and gave all or nothing. Harsh call on Weepu since Smith was average at best last week against Italy.
6:21am
katzilla said | 6:21am | Report comment
All the style points to Wales for the 15 man rolling maul and lineout.
6:43am
Paul said | 6:43am | Report comment
thats is what happens when you run out of options in attack…you will go to the extreme which was brilliant.
Reminded me of the good amateurs days of rugby
2:32pm
Neuen said | 2:32pm | Report comment
Since Wales got a couple of big blokes in the Backline they think they can run over people and use them too often. Roberts was mowed down by Tiessi against Argentina whole match long. Wales that we use to know with elusive runners and unpredictable attacks is sadly not there any more
3:15pm
RebelRanger said | 3:15pm | Report comment
One of those big backs got run over by Luke Romano (if I remember correctly) right on the try line..
6:05am
ohtani's jacket said | 6:05am | Report comment
Awful second half from the All Blacks. What a forgettable tour this has been. Why do we keep getting sinbinned when we’re up by so much? It’s happened a few times this year.
6:12am
ohtani's jacket said | 6:12am | Report comment
God I’m sick of the BBC commentators. That Hore punch will stir up a storm this week.
6:17am
Dean Vincent said | 6:17am | Report comment
If you short arm a player from behind, put that player off the field and escape any sort of punishment yourself then what do you expect?
7:20am
Bazza Allblack Supporter said | 7:20am | Report comment
Yep , bloody silly from mr hore, max ban please
10:02am
Wayne said | 10:02am | Report comment
What are we playing here”Tiddly winks?
11:09am
Bazza Allblack Supporter said | 11:09am | Report comment
That reference was to a hard tackle, not dropping someone from behind..
Hore is a very silly boy. Take his lumps and move on.
Just gives all The Darkness haters something to focus on, instead of the drubbing handed to the boyos.
Watch some clown will say because hore was not sent off, that was the reason Wales lost…
11:19am
Jiggles said | 11:19am | Report comment
Hore deserves double digit weeks on the side line. That was a scumbag cheap move.
5:46am
atlas said | 5:46am | Report comment
France beat Samoa 22-14, for a long time into 2nd half Samoa were in the lead 14-10
5:16am
katzilla said | 5:16am | Report comment
Hore can look forward to a long stint on the sidelines for his cheapshot.
I totally agree with clearing a man out thats running across the back of a ruck, but lifting your arm onto his head is out of order.
5:40am
atlas said | 5:40am | Report comment
Would surely have been a red if seen by ref/assts. Eight weeks?
With Mealamu injured they’ll need another hooker for next week with Dane Coles – Hika Eliot next in line, played for NZ Maori yesterday, big challenge v the England front row.
6:25am
katzilla said | 6:25am | Report comment
Yeah 7-8 weeks.
Guscott made a good point about Thompsons light sentence affecting Hore’s chances.
They’re not likely to go easy after the backlash over Thompson.
10:07am
Jerry said | 10:07am | Report comment
Stupid from the Seal Killer, but considering Greyling got 2 weeks, without the NH scribes saying boo on twitter, anything more than that would be undeserved…
12:49pm
Ben.S said | 12:49pm | Report comment
It wouldn’t be undeserved, it would be inconsistent.
1:18pm
Jerry said | 1:18pm | Report comment
That’s true actually – well put. I concede it would be deserved.
11:37pm
Ben.S said | 11:37pm | Report comment
I was wondering if there’s past history between the pair. Hore’s not really the thuggish type, so it’s either that or perhaps it was a deliberate ploy. Davies is a big carrier for Wales down the middle of the park, and with no lock reserve on the bench Ryan Jones moving up to lock was always going to be an issue with Wales fielding Jarvis at 3. Whatever the reason it would be an unfortunate end for Hore if it’s his last action in a black jersey.
9:51am
Wayne said | 9:51am | Report comment
Wanna hang around the offside line then get ready for a bit of clearing out, Cause you are OFFSIDE>
11:51am
Dean Vincent said | 11:51am | Report comment
So that entitles you to put a player in hospital with a cheap shot from behind does it???
11:57am
Jerry said | 11:57am | Report comment
While not agreeing with Wayne, I do recall a similar sentiment being used time and time again when the person on the receiving end was a certain All Black captain….
7:37pm
Justin2 said | 7:37pm | Report comment
He wasn’t offside though – he was retreating and not interfering with the play at all.
6:54am
Jerry said | 6:54am | Report comment
See below – people don’t have to actually be cheating for the “Well, he shouldn’t have been cheating….” line to be pulled out.
1:01pm
Dublin Dave said | 1:01pm | Report comment
Contemptible comment, even if it were based on a valid statement, which it was not.
Davies was running backwards towards a ruck. He had not joined it, nor was he loitering. You have to assume that his intention was to retreat behind the hindmost foot on his team’s side. But he wasn’t given the option.
1:19pm
Jerry said | 1:19pm | Report comment
True – although, again to return to what was said on the many times McCaw has been similarly fouled – actually being offside/cheating isn’t usually a prerequisite to people claiming it as a justification.
6:05pm
mace 22 said | 6:05pm | Report comment
Well it’s alright when its mccaw I read comments like it’s alright hes always offside he cheats, as if thats any excuse. But heaven help us if the all blacks do the same to someone else. Then you get all the whingers come in and try to make excuses for why they continually lose to the ABs. In the NH you get stupid comments like, if hore had been sent off, wales would’ve won. Also the referee’s are in a conspiracy to let the all blacks win, oh those poor dillusional paranoid souls They are so engrossed on the hore hit that they fail to see what is wrong with NH rugby and why the all blacks have a unbeaten record in the nautumn internationals for ten years. These autumn tours are so predictable for the all blacks, they come they conquer, they leave. Now I’ve left myself open for a dish of humble pie next sunday.
6:20pm
Justin2 said | 6:20pm | Report comment
None of that has anything to do with a gutless hit from behind though does it?
6:21pm
Jerry said | 6:21pm | Report comment
The thing is, it’s a bullsh*t argument even if the guy is offside (which he’s usually not funnily enough). It’s bullsh*t when applied to McCaw and when applied to Davies.
Hore is an absolute idiot (kind of knew that already with the seal thing) and should spend a good amount of time suspended (8-12 weeks IMO) – what annoys me about the reactions is that many of the same people expressing outrage wouldn’t have said boo when it was Andy Powell, Dylan Hartley or Phil Waugh smashing McCaw in the face.
11:44pm
Ben.S said | 11:44pm | Report comment
Jerry, the NH UK doesn’t really cover SH games, so incidents like Greyling on McCaw largely go unnoticed.
3:08am
Dublin Dave said | 3:08am | Report comment
I’ve never seen a concussive hit like that on McCaw, although I will readily admit I don’t see too many SH games.
I have seen McCaw being kneed by Jamie Heaslip when he got on the wrong side of a ruck in an Ireland New Zealand match.
Heaslip got a red card. Justifiably.
6:03am
nudge said | 6:03am | Report comment
Didn’t knock him out but left him spinning – and there was inetent for sure with this. What Hore did was inexplicable but EVERY team has an element of filth to it so in reality we should all get down off our soap boxes. The AB’s are a common NH media target as they generally never lose.
6:57am
Jerry said | 6:57am | Report comment
1 minute in – Phil Waugh with a blindside forearm pretty much like Hore’s. And, like Davies, McCaw isn’t in a position where he’s expecting to get hit and, like Hore, Waugh has no legal reason to be putting a hit on McCaw at all.
5:13am
katzilla said | 5:13am | Report comment
Wales fall for the world cup winning line out move.
Lots of butterfingers, Savea maybe a little nervous. Hopefully comes out a bit more relaxed in 2nd half.
23-0
5:12am
ohtani's jacket said | 5:12am | Report comment
There’s nothing I like more than a Tony Woodcock try.
4:57am
Kiwi said | 4:57am | Report comment
Totally detest Foxtel – subscribed to them for sports then they Force you to subscribe also to Setanta to watch the All Blacks! Very greedy and sneaky!
5:16am
mickogreen said | 5:16am | Report comment
Couldnt agree more with ya Kiwi. Hurled a torrent of abuse to the Foxtel call centre earlier this evening. I have Foxtel just for S15 and All Blacks games. 4 games on Northern tour and only the Scotland game is broadcast live !!!! Complete waste of money.
11:21am
Jiggles said | 11:21am | Report comment
Considering its an Australian pay tv company in Australia what do you expect? Setanta is independent of foxtel.
6:26am
murray said | 6:26am | Report comment
They arent even showing the replay on fox sport.
2:46pm
Ra said | 2:46pm | Report comment
ahhhh so thats why i couldnt find it – bugger !!!
7:39pm
Justin2 said | 7:39pm | Report comment
Fox don’t have rights though do they, Setanta do and they are a separate company on selling to fox
4:11am
atlas said | 4:11am | Report comment
greetings (anyone) watching match in se Thailand, right now Samoa v France has just started
5:45am
Winston said | 5:45am | Report comment
Yeah I thought I might be able to catch this game in paris. No chance. Nice scheduling