Folau faces uphill task for Lions series
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The coach with most experience converting NRL stars into gun rugby union players doubts Israel Folau has enough time to make the Wallabies team for next year’s British and Irish Lions series.
Ewen McKenzie oversaw the transition of Lote Tuqiri, Mat Rogers and Mark Gasnier to the 15-man code, and also coached Wendell Sailor in his final two seasons in rugby at the NSW Waratahs.
McKenzie expects Folau to make an impact in rugby but believes the time it takes to adapt will put him behind the eight-ball for an instant Wallabies’ call-up.
“The aptitude for picking the game up is the biggest test and it’s not always easy from my experience,” the Queensland Reds’ director of coaching told AAP.
The Waratahs will play 15 matches before the Super Rugby season breaks for the eagerly-awaited three-Test Lions series in June.
But Folau, an international three-quarter in rugby league before his two-year AFL stint with Greater Western Sydney, faces stiff opposition to gain a starting berth, especially for their season-opener against the Reds on February 23.
Standing in his way are Wallabies outside backs Adam Ashley-Cooper, Drew Mitchell, Lachie Turner, Rob Horne and fullback-flyhalf Berrick Barnes.
Added to that, Reds’ flyer Digby Ioane and Rebels’ duo Kurtley Beale and James O’Connor are automatic backline selections for Australia.
“Anything is possible, (Folau) is a good footballer, but you have to work out the position and the positional detail – that will be the challenge,” McKenzie said.
“Plus they’ve got some pretty good incumbents there, they’ve got Test players in those positions and I don’t know who will be putting their hand up to sit on the bench and not be involved so we’ll see how they handle all that.
“The good news for us is we’ve got them in his first game. We’re looking forward to welcoming him at Suncorp Stadium and that should get a few more bums on seats and we’ll know how good he is in the transition.”
Turner welcomed Folau’s signing and denied the NSW backs were scared by the former Kangaroo winger’s arrival.
“We’ve got to make sure that we put ourselves in the best position to win that spot.”
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December 6th 2012 @ 6:25am
mania said | December 6th 2012 @ 6:25am | Report comment
folau should be groomed for fullback in the long run. start him at wing but if he’s developed a kick from AFL then he’s FB material. we’ll see how long it takes him to pick on the positional play.
December 6th 2012 @ 11:45am
PeterK said | December 6th 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
totally agree, also catching the high ball.
Folau also will be able to run it back.
December 6th 2012 @ 6:33am
jumpers said | December 6th 2012 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Folau is a LOSER and has a 1 year deal with the Tahs. He was a flop a failure at AFL and hes another code jumper. He won’t last long!
December 6th 2012 @ 6:46am
mania said | December 6th 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
bitter much jumpers? folau the loser just made a couple million for the past 2 seasons. he’s making a quarter of a mil next season. he was average at AFL but was a prolific try scorer in NRL.
other code jumpers are matRogers, bradThorn and JasonRobinson, are they all losers? might pay next time to mix a bit of intelligence with your vitriol
December 6th 2012 @ 7:30am
Darwin Stubbie said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Also throw in the Aust conference starting earlier than the others so he’ll have less pre-season time … It all means he’ll be trying to learn it all in game time …. if he starts making numerous errors and costing games – how long before he’s benched and disgruntled
December 6th 2012 @ 12:49pm
atlas said | December 6th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
One week earlier.
Will those seven days really make a difference?
December 6th 2012 @ 8:38pm
Jiggles said | December 6th 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
Similar to Tahu who was constantly benched at the Tahs. Deans gifted a Wallabies jumper which he did not deserve to try and keep him interested, and that’s is how we got the South Africa thrashing.
December 6th 2012 @ 7:34am
Malo said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
Hes definitely not a loser and will walk into the wallabies. Id like to see him at 12 or 13 but I dont agree Kurtley Beale is an automatic selection.
9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Digby
12. Folau
13. JOC
14. Turner
15. AAC
December 6th 2012 @ 7:50am
B-Rock said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:50am | Report comment
Folau has to play on the wing – limited depth at the Tahs here and the lowest risk position from a positional perspective. 15 might be a longer term option depending on his boot (should there be a long term in rugby for him) but 13 is too complex defensively for a convert
December 6th 2012 @ 7:56am
Justin2 said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Spot on Brock. Not sure about his kickin, much different in afl lining up for goal then being under the pump and needing clear your line or put up tactical bombs.
Soon find out though…
December 6th 2012 @ 8:37am
Albo said | December 6th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Most kicks are made on the run though. This is something that he would have been coached for more than kicking for goal as I don’t think he was ever in line to be a full forward.
December 6th 2012 @ 7:56am
B-Rock said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
At best he could be used as an impact player off the bench for the wallabies – there is no way he will pick up rugby effectively enough to start a test in just 15 SR games
December 6th 2012 @ 8:42am
Albo said | December 6th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
If you watch the ‘best of’ clips on YouTube, seemingly most of his tries came from high catches off cross field kicks.
What better person to bring on in the last 15 mins of a game. Get within 20 of the tryline, cross field kick, odds on to take it over the other winger. Worst comes to worst it’s a 22 drop out and you get the ball back.
Simplistic I know but you gotta play to what works. If I was Bernard Foley or BB I’d be practicing it a helluva lot.
December 6th 2012 @ 9:26am
Jack said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Folau is a once in a generation league player. His record in that game is outstanding. He had the guts and determination to take a shot at AFL and that he earned a first grade spot under Sheedy and the great coaches respect says a lot. If Folau is well coached he would be a great OSC or fullback. He can catch and kick long, something that cannot be said of Beale. He has pace and power can can draw and pass on both sides of his body – something AAC cannot. With Folau , Speight, Tomane, OConner and Turner in the Wallabies the Wallabies would have a dangerous attacking backline. This years tests have shown the current players are not a threat. Too old and too slow. Folau will make it and he will be a star.
December 6th 2012 @ 7:32pm
JTV said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
+ 1
December 6th 2012 @ 9:49pm
Malo said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:49pm | Report comment
I would forget about his AFL, but yeah it is not like you need all the skills to cement a position. Kurtley cant tackle , kick or pass but is an automatic selection. Folau is fast strong , breaks the line can catch and pass and is not bad in the air. What more do you want he will pick it up with full time training.
December 6th 2012 @ 9:27am
nickoldschool said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I think it’s very premature to even think Folau can make the wallabies squad in June, only 4 months after his first rugby game in years. It would mean that something is/ was going seriously wrong in Australian rugby if a bloke with only a handful of games gets the nod over the likes of JOC, Beale, Ioane, Barnes, Mitchell, Cummins, AAC etc.
let’s see what he does against/ with Turner, Horne, Carter etc first. To have an athlete, regardless of how gifted he is, walk in the wallabies squad after a few months would be a terrible blow for Australian rugby youth and provincial coaching staff. The 2015 rwc horizon is much more realistic IMO.
December 6th 2012 @ 9:42am
AussieKiwi said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Agreed its a far fetched proposition that he might be ready for the Lions series and one that just sets him up to fail.
The debate about Folau is bizarre in that half the pundits are saying he won’t make it even at S15 level, others speculating about whether he will be ready to play at international level within four months of even starting to train for RU.
As many have pointed out, even SBW took more than a couple of years to get to the required level.
I really hope Folau succeeds, but it is going to take a hell of a lot of hard work and commitment from him.
One thing is for sure, its the colourful individuals like SBW, QC and Folau who generate most interest (as per the Roar articles and posts) and put bums on seats. I might even go to watch the Tahs at home if Folau is playing. I will definitely be going to watch the Souths Roosters opening game, partly because SBW will (hopefully) be playing.
December 6th 2012 @ 10:05am
nickoldschool said | December 6th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
You’re completely right aussiekiwi! The anti league switchers (from both sides) think he will fail while the others think he will be a success at 12,13 or 15 form the start. I hope he does do well but it won’t be a walk in the park !
Quite excited though but so was I when Tahu moved a few years ago and I still have egg on the face since! What a let down it was! Dunno where it went wrong.
WB, I had actually forgotten Tahu wore the wallabies jersey! I was then still a regular at Aussie stadium and remember feeling Tahu had all the symptoms of a lost player on the pitch. Never should have been a wallabies.
December 6th 2012 @ 5:17pm
formeropenside said | December 6th 2012 @ 5:17pm | Report comment
and certainly not at 12
December 6th 2012 @ 4:31pm
Jack Brumby said | December 6th 2012 @ 4:31pm | Report comment
On form Beale, Barnes, Mitchell, and AAC wouldn’t get a game for the Brumbies and wouldn’t be starters for the Wallabies except for injuries. I much prefer Lealiifano, McCabe, Speight, Smith, Tomane; faster, more creative, more power. OK maybe Barnes. Mitchell was a very good player but has lots work to do and needs some luck overcome injuries and get his pace back. It was sad to see him unable to scoot around a prop during the Wales game. I hope he makes it back.
December 6th 2012 @ 9:52pm
Malo said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:52pm | Report comment
You obviously did not see a Tahs game last year. The backs were pretty bad.
December 6th 2012 @ 9:40am
Worlds Biggest said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
spot on Nickoldschool, I mentioned yesterday that I hope he isn’t afforded an armchair ride into the Wallabies like Tahu was. We saw how that panned out. I would only select Izzy if he committs to Rugby beyond 2013. If so then if the form is there take him on the Spring Tour.