Why are we so angry at Izzy and the code jumpers?
By Matt Simpson, 6 Dec 2012 Matt Simpson is a Roar Rookie
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Let’s get one thing straight: code hopping isn’t a new thing. It’s been happening for years, so why is there such anxiety around it in the modern day?
Some of the articles written about Israel Folau’s move to Rugby, including The Roar’s David Lord and Sydney Morning Herald’s Richard Hinds have read more like letters written by an angry teenage girl who has just been dumped by her boyfriend.
They tend to forget that Folau a) played union in his younger years and b) stated from the start he wanted to stay in Sydney, be it playing league or union.
To me he seems to be a pretty nice sort of guy-but perhaps that the cause of the angst Folau. We don’t want to see him as some cheap ‘I’ll holla for a dollar!’ money chaser, and we don’t want him to be a Sonny Bill Williams or a Quade Cooper.
The same point can be applied with Brad Thorn. He is widely admired for his hard work, durability and his improvement with age.
Yet he jumped from league to union twice, and represented both Australia and New Zealand. Was he chasing the bucks, torn, or bored?
At least Williams has only ever represented New Zealand in either rugby code, and changed codes twice. Again, perhaps we have ignored the crime because we like him as a person.
It is also interesting to note how Karmichael Hunt is now being left out of the conversation.
As the first high-profile footballer to jump from league to Aussie Rules, he copped a lot of flak for being a dollar chaser when he first moved, but is it now ok to chase the bucks if you’re good at the sport and people enjoy watching you?
The same could be said about Lote Toqiri and Mat Rogers and their respective moves between the Rugby codes.
The AFL community may have generally been annoyed by the whole Israel Folau saga from start to finish, yet they ignore Mike Pyke (rugby), Setanta O’hAilpin (hurling) and Dean Brogan (basketball).
When Elyse Perry was told by Canberra United FC to choose between football and cricket, it was Canberra that was chastised, and Perry moved to Sydney FC where she could continue to do both.
Imagine if Archie Thompson was a potential first-drop batsman, with a good technique, for the Australian cricket team.
Do you think he would be allowed to be a Socceroo wearing a baggy green cap? I like Elyse Perry, and the way she goes about her sport, but perhaps playing two sports internationally sends the wrong message about professionalism in women’s sport.
Perhaps that’s the point: professionalism is now firmly entranced in Australian sport, and we don’t like all of it.
We don’t want to see a nice guy like Folau, or a great old warhorse like Thorn, forgoing loyalty or passion to go chasing dollars.
Yet we still want to see the increased skills that professionalism, so it’s ok take the pay if, like Karmichael Hunt, you become a bona fide player in your new code.
The case of Perry shows it from the other side of the mirror. We like her playing two codes because it isn’t the professional thing to do. It’s much more amateur.
It harks back to day when the likes of Simon O’Donnell, Craig Bradley and even Geoff Marsh were playing both first class or international cricket, and league football, because they could.
Or like when Nova Perris-Kneebone went from hockey to athletics for one more crack at a gold medal. It wasn’t about money.
In the modern day, any athlete only has finite time making income. I don’t think there is much of a choice – you have to make hay while the sun shines (and your knees still work).
It would just be nice to believe that there was still a bit of amateur values still in sport. We don’t want athletes chasing bucks. We want to see loyalty, stories, and personalities.
It would be nice to see a batsmen walk, or a footballer not dive and keep going, without the game and their career potentially depending on it.
We want to admire the skill, determination and courage of athletes, not the pay cheque. Code jumping is not admirable, it is a symptom of the ‘sport is a business’ disease.
For now, I hope Israel makes it in rugby, and I hope he enjoys it. It would be a great story.
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December 6th 2012 @ 3:22am
Johnno said | December 6th 2012 @ 3:22am | Report comment
It’s funny why there is such anger at code hoppers, as well as admiration. Maybe there in lies one of the darker human emotions, jealousy and that fuels in some sections of the media a media backlash, and hysteria. I mean who would not love to have on there resume, a proven ability to play elite sport in more than sport. also maybe the other issue of complexity, and devaluing, and disloyalty to to 1 sport. Another human emotion of seeking out a desire for new challenges, and also the possible human emotion of devaluing things, and the other emotion of disloyalty , all powerful human emption that stir up the media in some sections, and sell a lot of newspapers.
And the fascination as well of if they will fail is another human emotion that draws excitment in people, jus like sporting comebacks draw excitement and critsim very similar to code hoppers, too.
Ian Thorpe comeback aroused a lot of mixed emotions in the media, but through it all it engages people and is exciting and the media most sections love it as it sells newspaper. Is it a media beat up to sell newspapers maybe, but either way it’s exciting for the audience to watch these talented people try adventures 99% of people can only dream about.
Guys like Izzy Folau, SBW. Karmicheal Hunt, Mundine, Jeff Wilson. wendall sailor, Lote Tiquri, Matt Rogers, Viv Richards live the dream. Viv played soccer for Antigua.
Hershalle gibbs was a very talented rugby player, AB Devilliers and Jonty rhodes both were good at field hockey.
Heck Wayne Gardner went from 500cc motor bikes, to V8 car racing.
And guys like Bo jackson, and Dione Sanders tried, and were stars in more than 1 sport.
I also find fascinating the code hoopers that fail. Izzy Folau with AFL, and Micheal Jordan trying Baseball.
December 6th 2012 @ 5:42am
Toa said | December 6th 2012 @ 5:42am | Report comment
Simple “MONEY” human emotions gravitate towards the almighty dollar….”if I haven’t got it you’re not going to get it or I’m going to make it hard for you to achieve it”
December 6th 2012 @ 6:20am
Kasey said | December 6th 2012 @ 6:20am | Report comment
I would have said it’s because we take our sporting loyalty very seriously here in Australia (even more-so in recent years as the codes get at each others throats) code-hopping just seems to cheapen some of the arguments made about how ‘our’ game is special. If a mug footballer can jump and flip flop between different sports, maybe our differences aren’t that far apart as we think they are?
December 6th 2012 @ 12:01pm
Sam said | December 6th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Don’t forget Michael Jordan tried his hand at Baseball too….
December 6th 2012 @ 3:44am
kingplaymaker said | December 6th 2012 @ 3:44am | Report comment
Johnno you have to say that Folau has escaped spending time under the monster that is Ricky Stuart. Do you remember his verbal and physical assault of the referee after the league ‘World Cup’?
Folau is just doing what anyone else would. Why on earth should be stay in league if he doesn’t want to, especially not under the despicable Stuart.
December 6th 2012 @ 3:58am
Johnno said | December 6th 2012 @ 3:58am | Report comment
KPM I do. Ricky Stuart can be a toxic coach, he has destroyed so many halfbacks he has coached. They all went backwards under Ricky Stuart or the large majority . Ricky Stuart seems to only see things at times though his style, and is totally ignorant at times recognising a player may disagree with his style , or the the point of each player being managed differently.
And what annoys me KPM massively in this whole Folau saga is the hypocrisy of Ricky Stuart. The man himself was a code hopper. He played rugby union first, went on a wallaby tour too Argentina, yes in the amateur era, but still he jumped to rugby league for the pay day, and he has the gall and nerve to question or knock Folau’s want for a higher income, or a new challenge. The hypocrisy is appalling.
December 6th 2012 @ 6:34am
kingplaymaker said | December 6th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Johnno it’s amazing. Then there’s his idea that Israel Folau is his personal property when the man should be left to make his own decision. The nonsense Stuart has created about Folau being certain to sign is an appalling attempt to pressure him into doing so, when Stuart knew from the start that Folau was negotiating with rugby union.
As you said he’s an outrageous hypocrite, as well as being arrogant, abusive, and manipulating the lives of trusting young men. He’s a disgrace and Folau has done well to escape his clutches.
December 6th 2012 @ 7:01am
mania said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:01am | Report comment
agree that stuart has let himself down and his attempt at manipulating the media to pressure folau into signing then throwing his toys is an embarrassment. upside is that stuart is damaging the integrity and image of league.
brettKenny tho surprised me the most. considering that SBW has been welcomed back into NRL, kenny’s comments of banning folau is quite childish. kenny was an awesome player in his day but he’s revealed himself to be a sook
December 6th 2012 @ 4:28am
Neuen said | December 6th 2012 @ 4:28am | Report comment
What position does he play?
December 6th 2012 @ 7:17am
mania said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
what position did folau play as a school kid in rugby?
December 6th 2012 @ 4:32pm
Neuen said | December 6th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
I have no idea.
December 6th 2012 @ 5:50am
Bobo said | December 6th 2012 @ 5:50am | Report comment
As stated above,Ricky Stuart chased the filthy lucre when he left the Wallabies to play rugby league. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Suck it up, Ricky.
The same people who lionize Dally Messenger, Wally Lewis, Ray Price and their ilk are the ones calling for a lynch mob against Folau. They all betrayed their sport to chase the cash in league – and they get a free pass. As I understand it, he broke no contract with Parramatta. If so, the only ones who have reason to be aggrieved by his actions are GWS.
December 6th 2012 @ 7:09am
Matt Simpson said | December 6th 2012 @ 7:09am | Report comment
Corrrect Bobo, I think half the reason he went to union was because Parramatta were mucking aroound so much and getting no closer to making him an offer.
December 6th 2012 @ 9:54am
kippa said | December 6th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Seriously people/ fans need to start looking at it in a different way. In the 1950′s 60s, 70s, and 80s most of us had parents that worked for one company for the 30 plus years of their working lives. Since the 90′s most of us would have worked in a job for one company for 3-5 years tops then moved on for promotion or just a sea change. Why can’t atheletes do this? We move on to better pay or different challanges? I bet our parents looked back in their retirment at their gold watches thinking all i got was this lousy watch when i could have broaden my knowledge, experienced different cultures and got a bigger pay packet if i was not loyal.
Afterall this is the 20teens and loyality no longer exists to a meager pay packet.
December 6th 2012 @ 10:19am
The Kebab Connoisseur said | December 6th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
The word on SEN radio in Melbourne today was Izzy was asked to be a part of this ad campaign bagging AFL run by the NRL and this played a part in him rejecting the NRL offer.
Will be interesting to see what the NRL is hatching with this new ad offensive. It could seriously backfire on them if it is anti AFL. They want war, they will get it.
December 6th 2012 @ 12:10pm
clipper said | December 6th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
If that is true, then Izzy will have gained a lot of esteem in many people’s eyes for refusing to stoop so low.
December 6th 2012 @ 2:13pm
TC said | December 6th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
Yes, well done Izzy.
At no point has the AFL asked either Karmichael or Izzy to bag out League, and they haven’t done it.
TC
December 6th 2012 @ 3:00pm
Not Inerterested said | December 6th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Good to see we still have Australian Rules fans who fall hook, line and sinker for anything that comes out of the AFL propaganda machine.
As they know the AFL counldn’t do anything untowards. After all the AFL tells them so.
December 6th 2012 @ 2:34pm
eagleJack said | December 6th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Would be very interesting if this was true. I have no doubt League would stoop that low.
Sailor, Tuqiri and Rogers were all given advice on returning to League to bag Union. Some would say it was good advice. No better way to be accepted back into a League fans heart than to bag the other code.
Look at SBW. At his press conference he stated how difficult it was to leave Union as he genuinely enjoyed the game. The League media went into meltdown over this -”How could he say that? Now we will never accept him. Our code is the best. SBW is a disgrace” etc etc.
Sad state of affairs in the NRL. Lucky they have a good product which I love watching as the other stuff nearly puts me off it.
December 6th 2012 @ 10:28am
Mantis said | December 6th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
I know its been said before, but it annoys me that the NRL are up in arms about Folau going to union, but are still welcoming SBW back to the game.
December 6th 2012 @ 10:35am
mania said | December 6th 2012 @ 10:35am | Report comment
mantis – why wouldnt they welcome back sbw? he paid the doggies some hush money, served out his suspension . other than a kiss they’ve all made up. more importantly sbw went away, made millions of dollars and made himself an international brand, something he never would’ve accomplished in the NRL. ironically NRL need that brand now to help sell NRL
what actually annoys you hear? sbw’s integrity for walking out on the doggies or the NRL’s lack of integrity for using sbw to promote NRL?
i’d just like to point out that had the doggies paid sbw what he was worth (after anasta and mason had left and freed up salary cap monies) in the first place then none of this would’ve happened . scarey huh that if sbw had been loyal and stayed at the doggies he wouldnt be the big rugby super star he is now. i for one am glad he walked out.
December 6th 2012 @ 1:45pm
Steve said | December 6th 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
very good point. funny what the repurcussions of one act of stinginess can lead to!
December 6th 2012 @ 2:14pm
Mantis said | December 6th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Just the way he dealt with it. Im not saying that the Doggies may or may not have treated him right, I dont know exactly how they treated him, but for him just to jump ship overseas without letting anyone know, he acted like a spoiled brat. He was public enemy number one for a long time, now they are welcoming him back.
Folau is being treated relatively similar, although he has done nothing anywhere near as bad as that. He hasnt done anything wrong at all. It was just assumed he would go back to league.
December 6th 2012 @ 10:36am
Skills and Techniques said | December 6th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
I’d just like to say “Great job Michael Cheika”. Israel was obviously impressed by his integrity!
December 6th 2012 @ 12:15pm
allblackfan said | December 6th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
i’m struggling to contain my amusement at all the outrage shown by rl fans over the code-hoppers.
For almost 100 years, ru had to put up with this kind of BS. What was Rl’s response — “if you paid them more, they wouldn’t come to rl”. Well, guess what, rl? We are playing our players more – so much more, in fact, that your players are now switching to RU.
Sometime you just got to love karma!!
You’ll have a nice day, y’hear?
December 6th 2012 @ 12:26pm
kingplaymaker said | December 6th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
abf the outrage when Tuqiri, Rogers and Sailor are were bought was laughable.
League tends to have 10 or so ‘stars’ at any one time, spread across the age ranges. At the moment, forgetting which code they’re playing in, there are: Hopoate, Idris, Folau, Hayne, Inglis, Hunt, SBW, Slater, Marshall, Thurston in ASCENDING order of age.
That list is obviously debateable and I’m not talking about who the best 10 are but only the 10 that qualify as ‘superstars’.
If rugby bought Hayne, Idris and Hopoate it would have league future for the next few years until further young talents emerged.
December 6th 2012 @ 3:42pm
Funk said | December 6th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
Come on KPM settle down, yes the names you put forward are all good players, but that is most definately not the be all and end all of RL talent. You seem to forget that Idris didn’t really set the world on fire this year, Hopoate had a good 1st season but we’ll have to wait and see after he finishes his mission.
Here a a few others that you failed to mention, Cam Smith, the Morris brothers, Ben Barba, Brett Stewart, Cooper Cronk and Todd Carney just to name a few. If rugby did get a few of the names you mentioned, sure RL would scream like banshees, but they have a fairly deep talent pool over there, and every year some new superstar pops his head up.
I have to say though, I would love to see Barba on the counter attack in rugby…lightning quick with magic feet, I doubt you’d see him kick it down field ala Barnes.