Memoirs of a beaten Magpies diehard
By Curtis Woodward, 19 Dec 2012 Curtis Woodward is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
The once mighty Western Suburbs Magpies will continue in sporting purgatory next season with a likely move to the third-tier Bundy Cup competition in 2013.
This is hard to say for an old Magpies diehard. But maybe it is time to take old yeller out the back and finally put Western Suburbs out of its misery.
Don’t get me wrong. A part of me is glad the black and white jumper will live on for at least another year. But the other part of me can see the writing on the wall.
Wests Tigers are the future. And everyone knows you can’t fight the future.
The Macarthur region deserves better than the decades of in-fighting and factions and second-rate football teams. It’s time for the Wests Tigers franchise to take control.
But don’t take this admission of defeat without warning. The Wests Tigers club must stretch their presence in the south west.
Let’s get one thing clear, I once lived and breathed the Magpies. I would cry when we won and I’d cry when we lost. Losing was a lot more frequent.
Other kids had push bikes. Some, like my brother, would spend hours down the bush making cubby houses. For me, it was all about footy and the Magpies.
I was there for the final game in 1999 against the Auckland Warriors at Campbelltown Stadium. A 12-year-old weeping with a bunch of strangers thirty and forty years his senior must have been a sight to behold.
The Warriors destroyed the beleaguered Magpies that day. Yet it didn’t stop the diehards from chanting for their old club one last time in the big league.
I was there in 1996 when Andrew Willis kicked a monster field goal to send the Goldstar Magpies into the playoffs for the final time. Like it was yesterday, I can still remember running along under the western grandstand as the ball left Willis’ boot.
Andrew Leeds was a god. So much of a god in fact, that when he sat down behind us at a Sheffield Shield match one afternoon, I understandably bolted and hid in the Members Stand for two hours.
There is a reason these are memories. Because they are in the past. Another time.
It’s time the Wests Tigers became a single entity from the top down. That includes the demise of the Balmain Tigers.
Outgoing Wests Tigers chairman David Trodden had some wise words after quitting his post.
“I don’t see the joint-venture structure as a structure for the long term,” Trodden said.
“I certainly think it’s time for the organisation to revisit its structure and to think about what the best structure would be to take the organisation to that next level. At some point of the joint venture, you have to get to a point where the joint-venture structure is not the most appropriate structure to take you forward.
“We now have one State Cup team, rather than two. For Wests Tigers to take that next step in its evolution, the club needs to concentrate on things they have in common, rather than the things which split them. [And] in order to take that next step, you probably need somebody who is not identified with things which happened in the past.”
You can always respect the past. But its time the Wests Tigers created their own history. No factions, no Western Suburbs Magpies, no Balmain Tigers.
A Greek proverb goes, “A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.”
The Wests Tigers must start planting their own trees for the next generation. Under one banner.
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December 19th 2012 @ 9:11am
Proud magpie said | December 19th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
*Sigh* Here’s another magpie bash-up.
Did Curtis ever stop and wonder why Trodden may have made thiose comments now and not before? Curious how no such noises were coming out from Balmain when they thought they would be in a position to assume full ownership of the JV, but now they are bankrupt and Wests look like assuming full ownership suddenly we must have a full merger!
How can it possibly be that a dyed-in-the-wool magpie could be completely ok with a company which walks like Balmain, talks like Balmain, looks like Balmain and smells like Balmain taking over?
Perhaps if Balmain had treated Western Suburbs with respect the infighting wouldn’t be happening now. St. George treated Illawarra like lepers and learnt their lesson, now the JV there is harmonious. Balmain Humphreys and his Leichhardt cronies would do well to note this.
December 19th 2012 @ 9:31am
Johnno said | December 19th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
What is about some rugby league clubs, that they get bashed up and knocked about more than others. Not about playing the victim’s card, or maybe it is , or devil’s advocate, but western suburbs magpies, and North sydney bears, have copped a gutful over the years, as have the sharks, and the bunnies until rusty crowe, bought them.
Also Newtown Jets have copped a gutful, but all these proud clubs continue to fought back and will never be beaten.
Manly and the rooster get the red carpet, and can get away with anything, and no one ver questions the feet they walk on , or there existence as clubs. The double standards are staggering.
Same without he Brisbane Broncos, they could never beat the proud Brisbane clubs, and the Ipswiich jets, even if they wanted them to die off, never will be beaten, wynum manly, redcliffe, sunnybank, souths, and the clydesdales.
December 19th 2012 @ 2:27pm
Mals said | December 19th 2012 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
You are talking rubbish Johnno. How exactly have Manly got the red carpet? They were forced into a merger with Norths. When WIN stadium, Campbelltown Stadium & Kogarah were getting their big upgrades courtesy of the government where was the upgrade money for Brookvale?
December 22nd 2012 @ 6:36pm
Valleys Diehard from Brunswick st. said | December 22nd 2012 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
Sunnybank? Clydesdales? I don’t recall either team in the BRL when the Broncos joined the NSWRL. The other QLD clubs had/ have a strong leagues club association so survived regardless, if you want to bash the Broncos I’m all for it…. The main issue i have is that the Broncos were the killers and coffin makers of the BRL.
December 19th 2012 @ 9:52am
Ads said | December 19th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
I disagree. If there are no Magpies, then there is no league to follow. I followed the magpies from 1980 as a 5 year old. I too cried everytime they were in a winning position but gifted the other team the victory from years of not knowing how to finish off a team and actually win the game. They were the good old days, but they have rolled over and taken it from the merger. Forget ‘Wests’ Tigers. It’s all about Balmain and the Tigers. Not many refer to them as Wests. It’s all Tigers this and Tigers that, and Leichardt this and that.
I stopped following league once the merger happened in ’99 and I won’t start again until the magpies are back (likely never). I would love for a de-merger to happen. Even if Perth were the Magpies I would follow them. It’s all about the magpie and the black and white!
For me there are only one true Magpies and it’s the Collingwood variety. They are the most professional sporting club in the land. I’ve followed them since 1986. They could teach Wests a lot if given the chance. Go Pies!
December 19th 2012 @ 12:56pm
Will Sinclair said | December 19th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
I agree with you Ads – if there were no Tigers I wouldn’t follow rugby league at all.
As it stands, I was nearly lost to the game when my beloved Balmain joined the JV, but the retention of the Tigers name, and the colours, and the chanting “Ti-Gers” at the games brought me back…
I can understand how an old Magpies fan might struggle to retain any connection to the new team.
December 20th 2012 @ 9:46am
Magpies or ever said | December 20th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
I agree wih Ads, If there are no Magpies, then there is no league to follow the Tigers mean nothing to me, but if there is a chance the mghty Western Suburbs Magpies can re enter the comp at all levels I will not give up. The Magpies have been kicked in the guts more times that any other club it has aways been the same the money clubs are looked after and the baltters not.
I would love to see Brisbane & Auckland in a joint venture.
Thanks very much NRL. for kicking out a foundation club you should be ashamed of your self and all so the Wests directors you should be ashamed.
Comon all Magpie supports were are not dun yet.
December 19th 2012 @ 12:55pm
Will Sinclair said | December 19th 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Quick question to Curtis (and the others above) – what would you think of changing the name of the club to the Western Suburbs Tigers?
My feeling is that lots more people would refer to them as “Wests”, and it would be more of a connection to the Magpies? I remember some geniuses (like Tommy Raudonikis) insisting on the “Wests” name, but I think it’s counter-productive (as well as clumsy) as it STOPS people from calling the team Wests.
I’m sure it wouldn’t make a difference, but it’s always bugged me!
December 19th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Curtis Woodward said | December 19th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Honestly? They should be called the Macarthur Tigers and play out of Campbelltown Stadium. Its about the people of Macarthur now, not the Magpies.
December 19th 2012 @ 2:13pm
Will Sinclair said | December 19th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
Would that help though, Curtis?
I know the club has struggled to get people to games in Campbelltown in recent seasons.
December 19th 2012 @ 2:31pm
Curtis Woodward said | December 19th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
If you put a successful club there that are truly local, they will come. In droves.
December 19th 2012 @ 3:55pm
Ads said | December 19th 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
Reality is that clubs that play in the NRL are not run like a business the way they are in AFL. That may change in the future but so far have suffered from short sightedness just trying to survive. If Wests magpies had money and a large supporter base we wouldn’t be having this discussion as they would still be in the top tier.
Do you really think just because they are ‘local’ that people will jump on in droves. From my experience most supporters follow clubs based on colours, mascots, players and coaches that they like. The majority of Collingwood fans don’t live or originate from collingwood. Likewise many of the macarthur people most likely follow a range of teams from Manly to the bulldogs to souths, etc.
December 19th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Curtis Woodward said | December 19th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
My brother goes for Manly and he lives in Campbelltown. He’s very rarely travelled to Brookvale for a game. Hence going to games at Campbelltown Stadium. No matter who is playing. Same goes for a lot of other people out there.
I can also say that many Wests Tigers fans out there are still scratching their heads at many of the clubs decisions. They just want a team. Every second week to support.
December 19th 2012 @ 3:01pm
bjt said | December 19th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
The growth of league is with the youth, and not the past.
It’s sad to see history disappear, but nothing can last forever and the NRL isn’t concerned with jaded old Wests fans, but with the kids of today. League didn’t die when Newtown went, nor when the Dirty Reds kicked the bucket. Guess what? Norths have been gone now for over a decade and league’s still being played, fans are still going to games. League is stronger than ever.
What’s more important? Pleasing some old timer who switches allegiances because of a mascot or providing the means for kids to take up rugby league very early on or rather them be snapped up by afl? They love busting out the words “grass roots”, but it’s true. And any parent who doesn’t let their kids play league for reasons such as “Wests” arent around anymore is simply a bum.
The people of Sydney continue to expect that the sport of rugby league owes them something.
The sooner Sydney realizes that (like Wests, Norths, Glebe and co) the NSWRL no longer exists as the Premier competition, the sooner we can start to make the sport of league one of the top sports of the world. .
Accept it, and get on board with the concept of National. A true fan would want the best for their sport, not what’s best for him or her.
Wests playing in the Top division is not good for the sport of Rugby League.
December 19th 2012 @ 3:46pm
MM said | December 19th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
You make some very good points and I agree with you. However, to take the pain of moving on from our history, we need some long term gain based on truly altruistic decisions for the game. Unfortunately, this has not occurred:
- there are still too many teams in Sydney;
- further to having too many teams in Sydney, Campbelltown and Gosford (regional growth centres), have no full time NRL exposure;
- a criteria was set in 1999 with regard to minimum stadium requirements, yet we are still playing in dilapidated grounds such as Brookvale and Leichhardt. At least Leichhardt is down to 4 games, but 10 games of a national competition at Brookvale??? Please…
The Super League war was about tv rights and rationalising the game. The game got the tv rights sorted, but so many decisions on rationalisation went the wrong way. Decisions were not made in the best interests of the game. How did this happen? As an example, going back to having too many teams in Sydney, the criteria saw Wests (based at Campbelltown) and Norths (based at Gosford) removed, yet Cronulla who are sandwiched between St. George-Illawarra remained – why? How was that decision in the best interests of long term growth for the game?
December 19th 2012 @ 3:53pm
Curtis Woodward said | December 19th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
True. Though I’m not going to knock the Sharkies. They’ve clawed and scratched and survived. Now they have money to grow. Good on them. Dragons on the other hand, should be playing full time in Wollongong.
December 19th 2012 @ 4:08pm
MM said | December 19th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
Without the assistance of News Ltd during the Super League war, what would have happened to Cronulla? Cronulla (and others) stayed in their traditional areas, with minimal growth prospects, and took the cash for their own self interest.
Where was the assistance for Wests and Norths? They both moved from their traditional inner city roots and into new developing markets. These decisions were not only in the interests of Wests and Norths, but they were also in line with the recommendations of the Crawford report. There was an alignment of interests between two clubs and the game, yet the game deserted them.
You don’t see the AFL deserting its clubs in developing markets.
December 19th 2012 @ 4:52pm
Blues man said | December 19th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
Wests SHOULD have renamed themsleves the Macarthur Magpies back in 87!! If they had embraced the region thy would still be alive especially now the region is growing at a rapid rate!! WT Basing themselves at Concord is plain dumb!!
But there is no reason the Maggies cant survive in the lower leagues it works great for Newtown jets and Norths!! These clubs are the heritage of the game and wanting Wests gone is a joke!!! I cant and will not Support the Tigers as its represents and inner city club that dominates the JV and shake my head at any ex magpie that thinks otherwise!!! How about you get behin you roots!! Once apon a time it was a badge of honor to be a struggling Wests Supporter!!!
December 22nd 2012 @ 8:13am
Bring Back the Bears said | December 22nd 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
Not only is basing themselves in concord dumb, this is trumped by the WESTS tigers playing 4 home games a year at the SFS.
Seriously, what were they thinking?
December 19th 2012 @ 5:52pm
steve o said | December 19th 2012 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
just because balmain are broke and have the most over rated football ground in australia doesnt mean they have to drag the magpies down with them. i live in the macarthur region and i want to see the magpies in the nsw cup and wests tigers in nrl. wests tigers dont give a crap about the magpies and the macarthur region, its a disgrace!!!!!!
December 19th 2012 @ 8:52pm
Arthur Fonzarelli said | December 19th 2012 @ 8:52pm | Report comment
The Wests Magpies playing out of Perth – gotta admit I love that proposition.
Would invigorate a great rugby league brand, ensure some “away” support in Sydney, and I am sure rugby league supportes in Perth would warm to this more than Pirates or any other manufactured logo.
Lets send Tommy Raudonikis to Perth as an ambassador !
December 19th 2012 @ 10:14pm
Boris the Mudcrab said | December 19th 2012 @ 10:14pm | Report comment
I have certainly heard dumber ideas!!!
December 20th 2012 @ 2:37pm
arthur fonzarelli said | December 20th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Imagine their debut home game at the WACA or wherever they play
Wests Magpies vs Manly.
Bring back the biff !!! Fibros vs Silvertails !! Sydney people would take more interest in this than Perth Pirates vs Manly.
And I dare say sending the likes of Tommy, Les Boyd, out west would create some media interest.
The Swans were “relocated” with enormous success and retained much of their history while still appealing to Sydney people.
There is no reason the Wests Magpies couldnt do the same in Perth. Balmain could stand alone, or maybe merge with the Chooks and be the Easts Tigers !!!
December 20th 2012 @ 2:41pm
Ads said | December 20th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
I agree Western Magpies or West Coast Magpies – and Wests for short. Do you think they’ll ever implement such a radical move? Of course not too much common sense involved..
December 20th 2012 @ 4:48pm
Arthur Fonzarelli said | December 20th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
The AFL wouldnt like it either – seeing the Magpies brand reborn in the rival code.
December 20th 2012 @ 5:31pm
Captain Obvious said | December 20th 2012 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
Would the public in an AFL city actually support a “Magpies” brand, when you think of the stigma attached to Collingwood fans?
December 21st 2012 @ 8:07am
Ads said | December 21st 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Why not? There are Richmond tigers, western bulldogs, canterbury bulldogs. If the clubs were smart they could partner and grow support for the other codes in all cities. I always supported Collingwood and Wests so why couldn’t AFL people that supprted Collingwood who didn’t follow league be targeted to follow another magpies team?
December 21st 2012 @ 10:40am
Captain Obvious said | December 21st 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
@Ads
But the Perth NRL club would be targeting Eagles and Dockers fans.
It depends on what THEY think of the “Magpies” brand.
December 19th 2012 @ 10:32pm
bjt said | December 19th 2012 @ 10:32pm | Report comment
Why can’t the Maggies (and the Bears) and their fans just be resigned to the fact that the Western Suburbs Magpies (and North Sydney), the classic 1908 rugby league club(s), belongs in their home, where they can proudly play the greatest sport in a Sydney based competition?
Their time in the “National” comp is finished, and the reason why Sydney cannot accept the fact that there is no room in the NRL for all these Sydney clubs is nothing short of denial.
Brisbane had a great comp, great players and teams just as old and loved as any in Sydney. The Broncos and NSWRL/NRL killed that. It’s gone. But in its place rose the Queensland Cup. The second strongest rugby league comp in the world. I have no doubt that some of the teams running around in the QCup would have easily flogged Parramatta this year.
Why can’t NSW follow suit? A minimum of 4 of the current Sydney clubs in the NRL should be playing in the NSW Cup. Support these teams and grow the comp. But it simply doesn’t work in Sydney… why? Because Sydney is a city of elitists, a spoilt bunch of brats who won’t go to games if their teams losing, won’t support the team they “love” if they’re not in the top division, won’t even support the “sport” they “love” if their team is not in the top division, they sook to the point where they go against the spirit of the game (eg. Sydney 2 games this year for SOO, changing the rules so NRL teams in NSW can’t use QCup feeder team and so forth). Queensland has been taking it on the chin for over 100 years and we are better for it and we wouldn’t want it any different.
League will grow into a strong national competition, supplemented by quality state based competitions full of history and pride that will grow just as strong and more and more popular as the years go by. We just need to get the NRL to back the state comps, grow the game nationally and cherish the sport of league, not the greediness of channel 9 and whims of old fools in backwards clubs. It is impossible to break the arrogance of Sydney and its fans, but not their shackle of my sport. The answer is simply to stop listening to their whinging and do what’s good for the game.
December 20th 2012 @ 2:32pm
arthur fonzarelli said | December 20th 2012 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
RE : I have no doubt that some of the teams running around in the QCup would have easily flogged Parramatta this year.
Parramatta would annihilate any QLD Cup team by a minimum of 50 points.
December 22nd 2012 @ 3:47am
81paling said | December 22nd 2012 @ 3:47am | Report comment
bjt is a very confused person as he stated:
Why can’t Wests b happy with a team in their local comp. That is what the NSW cup is and that is what many Wests fans want, they are not looking for an NRL rebirth.
Q cup team would have flogged Parra, well as Arthur has pointed out this is a stupid statement and needs no further discussion as it shows bjt lives in a land of denial.
He links the bears NRL proposal as simply another Sydney based team, that proposal is for a team based out of Gosford not Sydney (buy a map bjt)
BJT says their is a QLD rugby League comp as old as any based in Sydney. No there is not, QLD had no Rugby League in 1908.
He continues on with this rubbish taking ignorant swipes at Sydney and goes onto to say that the Leagues needs strong State based comps with proud history’s. All that magpie’s followers against this move want is just that to keep their proud club and it’s history autonomous in the State based competition. Many are also concerned about a total merger with Balmain whom at present appear to have terrible management who make awful decisions that are destroying and bankrupting that club.
Wests fans with concerns and a passion for their clubs history are totally justified in making their point, sounding their concerns and opposing current moves. Be they right or wrong they should not be harassed by someone as ignorant as bjt.
December 22nd 2012 @ 12:26pm
bjt said | December 22nd 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Point re-stated – Wests and other Sydney clubs removed from the national comp should be happy in a state based competition, where they belong and where several current Sydney based NRL teams belong, and in time will reside. They don’t belong in Perth or the Central Coast or wherever people who suggest offloading the plight of a failed club on some other territory say. What is the justification to suggest a failed or failing Sydney clubs re-locate to Perth, Adelaide, and Sunshine or Central Coast etc? Those places deserve the opportunity to develop their own history and not simply take Sydney’s rubbish. However, like many things involving Sydney, with their inflated sense of importance believe otherwise, and to question such statements is the only issue.
Yes, I will admit I have not purchased any maps of late and nor stuck to my rigid 30 minutes a day study to the geographical surveys of the Sydney, like all good Australians of course I should be doing my duty – Its Sydney, Australia’s flagship, it’s jewel and of course the holy land of rugby league, where not even it most ardent follows will support the NRL due to it’s lack of purity.
Although I must say I do like to dabble with new technologies, such as something called Google Maps, and have found that indeed Gosford is massive distance of 75 or so kilometres from Sydney. Which is simply horrible, something must be done now to remove this tyranny of distance beseeching the populace of the great land. I myself and my brothers of the north will start petitioning the government, local rugby league teams, anyone, for the construction of a bullet train and free taxi services to courier people from their homes to stations, to help ease the pain. Thanks for alerting me to the desperate need of the people of Sydney and for my hurtful comments I didn’t make about Gosford.
As for QCup, the minor premiers of Redcliffe, with 17 wins for the season putting on 724 points, would have easily done over the 2012 Eels with their 6 wins and 431 points for the season. Actually the top 3 teams QCup teams would have done over the Eels without too much trouble. But of course it’s Parramatta, which is a Sydney club, so it’s silly for me to suggest that a NRL club let alone a Sydney club could be beaten by a second rate “rugby league” club from somewhere else. The world club challenges are rigged anyway, and my state which only started playing league in 1909 does not even deserve to be mentioned, let alone a compassion of all things!
Long live the Maggies, Balmain, Newtown, Norths, Glebe, Annandale and their Sydney brothers, for I hope the fans and the NRL will not forsake you, and may you prosper in the NSWCup, so your great history is not forgotten.
December 22nd 2012 @ 6:49pm
Valleys Diehard from Brunswick st. said | December 22nd 2012 @ 6:49pm | Report comment
You have some good overall points bjt however I don’t think bashing Sydney-siders is one of them. We have have life so much better in QLD, there is not one aspect of life in Sydney that is an improvement on SE QLD. I’m not saying feel sorry for them but they simply seem to basque in this eternal “look at the harbour” jingoism that they forget the quality of life and cost of living is easily the worst in Au. Just saying.
January 3rd 2013 @ 1:12am
81paling said | January 3rd 2013 @ 1:12am | Report comment
We get rid of the sarcasm (as it is a poor form of communication) and what BJT tells us is that 3 teams in the QLD cup can beat the Parramatta team that defeated the NRL Premiers The Melbourne Storm, which is clearly not correct.
The clear conclusion here is that BJT has become carried away with the moment and has wasted a lot of his own time with his poor response.
December 20th 2012 @ 6:48am
Dianne said | December 20th 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
I am a magpie, and I follow Wests tigers also. The balmain people are the ones now complaining about how Wests have pushed balmain out since the merger. Now theses same supporters are filthy because they may not have “fletch” coaching balmain in 2013. Suddenly balmain need money and now they want the Maggies to provide it?? What a crock! Tim sheens put nails in the coffin by deciding he wanted his fringe first grade players to come from one team-balmain. What about all the young people out Macarthur way? Do they not deserve to have a local team to play for? If the past is to be left in the past, then that means balmain are left there too. As for Mike Bailey. David Trodden and the rest of them pushing the Maggies further into the past, I think you are 2 men who have no respect for grass roots, or for the history of the magpies. Let the magpies live on!! RIP Balmain!