Clean sweep, but questions remain about the experiments
By Brett McKay, 8 Jan 2013 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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Australian fast bowler Jackson Bird prepares to bowl to the Sri Lankan batsman on the first day of the second cricket Test match between Australia and Sri Lanka at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG), in Melbourne, on December 26, 2012. AFP PHOTO/William West
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So Australia has beaten Sri Lanka 3-0 in the end, securing the third Test in Sydney by five wickets on Sunday afternoon.
Rightly or wrongly, this Test was used for an unusually high number of experimental moves.
It’s arguable whether these trials would’ve been conducted if the series were still alive, and given the way the young Sri Lankan side have performed in Sydney against these trials, there is certainly an argument that they perhaps weren’t shown the full respect coming into this Test.
Regardless, the experiments went ahead, and the series clean-sweep will undoubtedly be used as justification for looking toward upcoming tours of India and England.
Personally, I think there are more than a few questions coming out of these Sydney trials, and I’ll attempt to address a few of these today.
(Normally, such questions would come via colleague Ryan O’Connell, but this time I’m going it alone. Having done another collaborative piece before Christmas, and meeting up for a sneaky beer or two in the SCG Members’, our respective wives are beginning to snicker at how much we’re in contact. The word ‘bromance’ was even used at one point last week, which, during a welcoming embrace, we both agreed was rather harsh.)
Anyway…
Did four quicks work in Sydney?
Well, yes, technically it did. The scorecard will show that Australia’s quicks took 18 Sri Lankan wickets, and the Nathan Lyon critics will point to one of his two wickets coming via a pretty ordinary shot from Thilan Samaraweera in his second innings.
Realistically, the move to play four quicks in Sydney was driven purely by the selectors painting themselves into a corner anyway; the reference to the supposedly green SCG wicket was only a ruse to divert attention away from what was a pretty poor decision forced by an already contentious policy.
The wicket in Sydney was no greener than it has been in the last few years, and I wouldn’t mind betting Michael Clarke only bowled first because of who he handed over on the team sheet. That Sri Lanka were 5/249 at drinks in the last session on day one is a fair indication of how reasonable a batting track the SCG was from the outset.
If the selectors were so hell-bent on playing five bowlers and trying things for India and beyond, they should’ve played Glenn Maxwell. Even with my doubts over Maxwell’s credentials, there’s no reason why he and Lyon couldn’t have been just as difficult as Tillakeratne Dilshan and Rangana Herath were in Australia’s run chase.
Can Australia win a Test Series with four quicks?
Theoretically yes, but not over the next nine Tests. For starters, there’s just no way Indian authorities will allow/direct their groundsmen to produce green wickets to cater for an Australian pace quartet, and it’s unlikely England will be so generous either, given their recent success with twin spinners.
More than that though, with the sudden retirement of Mike Hussey, Australia’s evident batting depth looks rather vulnerable going forward. As I mentioned last week, it’s entirely possible that David Warner and Phil Hughes could be the next most experienced bats in the Australian side in England, and neither will have played 25 Tests by then.
Australia’s strengths may well be the bowling currently, but that’s not justification for committing cricketing suicide by unnecessarily shorting the batting order.
Is Matthew Wade a Test no.6?
Again, the scorecard will show that Australia’s wicketkeeper-batsman made the only century of the game, and he did that batting at four wickets down.
In truth, I had less concern about Wade at no.6 than I did about Mitchell Johnson coming in at no.7. It seems it’s a race nowadays to label Johnson an all-rounder should he ever manage a run of quality knocks with the bat, but the truth is Johnson the supposed all-rounder still only averages 22.6 with the bat.
Wade, on the other hand, has pushed his average up to 42.4. Andrew Symonds, who spent a good chunk of his career at no.6, finished with an average of 40.6. Wade might not be a full-time no.6, but he’s not going to let anyone down whenever promoted.
What of Ed Cowan?
Needs a good Indian series, no question. His 22 Test innings to date have netted a century, five 50s, and just the one duck. It’s not hopeless, but it’s not brilliant, either.
The biggest issue he needs to work on – aside from his running between the wickets and penchant for ball-watching – is the eight scores between 16 and 36. Even if only three of those starts became a 50, eight 50s and a century from 40% of his innings sees the pressure on his spot evaporate.
He could become the perfect foil for Warner and Hughes either side of him, but an average in the 30s will only prolong the questions, particularly with a certain former opener making it known he wants his old spot at the top back, now that he may not bowl in Tests again.
And Nathan Lyon?
Still doubting Lyon’s place as an Australian spinner? He’s the most successful Australian spinner post-Warne, and he’s already gone past the likes of Kerry O’Keeffe, Ray Bright, and Greg Matthews in fewer Tests and with a better average and strike rate.
He’s only 14 wickets behind Tim May, and is on track to topple one of the best off-spinners of my generation in fewer Tests and again with a better average and strike rate.
Lyon hasn’t had the best summer, but has still taken 19 wickets in six Tests at only slightly less than his career average of 3.2 wickets per Test.
My esteemed colleague rightly pointed out during the Test that if Matthew Wade’s batting is enough for us to excuse his ‘keeping up at the stumps, then Wade’s ‘keeping must also excuse Lyon’s lowish hauls this summer, given Wade’s been responsible for anywhere up to ten chances going begging off Lyon’s bowling.
I think Lyon’s bowled better than his numbers suggest. He’ll go to India as Australia’s number one tweaker and he should do pretty well in much friendlier conditions.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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January 8th 2013 @ 4:34am
AndyMack said | January 8th 2013 @ 4:34am | Report comment
Hi brett
Really like Wade, for his batting, but really think he should stick to #7 position. His big scores from that possy will be a bonus, rather than a requirement when he is at 6. If we cannot find 6 quality top and middle order batsmen, with 1 or 2 of them capable of some handy overs, then we really are in trouble.
And i wouldnt be taking Cowen to India. Would prefer Watto, UTK and D Hussey in our top order all over Cowen.
January 8th 2013 @ 7:25am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:25am | Report comment
David Hussey in the top 3, A-Mack? Really?? I’ve genuinely not seen that presented as an option…
January 8th 2013 @ 9:31am
AndyMack said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Brett i meant d hussey in the top 6 batsmen…..
January 8th 2013 @ 7:39am
Robie said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:39am | Report comment
I like David but he is averaging 17 in shield this year, Khawaja should come in and if we want a all rounder then go for Henriques or Christian as Maxwells bowling won’t work in India
January 8th 2013 @ 8:09am
Chop said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Steve O’Keefe should be in the conversation for India after Monty ran through them. Handy batting (32) and bowling (29) average and spins the ball the same way as Monty….
January 8th 2013 @ 9:30am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:30am | Report comment
I’d have O’Keeffe ahead of Maxwell personally, having seen some of Maxwell’s recent shot selection. And as you say, spins the ball the opposite way to Lyon.
But for some reason, O’Keeffe’s only Australian call-up this summer is likely to be that Commonwealth Bank ad, you know, “MUM, JAMES PATTINSON HIT IT IN THE FLOWW-WERRRS!!”
January 8th 2013 @ 11:01am
jameswm said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:01am | Report comment
How in god’s name does SOK not get a go before Doherty? He has to be as good a bowler, and is a much better batsman and fielder.
January 8th 2013 @ 2:15pm
matt h said | January 8th 2013 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
I see O’Keefe as a handy 7 who could average maybe 35 with the ball as a second spinner. If O’Keefe is to play then Wade needs to be at 6.
January 8th 2013 @ 9:28pm
TJ said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:28pm | Report comment
Henriques? How does he warrant selection?
January 8th 2013 @ 6:57am
Jared said | January 8th 2013 @ 6:57am | Report comment
Didn’t we win by 5 wickets?
January 8th 2013 @ 7:14am
Red Kev said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:14am | Report comment
If India had kept the first innings deficit to half what it was for a chase over 200, Herath would have bowled us out.
January 8th 2013 @ 7:20am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:20am | Report comment
Yes we did Jared – guess when I started writing this!!
Fixed now, thanks for spotting..
January 8th 2013 @ 7:31am
BennO said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:31am | Report comment
re Ed Cowan…I was watching an interview that Harsha Bohgle did with Steve Waugh on the weekend and it got me thinking about Cowan. I know it’s a different era and clearly different batting roles which is most relevant, but Cowan has a better record than Waugh after the same number of innings.
200 more runes, 5 runs better average, 1 more century and 1 more fifty.
Nowhere near as good as Tubby, but not toooo much worse than Slats. I reckon give him some time without the threat of the axe and he might come good.
January 8th 2013 @ 9:34am
AndyMack said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Diff is Cowen is over 30 with best part of 10 years FC experience, and hasnt shown great form over that time. S Waugh was thrown in very young as a propect player, and given time he matured and showed that talent.
January 8th 2013 @ 9:48am
Bearfax said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Further Ben, Waugh was only 20 years old and was also brought in as an all rounder. If you check records you will see that most players in the early to mid 20s first starting out in test cricket score rather poorly, similar to Cowan.
Difference is that most cricketers develop during their twenties so you can usually expect those players to improve significantly by the time they are 30. However if you are 30+ and your average is 33 after a dozen or so tests and your first class average is under 40, you can be fairly sure that not much improvement is likely. Early thirties is when a batsman should be at the peak of their career. Remember Clarke is only a year or two older. And the last batsman who succeeded coming in to the test side at 30 was Mike Hussey. But he had a first class average of 50+ so you knew what you were getting..
January 8th 2013 @ 10:10am
Anon said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Too many excuses for Cowan – he’s at the top of the order and solid starts are required.
I can’t help but think of a Bruce Laird (his ‘official’ record misses his WSC scores) who had a test average of 35ish over 21 matches and 40 innings. He passed 50 on 11 occassions. Ironically Graeme Wood who did manage to convert 100s managed 9 over his 59 match career but average sub 32. Perhaps the best opener gets nearest to his average every time instead of the Warner model prior to this series where he’d fail, fail, fail, fail, then get a 100 that a bit like A.Symonds would make everyone forgive him his past failures in the hope of future promise.
Funny also the comparisons to S.Waugh (given S.Waugh was not opening the batting). THen why not compare to B.Hodge, who had 11 less innings than Cowan for just 220 less runs and an average of 20 plus more.
January 8th 2013 @ 1:58pm
sittingbison said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
with all due respect I would suggest Bruce Laird and Graeme Wood spent most of their careers facing infinitely superior bowlers than Cowan has faced (Indians last year, current West Indies and Sri Lanka this year lol).
How well would Ed Cowan go against Roberts Holding Croft Garner? Imran Nawaz Iqbal Qadir? Botham Willis Old Underwood?
January 8th 2013 @ 10:22am
Bearfax said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Just to further emphasise the point about players not improving much more when they hit the early thirties, Steve Waugh’s early batting performance was worse than Cowan’s after the same number of tests. Yet by the time he had reached 30 years of age Waugh was averaging over 47. Yet nine years later when he retired his average had only improved to 51. Waugh developed into the batsman we admire during his 20s. like most batsmen. By the time he was in his early 30s he had reached his peak. I suspect we will find the same with Clarke who is sensational now, and Cowan who is unlikely to get better than a 35 average..
January 8th 2013 @ 11:22am
BennO said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Those are all good points Bearfax, AndyMac and Anon. Cheers.
January 8th 2013 @ 7:38am
Robie said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:38am | Report comment
He hasn’t opened in this time. Cowan needs the boot, play Watson as a specialist batsman at the top of the order. This allows Khawaja and Quiney to both get a run in the test squad, batting at 5 and 6 respectively.
January 8th 2013 @ 7:52am
Hazey the Bear said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Hey Brett,
After watching the majority of the test, my feelings on the issues you’ve raised are as follows:
First, the bowling – Bird has been a great find…great line and length, good economy, and a very nice average of 16 in just two tests. The way he bowls and these attributes remind me of Glenn McGrath (Disclaimer: I’m not saying he is the *next* McGrath, only that his style of bowling is similar and that he reminds me of McGrath. I understand that they are two unique individuals. These are my views and may not be shared with others on theroar.com.au…especially David Lord).
Siddle just continues to work hard for his wickets, and when Pattinson comes in, it’ll be hard not to select him. So who’s left? Johnson and Starc. Both lefties, both often wayward – to me you pick either one or the other. Johnson apparently has batting credentials as well, but as you’ve commented Brett, it’s an occasional added bonus rather than something you could depend on as a number 7. Lyon has been unlucky this summer – there have been a few missed opportunities that could’ve (should’ve) granted him a few extra wickets. His best opportunities come when he gives the ball a little extra flight and slows it down. Unfortunately, that doesn’t happen often enough. Hopefully someone will have a word to him about that.
Now the batting. As we discussed in the live forum, Cowan will probably stay, because no one else is banging down the opening batsman door. Sure you could put Watson back in there, but Cowan’s done enough (only just) to warrant staying in there. Although, now I’ve just read that Watson has officially given up test bowling and will concentrate on batting…That muddies the water nicely, doesn’t it? I’ll leave that discussion for another day.
Warner has done some great things, and if he can control that rush of blood he often gets, will do some even greater things. Hughes has been okay since his return, and he looks a better player from his exile. Clarke has come off a record-breaking year, and hopefully he can continue to impress as captain and batsman. I think his captaincy has had some interesting moments, but overall it’s been an improvement on Ponting’s. For me, I’d say Khawaja should come in for Hussey, and Watson maybe…probably…down to six. Or open…I dunno. Plus there’s a bunch of players who are kinda sorta pressing for selection…
But from all of that, putting together a team should be possible. Depending on the pitch, etc, you could have something looking like this:
Cowan
Warner
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Watson
Wade
Siddle
Pattinson
Bird
Lyon
(Starc/Johnson – 12th man)
Although this would be another alternative
Watson
Warner
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Wade
Maxwell, or Burns
Siddle
Pattinson
Bird
Lyon
I dunno…it’s a long hard process, but some of the questions that were raised in the last test have perhaps been answered. Not all, just some.
January 8th 2013 @ 7:57am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Really good post, Haze. So good, that I now don’t have time to reply, so I’ll come back to you in an hour or so…
January 8th 2013 @ 8:00am
Hazey the Bear said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Aww, I put like…two minutes of effort into that!
January 8th 2013 @ 8:07am
Red Kev said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:07am | Report comment
I actually like the look of side no.2 better despite the inclusion of Shane ‘sicknote’ Watson, although if Burns played he’d be above Wade.
January 8th 2013 @ 10:33am
Rob Barrow said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Haze understand your viewpoint but i think Cowan has had enough chances and at his age is just not improving. I would go with your second team list, watson and warner to open, Khawaja at 4 and bring in Burns as Maxwell’s bowling won’t be good enough at the test level.
January 8th 2013 @ 9:56am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Ha, sorry pal, had to do a few things before the mercury got too high…
On your points:
- Bird I completely agree with you, but I’ll add that I have absolutely no problem with the ‘next McGrath’ tag. Copeland had it, Clark had it before that. It’s not a denigration, it’s a sign of how much respect people have for his ability and his talent. Of course he should try to be his own bowler, but the tag shouldn’t be seen as anything other than a massive compliment.
- Siddle-Pattinson is becoming a decent combination, too. Perhaps not McGrath-Gillespie, but getting up there. And yeah, a Siddle-Pattinson-Bird attack has a good fell about it, a balance of aggression and pressure. And point taken on leaving out the lefties.
- The batting waters are certainly muddied by the revelation of Watson wanting back in at the top. Not to mention the coach speaking about it publicly – what does that do and say for the guy currently doing the job, if the coach is openly talking about another option? Yet another case of public comment offered when it doesn’t really help.
- this little bit here, “and Watson maybe…probably…down to six. Or open…I dunno” just highlights how complex the situation is. There’s so many variations floating out there that it’s impossible for anything like consensus to be reached.
I like the look of your first team, to be honest, and I’d tell Watson that if he wants up, he needs to start scoring runs down lower to force his way up. I wouldn’t let him just walk back in at the top…
(hope that covers off your two minutes!!)
January 8th 2013 @ 9:57am
Hazey the Bear said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:57am | Report comment
I feel better now, thank you.
January 8th 2013 @ 11:18pm
lou said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:18pm | Report comment
Watson’s ego-driven angsting in the press is unhelpful to put it politely. He’ll change his story 5/6 times in the next month. He should be blackballed from speaking to the press for the good of everyone else in the team.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:09am
Jared said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:09am | Report comment
I like the second side you named there as I think Maxwell can be our second spin option in the Indian series as well as a handy batsmen at 6 or 7
January 8th 2013 @ 10:39am
Bearfax said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:39am | Report comment
I would only pick Maxwell if his batting continues to improve. Being able to spin would be a bonus but we want batsmen, not two all rounders with reasonable but not great batting averages. I wouldnt be picking Quiney…he’s another Shaun March/North. I’d want Watson to improve his batting if he is going into the side without bowling, because his batting test average is not much better than Cowan’s. Not sure why young Burns is being left out of the loop. Has a reasonable first class average (better than many who they are selecting) and he’s a young gun. I suppose he hasn’t lit the world up yet this season. As for Lyons….who else have we got?. He’s doing a reasonable job and its hard to impress after Warne and McGill. Khawaja is an essential. Wade is an essential. Warner and Hughes work well together and get the score moving along early. Siddle, Patterson, Bird and Starc are the quickies I’d stick with for now.
As for a clean sweep. I would suggest the Oz selectors should have learned a serious lesson playing only five batsmen and Wade at 6. And they wont have Hussey in future. Was madness and almost lost Oz the game. Wade”s opportune century saved us otherwise it was Sri Lanka’s test…and then with a pedestrian bowling attack. India and England would have made mince meat of Oz if they try that again…real dumb.
January 8th 2013 @ 10:10pm
Sunil said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:10pm | Report comment
Watching Khawaja in the T20 match against the Stars and he looked inn great form. Interesting to see Quiney keep wicket.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:22am
Christo the Daddyo said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:22am | Report comment
I think you could be on the money with that first lineup Hazey. But I wonder whether the selectors might swap Watson and Khawaja around?
And although I can’t think who I would drop, I would really like Starc in the team. He seems to bowl better the longer he goes (so with this current trend of resting bowlers every five minutes that may turn out to be a problem) and he offers good variation to the other quicks.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:29am
Hazey the Bear said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Yeah Johnson got the drop for Starc – No explicit reason, just…Johnson irks me for some reason. I think he had so much potential when he first arrived on the test scene. He was strong, athletic…he had the possibility to bowl unplayable deliveries on occasion, and contribute strongly with the bat on occasion.
I think he’s still doing that…on occasion. And that’s the problem. If he’s the player that had so much of that potential, his successes should happen a lot more often because he should have improved…but it’s all still on occasion.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:30am
Hazey the Bear said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:30am | Report comment
And I think the first line up is more what the selectors are thinking…minimal changes to the side, although their poster boy Johnson will probably make an appearance.
January 8th 2013 @ 9:32pm
TJ said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:32pm | Report comment
Burns form over the last two years warrants emerging batting status and given lack of current run machines putting their hand up, would be happy to see him given a chance just like UTK was the previous season.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:20am
eagleJack said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:20am | Report comment
The four quicks “experiment” was only brought about by the injury to Watson (and the fact the Lankans are horrible against pace). It was a one off and we won the Test. So objective accomplished.
Watson will come back in and Khawaja will replace Hussey.
One thing the NSPs “rotation” policy has achieved is a genuine depth in the fast bowling ranks that we have never seen. We no longer have a clear standout like McGrath who is an automatic selection. Instead we now have 6 blokes who all have Test experience who will all do a job if called upon. Im in the boat that the policy has been a success. I believe that there is now a clear order established and for a series like the Ashes we will pick our 3 best available quicks for each game (for me that’s Siddle, Bird, Pattinson/Starc).
January 8th 2013 @ 10:37am
Rob Barrow said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Eaglejack iteresting point. We have a couple of bowlers in Pattinson, Cummins and Starc who can develop into the next great bowlers. For the batters i see Warner, Khawaja and Hughes as our next best batsman, Khawaja in particular needs to be given a proper go to show what he can do as he is a real talent.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:22am
Redb said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Good article. The team is in flux and up to 4 batting positions are not set, really only Warner and Clarke would be considered batting mainstays in the Aust top 6. The bowling is likewise a revolving door thanks to injuries and the absurd rotation policy, however I think given a bit of luck with injuries our bowling attack is far more potent than our batting when you add Pattinson and Cummins back into the line up.
The loss of Ponting and Hussey is massive, both Cowan and Hughes are not test class, although Hughes probably did enough in Sydney.
As for Wade, his batting is excellent, glove work terrible especially in Sydney, imagine what it would be like in India with the spinners!’ I wonder if the selectors would have the guts to leave Wade at 6 as a specialist batsmen and bring in Paine as keeper?
January 8th 2013 @ 9:58am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:58am | Report comment
“imagine what it would be like in India with the spinners!”
It’s a sobering thought, on current form, Red…
January 8th 2013 @ 3:25pm
JamesP said | January 8th 2013 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
I think Wade would have won he man of the match award for the Sydney Test had it not been for his keeping. He needs to spend the next month practicing with Nathan Lyon to learn how to keep properly to spin. After all, he has just turned 25 and will basically be the first choice keeper for the next decade should he play his cards right.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:24am
Christo the Daddyo said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Brett, I’m not sure your question about Matthew Wade was the right one. There doesn’t seem to be too much wrong with his batting – it’s his wicketkeeping that’s the problem. And considering that’s the main reason he’s in the team, it’s a significant worry. He’ll be strongly tested in India…
January 8th 2013 @ 9:39am
Atawhai Drive said | January 8th 2013 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Rod Marsh was dubbed ‘Iron Gloves’ after his debut Test against England in 1970. He failed both times with the bat in that Test.
The selectors stuck with him and Marsh came good with gloves and bat, although he finished with an average under 27.
Wade already has two Test centuries and averages 45.55. At 25, he has time on his side to develop his glovework.
But, as I may have said already, the modern wicketkeeper is a batsman first and a keeper second.
January 8th 2013 @ 2:25pm
matt h said | January 8th 2013 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
With Haddin back feeling the love is there a possibility that Wade plays 6 and Haddin takes the gloves in India / England? They are lookiing for experience in the team to assist Clarke and replace the Hussey/Ponting brains trust. I’m truly scared when after Clarke our oldest heads are Watson, Johnson and Siddle – not really a set of cricketing brain surgeons there. Some have called for D Hussey in the team to provide experience but Haddin’s batting form has been much better and his keeping …. well he’s not worse than Wade.
January 8th 2013 @ 5:33pm
Bearfax said | January 8th 2013 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
If you have a wicketkeeper, why are you weakening the side with another one. You need 7 players who wlll supply you enough runs to win a match especially with so many new batsmen in the side. Australia almost lost the last match against Sri Lanka because they had five batsmen and Wade. If Wade hadnt scored his century they would have lost the match…and against a Sri Lanka side decimated by injury. NO NO NO Its a bad idea bringing in Haddin. I’d prefer Maxwell, Watson, Burns at 6. I’d also have Khawaja in at four.
January 8th 2013 @ 11:20pm
lou said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:20pm | Report comment
Problem is Haddin’s keeping to spin is equally poor. His selection as keeper would be a non-solution to a real problem.
January 8th 2013 @ 10:02am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Valid point Christo, but I thought it was worth talking about him as a no.6 option. Like Haddin occasionally, he can be a solid option if the fifth bowler is really required, but also like Haddin, he still gives us ‘moments’ up at the stumps.
I heard or read a really good suggestion that as handy as it is to have Steve Rixon in the set-up as fielding coach, CA could do a lot worse than have a fulltime national wicket-’keeping coach available for all state ‘keepers, but who also spends a lot of time with the Australian gloveman in prep for Tests. I think the idea has merit, and there’s already guys like Wade Seccombe, Darren Berry, etc around the country in coaching ranks..
January 8th 2013 @ 11:40am
Justin2 said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Rixon is a former keeper, so he should be getting some pretty tuition.
January 8th 2013 @ 11:56am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:56am | Report comment
Rixon’s been there all summer, J2. Would you say Wade’s benefited, or at least shown signs of benefiting from Rixon being there?
Genuine question, I wonder how much ‘keeping is done in the nets, and how much ‘keeping is done to Lyon and other net spinners??
January 8th 2013 @ 8:25am
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:25am | Report comment
a very good article.
Your point about our inexperienced batting line ip for mine must means Watson returns as soon as ready. Would you agree?
the others point i think you nailed was the concern not of Wade batting at 6 but Johnson at 7 and the fact that Lyon isn’t too bad and certainly deserves to stay in the set up.
I might add about having 4 seamers…. it is complete over kill. 3 seamers and a spinner is all you need. If you have a part timer to roll arms over from your batters well then fine but not necessary.
January 8th 2013 @ 10:09am
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 10:09am | Report comment
I don’t agree that Watson returns as soon as ready, WW, no. That’s precisely why I made the point about Warner and Hughes being our next most experienced behind Clarke, as I don’t think Watson has earned the automatic call-up that you obviously do. He’s not in the Mike Hussey class, and he probably even trails the Simon Katich class in terms of ‘pick when fit’, in my view.
If he wants to be in the top 6 bats in the country, he has to produce the numbers like anyone else, and I don’t know that he’s done that over the last two years. I’m happy for him to be in touring squads, but I want a big a ODI series from him – wherever he bats – before I attempt to shoehorn him back in.
Agree on your other points though, particularly 3+1 being all you should need. I’ve never been a big fan of playing 4 quicks (with the possible exception of in Perth), and I like the 4+1 mix even less. And the Captain’s regularly stated his preference to play a spinner, too..
January 8th 2013 @ 11:54am
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Cheers for your reply. It looks like we can agree to disagree on Watson but let me be clear…. i never said he was in hussey’s class.
But he does average 43 as an opener…..
and so in the current climate ie a lack of genuine batting talent and experience he is a certainty if fit of that i am sure. Lets not forget his performance in india last time he averaged 68 and his last tour of England he averaged 48. Valuable experience considering hardly any of the current players have played test cricket in both india and england where we are plating our next 9 tests.
lets also not forget his last test innings was a fighting 80 odd just when we needed it.
I also might add that if watson is not bowling we need a genuine no 6 all rounder and i believe moises henriques is our best option to balance the side.
January 8th 2013 @ 12:00pm
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
I’m talking about Hussey and Katich’s class in terms of being an immediate recall, though WW, I know you weren’t saying Watson is in Hussey’s class generally.
Roarer Disco right down the bottom posted a link to a really good analysis on CricInfo on the Watson the batsman, and I’d really encourage you to check it out. It will definitely put “he does average 43 as an opener” into context, particularly his most recent year as an opener..
January 8th 2013 @ 12:49pm
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
in regards to hussey as an automatic selection compared to watson yes i get that… but it is all relative… at the moment we simply do not have good enough players in australian cricket for watson not to be an automatic pick. Katich… i am not sure where you’re going with that.
i enjoyed the link but it was ridiculously one sided against a player that has a comparable record to what S waugh had in his first 30 odd tests. I know for a fact S waugh averaged mid 30′s up until around his 50th test, when he stopped playing as a genuine all rounder and started to concentrate solely on his role as a top 5 batsman.
If Watson concentrates solely on his batting he is going to be a valuable 40+ average batsman and hopefully as an opener. These are not exactly common to come by. Slater and Langer also averaged low to mid 40′s opening. Yes he has a weakness in that he plants his foot down and is suspect to LBW. but if he can average 43 opening…. whats the problem exactly?
as for form etc well class is permanent and I see a class international experienced cricketer. In case you’ve not noticed we don’t have many of them at the moment.
January 8th 2013 @ 1:02pm
Red Kev said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Unfortunately for you the facts are that Waugh played his 50th test when he was just turning 28. Watson is already 31 and has only played 38 tests. This is as good as he gets. He’ll also be 35 by the time he makes it to 50 tests because he has to miss so many with arthritis.
January 8th 2013 @ 1:24pm
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
whats age got to do with it……
hussey didn’t make his test debut until he was 30
January 8th 2013 @ 1:45pm
Red Kev said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
Bringing Mike Hussey into the debate is not smart on your part.
Hussey debuted 10 tests AFTER Watson did so theoretically Watson should have more experience. However Hussey played every single test match from his debut to his retirement (79 consecutive tests), Watson has only played 38 of the possible 89 during his career.
Perhaps you’d like to compare Watson’s first-class average when selected to Hussey’s first-class average? Or maybe century conversion rate. Or maybe highest score.
Or maybe you’d like to compare test records of Mike Hussey after 38 tests to the record of Shane ‘sicknote’ Watson?
January 8th 2013 @ 6:10pm
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
Em you brought up the irrelevant issue of age
January 8th 2013 @ 6:24pm
Bearfax said | January 8th 2013 @ 6:24pm | Report comment
WW. Hussey was averaging 50+ when he was promoted to the test team. Age has everything to do with it. Do a little research and find out.
January 8th 2013 @ 6:28pm
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
Yes but what has Watsons age got to do with his ability to be an opening test bat. He’s 31. His fc average is mid 40′s. his test opening average is 43. He could play for another 7 years
January 8th 2013 @ 7:03pm
Bearfax said | January 8th 2013 @ 7:03pm | Report comment
Sorry WW. Missed your point. Personally I would have preferred a Hughes-Warner opening pair but looks like thats not going to happen. I think Watson’s batting would improve markedly if he gave up bowling, but he would have to prove himself because his test batting average is only slightly better than Cowan’s at test level. But yes he has a mid 40s first class batting average so the talent is there. I would certainly prefer a Watson-Warner opening pair to a Cowan-Warner pair. Would get Oz off to a healthier quicker start instead of just relying on Warner to score. But firstly lets get Khawaja into the team
January 8th 2013 @ 1:10pm
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Again, as I’ve stated all day today, if Watson can force his way in through weight of runs in the ODIs and tour games then so be it, but I don’t think his current form warrants an immediate return, and nor is the experience issue that relevant – as I mentioned, Warner and Hughes won’t be that far behind Watson in terms of Tests played..
(And Katich was just a follow-on to Hussey in the ‘pick when fit’ equation. Hussey you’d definitely have picked when fit again, Katich you’d probably have taken, but I don’t think that’s the case with Watson..)
January 8th 2013 @ 1:23pm
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
experience is experience… its not just about tests played. watson has been an international cricketer for almost ten years.
his last test match knock was a valuable 80 odd.
he does not have to prove anything. He simply needs to get fit and come back into the side.
January 8th 2013 @ 1:39pm
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
I’m sorry, but Test Match experience absolutely is about the number of Tests played. A couple of young guys with 20-25 Tests in three years won’t be that far behind another with less than 40 Tests in seven years.
You’re obviously a fan of Watson, that’s fine. I think he’s a fine cricketer, but I want him to earn his spot back through runs, because his reputation doesn’t present that compelling a case. As you said at the top, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this, because none of your figures and points have convinced me otherwise..
January 8th 2013 @ 2:11pm
sittingbison said | January 8th 2013 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
WW his last knock was laborious, and he was dropped on 30 by replacement keeper Sangga putting down a sitter. Then he got out slogging straight after Clarke leaving two new batsmen at the crease. Many of his shots were ugly mistimed heaves over cow corner.
That knock more than anything demonstrated just how woefully out of form he is.
January 8th 2013 @ 6:12pm
WW said | January 8th 2013 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
Agreed his knock was not his best. Sign of a class player to still catch around for 80 when his country needed him
January 8th 2013 @ 2:26pm
matt h said | January 8th 2013 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
4 quicks is like two spinners. You only do it when conditions scream for it. Otherwise 3 + 1.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:30am
Allanthus said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Hi Brett
I agree with you about Lyon, he had the disappointing day in Adelaide, not being able to break through when conditions should have suited, but otherwise has bowled well enough and has suffered from missed chances.
Wade’s batting is obviously a bonus, he’s a very strong No7. or else can bat No6. if conditions demand an extra bowler. (Or if the selectors continue to promise all the bowlers a game at the same time…) But he will need to improve to another level standing up to Lyon in India, this could hurt them at a key moment.
The timing for the India tour couldn’t be better, it provides for a current comparison v England, it’s s step up in difficulty from Sri Lanka, but not as difficult as past India tours – their side is a pale shadow of what it has been in recent years. As messy as the Ponting and Hussey exits have been, it’s nothing on how India have dealt with (or haven’t dealt with) Tendulkar’s retirement.
January 8th 2013 @ 8:37am
Redb said | January 8th 2013 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Agree on Lyon in Adelaide and Hobart for that matter where a spinner should have been in his element with a 5 day pitch and tailenders. At the end of the day he is our best spin option, hopefully another will stand up.
January 8th 2013 @ 1:04pm
Rhys said | January 8th 2013 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Allanthus, I agree in full with your sentiments about India being a shadow of what they were 2-3 years back. I noticed that Tendulkar scored a century the other day in a first class game, but his own downward spiral of form is the clearest indication that India are a spent force (for now).
Only three of their players would (or should) be automatic selections for the Australian series – Dhoni, Kohli & Ashwin. If they play 2 spinners (which is highly likely) then Ohja gets added to that select group who warrant automatic selection.
For all the conjecture and concern about Australia being in a rebuilding phase (read state of disarray), India is in far worse shape. Given England had great success there only recently, the upcoming Border-Gavaskar series will offer some valuable points of comparison between Australia and England.