White ball could be the red-ball making of Usman Khawaja
By Brett McKay, 11 Jan 2013 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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It all started from a simple reply to a comment. One of you insightful Roarers out there mentioned earlier this week that you weren’t completely sold on the idea of using one-day and Twenty20 cricket as a build-up to a Test series.
My reply was something along the lines of, “I agree, but I’m very glad that that’s what they’ve done with Phillip Hughes and Usman Khawaja.”
And I meant it. Hughes is still finding his feet again in the Australian set-up, and Khawaja’s inclusion in the Aussie one-day side will be his only chance to re-accustom himself to the national team ahead of an expected and deserved recall for the upcoming four-Test series in India.
Both Hughes and Khawaja will make their ODI debuts in Melbourne today.
All these comments were made before the penny dropped for me while watching Khawaja bat on Wednesday night in the Big Bash League.
As I watched Khawaja batting with Sydney Thunder teammate Chris Gayle, it was unsurprisingly obvious how different their methods to reeling in the Melbourne Stars’ score were.
Gayle is well known for his complete lack of subtlety, of course, and he often sees no point in taking an easy single when there’s a fence to be cleared. He lives by the long-handled sword, and up until his 65 at the MCG, he’d been dying by the sword all tournament. Up until Wednesday night, Brad Haddin rather had a point.
Khawaja, for the 4.4 overs that he and the Windies master blaster batted together, just went about his business compiling a score without the dramatics or the sledgehammer approach. Khawaja did clear the mid-wicket fence at one point with a superbly well-timed pull shot, but like he did throughout the BBL this summer, he made his runs with proper, orthodox cricket shots.
And it was here the penny dropped. His white-ball form could just be the red-ball making of Khawaja in the Australian team once again.
After a pretty ordinary season for New South Wales last season, Khawaja made the well-publicised move to Queensland. Numerous reasons have been suggested for his relocation, including the notion that he saw no avenue for improvement in the existing NSW set-up (which is now under complete review, following the mid-season sacking of coach Anthony Stuart), and a desire to re-energise his game under the tutelage of Bulls coach Darren Lehmann.
That move, now, looks likely to result in a reintroduction to his six-Test-old Baggy Green.
Khawaja’s season started beautifully, with a well-made 88 in Queensland’s first Shield game of the season. He followed that with two more Shield fifties and his first Shield century for the Bulls on a rough Bellerive deck in Hobart, as well as another fifty for the Cricket Australia Chairman’s XI he was captaining against Sri Lanka in Canberra.
However, what was really interesting among all this was his sudden effectiveness in the Ryobi Cup one-dayers. Where Khawaja was little more than a bit-part player in the limited overs games for NSW, he’s played in all five of Queensland’s white-ball outings this year and has three fifties to his name, all at a decent clip.
We often lament that the days of the 1000-run season might be behind us, but as of the other night, Khawaja currently sits with 957 runs to his name across Shield, Ryobi Cup, the BBL, and the Chairman’s XI tour match.
He’s topping the runs tally for Queensland in both competitions, and was the standout Thunder batsman by the length of a Chris Gayle six. His strike rates have lifted across the board compared to both his career figures and his last season for NSW.
With the possible exception of Bulls teammate Peter Forrest last season, Khawaja might just be Queensland’s best-performed New South Wales import since Greg Inglis.
This form has unsurprisingly flowed into his Big Bash form, too, where from the couch it appears as though he’s enjoying his time in the middle with Gayle particularly, however short-lived it’s been.
What’s been most impressive has been that Khawaja has just gone out there and batted. He’s ignored the garish uniforms, the DJs, the fireworks, and just batted. He’s turned the strike over well, put away the bad balls, and yes, even cleared the rope when the opportunity has presented.
You might imagine that Lehmann’s message is as simple as “Just go out there and bat”, and Khawaja is doing just that and more.
Today, he has the chance to show his wares on the national stage again, in what will be a massive opportunity ahead of the Indian series. As he’s done all season so far, he just needs to forget about the colour of his clothes, and the colour of the ball, and just bat.
The ability to turn over the strike is vitally important in limited-overs cricket, but so will it be crucial in building partnerships in India. One the reasons Michael Clarke and Mike Hussey were so successful a batting partnership was the relative ease with which they changed the strike over.
Khawaja’s done that well in the BBL, and he’s well equipped to do the same in the one-dayers, and in India, too.
Khawaja is a decent player of spin, has shown he’s not scared of leaving his crease, and again, importantly for the subcontinent, has the soft hands to cater for late surprises.
His time has arrived, again. This time he can make it for good.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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January 11th 2013 @ 7:17am
Allanthus said | January 11th 2013 @ 7:17am | Report comment
Hi Brett
Absolutely agree. He’s a test quality batsman, unlucky to be dropped in the first place, and it’s great to finally see him getting a run this season at top level. I’m looking forward to seeing him bat in India – assuming that the selectors don’t stack the side with bowlers again because they’ve promised them all a game…
January 11th 2013 @ 8:32am
saad said | January 11th 2013 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Usman Khawaja is a muslim cricketer in
australian cricket team. Hashim Amla is also a
muslim cricketer in South Africa. If Khawaja
want to make a permanent place in australian
cricket team, he will have to play like Amla.
Average of 60 in ODI and 50 in test cricket.
January 11th 2013 @ 9:38am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Saad, I don’t think Khawaja’a (or Amla’s) Muslim faith has any bearing on their ability to play cricket, and their currency is simply runs. If Khawaja wants to become a permanent part of the Australian cricket team, he simply just needs to keep making runs..
January 11th 2013 @ 9:38am
Christo the Daddyo said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:38am | Report comment
If he plays like Amla that will be fantastic. But your implied religious discrimination is offensive and not supported by any facts.
January 11th 2013 @ 9:56am
pope paul v11 said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Devo that Ussie didn’t play against Sth Africa, I had my “Our muslim is better than your muslim” sign all ready
January 11th 2013 @ 10:06am
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Hard to back up as a statement, but a corker of a sign nonetheless.
January 11th 2013 @ 2:51pm
RickG said | January 11th 2013 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Unnecessary and offensive comment Saad. Go away.
January 12th 2013 @ 10:39am
Bayman said | January 12th 2013 @ 10:39am | Report comment
That line of thinking is very Saad.
January 11th 2013 @ 8:53am
Sanjay said | January 11th 2013 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Champion batsman who is ready for the next level
January 11th 2013 @ 7:34am
Matt F said | January 11th 2013 @ 7:34am | Report comment
I didn’t know you considered me insightful Brett! I assume I’ll be receiving a percentage of what you were paid for writing the article
I should point out that, when I made the comment, I was actually referring to Haddin and Cutting (mainly Cutting as Haddin has already shown what he can do at Test level) who have been in picked despite having quite poor Ryobi Cup form. Hughes and Khawaja have earned their spots on merit through their performances in the Ryobi Cup this summer
January 11th 2013 @ 7:40am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Ha, if I could’ve found the comment again Matt, I’d have happily quoted you directly! That thread on Tuesday got too big to find anything, so you’ll just have to be content with my apologies and humble thanks.
And I knew you weren’t talking about Khawaja and Hughes, but that didn’t matter; it got the ball rolling on this particluar topic, and I’m genuinely looking forward to seeing how both Hughes and Khawaja go in these first couple of ODIs..
January 11th 2013 @ 7:55am
Matt F said | January 11th 2013 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Well, I suppose I’ll have to settle for that!
I can’t wait to see how they go. I know I’m clearly in the minority but I’m actually more interested in this series now that we’ve got a lot of new players in there then I would be if we had the usual players. It’s not as if we’ll remember the series result in 12 months time, and we’ll probably be praying for it to end once we hit the middle of the WIndies 5 game series, so the number of new, or “newish”, players in the side (throw in Finch, Maxwell etc) has actually given this series a point of interest that it wouldn’t have otherwise had, at least for me.
January 11th 2013 @ 8:37am
sheek said | January 11th 2013 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Matt/Brett,
I would most respectfully suggest more people than Matt (whose writing I admire) have suggested they aren’t sold on onedayers & T20 being used as leadups for test cricket. I myself have been brutally blunt in my opposition to the changed season format.
Anyway, well argued Brett. I’m know you’re not actually saying this, but I’m feeling mischievous anyway – can we say that the BBL is the new Sheffield Shield?!!!
Also, Kawaja’s batting goes back to Henriques comments to me before Xmas. Basically, Moises suggested T20 was the same as the longer form, but played in a series of miniature vignettes [my words].
January 11th 2013 @ 9:40am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Sheek, you may NOT say the BBL is the new Sheffield Shield, no!!
Henriques is right of course, and this has always been my point bout just watching T20 for the contest – when you get down to the lowest level, it’s still just a batsman facing a bowler…
January 11th 2013 @ 10:00am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:00am | Report comment
(redundant post..)
January 11th 2013 @ 12:46pm
Timmuh said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
I’m not sold on one day and T20 form being usd to select anythign other than one day and T20 teams respectively.
Giving a guy like Cutting a chance to be part of the national set-up in what are really little more than practice matches, however, I think is a good move. Even moreso when the BBL is still on and they can’t show his First Class form – the only form that should count for Test selection.
Limitd overs selection is about two tings: the next world cup, and giving guys a chance at international cricket who are inexperienced. Cutting will be better prepared for any Test call-up from being in the LOI squad than from playing BBL.
January 11th 2013 @ 8:43am
Lukeling said | January 11th 2013 @ 8:43am | Report comment
I agree with MattF. For all the media furore over the team selections I am looking forward to watching these first couple of games to see some new talent. I am not convinced about Bailey as Captain & think Huss should have played the series but getting to see more of Khawaja, Hughes & Finch definitely adds interest for me. I haven’t really cared about seeing an OD game in a while.
January 11th 2013 @ 9:58am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Matt (and Lukeling), you’re right, the new and newish players do bring a different element of excitement to these ODIs now, and this is exactly what Bailey was takling about yesterday. I hope they bat first and post a big score with everyone contributing – that’d be just about ideal..
January 11th 2013 @ 10:56am
Disco said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Apart from Haddin – I have no interest whatsoever in watching him.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:00am
Lukeling said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Me too, what a wasted opportunity. Sure Haddin has been playing well but his selection flies in the face of the selectors comments on Hussey. I think it is more an indicator that Haddin will be going to India & the Ashes.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:05am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Disco, it’ll be interesting to see where Haddin bats, actually – Bailey rattled of his top five yesterday, and Haddin wasn’t in it…
January 11th 2013 @ 7:37am
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 7:37am | Report comment
I think a lot of credit for Khawaja’s recall has to go to Lehmann. It was obvious to most of us that Khawaja has the talent and the technique / game to be a quality international cricketer – Boof has him playing like one, and for a left-hand batsman you can’t really ask for a better mentor than Lehmann (except maybe Mr Cricket himself).
I hope he does well.
In face I hope to see 50s from all of the top four today.
January 11th 2013 @ 8:13am
A1 said | January 11th 2013 @ 8:13am | Report comment
I love Boof and he does deserve some credit for Uzzy having a good year. But it’s not like he made him or redid his technique like Hughes. He’s always been a very good player he just needed to be picked for Oz.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:02am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:02am | Report comment
A1, he probably needed to make runs again, too, then he could be line for selection again…
January 11th 2013 @ 9:43am
Markus said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:43am | Report comment
It is amazing how often this seems to happen. Remember Shane Watson? On track to be the greatest all-rounder in the history of the game, but then he moved to NSW and became the most overrated showpony in the history of sport!
January 11th 2013 @ 10:12am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:12am | Report comment
What, precisely, are you basing that assertion on Markus? How does a change of address bring such an assessment?
January 11th 2013 @ 10:16am
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:16am | Report comment
I thought he was being tongue in cheek – like the article on rugby saying that with a move to the Rebels Higginbotham will go from being Australia’s best blindside flanker and a real danger man to a seagulling winger-wannabe.
January 11th 2013 @ 10:31am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:31am | Report comment
let’s hope you’re right Kev, It’s a strange comment otherwise…
January 11th 2013 @ 10:58am
Disco said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:58am | Report comment
He’s barely played for NSW.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:13am
Sanjay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Agreed red kev, Boof had alot to do with Khawaja’s improvement showing that leaving NSW helped khawaja, I am predicting he will be a key part if the ashes
January 11th 2013 @ 2:20pm
nachos supreme said | January 11th 2013 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Could it be a break out tour for him in the way 89 was for Waugh and Taylor I wonder? (assuming he’s picked that is). I hope so!
January 11th 2013 @ 2:49pm
Talisman said | January 11th 2013 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
Good to see a coach with some nous appears to be getting the best out of UK. The test will come when he starts batting under the Australian coaches’ tutelage – will their on instructions how to play have a detrimental effect on his batting. It’s happened to others, particularly when Langer was there. And I understand Stuart Law isn’t interested anymore in the Australian batting coach’s job. Is this correct?
January 12th 2013 @ 10:38am
Bayman said | January 12th 2013 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Talisman,
Yes, I believe Law has gone back to the Centre of Excellence.
January 11th 2013 @ 8:40am
sledgeross said | January 11th 2013 @ 8:40am | Report comment
To a degree, it reminds me of the good old days when players would be blooded for the Test team by playing one dayers. Blokes would serve their apprenticeship playing 50 overs and when a spot came up in the Baggy Green, selectors and teammates would know if they had the right stuff. If you have a look at the old Australia A days in the Benson and Hedges series, majority of those blokes played Test cricket at some point.
Im still not convinced about Khawaja, but if he can show he can build an innings in these matches, it will go along way to convincing people he is ready to cement his place.
January 11th 2013 @ 9:21am
josh said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:21am | Report comment
it would have been even better if like the good days the ODI were played in between the tests. Then Khawaja (or any other fringe player) after a run of decent scores could get a call up to the test side.
Now days rightly or wrongly its all pre planned sides for matches, regardless of form.
January 11th 2013 @ 10:04am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Sledgie, I had that very point in the first draft but left it out. It’s absolutely a throwback to years gone by, where young players were brought into the side via the one-day team. Without the one-dayers we wouldn’t have seen the likes of Dean Jones, Simon O’Donnell and Mark Waugh, back in the day, and even more recently, Gilchrist, Symonds, Michael Clarke himself, Mike Hussey… they all played one day cricket before graduating to the Test team..
January 11th 2013 @ 11:07am
Chaos said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Swampy Marsh was another player with better ODI record then his test record. 9 ODI tonnes vs 4 test. He did play the sheet anchor role in ODI (allowed players like Jones to flourish) and with his style I found it odd it didn’t translate to tests…
January 11th 2013 @ 11:10am
Sanjay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:10am | Report comment
He is ready, just needs a chance. If he gets half the chance Cowan got then he will do very well
January 11th 2013 @ 9:50am
Behold said | January 11th 2013 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Just because Usman wasn’t considered for NSW is NSWs fault not his own, he averaged 73 last year in Ryobi Cup scoring 2 centuries in 3 games, I am not sure there is any change in the way he plays ODD this year.
January 11th 2013 @ 10:09am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Behold, his strike rates have gone up accross the board, regardless of whether that’s a conscious change or one borne out of confidence gained. One of the criticisms in his early Tests was that he would get bogged down, and didn’t have the ability to turn over the strike. I don’t think there’s any question that’s improved this season..
January 11th 2013 @ 11:17am
Sanjay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:17am | Report comment
NSW did not do justice to khawaja in the shorter format, I remember in 2010 they picked Tim Crushank ahead if Khawaja after just 1 Ryobi game and didn’t take him to the champions trophy in 2010 when he was their best performer with the bat, we are now seeing Binga come out and say that cricket NSW needs to fix ifs structure up and they do
January 11th 2013 @ 10:01am
pope paul v11 said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Bloody hope so. He’s better than Warner, Cowan, Watto and Hughes. Needs a little bit of time to prove it.
January 11th 2013 @ 10:10am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:10am | Report comment
I don’t care who’s better, Pope, as long as they’re all making runs. It’s quite possible – maybe even likely – they’ll all be in the top 6 together come the First Test in India..
January 11th 2013 @ 10:48am
jameswm said | January 11th 2013 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Brett
What did you mean by maybe Haddin was right (about Gayle)?
January 11th 2013 @ 11:00am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:00am | Report comment
That up until the 60-odd in his last innings, Gayle hadn’t done a lot for his money..
January 11th 2013 @ 12:51pm
josh said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Says second last to last place?
January 11th 2013 @ 11:01am
Cameron Rose said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:01am | Report comment
While this may come as a surprise to some, I actually like when potential test players are blooded in ODI cricket. Mark Waugh and Adam Gilchrist are the two shining examples that come to mind that solidified my thinking on this topic.
It gives them good international experience, and batting at the top of the order in ODI’s allows you to still build an innings while batting with intent (an important aspect of batsmanship), and I believe you can form an opinion about the chances of a player succeeding at test level after seeing them a few times in a 50 over match.
Since I believe Khawaja should never have been dropped from the test side, and as we know I don’t watch BBL, I’m hoping Brett is right. I also hope the selectors don’t back away now and give him the spot that is surely his in India.
Khawaja should be given the next 14 tests to stake his claim to form the foundation of our test side over the next decade.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:11am
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:11am | Report comment
Cam, Sledgeross mentions that a couple of posts up, and there is an almost nostalgic feel about this method being re-visited. And as a few others have mentioned as well, it’s definitely lifted my overall interest in today’s game, which is not to say I wasn’t going to watch, but rather now there’s specific things to watch within…
January 11th 2013 @ 12:24pm
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
I agree, I am so excited I chucked a sickie so I can watch the whole game.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:19am
Sanjay said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Well said Cameron, what khawaja needs is extended time inn the team and not be bought in for 1-2 games as he was previously, we have a great talent here but he needs a ful series to
Show what he can do
January 12th 2013 @ 11:28am
Bayman said | January 12th 2013 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Cameron,
I hadn’t really thought much about the ODI format being used to blood players for Test cricket or, at least, give them a platform to shine and then on my way to Sydney for the Test I saw on the motel tv a replay of an old Australia vs Australia ‘A’ one-dayer.
The ‘A’ team included Hayden, Blewett, Langer, Lehmann, Ponting and (I think) Law. I was left wondering about the current quality of our next tier batsman compared to that lot. From memory Australia won the match but it went to the last ball of the last over.
I would be nice to think that in ten years time we will be congratulating ourselves for having the likes of Bailey, Khawaja, Hughes, Burns, Head, Finch, Maddinson etc. as back-up.
January 14th 2013 @ 6:22pm
matt h said | January 14th 2013 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
And from memory Australia A got knobbled. I am vague on the details now, but their best bowler (?) for the series was called up to the Australian team and then made 12th man. Can anyone else remember something like this?
I alsoi remember Tubby being an unhappy little captain going around the country as the second most popular Australian team on show. Everyone loves the underdog.
January 11th 2013 @ 11:23am
sheek said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Brett,
You know, I don’t really enjoy my cricket anymore. I kinda watch everything with a detached air. I’m looking at the cricket on the TV, but I’m also reading a mag, or the newspaper, or maybe even doing a house chore.
I’m like the chicken in bacon & eggs – I’m “involved.” But I’m not “committed” like the pig!
I don’t mind T20 for itself. But I have long wondered about its eventual effect on test cricket. Especially when, like now, CA decides to plonk the BBL in the middle of a test series.
You have argued quite reasonably that Usman Kawaja is finding his test form (red ball) through BBL (white ball) & perhaps one dayers (also white ball). Of course, the next tests are in India, so the truth of this remains yet to be fully proven.
Another Roarer somewhere mentioned in his blog that for a long time the balance between two forms – test cricket & one dayers, worked quite well. But the introduction of T20 has upset this delicate balance & both administrators & fans are still coming to terms with how best to progress the structure of the season.
Or words to that effect.
For me, cricket is suffering from a lack of quality players. Which is kinda ironic in this world of wall to wall, 24/7 quantity. Great players are in decline, while characters are few & far between.
But it’s not only cricket, rugby is suffering from the same malaise. What is driving this austerity of attitude?
I find it ironic. Here we are living in the age where everything is accessible at the touch of the button. For the sports fan, it’s heaven, sports 24/7. Yet too much of it is precisely what the network programmers call “fillers.”
It’s certainly quantity, but it’s not equal in quality. Far from it.
Back in the 70s, which wasn’t necessarily a truly vintage decade, every mainland state had a spinner capable of playing for Australia. Every state. Every state had a backup spinner who played at least part of the season.
Every mainland state operated with 3-4 pacemen, many of whom were considered good enough to represent Australia. Of the keeper-batsmen, only SA lacked a test quality player.
Batting wasn’t as strong overall as the bowling, but the likes of the Chappell brothers & Walters made up for the overall lack of talent. But many of the batsmen were goers. Young guns like Kent, Cosier, Yallop, Davis, Langer (Justin’s uncle), Hughes, Hookes & later Border were willing to attack the bowling.
It’s not difficult to overcome the 70s for talent, although I reckon only the 40s & 90s in post-WW2 Australia could match or beat it for overall depth in quality.
To get back to the overall theme of your article, test cricket & Sheffield Shield are inexorably tied to each other. You need that time in the ‘middle’ of a Sheffield Shield match, either batting, bowling or fielding, to prepare mentally & physically for test cricket.
It’s probably an illusion to think it can come via one day cricket or T20 cricket. Players might get away with it here or there. But long-term, in order to maintain the quality of test cricket & keep producing test quality cricketers, they need Sheffield Shield & other equivalent first class comps.
January 11th 2013 @ 12:30pm
TheGenuineTailender said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Sheek, your outlook is rather negative about modern cricket. I love my cricket as much as ever. You growing tired of the game isn’t the games fault. Maybe you need a more modern out look on the game rather than criticising innovative changes to the game like rotation, BBL and players who play all three forms. Cricket will constantly evolve, I’m sure when you were younger and World Series Cricket was in its prime, you would have been celebrating the new look of international cricket, but today you’re lost in your ‘golden era’. Move on Sheek, get with the times, it will benefit you as much as anyone else.
I think you’ll find with the benefit of hindsight, that just as many greats will come from this era as any other. Time is what plays a great factor in sealing players place as greats. We’ll look back at David Warner, Shane Watson, Mitchell Johnson and Michael Clakre as this generations greats. They will be remembered fondly by many for their good and bad traits. But that will become the case only with time, just as the case with many greats of past eras.
I’d also say that every state today has bowlers who many would consider capable of stepping up to test cricket at any given point. You’re implying the depth you’re quoting would all have been successful test cricketers, but in reality, they’d probably all have been the equals of John Hastings in his one off test, or Trent Copeland and have the batting ability of Shaun Marsh or Ed Cowan.
January 11th 2013 @ 12:34pm
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Watson and Johnson have zero chance of being considered greats.
January 11th 2013 @ 1:12pm
The Dish said | January 11th 2013 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
I think the point he is making is that this generation that grew up watching Johnson and Watson play will look at them far more favourably than their equivalent players 30 years in the future
January 11th 2013 @ 1:25pm
JamieJ said | January 11th 2013 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Johnson’s already gone past Alan Davidson as the most successful left armer ever to wear the baggy green (albeit at a cost of about 10 more per wicket). He’s also scored a few more runs than Davo.
Watson may be no better than average in the longer games, but in my opinion is probably the most dangerous limited overs batsman seen here since Gilchrist. And he also pulls in a few wickets.
Just saying-perhaps not greats, but they definitely aren’t the village idiots who couldn’t find the pitch with a map you’re suggesting!!
January 11th 2013 @ 2:04pm
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
That’s a point, Watto is (or will be remembered as) a great limited overs cricketer – I had only been thinking in terms of tests.
January 11th 2013 @ 2:22pm
sheek said | January 11th 2013 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
JamieJ,
Stats are a guide, not the final word, & they can also be like quicksand, devouring the unwary.
I find it mind boggling Johnson has scored more runs per innings than Davidson (23.01 to 21.77) & also has a better bowling strike rate (54.75 to 62.30). Yet you couldn’t seriously say that Johnson is anywhere near Davidson as a quality cricketer.
Unless of course, we’re willing to say anyone who commentated on cricket from 1950 to the present & saw both play, doesn’t know a quality cricketer when they see one!!!
Davidson took a long time to mature as a test cricketer. Although he debuted in 1953, it wasn’t until late 1957/58 that he began to produce the results his talent suggested. In his first 12 tests he took just 16 wickets. But in his remaining 32 tests he took an incredible 164 wickets.
Stats tend to be relevant to the era. As Don Bradman often argued, if you were a champion in your era, then it was reasonable to assume you would be a champion in any era, all things being equal.
January 12th 2013 @ 9:00am
JamieJ said | January 12th 2013 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Lets be clear-I definitely am not saying that Johnson is better than Davidson! Would near cut my fingers off before I typed something like that.
What I meant was that he (and Watto) will likely retire with successful careers and, 15 years post retirement, they’ll be considered successful. It’s like, when we (or I at least) think of Jeff Thomson, I imagine the pre-shoulder injury lethal weapon, not the later version who struggled a bit at times. When I think of David Boon, my memory skates over the late career fade. I suspect that MJ doesn’t have a huge amount of games left, and I think he should be remembered for the 2009 version, not the 2011 vintage disaster.
January 12th 2013 @ 11:06am
Bayman said | January 12th 2013 @ 11:06am | Report comment
JamieJ
I’m glad you cleared that up – having seen a lot of both Davidson and Johnson I can definitely say that Johnson is not in the same class as a bowler. That statistical fact you mentioned – Johnson has more wickets than Davidson in a similar number of Tests – I also mentioned last year to a former Australian captain.
His comment was along the lines of, “It just proves that stats do not tell the whole story”. The ex-skipper was clear in his view that Johnno was not in Davo’s class.
I suspect that one of the factors is that modern batsmen are generally not as good defensively as they were in Davo’s day while the bats, padding, ropes, helmets etc. have greatly added to a more attacking style today from most batsmen. Both of these things help Johnson take wickets.
It would be very interesting to see how Geoff Boycott might have batted today but I guess we’ll never know (although, curiously, he once held the record for the fastest domestic one-day hundred in England).
January 14th 2013 @ 6:27pm
matt h said | January 14th 2013 @ 6:27pm | Report comment
I think the overall point is that the kids of today will look back with the same rose coloured glasses on MJ and Watto that we do on our favourites of years gone by. My 10 year old son idolises Johnson and thinks he is the best player ever, despite all evidence to the contrary. I remember as a 10 year old thinking exactly the same way about David Hookes.
January 11th 2013 @ 12:54pm
TheGenuineTailender said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Look at Watson’s record as an all rounder. Now compare that to say Richie Benaud. Watson gives away some bowling, but would still make the side on his bowling alone, his batting on the other hand is far better that Richie’s and will also get him in the side on it’s own. He’ll be remembered as one of Australia’s best ever all rounders.
Mitchell Johnson, who I’m not a fan of, has over 200 test match wickets. Name another Australian bowler with that tally that wouldn’t be considered a great.
All in time Red Kev, all in time.
January 11th 2013 @ 12:59pm
Red Kev said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Greats have durability and longevity, Watson fulfills neither criteria.
McDermott has 290 odd test wickets, I have never heard him referred to as a great.
January 11th 2013 @ 5:16pm
TheGenuineTailender said | January 11th 2013 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
Watson’s talent should carry him into the fond memories of a generation. Mitchell Johnson could play another four or five years of test cricket. If he does, I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes well past 300 test wickets. This is all hypothetical of course. But there’s no denying the possibility.
January 12th 2013 @ 12:00pm
Bayman said | January 12th 2013 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
GT,
I guess this is not the time to mention that Richie has three Test hundreds to Watson’s two and twenty-three f/c hundreds to Watson’s seventeen. I grant you Watson’s Test average is 37 against Richie’s 24.45 but then Benaud batted mainly at seven or eight and his job was often to score quick runs. But he could bat, GT, and one of those Test hundreds ranked among the fastest of all time.
And when you say “Watson gives away some bowling” it is by some margin. 62 Test wickets at 30.06 to Benaud’s 248 at 27.03 and 196 f/c wickets at 27.98 to Benaud’s 945 wickets at 24.73.
Watson is a long way short of being a better all-rounder than Benaud – even as a batting all-rounder and Benaud was definitely considered a bowling all-rounder and, as such, has few equals in Australian cricket.
January 11th 2013 @ 5:13pm
brendon said | January 11th 2013 @ 5:13pm | Report comment
Not a bad point, I doubt that MJ and Watto will ever be considered greats, maybe Warner and Patto are better examples, but for me the whole not putting your best team on the park thing takes away some enjoyment.
January 11th 2013 @ 12:34pm
Brett McKay said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Sheek, at the end of it all, I don’t think the Shield comp is going anywhere, because for all the criticisms we level at Cricket Australia, we all know they’re not that stupid. Sri Lanka themselves are looking to do a complete review of their setups and competitions, with the underlying worry that their first class system doesn’t have the appropriate priority and isn’t producing the quality it needs anyway.
Ultimately, if we want to keep playing Test Cricket, it needs a healthy First Class scene underneath..
January 11th 2013 @ 2:12pm
sheek said | January 11th 2013 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Well Brett,
Test cricket & Sheffield Shield being tied to each other like an umbilical cord is something that needs to be reinforced to CA.
And to continue the analogy, if you clamp the umbilical cord between them in the middle with say a BBL, guess what might happen…..
January 11th 2013 @ 11:34am
DingoGray said | January 11th 2013 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Really looking forward to ODI this afternoon. Feels like a new beginning for the Australian Team.
At 1st I was filthy of The Huss being omitted (Huss is close thing to GOD as far as I’m concerned) but as it’s sunken in I’ve began to realise that it was a required evil. (Hurts me to say that)
I do have a soft spot for Uzzie and real look forward to watching him make a name for himself!
Also love the way Finch bats!!!!! Great striker!!!!!!!
As for the bowling side, I really wish they gave Cutting 1st crack instead of McKay (something about him I don’t like….Not sure what it is…I know he has a fantastic record for Australia…I just don’t like him! )
But hey that’s my problem, but certainly looking forward to the new beginning!
C’mon on Aussies!
January 11th 2013 @ 12:57pm
langou said | January 11th 2013 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Me too Dingo, I have started to look forward to seeing the youngsters play