Rugby league must grow internationally
By MG Burbank, 15 Jan 2013 MG Burbank is a Roar Guru
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A few days ago I wrote an article which caused some consternation (and some confusion) among my fellow Roarers.
I suggested change to the World Club Challenge. Either it be better co-ordinated in order to become a more meaningful game for both teams, or it should be scrapped.
This moved some of my readers to suggest that I am ‘insular’ and not interested in the growth of our game internationally.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Firstly, I don’t mind seeing the WCC continue, even within its current framework. I just think it can be better and, given a choice, I’d prefer to see our international team playing in England more often than our premiers.
But let’s return to the question of international growth.
For those readers who mentioned countries like Italy and Lebanon as centres of growth, please send me links to evidence that there is any real interest in league coming out of those countries.
Anthony Minichello playing for Italy does not count, unless 10,000 show up to see him play in Rome.
Instead of worrying about Italy and Lebanon, which will be extremely hard nuts to crack, we should instead be doubling efforts in areas which have greater immediate potential for inroads.
Scotland, Ireland and Wales are filled with enthusiastic rugby players. We need the main bodies of our game, the NRL, the English RFL and the NZRL, to put together a recruitment fund to help the International Rugby League Federation do its work.
And that work would be threefold: 1) bolster local competitions through greater recruitment efforts and promotion to grow the game at the junior level; 2) Ensure regular international contests and promotion of those games and 3); Be prepared to pay union players to also play our game and create infrastructure that allows them to learn and prepare for representative games.
This third part of the overall strategy is pathetically underfunded and under-utilised.
Right now, we have union players in South Africa, France, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and even the United States who could be playing league if we were prepared to pay and train them to represent their nations.
Yes, it may seem like money and effort for little return at first. But the only way we can grow the game internationally is to have legitimate international competition that can be broadcast and promoted.
Citizens from other nations do not care about foreign-born players from thousands of miles away representing their country based on a generational connection forty or fifty years back.
We must be prepared to commit twenty years of funding and infrastructure to the effort of luring union players to league. It is ridiculous that South Africa does not field a team at least the equal of France, Papua New Guinea or one of the Pacific Islands nations.
League must also look to continue building a real local competition in the US while also, and this may seem outlandish, pay ex-grid iron players to come down to Australia to play in the feeder competitions.
This is a no-lose proposition. Having those athletes play league will be enormously entertaining no matter what the outcome while also creating a much more competitive US league team.
Ex-running backs and wide receivers have the potential to be impact players in the middle as yardage men and also out wide as finishers.
If Martin Offiah can represent England, some of these college players could play NSW cup with some time and development. Developing good playmakers in key positions will be more difficult but worth the attempt.
Finally, we must have a yearly Oceania Cup competition, with Tonga, Fiji, Samoa and the Cook Islands battling it out with Papua New Guinea. The winner could play either the Kangaroos or an Australia A side.
The game is already making huge inroads in those nations and this would consolidate those gains.
Meaningfully growing the game will take real money and twenty years of consistent work by all the major bodies. It will also mean being realistic about where we stand right now.
Italy, Lebanon and Russia can wait.
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January 15th 2013 @ 8:20am
Johnno said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:20am | Report comment
A good article. So true test footy must develop. International league has the potential too.
The way I see it for now.
Tier 1:
Aust/England/NZ
Tier 2:
France(have big hopes the french will get up to tier 1, they are producing some good local talent at catalen dragons)
Fiji
Samoa
Tonga
PNG
Irleand
Scotland
Wales
Cook Islands
Tier 3:
USA
South Africa
Lebanon
Italy
Russia
Eligbilty rulesi think should happen:
Tier 1 countries: You pick you stick. All players can only play for 1 tier 1 country. Once you play 1 game in a tier 1 that’s it, you pick you stick for life, non negotiable. No more Tony Carroll incidents.
But all tier 1 players can play for a tier 2 or tier 3 for now, . And all tier 1players who can’t make there tier 1 national team either debut or past player, can play for any Tier 2 or tier 3 country.
Rugby league world cup 2013 going to be best ever rugby league world cup ever. A lot of the tier 2 teams will be sprinkled with pro talent. Expect France,irealnd,Wales scotland, Fiji,Samoa to throw a few surprises ,and PNG too.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:52am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Good ideas Johnno. I hope you’re right about the lesser teams springing surprises. That would be tremendous for the competition.
January 15th 2013 @ 3:33pm
Dave said | January 15th 2013 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Generally sound idea, though your ranking/tier placement may need to be adjusted. For example the USA are on par with Ireland in the rankings (on top of defeating the Irish in 2012) and are ranked higher than Scotland, Tonga and the Cook Islands.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:25am
stu wilsons gloves said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Here’s a tip for international league growth, don’t try and piggy back of rugby union, like your article asserts.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:58am
Andy said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:58am | Report comment
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January 15th 2013 @ 9:53am
Australian Rules said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Actually stu’s gloves, piggy backing off rugby union is exactly what league should do.
It’s never going to topple rugby for international relevance, but targetting players from France, Wales etc should be a priority if the RLIF wants to grow.
January 16th 2013 @ 6:43am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 6:43am | Report comment
The game doesn’t need to poach ru players in France.The code has already a growing junior base.It’s a case of retaining thoem over a long period.
Rugby league has not needed to grow off the backs of its sister code in Jamaica,Lebanon,Serbia ,Ukraine or even Russia.
Money is the name of the game,and much of it is is required therefore to expand .
January 16th 2013 @ 8:21am
Australian Rules said | January 16th 2013 @ 8:21am | Report comment
If you think that RL will ever really take off (to a legitimate degree) in “Jamaica,Lebanon,Serbia ,Ukraine or even Russia” you need to recalibrate your expectations.
January 16th 2013 @ 1:13pm
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
AR living in a bubble as per usual.
Bit like your NRL TV deal expectations oh wait.
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/468/ukraine-championship-sets-platform-for
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/440/jrla-receives-government-recognition
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/552/reggae-rugby-league-primed-for
http://www.relef.eu.com/news/article/400/rl-receives-full-government-recognition
Keep it up.I have a stack more reference ammo with which to bore you rotten.the only thing needing recalibration is your research operandi.
January 16th 2013 @ 3:42pm
Australian Rules said | January 16th 2013 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
PR alert.
A couple of open teams and some junior comps…sounds like League is “taking off” in Ukraine and Jamaica just like Aussie Rules is “taking off” in teh Pac Islands.
January 16th 2013 @ 6:10pm
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
Flag waver alert.
When a code gets govt approval and funding in a very short time of existence,it is hardly sitting still.In fact Jamaica’s growth helped to a small degree insecuring 3rd tier C”Wealth Games approval.
A couple of open teams!! ,that is a blatant falsehood AR or are you trying to be funny(though unsuccessfully one might add).
I will debate sensibly with people who at least know something about rl.Not outsiders who believe they know more than longtime devotees of rl.That is why I spend little time in your code’s threads.Never lead with a glass jaw.
January 19th 2013 @ 4:34pm
nick said | January 19th 2013 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
Hmmm, hyperbole will only get you so far Corsscoder. Thats not evidence of ‘growth’, its evidence of existence, thats all.
January 20th 2013 @ 2:46pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
You don’t get Commonwealth Games stae 3 approval,if there is no sign of growth or development in a sport.That is one of the requirements re application.
Care to dispute the fact nick.Perhaps you can start by looking at the growth in Jamacia on their website ,as a starting point,and their recogniton by their government.
then get back to me on the matter of hyperbole
January 20th 2013 @ 3:24pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
Further info for nick,and his hyperbole /stab in the dark.
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/149/rugby-league-secures-commonwealth-games
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/289/rlef-technical-strategy-gains-ec
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/331/rugby-league-european-federation-secures
http://www.relf.eu.com/news/article/393/lewis-rlef-making-“great-strides
Yep no evidence of growth,just a figment of one’s imagination.
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/440/jrla-receives-government-recognition
http://www.rlef.eu.com/news/article/408/twenty-seven-new-rugby-league-coaches
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/pfversion/Rugby-League-set-for-growth–expansion
http://www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=46239
yep,no evidence of growth,just a figment of one’s imagination.govt bodies pay money for non exisence or standing still.
January 20th 2013 @ 3:52pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
Many sports would have been in the Commonwealth Games long ago if growth is all you have to do. What’s with you and this govt approval stuff? We just had a gov approval for our dragon boat race club two years ago and that was just so we can travel to Hong Kong last year with the blessing of a govt letter head. We have not receive any money, help or anything else.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:05pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
Well Westy it was not all the rugby league code had to do,just growing the game,which many of you guys seem to deny for starters.
It involves development of youngsters in a sporting and healthy environment.It involved the education of local coaches,and getting the games into schools.It involves plans for new territories and firm committments,of which Ghana is already being done.Teaching the grassroots social responsibilities in a sporting environment.It means a long term committment for Commonwealth countries.These approvals are not handed out like confetti,the argument has to be compelling.
And you are looking purely for negatives nothing else ,proving once again many of out points are valid about trolling in these threads.
The code secured approval the very first step from an organisation representing many countries,and you have difficulty in accpeting it.
Good on you for getting approval for dragon boats form the govt. The relevance by comparing that with the Euro Zone and Commonwealth grants and approval , has me scratching my head.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:49am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Um… why not, Stu? Union poached Sonny Bill, Craig Gower, Mark Gasnier, Israel Folau, the list goes on… we must do the same with many of Union’s lesser-known players in order to create viable international teams. At some point League may have the chance to develop its own players from the grassroots in minnow countries. Until then, let’s bring those players over to the better game.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:31pm
Greg said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:31pm | Report comment
Better game, in a small, small minority of people’s opinion.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:35am
siv said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:35am | Report comment
The key is scheduling
3 rep weekends in season is required with a Pacific Cup (NZ PNG Fiji and next best) played in parallel to SOO and the Euro Cup
WCC needs to shift to 3rd Week in Oct
Then play a end if season 6 nations
In parallel play 6 nation EMEA and Pacific shields for Tier 2 nations.Where the US should play against Pacific nations
For Tier 3 nations We should promote the Asia Bowl and Africa Bowl just like the Americas Bowl
January 15th 2013 @ 8:35am
Warren said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:35am | Report comment
MG – Who is exactly going to fund this expansion plan? The international RL board or what ever it is called is a toothless tiger that does not have any real money to make these things happen. The administration is poor which is shown by their leadership on issues such as the split in the USA. The main body does not even have a web site and is run part time by RL enthusiasts who are good men I am sure but not the ones to take the game forward.
In terms of the Pacific Islands the AFL puts more money into these areas than does the ARLC. A great nursery of players is there for the taking and there is more recruitment done by Brad Fittler and Andrew Johns on a holiday trip than what any of the governing bodies can put together. I understand in Fiji they have run out of grounds to play RL with teams going from 30 to over 100 in a few years.
In saying this there has been some good growth in parts of Europe. Norway started from nothing a few years ago and now has a good 12 team competition. Serbia also is making inroads and even now has a junior competition. Despite the problems with the Welsh super league team there has been a 300% increase in participation. England also now has the largest schools knock out competition. London alone now has over 1000 kids playing RL which was unheard of 5 years ago and non existent in the supposed hay days of British RL in the 1960′s. These are not recognised enough and unfortunately expansion attempts are sometimes ridiculed by RL reporters on this site (eg Poland).
In all until we can get rid of self interest in RL and having a proper International Board that has the funding to take the game further then RL will continue to struggle no matter how hard it tries.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:52am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Warren, you’re falling into the fantasy trap: Serbia? Norway?
You mustn’t have read my article carefully- I said that the major bodies need to fund the IRLF. I’m not sure if your statement about the AFL funding in the Pacific islands is true; if it is, League needs to step up. We certainly have enough money in the NRL now to raise funding in the Pacific Islands.
Norway and Serbia fall into the Lebanon/Italy basket- a pipe dream for now, with many other countries better marks for development- those that already play Rugby.
January 15th 2013 @ 12:59pm
Warren said | January 15th 2013 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
What fantasy trap? I simply stated that these countries were taking up the game and the point being is that they really do not have any RU background in which you see as the only way forward for RL.
You seem to forget that RL has had its chance to make inroads in the past especially places such as Wales where many RU players were bought by the RL clubs in the North of England. The problem then and still remains self interest. RL clubs in the past they have been reluctant to put any money into these areas as it meant less for them (in the case of the ARL).
Which comes to the next point of what major bodies are you talking about? The only body with any money is the ARLC. Therefore unless they put in any money nothing is going to happen.
Overall I agree more needs to be done and we should do better. I believe however the inroads made in England by moving to a summer game will be more powerful than any. As stated many southern schools in England are now taking up the game than ever before. Year 7 Howard of Effingham a school in Surrey won at Wembly last year and now due to their success ever year is taking up the sport.
Yes the AFL has development officers in the Pacific while the ARLC does nothing.
January 15th 2013 @ 1:33pm
oikee said | January 15th 2013 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
AFL is wasting its time with Pacific islanders, if they have not worked this out yet they deserve to lose loads more money on a already failed Western Sydney push. Islanders are made for the rugbies, even blind freddie can see this.
Once rugby league sets up the Pacific Island Academies this year it will only be a matter of time before rugby league takes over the whole Pacific.
PNG has a Population of 7 million, they also run the Pacific island cup. This will develop into the cup of choice for the Islanders.
Australia is already setting up academies for each island in Australia to propel the growth of rugby league and bring the island nations up to speed with worldclass training and development.
Any islander that even looks like being a half decent player will be brought through these academies and fed into a Toyota cup side at the age of 16.
There will be no stone left unturned now we have the resources and 100 thousand volounteers and 10 thousand trainers and staff to make it happen.
Even the South Africans will get in on the act and have their own development squads right here in Australia.
Until now we have not had the money or resources to fund such projects, now we do, and sponsers are lining up ready to pump tens of millions into this growth as well.
Union is as established as it will ever get, they had this sponsers and support all along, now it is our turn to shine.
Lets see the damage in 5 years time, by next World cup, sponsers and TV stations will be coming to us, not the other way around.
The biggest show on earth will be right here in Australia.
January 15th 2013 @ 2:08pm
Bearfax said | January 15th 2013 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
See Oikee. You and I get away from the Manly-Brisbane issues and there are many areas we agree upon.
I am one who believes we should be pushing hard to help improve PNG Rugby league (and
acific Island and Japan as well) with an eventual admission of one PNG team in the NRL. This is a vast untapped treasure chest of talent (over 6 million people…more than NZ) and the fact that it is the ONLY country in the world that has Rugby League as its sole major sport, we should be giving it all the help we can. I suspect PNG is going to economically grow quickly over the next decade or two and become a significant local power given Chinese and Australian investment.
I do admire also your parochial stance in respect of who are the best athletes in the world. Some might say its a slight exaggeration but you gets points for promoting.
January 15th 2013 @ 4:58pm
Dayer said | January 15th 2013 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Warren, Good response and I agree with you
January 15th 2013 @ 2:52pm
Australian Rules said | January 15th 2013 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
I doubt the AFL spends more than the ARLC in the Pacific Islands, but it has certainly set up a number competitions and programmes to encourage junior participation (though rugby remains the clear favourite of the region, with the exception of PNG):
AFL Tonga
http://tafa.pacificoperations.net/
AFL Samoa
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=2-3651-0-0-0
AFL PNG
http://www.afl-png.com/
AFL Nauru
http://www.australianrulesfootball.com.au/pages/aflnoc
AFL Fiji
http://www.australianrulesfootball.com.au/pages/aflfijioc
January 15th 2013 @ 3:59pm
oikee said | January 15th 2013 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-2168-0-0-0&sID=16845&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=19823091
This is for Tonga alone without including the amount of work done in 2 of the largest Tonga communites outside Tonga, Western Sydney and Logan Brisbane.
Each and everyone of those islands has to have a domestic comp to be able to enter the world cup.
Samoa played their first international against NZ in 2010.
Lets not forget that NZ are the World Cup winners, so for a small island nation…..
Fiji made a quarter final in the world cup for the first time ever in 2008.
The USA are a very powerful team on the rise. Dont be surprised to see them rattle a few cages come world cup.
They might not win a game, but they wont be disgraced.
January 16th 2013 @ 6:47am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 6:47am | Report comment
PR alert.
January 16th 2013 @ 8:25am
Australian Rules said | January 16th 2013 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Noted.
Just assisting with a comment about AFL funding in the Pac Islands. As I said, I’m confident the AFL wouldn’t outspend the NRL.
January 16th 2013 @ 1:19pm
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
Wouldn’t matter what money is spent.
It’s not the money that is expended,but how it is done.The RLEF has shown the way with minimal fundng,but wait, it appears many non leaguies, have no idea of its work.
January 16th 2013 @ 3:28pm
Australian Rules said | January 16th 2013 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
That comment doesn’t make sense.
no matter..
January 16th 2013 @ 6:15pm
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
I will type it slowly,so it will make sense.
Simply you can have all the money such as happened in SL with the PI and it was wasted.The RLEF with lesser funding is doing a decent job in Europe.Boots on the ground,who are committed such as volunteers and D/Os are more effective.
Can’t be any plainer than that.
January 20th 2013 @ 3:58pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
You can’t said superleague would have fail in Europe or in the Pacific Islands because it didn’t have a chance to grow before peace was reach. Superleague would have given rugby league a higher profile than it is now but thank to the little thinking of the Australian rugby league to keep the game in Australia it took a massive step back before it can take off again.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:13pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Super league money was wasted,there is no argument from me on that point Westy.And thee Island s and indeed France were affected.
.But 16 years later,there is a lot more activity in those areas,and Europe in partiuclar has more countries and more people playing the game,tha at any time in its history.
if super league had worked with teh ARL,instead of trying to tkae over,they would have got a lot more done years ago.The code had to start from scrath in 1998.
The RLEF is achieving a hell of a lot,with a limited budget,and has been recognised by the European Union for doing so.
January 15th 2013 @ 4:57pm
Dayer said | January 15th 2013 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
MG … i do not agree with you on with re: Serbia and Norway … Man, i believe these two countries are genuinely into LEAGUE, and we must support them instead of your negative “pipe dream” response.
January 16th 2013 @ 6:48am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 6:48am | Report comment
+1
January 17th 2013 @ 1:55pm
Renegade said | January 17th 2013 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
Well said Dayer!
January 15th 2013 @ 8:51am
Will Sinclair said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I think international rugby league faces huge (probably insurmountable) odds in growing the game in some of these areas, and it’s mainly because of the massive growth of it’s main rival – international rugby union.
I say this for two main reasons:
1) Rugby union is about to become an Olympic sport (albeit at Sevens level), and this is an ENORMOUS attraction to amateur and semi-amateur players. In fact, the idea that a former US football player would choose to play in the NSW Cup over having a shot at the Olympics is laughable; and
2) The growth of the RWC as an international event should not be underestimated. In New Zealand two years ago we saw hugely competitive and encouraging performances from the likes of the US, Canada, Tonga, Japan, Georgia, Romania and Samoa. These countries are building all the time and, with success on the field, comes more investment and interest off the field.
These two behemoths of the international rugby season means there is a realistic target for smaller nations every two years (and that’s without mentioning the full time rugby Sevens circuit, which will only grow with the Olympic involvement).
So, unfortunately, I think the mountain for international rugby league to climb is getting bigger, and not smaller.
January 15th 2013 @ 9:29am
oikee said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:29am | Report comment
There will always be a market for Interantional rugby league. Same as there is a market for Commonwealth and Olympic games.
The Gold coast is spending 2 billion for the Commonwealth games in 2018.
Rugby league has plenty of opportunity to sell there product to potential bidders. It might not be on the same scale as union, but who really cares. Over the next 100 years it will provide growth.
One thing rugby league is not going to do ,is go away. The NRL has a 1.3 billion game deal, this is only the start of massive growth not only in NZ and Australia, but also the pacific and PNG.
We have a Origin series second to none.
We have a World Cup older than rugby union.
Rugby league is not going away because you and others wish it to go away. We will be growing and continue to chip away at growth worldwide and have as much right as any code to do so.
We will be playing a World Cup in Australia and NZ in 2017, every fan and person can attend these games.
The rugby league nines is trying to be included in the commonwealth games. They will chip away at this, even now nines is pushing to be a permenent fixture in Auckland program each year. Rugby league has a full calender already in Australia. The only option now is for growth outside our Australia, which will be happening.
January 15th 2013 @ 11:00am
Will Sinclair said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Oikee,
1) I’m not denying there will always be a market for rugby league – even international rugby league. My post was simply pointing out how much harder it’s going to be given the growth of international rugby union, which is completing for many of the same international markets, and now holds a couple of aces (one of them marked with the Olympic rings); and
2) What on Earth makes you think I want rugby league to go away? I am a paid up, card carrying Member of an NRL Club! I love my league. But I am realistic about it at an international level, where I think it will shrink rather than grow.
January 15th 2013 @ 11:19am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Fair enough, Will. We need more members like you in our game.
January 15th 2013 @ 11:39am
Will Sinclair said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:39am | Report comment
I reckon everyone should love both codes MG.
League for club and inter-state, rugby for international (including international provinces).
There is a simple and beautiful synergy there!
January 15th 2013 @ 5:32pm
Tiger said | January 15th 2013 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
Will, why will rugby league shrink at an international level in the future? The last 10 years has seen the sport grow internationally more than ever before, and without any genuine funding or effort from major bodies. You are severely misinformed about a sport you supposedly follow.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:01pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
The same can be said about rugby union in Australia but we are constantly been told is dying.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:44pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
We were supposed to be dead decades ago ,when ru went professional,according to some ru pundits.
January 15th 2013 @ 9:36am
clipper said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Completely agree with your points Will, although I would add that the growth of Football in league strongholds in England has contributed to the decline there. England and France had strong teams 40-50 years ago, but now England hasn’t won a series or league world cup in 40 years and France are 250-1 to win the next world cup.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:21am
matt h said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:21am | Report comment
All true, but nowere does it say that Rugby League cannot work to expand at all becasue Union is already there. Union will always be bigger than league internationally by a fair way and the Olympics will cement that, but that does not mean league cannot product viable competitions around the world. Just becasue AFL is massive in Victoria did not stop the Rebels and Storm franchises from being set up.
The same holds true elsewhere. There is always a niche – just the size of the niche varies. I don;t think anyone in Rugby League World seriously expects the game to become a massive international juggernaut. It would just be great to see more teams play is all. Cricket only has between 6 and 10 top tier nations but there are another 200 or so who play the game. Rugby is similar, although the top tier looks set to expand further, at least at sevens level. So League can hope to get to 6-10 top tier teams, with maybe Ireland, Wales, France, PNG moving up to join the existing three.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:49am
clipper said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Nothing wrong hoping for expansion, but as Will points out, it is a lot harder when the sport has been going backwards to what it was 50 years ago to gain any sort of momentum – the upside is league fans can be happy that in Australia they’re always going to see the best players in the world play every week in the NRL.
January 15th 2013 @ 11:22am
Jz said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:22am | Report comment
To true Matt H the rugby league in Melbourne, all those doubters that said it would never work and even after they won their second premiership still called for them to be relocated to the gold coast, its all way the narrow minded that hold league back. we need visionary and to get rid of the old way of thinking.
January 16th 2013 @ 7:21am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 7:21am | Report comment
That would be a surprise,seeing Clipper agreeing with a poster,who bags rl growing internationally.Bit like the inevtitability of the sunset.
You know the French rl story from 1941? Please spell it out to all the “viewers”.They would be all Ă«ars”.afraid it might undermine some of your musings.
And 8 rugby nations were interested enough to watch the RWC is any numbers.In fact 97% of the total.And player numbers for rugby have dropped substantially in England(the home of the game).
And there will be a RLWC this year, so you will have to grin and bear it..
January 17th 2013 @ 5:28pm
Dragoon said | January 17th 2013 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
Australian adult player NRL player numbers have halved since 1994.(ARLD annual report 2006)..so what..You dont have a link for English RU numbers do you….
Please stop blaming Vichy French – they are all dead or have been executed…
January 18th 2013 @ 7:45am
Crosscoder said | January 18th 2013 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Check latest figures rather than those of 2006.
Go to RFL website.
Also as an indication:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/13881329
I don’t blame Vichy French per se ,just French ru officials who did the lobbying to have rugby league banned..
So are Hitler,Mussolini,Goering dead,one should never ignore history and its repurcussions.Unless they are in denial.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:12pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
What happen to over 200,000 rugby league players we were told were in England a couple of years ago by league fans? Did the FRU also lobby to ban tennis and other professional sports? This league poster on a league forum pretty much sums up the French situation which also reflects the game in Australia and England………Quote:
I often wonder if the game was taken to areas which were not staunch union territory like Bourgogne, Picardie, Lille, Pays de la Loire etc and given real support, or if they never tried this at all?
That something I had often wonder too. There have been a few clubs in some unsual places, but never a real will to grow the game in new territories. French RL has always been more about hjacking RU, than setting a new sport in his own right, focusing more their efforts on taking over RU ressources than setting up their own business.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:32pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
200,000 not from me Westy.And I want you to realise both rugby codes faced a decline.Keep that in mind.
I want to make one point on the numbers which relate to 2011 for the Sport England cut,not 2012.
This from Rugby bLeague world current edition by journalist Matt Anniss.
“For clarity it should be pointed that the way Sport England calculates participation levels has changed.
For starters ,their focus is now on 16-25year olds,rather than 14-25 year olds.The official figures also take into account how many of these adults play a particular sport regularly(usually three times a week or more).So although the drop in participation in Rugby League looks dramatic,it is likely that over the last four years more people than ever before are playing around the country ,sadly thsese figures do not count towards the”whole sport plan.”
Which is the very point the RFL has been trying to make.they admit,having to get more people playing more often.
the Vichy Govt banned a couple of other pro sports because of their professional nature,but the FRU officials prodded the sport Commission to have rl banned as it was consoidered a threat to them..The Govt report states so FHS.Nowwhere has teh report suggeste ru tried to have other sports banned
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No australian poster on rugby league in this country has supplanted the findings of the French commission.How can anyoone ignore official findings”?
The French position is now one of growth,there are no impediments inflicted by Govt,such as lack of recognition.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:44am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:44am | Report comment
And what of the players who don’t qualify for the US Sevens, Will? Why wouldn’t they want to play for money in Australia? Give me one good reason why a guy who no longer has a chance of playing in the NFL wouldn’t want to earn cash learning and playing a sport in one of the world’s most beautiful countries.
The fact that Union will be played in the Olympics should make it easier for League- it will raise the profile of a Rugby code- and in turn open people up to an even better version.
League used to poach Union players all the time. There’s no reason why we can’t do it again in the US or any other nation with good athletes.
January 15th 2013 @ 11:03am
Will Sinclair said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:03am | Report comment
It’s a pretty specific case MG!
You’re now talking about using former NFL players who are interested in playing a rugby code, and who are not good enough to play for the US Rugby Team… It’s not the most encouraging group on which to build a code.
(And I’d imagine that anyone who played NFL for any amount of time is likely to be set up for life, and won’t be interested in running around Henson Park on a Sunday morning for a few hundred bucks.)
I do agree with you that having rugby at the Olympics could be good for both rugby codes. But ultimately it is a MASSIVE shot in the arm for rugby union, particularly in developing nations. I really cannot over-state how big it will be.
January 15th 2013 @ 11:21am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:21am | Report comment
It will be a shot in the arm- and that annoys me considering we have the better product, although maybe not at sevens level.
I was focusing on ex-college grid iron players. You’re right- pros don’t need to come down here to earn money.
January 15th 2013 @ 1:46pm
Jz said | January 15th 2013 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
only 1% of collage players get the chance to play in the NFL that’s 99% to pick through, surly that’s great odds.
considering California has a greater economy then all of Australia a small slice of that pies not bad either
January 15th 2013 @ 1:53pm
Bolo said | January 15th 2013 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Market it as the game of Ironmen.
(Ironmen for the uninitiated is the NFL term for players who play offense & defence in the same game)
Get Robert Downey Jr & Russell Crowe as part of the marketing campaign. And go grand with the ads.
Then host a RL world cup in America, get prime time coverage on the sports channel, and thump the USA team back to the stone age. Then the private funding into USA RL will blow your mind. No USA billionaire likes seeing the USA humiliated on the world stage on primetime. Just look at the USA soccer team after the world cup there.
January 15th 2013 @ 2:15pm
Bearfax said | January 15th 2013 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Thinking along the right lines there Bolo. Its one of many options that need to be considered and pushed
January 15th 2013 @ 2:17pm
Bearfax said | January 15th 2013 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Er California has a larger economy than all but about 5 or 6 nations Jz
January 15th 2013 @ 5:06pm
Dayer said | January 15th 2013 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
who cares … RL must fight on to build the game not worry worry about the other boring game.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:26pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:26pm | Report comment
No game is boring son, their only sports that is supported by many or a few around the world. Which one do you support?
January 20th 2013 @ 4:42pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
Do you actually find time to post on ru threads? You certainly love rl threads.Fatal attraction?
January 16th 2013 @ 6:57am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 6:57am | Report comment
Will
I partially agree,however don’t fall into the usual trap of ignoring the fact, with only a fraction of funding avalable rugby league as made great strides in many new countries such as Ukraine,Norway,Lebanon,Serbia ,Jamaica,with govt official backing with the likes of Ukraine,Serbia and Lebanon.
Rugby league has already secured 3rd tier entry into the Commonwealth Games,because of the growth in Commnwealth countries and plans for the future.At this very moment,the code is growing the game in Ghana with new coaches being inducted locally.
The growing number of Fijians plying their trade in the NRL,provides further incentive for youngsters.And the growth of playing numbers in NZ shows,having a competing code with WC s and 7s in the OPs ,has not diminished the ability of rugby league to grow the game.
The OP is 7s not the full standard 15 a side .Once every 4 years.
As far as your last para is concerned Will,the work of the RLEF has made that point look rather silly.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:31pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:31pm | Report comment
Who said the OP 7′s or RWC is going to stop other sports growing? The Olympic 7′s might be every four years but every year there are sevens tournaments and 7′s academies, funds, regional games and developments in the name of the Olympics.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:40pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
Well the hell did you get that notion from Westy?.Never mentioned it would prevent other sports growing.
I stated and you do not understand that despite 7s being in the OPs and being wanted by ru players,it will not stop the rugby league from growing the game in Fiji.
You have 7 players not 15 ,not 13.So the numbers by the very nature of the game is limited.The game is 7s ,7 players ,the pick.Therefore there are plenty of other Fijian kids who can sttill get an opportunity in rl or AFL or deep sea diving.
You have succeeded by making more(many negatives) posts on this thread,than I have ever made in a ru one,since I have been on these boards..
January 15th 2013 @ 8:52am
Rugby League Nut said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Some good idea’s MG.
I have been following the international game for some time now and I have to say that it is moving in the right direction. There is no quick solution to grow that game outside the big three. It will just take time. The RLIF/RLEF have been pretty active these last 5 years. There has been much work happening around the Pacific and Europe.
Programs are in place that are empowering the locals through coaching courses etc. Places like Jamaica and Lebanon are leading the way on many fronts and require more support not less.
One stumbling block for the international game has always been the eligibility rules. It favours the strong (Australia, England and New Zealand) and hurts the 2nd teir nations like (Wales, France, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and PNG).
The 2nd stumbling block is funding. The international game at present doesn’t generate loads of money to pour back into the emerging nations. Everything is done on a shoe string budget. In many ways it show’s what a good game rugby league is that it’s come so far as it has.
2013 is a big year for rugby league with the World Cup. Already I would have to say this is the most organised world cup to date and we are still just under a year out from the event.
On Italy and Russia they have much potential Italy have two RL bodies running the game over there and Russia have had some issues but seem to be turning the boat around. Russia have played games against the USA in front of 20,000 + fans in previous years.
So yes we do need to focus on particular nations but we must not let all the hard work done so far with smaller nations go to waste.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:52am
Red Menace said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:52am | Report comment
After more than 100 years this game has gone no where except PNG. You still have to setup teams in Melbourne, London and Cardiff. The game has fallen away in France from what it used to be in the 1950′s. Yet you people still think League is a viable international game. Let’s face it outside the north of England, south Auckland, NSW and QLD who cares?
Rugby on the other hand, although it might be in the nose in Australia, is growing internationally. When you guys can get 400000 plus to a test between Georgia and Russia then I might start to take league seriously.
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January 15th 2013 @ 9:04am
eagleJack said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:04am | Report comment
400,000 plus?? Imagine the beer queues
January 15th 2013 @ 9:15am
Scott Minto said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:15am | Report comment
No beer queues – the line for bottles of Vodka would be horrendous though!
January 15th 2013 @ 9:20am
Red Menace said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:20am | Report comment
My bad…iPhone and eye sight and it was 30000plus. http://www.eurasianet.org/node/65149
My point still stands….League has gone no where in 100 years why all of a sudden is it going to take off….I don’t think so.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:07am
Tiger said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:07am | Report comment
No where in 100 plus years? Well it started in the north of England where it still outrates union at club level, since then it has moved to the other side of the world in Australia where it is bigger than any domestic rugby union comp on earth. NZ are the world champs, it is the national sport of png with up to 1 million participants, it is widely played and followed in the pacific islands despite nobody ever attempting to develop the sport there. Also, there are now over 30k players in France, huge growth in Wales, small but well supported comps in Italy, USA, Serbia and Russia. In Lebanon and Jamaica it is now just as popular if not more popular than rugby union with seniors, juniors and school competitions! In Canada, they just played 2 tests with over 5000 in the crowd for both!
No, this little sport has not grown at all from its northern England roots.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:29am
oikee said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Lest we not forget that the game had it’s asserts stripped in France during the War. Plus it had been banned from playing in a lot of countries around the world.
The private schooling corparate support was non exsistent for our game, so it took alot longer to grow the game through the public support system.
I think that rugby league must be the only code to have had bans placed on it as a sport.
To say the game is not going to grow now is silly. There is so much support and money coming into the game now.
200 million for internet and betting rights alone. 40 million now for 3 games of Origin, which is now up with major aussie events.
100 million for spending on tv ads and promotions.
4 million for PNG rugby league.
Pacific island acadamies, NZ nines comp for Auckland.
A world Cup in England with games from Old Trafford and Wembley.
2017 world cup from NZ.Australia.
Surely even blind freddy can see that the only way for rugby league is up.
Over the next 10 years alone rugby league worldwide should at the very least double.
Rome was not built in a day, but gee whiz, league’s growth period has just begun, this year is the start for massive growth.
It is the first time in history our code has had cash to grow the game, and with Australia’s leading businessmen driving that growth, we are well placed.
Rugby league(nrl) and Origin now has a permenent world audience, growth will continue to boom.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:40pm
Greg said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
Bigger than any domestic union comp? Top 14 and aviva premiership crap on the nrl for a multitude of reasons. All other countries have their domestic teams involved in international comps like the super 15, which also, crap on the nrl…
January 17th 2013 @ 12:17pm
Tiger said | January 17th 2013 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
How so Greg? The nrl has a bigger tv deal than all of those union comps combined! The English and French leagues barely get 12000 to a game most of the time. Even Super league tv audiences almost double the English union equivalent! The nrl is bumpy far the biggest domestic rugby comp on earth.
January 17th 2013 @ 5:19pm
Greg said | January 17th 2013 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Tiger, are all the super league games broadcast? No… Super league teams would dream about getting 12000 averages.. The biggest clubs may, but the smaller ones are all struggling to crack 5 digits for there biggest games..
January 20th 2013 @ 4:40pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
I’m not sure why Lebanon is used a lot by league fans but Lebanon is not and never has been a member of the International rugby board. Many top 14 games gets over 12,000 and Heineken cup is also a club comp similar to European Superleague gets good rates on Sky TV. The Heneiken cup final outrate superleague final last year.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:58pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
It goes to show having Lebanon introduce the game into schools ,unis and clubs has helped,secure Govt approval ,and the Espoirs Bank of Lebanon support.
So the argument on that basis, rl rides on the coattails of ru in that country is false.
The only thing creating problems for the code there ,is the Syrian crisis/.
January 16th 2013 @ 7:27am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 7:27am | Report comment
If you are going to make statements a code has gone nowhere,then please explain why it has been accepetd as a tier 3 sport in the Commonwelath Games.That displays just plain ignorance.
You remind me of ru people who spent time talking about the wholesomeness of the amateur game,whilst players in France,Sth Africa,Italy and even NZ were getting paid discretely.And even boot monies was paid in this country.And dare I say it ,but a ru player kocked back a rl offer from st George,because he was “better placed”elsewhere. A home unit .
Sometimes poeple need to open their eyes,to see the reality of the situation.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:42pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
I like to know which players were getting paid in NZ during amateur era. Was this also on wikipedia?
January 20th 2013 @ 4:54pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
Ask Mr Campese about spaghetti rugby in Italy..
David Lange the late and former PM of NZ,made a comment about the ABs many years ago:- ”
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It never ceases to amaze me to see these players ,running around in the best of clothes and driving cars,with no viisible means of support.”
Now whilst I agree that does not mean they are earning money under the table,but it leaves question marks..Especially as boot money has been acknowledged at times in ru cricles in this country.
And the French really made shamateurism a byword.
Wikipedia is not a source reference for me lad,so try again.
January 15th 2013 @ 4:47pm
Jz said | January 15th 2013 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
400 thousand to a test ? umm the world records a 102 thousand isn’t it
January 15th 2013 @ 4:48pm
Jz said | January 15th 2013 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
sorry ready the next comment that sound better
January 15th 2013 @ 4:57pm
Nathan of Perth said | January 15th 2013 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Would love to see the stadium.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:43pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
Would love to see who were hired to count the 102,000 world record.
January 15th 2013 @ 9:15am
peeeko said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:15am | Report comment
ive read the number was 30k and was that large mainly because of the political climate between the 2 countries,
January 15th 2013 @ 9:22am
Red Menace said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:22am | Report comment
OK….political climate, I ‘ll give you that but when the Kangaroos last played Italy how many turned up?
January 15th 2013 @ 10:24am
matt h said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Strange post – no political climate between Australia and Italy …
January 15th 2013 @ 5:35pm
Tiger said | January 15th 2013 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
32000 turned up to watch Russia v USA in rugby league a few years ago, but sadly this was never built upon.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:45pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:45pm | Report comment
Were you talking about the game where it was all free tickets and over 20,000 military personnel were given the day off to watch?
January 15th 2013 @ 10:45am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Red, you nailed it- Rugby is ‘on the nose’ in Australia. Why? Because the game itself is inferior to League and is getting swallowed up, some Super 12 and Tests notwithstanding. If League can eat into Rugby’s base here, why not elsewhere?
January 15th 2013 @ 11:11am
Will Sinclair said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:11am | Report comment
MG – I am a Member of both an NRL club and a Super Rugby side, and I can’t agree with your assessment of rugby as inferior to league.
My personal opinion is rugby is a vastly superior game, but it’s complexities lead to a greater variation in the quality of games played. League, on the other hand, is a far simpler and more stuctured game, and so produces a consistent standard of games.
I love both codes, but rugby at it’s best is clearly superior. It’s just not played at its best in Australia very often!
January 15th 2013 @ 11:30am
Australian Rules said | January 15th 2013 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Agreed Will.
MG has made a number of comments about how league is “better” product than rugby, which is fairly base – like arguing that one colour is “better” than another.
January 15th 2013 @ 1:21pm
oikee said | January 15th 2013 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
League is the better product, and because it is banned from private schools we will never know the full support for rugby league in this country, unlike AFL which is on a equal footing and is killing rugby union for support and growth right across the country, soon in NZ as well i hope.
The more AFL kills off union the easier it is for rugby league. Australian rules is the deathnell of union.
League just minds it’s own business, we are not trying to kill off anyone.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:45pm
Greg said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:45pm | Report comment
Reds have the highest crowds and membership out of any rugby or league team, so kind of puts a huge hole in all you league fans.. Even considering league teams like the storm include cheap 1 game memberships..
January 16th 2013 @ 12:50am
Bearfax said | January 16th 2013 @ 12:50am | Report comment
Now Greg the Reds are a top union side and I like watching them. But they represent a whole state, not a city or part of a city. Your describing apples with oranges…or is that turkeys with chickens..never sure. If you want to compare the Reds with a Rugby league side you would have to compare the crowds of a State of Origin and I would suggest the Red’s support is significantly less than the Queensland Origin support.
Interesting that the Reds stole their name from the Perth Red’s, the Rugby League side that existed only briefly during the early 90s. For a non Rugby League state they did surprisingly well despite being a cellar dweller for much of the time. They averaged 13,000 to their games…not bad for a new comer and better than the Swans when they first started in Sydney. And they had a peak crowd of just short of 24,000, which I suspect beats your WA rugby side.
January 16th 2013 @ 7:45am
Greg said | January 16th 2013 @ 7:45am | Report comment
It’s not apples and oranges tho bear fax, the realistic catchment for people who go to reds games is the same as the broncos. Are you suggesting people fly in from mt isa and Townsville every week to watch the reds? Also, state of origin is the pinicle of the sport, and only plays 3 games a year. The reds are a franchise based in Queensland, and their best players can play for another state at the signing of a contract.
January 16th 2013 @ 10:37am
Bearfax said | January 16th 2013 @ 10:37am | Report comment
So now Greg you are suggesting Queensland Reds are like a suburban football club. I’ll agree that people ‘probably’ dont come in droves from outside of south eastern Queensland, but neither does the Bronkos side represent south eastern Queensland alone.
In the halcyon days they were at the beginning averaging well over 30,000 a game. But then came another Brisbane side, now defunct, and of course the Gold Coast. Thing is that League is played in the South Queensland area about 25 times a year. The Reds play there, what, no more than 8. State of Origin is 1-2. And dont tell me the whole state converges on Brisbane either for Sate of Origin.
What youre talking about is a team that represents about half way between a city and state team. It draws big crowds because its played only just over half a dozen times a year at home, is played outside of League and Oz Rules time periods, and it at present has a very fine and marketable team, not the least being the Genia-Cooper combination. It can draw from the cream in Union in Oz because its competing with only 5 other teams here, and two of those teams are very new. Brisbane Bronkos when they are at the top like the Reds can consistently get 25000 at home. Lets see how the Reds fare if they are at the lower end of their comp.
January 15th 2013 @ 1:26pm
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
There’s a reason rugby league is watched at club, state and international level while Union is only watched at rep level- league is a more entertaining game, with more movement, speed and less stoppages, not to mention rules that anyone can understand. The example of Australia winning a rugby Test without either side scoring a try says it all.
January 15th 2013 @ 3:05pm
Australian Rules said | January 15th 2013 @ 3:05pm | Report comment
MG, that’s your opinion and that’s fine, but citing “more movement, speed and less stoppages” as some sort of “proof” that league is “better” just reinforces my point that it’s all subjective.
Australian Super games have a higher average crowd than League (albeit far less matches) and you can’t compare the appeal or relevance of the Wallabies to the Kangaroos.
It doesn’t really matter, but as a “Guru”, it just seems a bit silly reading “my favourite sport is better than this other sport”.
January 15th 2013 @ 4:57pm
Jz said | January 15th 2013 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Super rugby in australia has only six teams yet league has 16 thats ten extra teams, also the extra rounds compared to super rugby
January 15th 2013 @ 5:32pm
sledgeandhammer said | January 15th 2013 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
League has stoppages every time there is a tackle, which is over 300 times per match, so it is really a very, very stop start game.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:51pm
Greg said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:51pm | Report comment
MG you obviously like a very simple, very structured game, and good on you, that’s your choice. But a lot (read: majority of worlds rugby codes followers) prefer something abit more… I don’t mind league, but I can only watch highlights because seeing runners continuously hit it up, roll ball, and repeat, drives me to tears. Different strokes for different folks. It’s a blemish on the roars credit that such a code war warrior gets a guru status. Next up will be oikee.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:13pm
Bearfax said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:13pm | Report comment
Err Jz. Australian Rugby has only FIVE teams in the super league, those being Qld, NSW, ACT, Vic and WA.
January 17th 2013 @ 4:32pm
Jz said | January 17th 2013 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
That is even worse percentiges
January 20th 2013 @ 4:50pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:50pm | Report comment
There is only one pro league team in NZ up against 19 professional teams in super rugby and NPC.
January 15th 2013 @ 5:12pm
Dayer said | January 15th 2013 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
BORING GAME THAT UNION IS. not superior just plain boring.
January 15th 2013 @ 9:49pm
superstar superhuman said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:49pm | Report comment
+1
January 20th 2013 @ 4:51pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
If only all the fans and players of both codes around the world can agree with you.
January 15th 2013 @ 9:48pm
superstar superhuman said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:48pm | Report comment
Ahh the old Northern England, South Auckland, NSW and QLD argument. How original! Never heard that one before. Your ignorance is extremely amusing.
January 16th 2013 @ 7:13am
Crosscoder said | January 16th 2013 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Red Menace
Gone nowhere!!! LOL.
Please do a little research ,just for a start by checking details in the RLEF website.A code going nowhere,doesn’t get Commonmwealth Games tier 3 approval.Sheesh.
You know a little about French sporting history since 1941 and lack of Govt approval of rugby league for decades?I would be a little embarassed if i were you,as your code was involved up to its shoulderpads.
French junior rugby league numbers are growing,funnily enough since Govt recognition for the code came back.
If any code can get 400000(as you stated) to any test they have achieved something never thought possible ,squeezed that number into a stadium holding 1/4 th its capacity.The ru calculator is apparently working at full speed.
I would hardly expect you to take rugby league seriously,when you supply WOW numbers such as that,as McEnroe would say”You can’t be serious.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:53pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
Did you miss the post above where he mention the error?
January 20th 2013 @ 5:05pm
Crosscoder said | January 20th 2013 @ 5:05pm | Report comment
To busy spending my time,responding to your cynical rl posts.It’s a full time job.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:56am
Chris said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:56am | Report comment
British Kid
Would it not be better to get the NRL teams with the new found cash getting more players from Ireland, Scotland & Wales over. Also Norway is progessing nicely at RL and hopefully will be as good as the likes of Scotland and Ireland (not much but still) in a couple of years.
It could also be good to have the England team travelling to PNG, Samoa, Tonga as build up to the 4 Nations tournment in a couple of years plus NZ and Aus could play as well and we have one each. So England V PNG, NZ V Samoa and Aus V Tonga. Or we could have a 6 Nations tournment.
January 15th 2013 @ 8:58am
Andy said | January 15th 2013 @ 8:58am | Report comment
League is well known internationally by a lot of outsiders as Rugby, because it is basically a modified version of rugby. And to be honest i can not see those opinions or views changing anytime soon.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:58am
Boz said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Andy makes an important point. The name of our sport “Rugby League”, in some ways is one of the biggest stumbling blocks for it to become accepted in other countries. When people hear “Rugby” they most likely think of Union.
I know it will never happen, but if someone had the courage and also the intelligence to come up with a new name for our particular type of football – then it becomes a whole new sport altogether, rather than a ‘modified version of Rugby’.
January 15th 2013 @ 5:45pm
Dayer said | January 15th 2013 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
BOZ, you are 100% correct. I once said to a Melbourne cabbie to take me to the Storm “rugby” LEAGUE’S club and he automatically assumed it was a “union” club. YES change the the “RUGBY” to something powerful for the next generation to follow … like shock horror “SUPER LEAGUE” this name will will bring league it’s own IDENTITY to the international arena.
January 20th 2013 @ 4:59pm
Westy The Real Rugby Fan said | January 20th 2013 @ 4:59pm | Report comment
I wish you guys make your mind up, on one hand you have some fans who blames the name rugby not been used in France for rugby league failures and now the name rugby is the stumbling block? My own opinion is not about the name but the action of the people running the game it can be call idiot football or whatever as long as there’s people willing to develop it then it shouldn’t have a problem.
January 15th 2013 @ 9:00am
oikee said | January 15th 2013 @ 9:00am | Report comment
I think ‘Italy’ the last time i looked are in the World cup this year..
I think we are better off trying to develop in the bigger countries. For a start you have more players to choose from.
Ireland has Gaelic, Soccer, Rugby. League will only ever be a niche sport. Same as Scotland.
Wales will never compete on the scale England or NZ or Australia can and do.. They dont have the power or numbers really and are to intrenched in rugby. . .
Now comapre them to America, even now America is 5 times bigger than Wales growth.
To manage international rugby league, we have to be smart, take the game to bigger countries and countries that are more suited to rugby league, like the Arab countries (lebanon), these guys are made for rugby league. Same as Jamaica, big Usian Bolt type humans, fast big and ugly, made for league.
What we need to do is develop a nines international tournament. This will help the game grow, we can get crossover players from the sevens and find any future talent in the process.
There is a Fiji guy that Fitler and Johns found in Fiji that was ex-sevens player. these guys are perfect for rugby league. Fast and have a few skills already.
I think we can also get some fringe players from College footy in the USA. Be perfect for rugby league.
If you read the ARLC 5 year plan 2013-2017, you would have read that the ARLC is going to promote the growth of Pacific islands footy. They have already got a development program in place for Sydney. Big things are about to happen, now, not toomoorow, now.
January 15th 2013 @ 10:54am
MG Burbank said | January 15th 2013 @ 10:54am | Report comment
“Big, fast and ugly” – Oikee, you are always good for a laugh and I’m glad I’m not on the end of one of your sprays this time (I won’t mention the suburban grounds issue again). And yes, you’re spot on about trying to develop in bigger nations. Much more upside.