There are few better places to start looking for a side’s prospects in 2013 than reviews of their play last year. Another look at the tapes can challenge prejudices the viewer might nurture – or confirm opinions already held.
With that in mind replays of two Reds games, against Blues and Crusaders in New Zealand, are rich sources of information.
They encourage a number of observations: how smart the Reds are, tactically: how the abilities of Rob Simmons should not be forgotten: how Greg Holmes struggled against Owen Franks at scrum time, with Robbie Deans watching from the stands, one week after the Waratahs front row enjoyed parity, or better, against the Crusaders; and, above all, how the smallest player in the Reds’ ranks will leave the biggest hole.
Will Genia was superb.
In which facets? All of them. His box-kicking was wonderful, almost always providing a contest for willing chasers, always getting his side moving forwards.
The passing was crisp, with Genia popping those trademark short, flat passes right on the gainline, or going wider – to 10 or 12 – when he saw the space.
For Dom Shipperley’s try against the Blues in Auckland, Genia turned his body and produced a precision, right to left looping pass over the last defender to put his winger in the corner.
And when the Reds went to the pick and drive, a favourite tactic, there was Genia sitting in a little pocket behind the big men, organising and encouraging.
He does all of these things while holding up the defensive line with the threat of running the ball himself, and with a low error rate.
Less heralded, although frequently seen, attributes were also on display. From the back of one under-pressure scrum in Christchurch, he somehow picked up the ball and and still manage to recycle possession under a mass of forwards.
In the ‘sweeping’ role played by the modern No.9 – Genia is particularly solid under the high ball – he again showed that his kicking out of hand has the length and accuracy of any five-eighth in Australia.
It is the completeness of this rugby package that makes it so difficult for the Reds to replace, regardless of how sharply they are coached.
His possible replacements are no mugs, either. In both the Crusaders and Blues games Ben Lucas reiterated what a fine player he is, with his accurate crossfield kicks and stout defence a particular feature.
In his opportunities last year Nick Frisby brought immense energy and promise. But neither has the mastery over the role Genia has.
And the halfback position has become so influential that the greatest change to the All Blacks’ way of playing last year was brought about simply by the introduction of a new, faster No.9.
In Super Rugby’s ruthless environment the Reds’ rivals will see a vulnerability to their early campaign. The talk has been of Genia returning in round six.
By then all of the Australian sides, as well as the Hurricanes, will have had a crack at the Queenslanders,. At the very least defence coaches will sleep easier in Genia’s absence.
It complicates Quade Cooper’s comeback, too.
There might be some Australian players relishing the opportunity to put him under a little physical duress should the quality of ball coming his way decrease, or give him less time. But it is not all negative for the No.10.
If he takes ownership of the side and directs them well without his partner in crime it may be a long-awaited sign of increasing maturity.
There has been a lot of distracting talk recently about the possible release or non-release of players for fixtures that are four and a half months away.
But we’ll learn some important lessons much sooner than that.
Paul Cully is a freelance journalist who was born in New Zealand, raised in Northern Ireland, but spent most of his working life in Australia. He is a former Sun-Herald sports editor, rugby tragic, and current Roar and RugbyHeaven contributor.
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January 24th 2013 @ 10:05am
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:05am | Report comment
I dont have an opinion either way regarding greg holmes but thought this statement:
“how Greg Holmes struggled against Owen Franks at scrum time, with Robbie Deans watching from the stands, one week after the Waratahs front row enjoyed parity, or better, against the Crusaders”
Is a marvellous troll of the ever expanding “greg holmes for wallabies” cheer squad that frequent this website.
have grabbed a bucket of popcorn and am awaiting the backlash
January 24th 2013 @ 10:15am
formeropenside said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:15am | Report comment
he got me, Jutsie, as I was typing as you were.
Cully is usually pretty smart, so I assume it was deliberate.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:23am
Harry said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:23am | Report comment
OK he’s got me. That Saders game Franks got away with putting his hand on the ground all the time – an illegal act, although I rememer Paul’s Monday morning defence of this clear illegiality by saying “well he only did it briefly and anyway it should be legal”.
Twas part of a truly appalling display by Bryce Lawrence…
I am a Greg Holmes fan but accept that at international level a fit Benn Robinson for starters is a better selection.
Anyawy as usual agree with this analysis of Genia. Will be mightily missed, particularly by the Quadester.
Not long now before SuperRugby starts. Counting the days and realy looking forward to it.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:29am
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:29am | Report comment
You to have been far too reasonable in your rebuttal of cully, very disappointing was hoping for a few more fireworks to entertain me throughout the day
January 24th 2013 @ 11:32am
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Harry I thought it was Ben Franks on the LH side that was putting his hand on the ground continually?
As they say one swallow does not a summer make…
January 24th 2013 @ 8:31pm
jeznez said | January 24th 2013 @ 8:31pm | Report comment
I’m a Holmes supporter but didn’t watch that game closely enough to comment.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:15pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Did Franks have Thorn behind him that day?
January 24th 2013 @ 12:45pm
Halleys Comet said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
Thorn wasn’t playing NZ last year..
January 24th 2013 @ 12:59pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Cheers, time sure does fly!
January 24th 2013 @ 10:06am
formeropenside said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:06am | Report comment
I’d point out in Greg Holmes defence that was the only time he had trouble at LHP all year, and seemed to me to be largely referee-inflicted.
Hopefully the Reds can continue their role as the pre-eminant Australian State (in results, if not in subsequent Wallaby selections) in 2013.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:40pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
Reds have the most players in the Wallaby squad Former Openside.
Reds do rubbish without some players and those players were missed.
Wallabies still win without those same players and Robbie is an android sent back from the future to destroy Australian rugby?
I guess I still dont get it.
January 24th 2013 @ 10:11am
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Cully is right it will be interesting to see how QC copes without genia, in a similar vein to last year when genia had to cope without QC.
I thought genia struggled when harris played 5/8 as he did not provide an attacking threat so forwards could focus all their attention on hassling genia and ignored harris. Genia played his best rugby for the reds last year when lucas (an underrated player) was at 5/8.
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January 24th 2013 @ 10:24am
PeterK said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:24am | Report comment
It is interesting that Genia did play well for the reds BUT they still lost half their games without Cooper.
If they win more than half with Cooper but without Genia then maybe people will value how much Cooper brings to the table.
January 24th 2013 @ 10:49am
Jerry said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:49am | Report comment
That stat about Cooper is pretty misleading when you look at the teams they played before and after his return.
With Cooper – Lions, Brumbies, Rebels, Highlanders, Tahs.
Only 1 of those sides (the Brumbies) finished in the top half of the table annd all but the Rebels match were at home. Plus the Reds were already in the midst of a return to form having narrowly (some say controversially) lost to the Crusaders before beating the Chiefs (in a dominating fashioni) in the weeks immediately preceding.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:16pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Cooper does very well in attack at super level. His defence is still sh#t no matter what level he is at.
At international level Quade does not offer the same value.
He has showed his kicking game is not up to it. He has shown a tendancy to implode. He has shown an inability to adapt. He has shown a tendancy to blame his coach and team mates for his own shortcomings. He has demonstrated that he is mentaly not up to it.
To use Quade at 10 for Australia is a roll of the dice. Roll a six and he plays OK. Roll a 1-5 and get anything from crap to average.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:23pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
He has shown a tendency to have the team winning when he plays too.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:32pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
No he doesnt.
Its extremely boring repeating myself but here we go.
Quade being in the Wallabies when they beat a team does not mean he caused that win. Just like if McCabe was in the team it doesnt mean he caused the win. Higgs has a higher win % as a Wallaby but just like Quade has underperformed at test level.
WORK IT OUT.
January 24th 2013 @ 2:01pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Oh I do get it. I never said he caused the wins.
His abilities in attack create more opportunities than any other player at 10 and the style the team can play due to those abilities means we are more likely to score points with him in the team.
GET IT?
January 24th 2013 @ 1:37pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
Quade played 3 tests in 2012. Quade played rubbish in 3 tests in 2012. The Wallabies won 2 of those tests. Quade did not cause those wins. Get it?
January 24th 2013 @ 1:35pm
PeterK said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
for starters this is about the reds and not the wallabies.
Also you obviously categorise a player and do not see their improvements.
Cooper has genuinely improved his tackling admitedly from a low base.
Cooper is a better tackler than Beale.
During last season Cooper had a better tackle success rate than Barnes and Beale.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:42pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
No he hasnt.
Coopers defence for Australia in 2012 was terrible.
He aved about 35% missed tackles according to sports data. He was a speed bump.
OBVIOUSLY you dont pay attention.
Barnes is a far superior defender than Cooper. Beale is also a rubbish defender.
Do you think I make stuff up?
January 24th 2013 @ 1:48pm
PeterK said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Coopers better tackle rate was in super rugby last year.
His stats are far better than the previous year in super rugby, hence it is reasonable to say he has improved.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:48pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Against NZ Quade was targeted.
He made 9 tackles, pretty good right? He missed 5.
Against Arg he made 4 and missed 3. Its a shame another player didnt run at him to make it and even 4-4 split.
January 24th 2013 @ 2:29pm
PeterK said | January 24th 2013 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
I challenge your stats.
On ESPN rugby I looked at each match.
Cooper made 10 tackles against NZ and missed 0.
3 and 0 against SA and 5 with 1missed tackle against Argentina.
In fact Cooper in intls had the best tackle ratio followed by Barnes. Beale easily missed the most.
Its funny you keep promoting Beale as the best flyhalf option for the Wallabies ignoring how poor a tackler he is but hold this against Cooper. Cooper is better in all areas than Beale at flyhalf.
Stats from ESPN
Cooper 18/19 94.7%
Barnes 60/69 87%
Beale 70/87 80.5%
January 24th 2013 @ 5:25pm
rl said | January 24th 2013 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Peter, much as it pains me, Rugbystats generally seems to back up HT’s numbers (although they might source their data from the same place). Frankly, I find it very hard to believe that Quade or Kurtley achieved better than 80% tackling efficiency.
I’m not going to judge Quade on last season – he WAS indeed a speedbump during his brief sojourn in international rugby in 2012. And he missed 30% of his tackles in S15 too. But bear in mind he had a very disjointed season, so I’m willing to cut him a bit of slack. Even the great one DC missed 45% of his tackes in his first S15 game last year. But DC, being the ultimate professional, turned it around and ended up missing 17% of his S15 tackles, and around 20% internationally.
Quade should be at a minimum aiming to get his missed tackles down below 30%. I don’t necessarily think you want your playmaker to be getting trapped at the bottom of every ruck because he’s wrapped around someone’s ankles, but he does need to lift his defensive effort.
January 24th 2013 @ 10:26am
Gatesy said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Disagree about the box kick. While he might have been on song for that particular game, I think he over uses it and gifts possession to the opposition, when his own side could have ground out the ten or fifteen metres that it gained, and it doesnt always see him putting his forwards on the front foot.
January 24th 2013 @ 10:43am
mania said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:43am | Report comment
agree. genia’s box kick was above average in that game but it needs a lot of work to be consistent.
the single thing that makes genia world class that cully touched on is “his low error rate”
January 24th 2013 @ 10:45am
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Deceptive pace and on field leadership are two other factors. When the reds are on song horwill may be captain but its genia/QC who are running the ship.
January 24th 2013 @ 10:51am
jameswm said | January 24th 2013 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Genia needs to ditch those box kicks and be told he isn’t as good a punter as he thinks he is. Does he realise how awful most of those box kicks are?
I’ll have to keep tally some games this year, when he comes back.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:18pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Genias kicking is good.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:03am
Chris said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:03am | Report comment
As the only Aussie who would be an automatic pick in a World XV, this is a huge loss to the Reds. Helps neutralise Quade Cooper too as the great service he gets from Genia is a major plus for his game.
As a Brumbies fan I’m not complaining, as long as he is back by the time the Wallabies tests start.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:29am
nickoldschool said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Not sure Genia would be an automatic pick in most ppls world XV. I think Parra or A. Smith would have their supporters, even Machenaud.
Having said that he is miles ahead of everyone else in Oz and the Reds need him.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:34am
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:34am | Report comment
All depends on what you want and on form really. Id say he has to be in discussions. Smith had a horrendous NH tour didnt he?
January 24th 2013 @ 11:41am
Chris said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Perhaps my comment is 12 months out of date. In any case, he’d be one of the favorites.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:41pm
nickoldschool said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Fair call, he is definitely in the mix. Just hope he comes back as strong as before. I liked the young French guy Machenaud during the nov tests he played. I think Genia’s pass is sometimes not as sharp and quick but as an all rounder, I think he is the most complete of all. a Smith has quick hands too and seems to have more pace than Genia. But Genia is just smarter at this stage.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:53pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Genia is the worlds best half by miles.
Kahn and Pienaar are the next couple of halfs.
A.Smith imploded against Eng and was ordinary in a couple of others.
To say Genia is not in the best half in the world is like saying Dan Carter is not the best 10 imo.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:07pm
allblackfan said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
Genia runs sideways too much (with or wirhout Quade). Not a great quality in a halfback especially when the scrum may be backpedalling!
January 24th 2013 @ 1:28pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Well it seems to work ABs fan.
He was first for linebreak assists and 3rd for try assists in 2012 super season according to sports data.
For me Genia is clearly the best.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:12pm
Red Kev said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Don’t you just want to see what a Genia-Carter halves combination could do, just for the sheer specatcle of it … can we get an ANZAC team (otherwise known as the All Blacks plus Genia with a couple of Wallabies on the bench) to play the Lions at some point?
January 24th 2013 @ 11:23am
kingplaymaker said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Wales and Mike Phillips had no answer to Genia in the second test although maybe they had a hold on him by the third I don’t remember, so he’s quite crucial for the Lions.
Ewen Mackenzie should have a more talented backline than any other Super franchise this year: Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Sautia, Lucas, Faiingaa, Harris, Morahan, Shipperley, Davies, Placid, Tapuai. It should be impossible to lose with that lot on the field at Super and not international level!
January 24th 2013 @ 11:26am
formeropenside said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Dude, you do know that Placid has just left school, and is yet to play a game of Super Rugby, right? Yes, he’s a rare talent, but, like CFS, lets not suffocate him with expectation.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:35am
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:35am | Report comment
KPM – you dont rate half of those guys you mention, reckon they are just average?
January 24th 2013 @ 11:39am
kingplaymaker said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Justin at international level they are average, but good or excellent at Super level.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:30pm
jameswm said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
“more talented backline than any other Super franchise this year”. Is it even the best in Australia? Qld might have the overall edge on these matchups, but it’d be close. Might come down to Ben Tapuai v Tommy Carter, tight call there…
Genia v McKibbin
Cooper v Lane
Ioane v Turner
Sautia v AAC
Lucas v Hart
Faiingaa v Horne
Harris v Foley
Morahan v Mitchell
Shipperley v Kingston
Davies v Betham
Placid v Crawford/Hodge
Tapuai v Tommy Carter!! or Volavola
January 24th 2013 @ 12:34pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Is that a joke james?
On those head to heads it would be –
Genia
Cooper
Ioane
AAC
Lucas
AF
Foley
Toss Up, Mitchel just
Shipps, though Kingston not bad
Davies though if Betham can produce at S15 then Betham. Dont trust NPC form frankly.
???
Taps
January 24th 2013 @ 12:47pm
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
haha clearly james is having a windup
January 24th 2013 @ 12:59pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
You must be right Juts, blurry hell hey!
January 24th 2013 @ 1:14pm
Red Kev said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
He’s clearly having a wind up since Lane is in the EPS and won’t get a game unless Foley and Barnes both go down injured.
January 24th 2013 @ 4:08pm
jameswm said | January 24th 2013 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
I could work out my comparisons in an even more cunning way, so NSW’s worst are head to head Qld’s best. I don’t agree with all of Justin’s preferences either, by the way.
In fact at 11-15, it’s close. Qld have by far the better halves, but NSW’s pack is clearly better, esp at hooker, THP and in the back row. NSW have a match-winning 7 and a brutal 8 (when firing, which he was by the end of the spring tour). Qld have several good back rowers, but they need to step up, big time. NSW’s outside backs and (ep the) pack are good enough to win, they just need halves, an attitude, and smart coaching. They might get one or two of those 3, but they need the trifecta. 2 out of 3 ain’t bad, but it won’t win you a championship.
11. Ioane
12. Taps/Harris
13. AF/Taps
14. Shipperley
15. Morahan
11. Mitchell
12. Foley/Barnes
13. AAC
14. Turner/Betham
15. Kingston/Turner
January 24th 2013 @ 6:42pm
Jiggles said | January 24th 2013 @ 6:42pm | Report comment
I’m still to see a reason why the nsw pack is clearly better. They’ve been beaten 3 out of last 4 games. Sure they get selected by Deans but he doesn’t understand the difference between a LHP and a THP and thinks Timani is test standard. Hardly a glowing endorsement.
January 25th 2013 @ 9:55am
jameswm said | January 25th 2013 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Just realised I left Folau out of this comparison.
Which 3 of the last 4 games did the NSW pack lose, jiggles?
January 25th 2013 @ 3:17pm
Jiggles said | January 25th 2013 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
2011 Rd 10 when the pack failed to convert the mountain of possession on the Reds try line.
2012 Rd 1 and 2012 Rd 18 when they were horrendously unfit and couldn’t go the full 80 with the Reds.
They got on top Rd 2 2011, and thats the last time to date.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:29am
kingplaymaker said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Sure fos I’m just pointing out that with such a luxurious superabundance of talent it should be almost impossible for the Reds NOT to win the title!
January 24th 2013 @ 11:45am
Chris said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Put your money where you mouth is KPM. The bookies are saying the Reds are 7th favorites (behind the Crusaders, Cheifs, Stormers, Sharks, Highlanders and Brumbies) so you should make a killing if its “almost impossible” for the Reds to not win.
January 24th 2013 @ 11:47am
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:47am | Report comment
This is KPM setting up Link, the more he raves about the squad and builds them up the more he can ask why Link failed if they dont win…
January 24th 2013 @ 11:49am
mania said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:49am | Report comment
or he’s trying to jinx them, like i do anytime beale or joc line up a goal. “great kickers he wont miss this”
January 24th 2013 @ 11:55am
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Lol or he is taking a sarcastic dig at a few of the reds supporters but its not getting conveyed properly in the written text.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:33pm
kingplaymaker said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
The bookies are rather foolishly basing their predictions on the Reds’ performances last season when many of the players weren’t fit. In fact it is well worth a wager.
I am pointing out perhaps that Mckenzie has a mass of talent at his disposal for Super level, so he should be expected to produce with it.
January 24th 2013 @ 2:12pm
jeznez said | January 24th 2013 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
and it appears J2 has nailed it!
January 24th 2013 @ 2:13pm
Kipper said | January 24th 2013 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
This is IF Link is picking the team.
correct me if I am wrong, but I’m sure the Reds have employed that awesome coach, Richard Graham to do that.
Good luck !!!
January 24th 2013 @ 3:02pm
Justin2 said | January 24th 2013 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
Fair point actually. Graham is technically head coach this year?
January 24th 2013 @ 5:52pm
Kipper said | January 24th 2013 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
he is, with Link now called “Director of coaching”
So, I would think Graham runs the teams on game day ?
January 24th 2013 @ 6:07pm
sittingbison said | January 24th 2013 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
with braindead dikc in charge, the Reds will play like donkeys and will struggle to not win the wooden spoon in Oz conference. Best recruit they ever had.
January 24th 2013 @ 6:22pm
Red Kev said | January 24th 2013 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
I’ll happily correct you, if you read any of the Reds advisories (which you probably don’t since you’re not a Reds fan or a rugby journo) you’d know that the Reds coaching team is 3 people. It was three people last year, it is three people this year. The titles are something nice to put on your resume, but Link is still in charge. Next year I would expect Graham to be in charge because Link will be at the Wallabies.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:04pm
Rob from Brumby Country said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
7th? o_O
Hmmm… Well, I don’t think they’ll win, but surely there must be something wrong with those odds…?
January 24th 2013 @ 6:22pm
Red Kev said | January 24th 2013 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
7th is worth a flutter. I like the look of the Highlanders this year to be honest.
January 24th 2013 @ 12:58pm
Hightackle said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Hurricanes will win the title. And no Im not a Canes fan.
January 24th 2013 @ 4:36pm
dcnz said | January 24th 2013 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
As a made Canes fan, your comment makes me very happy Hightackle, but not sure if this dream will materialise…
January 25th 2013 @ 5:10am
Hightackle said | January 25th 2013 @ 5:10am | Report comment
In 2012 the Canes were the best attacking team in the comp. At the end of the season they beat the Saders and Chiefs.
They now have B.Franks and a very good front row, second row, back row, halfback, #10, FB, Centre, wings etc.
Coles, Shields, Barrett, Savea now have AB experience of one sort or another and are 1 year more experienced.
They will top the comp and win the final and Im a Chiefs fan.
Im very surprised that more people are not picking them.
1) B.Franks
2) Coles
3) Toomaga-Allen
4) Broadhurst
5) Eaton
6) Shields
7) Lowe
8) Vito
9) TJ
10) Barrett
11) Savea
12) Leiua (please)
13) Smith
14) Jane
15) Taylor
That (or variations of it) is a good team.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:41pm
Terry Kidd said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Crusaders will struggle this year …. big time
January 24th 2013 @ 12:44pm
Halleys Comet said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
KPM, another projection without acknowledging the forwards play a role…
January 24th 2013 @ 12:48pm
kingplaymaker said | January 24th 2013 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Yes it will be tough with Slipper, Hanson, Samo, Horwill, Gill, Robinson, Simmons, Holmes, Schatz, Daley, Faiingaa almost all of whom have been in a Wallabies squad.
My comment above is being moderated, presumably because it isn’t unabashed praise of Ewen Mackenzie.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:24pm
B-Rock said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Reds have the best Aussie backline but the pack is certainly behind the Tahs and possibly Brumbies. Back line is still highly dependent on 9 and 10, both of which will miss several games due to injury and rest for the lions.
January 24th 2013 @ 1:44pm
Terry Kidd said | January 24th 2013 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Every backline is highly dependent on the 9 & 10
January 24th 2013 @ 5:36pm
jameswm said | January 24th 2013 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
Not the Tahs – they don’t have them
January 24th 2013 @ 6:45pm
Jiggles said | January 24th 2013 @ 6:45pm | Report comment
Considering they have topped possession stats and rucks and mauls over the last 2 seasons in Australia, I’m not sure how they can be behind either of those 2 teams.
January 24th 2013 @ 7:19pm
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 7:19pm | Report comment
If you stack each player against each other (like james did below) you would say NSW has the better pack but on the park the reds work much better as a unit, the tahs pack like the team as a whole has been a rabble.
However I thought the reds pack were very disappointing at the beginning of 2012 (i mention below that I think it was due to complacency and championship hangover) and would rate the brumbies pack as the overall most consistent pack in aus during 2012.
January 24th 2013 @ 7:52pm
Jiggles said | January 24th 2013 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
Rugby being a team, I’d take the pack functioning as a unit. NSW hasn’t fired as a unit for a number of years now and they’re onto their 3rd coach with a consistent nucleus. So it’s time some questions start being asked of players rather than everything and everyone else. I posted forwards statistics a number of weeks ago and while being simplistic, it showed the tahs were far behind the Reds, Brumbies and force packs.
The Brumbies were much improved but they were beaten twice trying to take the Reds up front. The second game was lucky though. Their second row and Moore is the main engine room around the park.
The Reds were off, and it came down to accuracy and application being a little off at the breakdown. However as those stats I posed show, they were still the most effective pack in Australia. .
In 2011 everyone talks about the genius of Genia and Cooper, but it was the pack that won that premiership. You just have to watch the games against the stromers, Bulls, crusaders twice, blues twice and Tahs at suncorp to see what I mean.
January 24th 2013 @ 8:05pm
Jutsie said | January 24th 2013 @ 8:05pm | Report comment
Im not disagreeing with u, completely agree. I will take the strong unit over the stars any day. As the old cliche goes a champion team always beats a team of champions.
I thought the brumbies really disrupted the reds pack in that 2nd game and it was an ugly game because they wanted it to be, as u say a lucky win but good teams make their own luck. the first game came down to white’s misguided belief that vaea was a better 7 than hooper, link played two opensides who had a field day at the breakdown.
And again you wont hear an argument from me about the reds pack in 2011, they were the masters of controlling the breakdown and tempo of games, but i think a number of teams figured the pack out in 2012 and focussed alot of energy in flooding the breakdown and making a mess b4 the ball got to genia. The reds took a while to adjust.
January 24th 2013 @ 8:54pm
Jiggles said | January 24th 2013 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
I still don’t know what White was thinking not playing Hooper. Gill was in form and was proving to bar a handful.
It’ll be interesting to see how they approach the break down tip his year, hopefully the pressure is off a bit after last year.