So who plays cricket for Australia these days?
By Tavis, 29 Jan 2013 Tavis is a Roar Rookie
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Is there something I’m missing? When I started watching cricket in my younger days, as most people did, I had my favourite players.
Names included Craig McDermott, Glenn McGrath, David Boon, Mark Taylor, and the Waugh brothers, among quite a few.
It was great watching the boys play the Test matches and the one-day games all summer, with the occasional player missing one or two games with an injury.
Very rarely, a player would get dropped due to a form slump and they would find their touch in a state game and be back in the Aussie line-up not long after.
Currently, there are 40 players listed to have played for Australia in either Test, ODI or T20 cricket in the last 12 months.
Now I know people are going to say that T20 wasn’t around in the 90s and more matches are being played now than back then, but how’s this, only four of those 40 players have played only T20 cricket for Australia.
That’s still 36 players across the Tests and ODIs. What does this mean?
It means that there aren’t many Aussie cricketers that play all three forms of the game. Why is this?
Well, there are quite a few reasons, many of which Cricket Australia provides.
These include injuries, the rotation policy and player management due to the amount of cricket played these days.
But the reason that is hardest for me to understand, is that so many of the current players are T20, ODI or Test cricket specialists.
When thinking about 90s players that were ODI “specialists”, I could suggest Michael Bevan, Shane Lee, Ian Harvey and Darren Lehman to name a few.
The latter ended up playing in the Test team a few years after making his ODI debut. Bevan could be argued as Australia’s most clutch ODI player to ever play the game. Harvey and Lee were both great all rounders, which proved very useful for the limited overs form of the game.
Mitchell Starc, David Warner, and Matt Wade are the only players playing in the Melbourne T20, that have also played in the Test team this summer.
I don’t think this is good enough.
For the most part, there was only a couple of players that didn’t play every game of the summer. More current players should be striving to be the best cricketer they can be, and improve the parts of their game that they struggle with.
More cricketers should want to do what David Warner has done. I absolutely commend the way he has worked on and improved his game to be a valuable Test opener.
When he first came into the T20 side, he thrashed the bat, and scored at a great strike rate which was perfect for both limited overs forms of cricket.
Since then, he has worked on being much more patient and picking the right balls to hit, and the right balls to leave making him a great addition to the Test top order.
In my opinion, I still don’t think the selectors have the ODI or T20 sides balanced and the more players coming in and out of these teams, the harder the Aussies will find it to rise in the world rankings.
The team needs stability.
If all of these rotations of players are truly due to injury, then there is something terribly wrong with our pace bowlers, and they need to harden up a bit.
Batsmen should be able to play both at a high strike rate when runs are needed quickly (this can also be needed in Tests at times), and when required, conservatively to preserve wickets.
This would have been handy last week when we batted less than half of our 50 overs available.
I doubt I will see it, but it used to be great watching our favourite batsmen hit a patient Test ton one week, and then belt fours and sixes the next.
Or a bowler take 10 wickets in a Test, then bowl a tight four or five run over late in the game to win an ODI or T20.
Either way it’s hard to keep up with who is in the team when you turn on the TV.
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January 29th 2013 @ 7:12am
peeeko said | January 29th 2013 @ 7:12am | Report comment
who is Ben Laughlin and why is he playing for Australia?
January 29th 2013 @ 8:18am
Red Kev said | January 29th 2013 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Yeah Laughlin has been tested and found wanting – back to back sixes off his bowling to lose the first match, and 20 off the last over in this match to give Sri Lanka a defendable total.
January 29th 2013 @ 9:27am
Felix said | January 29th 2013 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Ha found wanting is an understatement there Kev. He is rubbish, cannot believe they rested Cutting again after one match and ignored Laughlin’s horrendous deliveries at the death.
If Finch is given another knock I’ll cry.
January 29th 2013 @ 9:49am
Red Kev said | January 29th 2013 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Finch’s dismissals have all been a concern – they have all been from tentative shots.
Cutting’s omission doesn’t worry me so much, I’ve always viewed him in the same light as Khawaja – the longer the game format the better he performs.
January 29th 2013 @ 12:22pm
Matt F said | January 29th 2013 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Finch seems like a player who has let the occasion beat him. I can’t remember who it was but one of the commentators made the point (I think it was during the one day series) that if he was wearing a Renegades shirt (or even a Bushrangers one day shirt) those tentative shots that are getting him out become full blooded strokes that find the boundary. The occasion of representing your country seems to get to him and that’s a big problem
January 29th 2013 @ 2:09pm
Chui said | January 29th 2013 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Reminds me a bit of Hayden when he was in no mans land between Shield and Test cricket years ago.
A superman in state colours bludgeoning bowlers all over the place, to meek and mild at test level getting out to tentative shots.
Looks psychological to me.
January 29th 2013 @ 3:28pm
Bearfax said | January 29th 2013 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Hayden was averaging 50+ at first class level when he had problems in the tests. He had the skill but just needed to correct a few elements of his game, somewhat like Hughes. Finch is averaging 30 at first class level. A big difference. He’s an average first class batsman and he certainly wouldnt be a good test batsman. he’s a good slogger and will probably eventually succeed at International T20s. But that’s it.
January 29th 2013 @ 8:42am
Anon said | January 29th 2013 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Remembering back to the early 80s there was a plethora of Australian experienced players – of course due to the establishment test players and the WSC ‘rebels’ – such that Ben Laughlin’s old man made the big time.
During the 1980s we certainly saw some guys who were even then more deemed as ODI specialists, names like Shaun Graf, Peter Faulkner, Ken McLeay, Trevor Chappell, Mick Malone, Simon Davis, Adam Dale (into the 90s) etc.
Guys who predominantly played ODI’s, might have scraped in for a test match here or a series there but that was largely due to the need to through guys at all levels to find replacements for the Chappell/Lilliee/Marsh era.
Same thing applies now – the test line up is in flux and there are now 3 forms of the game to throw players at for experience and growth. There will still be some single format specialists.
January 29th 2013 @ 9:58am
josh said | January 29th 2013 @ 9:58am | Report comment
You missed Steve Smith
January 29th 2013 @ 9:28am
sheek said | January 29th 2013 @ 9:28am | Report comment
I offer the following purely for nostalgia.
Circa 1985, Australian Establishment XI:
Graeme Wood
Andrew Hilditch (vc)
Kepler Wessels
Allan Border (c)
Greg Ritchie
David Boon
Wayne Phillips (k)
Simon O’Donnell
Geoff Lawson
Craig McDermott
Bob Holland
Backups:
Dirk Wellham
Greg Matthews
Ray Phillips (2k)
Jeff Thomson
Dave Gilbert
Murray Bennett
Circa 1985, Australian Rebels XI:
Steve Smith
John Dyson
Graeme Yallop (vc)
Kim Hughes (c)
Mick Taylor
Mark haysman
Treevor Hohns
Steve Rixon (k)
Rodney Hogg
Carl Rackemann
Terry Alderman
Backups:
Greg Shipperd (2k)
Peter Faulkner
Tom Hogan
Rod McCurdy
John Maguire
If you put the best XI combined on the field, you would have had a very competitive team. It’s a shame, as in 1977-79 with WSC, that Australian cricket was torn apart in 1985-87 by the twin Rebels tours.
Notes:
After the touring team to England was announced, it was discovered Rixon, McCurdy & Alderman had signed with the Rebels. They were replaced by Phillips, Gilbert & veteran Thomson getting a recall.
When it was discovered (or believed) that Wessels had been intimately involved with recruiting the Rebels, the ACB refused to renew his contract for the 1985/86 season. Wessels arrived in South Africa for the 1986/87 season to play with the Australian Rebels. By 1989/90 he was once again representing his native South Africa.
January 29th 2013 @ 9:37am
Jason said | January 29th 2013 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Still not a good opener in either list!
January 29th 2013 @ 1:35pm
nachos supreme said | January 29th 2013 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Dirk Welham.
Best name in world cricket. Sounds like some kind of Victorian era explorer…..and the best specs at the time….ahem I digress.As you were.
January 29th 2013 @ 2:15pm
Johnno said | January 29th 2013 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
No Dav Whatmore sheek, glad you had Murray Bennett in there., saw highlights of him Loved his big square glasses lol. Andrew Zeezers was very talented he deserves a start too. Glad Shiipperd and Tom Hogan are there too. Haysman now a good commentator on STH African tv, he is a good commentator, him and Kepler Wessells are on tv there.
January 29th 2013 @ 3:30pm
Bearfax said | January 29th 2013 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Ah Simon O’Donnell. Not a bad OID all rounder. Won us more than a few games.
January 29th 2013 @ 4:46pm
matt h said | January 29th 2013 @ 4:46pm | Report comment
Great post Sheek. Brings back memories. Back then Border, Wessells and Wayne Phillips were my absolute favourites (bit of a lefty bias).
January 29th 2013 @ 10:04am
Bobba said | January 29th 2013 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more with Tavis. The rotation policy is absolute fodder. The excuse that players need to be rested is ridiculous. If a player needs to be rested then they are obviously not of high enough calibre to be in the Australian Team. It’s funny though…you don’t see too many being rested in the domestic season whether the 4 day, 1 day or T20 format! Yes, I understand the supposed ‘rigours’ of International Cricket takes a little more of a toll than the Domestic side of things, but as has been said, drink a cup of cement and harden up!! If a champion like Warnie (who carried a few extra kilos, didn’t have the best diet, smoked, drank etc.) could still go out and play Test after Test and ODI after ODI surely the ‘Young Pups’ who are supposed to be these you beaut built Athletes can back up and play a few games in a row, right?
January 29th 2013 @ 10:08am
Brandon Marlow said | January 29th 2013 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Warne isn’t the best example. He plodded in to bowl spin which is much less taxing than steaming in like Peter Siddle. You notice how the people mainly being rested are Pace bowlers? It’s because of the impact involved in bowling pace and how far and hard they have to run while doing this.
January 29th 2013 @ 11:32am
Bobba said | January 29th 2013 @ 11:32am | Report comment
The choice to run far and hard and try and rip down thunderbolts is up to them. There are plenty of prime examples of pace bowlers that didn’t throw them 140+ and are/were still successful in taking wickets, drying up the scoreboard, etc.
Warnie whilst not having the same impact in his delivery striding as compared to a pace bowler, still had a lot of impact through his deliveries. Being a wrist spinner is very taxing in other ways (hip rotation, shoulder, wrist, etc) not to mention the amount of overs he had to bowl (and the long spells at a time). If being a wrist spin leg break bowler was easy then we’d have a plethora of them coming through the ranks instead of pace men. The point was more to do with his physical conditioning (or lack thereof) vs the trim, lean, don’t eat or drink anything not approved otherwise you won’t be in peak physical condition to bowl/bat your 1 or 2 games before being rested, philosophy.
January 29th 2013 @ 10:06am
Brandon Marlow said | January 29th 2013 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Australian should play the 11 best overall players in the test side, the 11 best one day players for the ODI’s and the eleven best T20 players in T20 matches. Just because someone is a good Test bowler, does not mean they will be successful in the short form.
January 29th 2013 @ 10:16am
Lancey5times said | January 29th 2013 @ 10:16am | Report comment
I could easily write the opposite article to what you have written here. You share the view of many in that everyone seems to be getting a crack and the part of this that upsets me is that this is applying to the longer formats. I feel very strongly that test players should not be playing T20 cricket so therefore we would continue to see the Laughlins playing for our country in this silly game. Do they have to wear green and gold? Why can’t I just get more Big Bang Theory instead?
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January 29th 2013 @ 11:01am
TheGenuineTailender said | January 29th 2013 @ 11:01am | Report comment
So you’re advocating we pick the test team as the T20 team? Even though there are guys like Shaun Marsh averaging 42 in T20 cricket. For the most part I believe Watson, Warner, Hughes, Wade, Starc, Johnson, Pattinson and Lyon (of players who played or would have in tests this summer) should all be in the mix for the T20 side. But there certainly are some players so well suited to one form of the game that it would be ridiculous to ignore them.
January 29th 2013 @ 4:47pm
matt h said | January 29th 2013 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Well Shaun MArsh was doing his best Ed Cowan impreonation in the first T20
January 29th 2013 @ 11:19am
Ryan said | January 29th 2013 @ 11:19am | Report comment
This theory that the test players wouldnt succeed, or shouldnt play the shorted formats is rubbish. When Australian was dominating world cricket our test sides and ODI side were in fact very similar, with a solid core playing group. Coincidence? I would argue that our test pace attack would be equally competitve as the rubbish served up the last few matches. Would happily trade Siddle for Laughlin in the 20/20s. I was never really a fan of, but didnt strongly oppose this different team for the different format method, but i believe now with 3 formats its getting a little to much. Sure, give players a chance at the shorter formats before test matches, but we need to keep some sort of core playing group. Players need to be introduced to the Australian side, not the domestic all-stars.
I think my view has been skewed by the last decade of Australian cricket, but surely the proof is in the pudding. For a long time, we picked sides for Tests and ODI that were in fact rather similar. Yes we had specialist, but they were the minority in the side. Ponting, Mcgrath, Gilchrist, Hayden, Martyn, Lee, Gillespie, Waugh etc. These guys played long stretches in both prominent formats, and the Australian team was exceptional in both. Sure we are talking about an elite playing group, but maybe this solidarity and experience in both formats helped develop their game? Surely some of the success could be contributed to the consistency in selection. There is no doubt Australian cricket is in some sort of transitional stage after a genuine golden era, but we wont rebuild by rolling the dice on every player that shows a bit of ability and than dropping him for someone else who shows a bit more. Pick a player, be patience, persist and results will come i.e Steve Waugh.
How are we supposed to develop a winning culture and find the next core group of players if we are continually cutting and changing the side. Pick a side with the same core for both formats, and work around that.
And the rotation policy. Garbage. Hopefully England get a wind of this amazing rotation policy and casually rotate Cook, Trott, Swann and Anderson throughout the Ashes. They than should be nice and fresh for some meaningless 20/20s.
January 29th 2013 @ 11:43am
TheGenuineTailender said | January 29th 2013 @ 11:43am | Report comment
You are aware that Trott, Swann and Anderson were rested from the recent ODI series against India. They’re doing it too. Everyone manages their players workloads. To say rotation is rubbish is ignorant on your part.
January 29th 2013 @ 12:01pm
Ryan said | January 29th 2013 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Actually, i was not aware. I have not been following that ODI series closely or news relating to it.
I dont really care which country does it or if “everyone” is doing it. I dont belive in it. Are England therefore saying that winning this series is not as important as other matches? People say test cricket is in trouble, but surely the shorter forms are underminded if the best teams arent selected.
Just reading that England lost the series 3-2. A series they surely had a higher chance of winning by playing the 3 mentioned. But it doesnt really matter because they have 3 fresher players to play test cricket?
January 29th 2013 @ 12:18pm
Tavis said | January 29th 2013 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Ryan and TheGenuineTailender make great points.
The point I was trying to make was that the team needs a core group that play together through the different formats, by all means put in blokes like Marsh, and I think Nannes, but at the moment there are less than a third of the Test side playing all 3 forms of the game.
The other point I was trying to make was that it should be a pride in the players themselves that makes them want to be international quality in all forms of cricket, like David Warner.
January 29th 2013 @ 2:15pm
TheGenuineTailender said | January 29th 2013 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
On the flip side, are we creating jacks of all trades, who are proficient in all forms but masters of none. Shouldn’t we prefer to have our best XI focusing exclusively on honing their test match skills? I know that’s what I’d prefer.
January 30th 2013 @ 6:02am
lolly said | January 30th 2013 @ 6:02am | Report comment
At most let players play 2 formats. I’d rather players who are in the mix for India play all the Shield cricket they can before they go, rather than fronting up to white ball cricket.
January 29th 2013 @ 12:20pm
Renegade said | January 29th 2013 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Yes you are correct to some extent however i wouldn’t waste my time playing our best players in the T20 format.
I don’t really care about T20 and don’t believe they should be played at an international level so doesn’t bother me who plays.
I think our best ODI side looks like this though….
Warner
Watson
Hughes
Clarke
Bailey
Marsh/Khawaja(One of these 2 need to develop into a middle order batsmen that can hold the innings up if the top order fails)
Wade
Johnson/Starc
Pattinson/Cutting
Doherty
Cummins/Bird
For the pace bowlers i’ve named 2 that are similar who can rotate between each other when required as per the current rotation policy.
Most of these players also play in the test team. In fact if you add Lyon and Siddle to the names i’ve listed, you basically have the best proven 17 players in the country.
See it’s really not that hard to pick a squad now is it?
January 29th 2013 @ 1:08pm
Dan Ced said | January 29th 2013 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
I still think you have to make your choice…
Clarke and Bailey are both in there as Captains.. you can’t have both.
I’m with the people that think T20 team should be mostly different from the test team.
Test and ODI players don’t get to play the domestic T20 season, our AUS team should be the cream of the Big Bash crop, and not be compromised by people that have been playing exclusively longer forms of the game stinking us up with a strike rate of 50.
Imagine Ed Cowan in our T20 team, we would struggle to make 3 figures in any game. There is still a place for the odd accumulator (Klinger did a great job this Big Bash season, Hughes could play that role too, even M Hussey) but you need people who can back themselves for the big shots.
G Maxwell is not one of those, he just goes cow corner like any old bowler and is a unintelligent, uinder-skilled batsman. His bowling has been “handy” the past 2 games but he is average and should be in the domestic comp and no higher.
January 29th 2013 @ 2:07pm
Renegade said | January 29th 2013 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Sorry Dan,
I was referring to the one say squad in particular to show that the test players can play both ODI and tests….I don’t really care who plays in the T20s though….BBL form is probably the best measure but i don’t believe there should be a place for T20 internationals at all – that’s for another time though.
January 29th 2013 @ 7:36pm
Jake said | January 29th 2013 @ 7:36pm | Report comment
Not a bad team, however having to rely on Clarke and Watson to bowl 10 overs between them isn’t good enough.