Codes to blame for fostering sport’s seedy underbelly

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    The Australian Crime Commission (ACC) has finally blown the lid on the seedy underbelly of Australian sport that leading codes have been fostering for far too long.

    The ACC report details how Performance and Image Enhancing Drugs (PIEDs), namely peptides and hormones, are widespread in a number of professional sporting codes, facilitated by sports scientists, high-performance coaches and sports staff with organised crime identities and groups involved in their domestic distribution.

    These drugs range from products not yet approved for human consumption to, as one NRL player admitted, calf blood and, seemingly, everything in between.

    This development comes on top of recent headlines surrounding the Essendon ‘supplement’ scandal and new and extensive worldwide match-fixing cases, with local police warning international match-fixing syndicates are “grooming” Australian sports stars as part of long-term plans to infiltrate local competitions.

    According to the ACC report: “There are clear parallels between what has been discovered in Australia and the USADA investigation into Lance Armstrong, which underlines the transnational threat posed by doping to professional sport, both from a ‘fair play’ perspective and as a broader integrity issue.”

    And just like the Armstrong example, it’s going to take investigative work of governments, anti-doping agencies and independent commissions to unravel this mess, as opposed to doping tests which, as history has shown, can’t keep pace with the rate of performance enhancing drug developments.

    While sporting codes represented a united front in response to this investigation, with hundreds of Australian athletes supposedly involved across multiple codes, there were clearly different messages coming from different codes.

    Cricket and football officials were quick to distance themselves from the doping allegations with suggestions they were not implicated in the investigations, with the NRL and AFL, in light of recent developments, the clear targets for PIED usage.

    The cross-code implication was a minor PR win for the two leading footy codes.

    Yet on the other hand, A-League, the Big Bash League and so forth face a big risk in the likely interest from betting and match-fixing criminals given their games’ popularity in Asia.

    According to the report, the difference to the Armstrong doping cases is that the Australian threat is current, crosses sporting codes and is evolving. With so much of the AFL’s players, clubs and brains trust, for example, concentrated in Melbourne, think of the pervasive way doping and bad influences can infest multiple clubs in such a short amount of time.

    This unraveling of the underbelly is long overdue and there has been enough warning signs in the NRL and AFL in the last 24 months or so: Ryan Tandy’s betting scandal in the NRL, Essendon’s supplement development, West Coast Eagles’ illicit drug problems and underworld links, Adelaide Crows and Melbourne Storm salary-cap evasions, Melbourne Demons tanking, remarkable recoveries from major muscle, knee and ankle injuries and so forth.

    Strip away the shrouded language and it’s case after case of cheating, doping and match-fixing.

    Yet it is a culture codes have allowed to grow through inaction and masking of the underlying problem.

    The AFL, for example, recently admitted that unnamed players have been forced to miss matches as a result of breaches to its illicit drugs policy. The ‘three-strikes’ policy, where it’s only after a third positive test that offenders’ names are made public and they face the wrath of the AFL with a reported loophole in which players can avoid recording a strike by self-reporting drug use.

    In response to players and club officials’ concerns that clubs were being left out of the process and that some players were exploiting the loophole, a summit was held with no rule changes made.

    When such a prominent sport encourages a culture of secrecy and tolerance, then a wider doping culture can foster in a “win at all costs” environment whereby athletes can gain an unfair advantage and yet believe they can subvert the system and avoid punishment.

    As has been suggested, often the providers of performance enhancing drugs are the same as illicit drugs. As a recent newspaper report suggested, “AFL players have been picked up on phone taps purchasing narcotics and talking of drug use.”

    So don’t encourage a practice whereby on the one hand illicit drugs are tolerated within a certain parameter, yet expect players to stay away from performance enhancing drugs.

    Could more have been done, therefore, by codes and clubs to warn off players? Absolutely. As Richard Hinds writes, “The effort taken to scour old records and check systems will be far greater than that taken to ensure the scourge was kept at bay.”

    Yesterday’s events are merely the first groundbreaking steps to crack Australian sports’ very own “omerta”, with the unraveling of individual cases sure to follow – NRL and AFL clubs already being implicated.

    As the ACC report states, “This report does not provide a comprehensive summary of all relevant activity of concern in all sports, or all sporting clubs and franchises in Australia.

    “Rather it represents a snapshot of the activity, derived from the intelligence, which formed the original basis of the inquiries and the need for the ACC to focus on the role of organised crime in the PIEDs market. It is likely, given the level of demand for PIEDs and the diverse sources of supply, that the use of WADA prohibited substances is more widespread than identified in this report.”

    In the meantime, reforms can’t come soon enough: zero tolerance for an athlete or support staff on banned substances, a tougher stance on recreational drugs, and a strengthening of Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority’s resources and investigative powers, working independently of governing bodies.

    As countless examples across the globe prove, there will always be athletes and clubs who seek an unfair advantage through any means possible. And young athletes with impressionable minds and dispensable income will become easy targets for the shadier figures in society trying to gain a financial benefit and connection into the riches of sport.

    Therefore, governing bodies mustn’t follow the UCI’s (cycling’s governing body) example and turn a blind eye and allow such practices to flourish.

    Australia has always had a holier than thou attitude when it comes to their athletes. No way they could dope or cheat to the extent of “the others”.

    That naive theory has allowed the environment that the ACC details to flourish and has now been blown out of the water. As a result, Australian sport may never be the same again.

    Adrian Musolino
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    Adrian Musolino is editor of V8X Magazine, and has written as an expert on The Roar since 2008, cementing himself as a key writer who can see the big picture in sport. He freelances on other forms of motorsport, football, cycling and more.

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    • February 8th 2013 @ 6:04am
      Jonesy74 said | February 8th 2013 @ 6:04am | ! Report

      Wow! The Gold Coast Titans hiding urine vials in plumbing at Skilled Stadium. I’m shocked! Not really.

    • February 8th 2013 @ 6:41am
      Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 6:41am | ! Report

      Yesterday, Lawn Bowls Australia issued a Press Release stating that they could categorically state that their sport is 100% free of illegal drugs and there is no shadow of match fixing hovering over it. Prescription Drugs though: anti inflams and incontinence meds abound!

    • February 8th 2013 @ 8:17am
      jamesb said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      Gee, that photo up there looks like the Beatles. Who is John, Paul, George, or Ringo?

      I think all codes right now are screaming out for HELP!

      If players are taking the gear, I’m sure a few them would be talking in a different language and using words like ob la di ob la da.

      • February 8th 2013 @ 5:49pm
        Evan Askew said | February 8th 2013 @ 5:49pm | ! Report

        Given the respective interests of those four individuals which would be anything but unified and the drug related subjects at hand, I would say that photo is more representative of the Let it BE era rather than the Hard Days Night era.

    • Roar Guru

      February 8th 2013 @ 8:23am
      Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:23am | ! Report

      The article misses the mark.

      What about ASADA? – how ineffective are these bozos and please having Kate Lundy play school teacher ” We’ll catch you” shows just how incompentent these people are at their jobs. They haven’t caught anyone yet. The report released yesterday is thin on detail.

      Charge the athletes, arrest the crime games & sports science crooks, don’t issue hollow threats that might strike fear into a five year old. The Government has to introduce legislation to even charge the supplement suppliers. Sport admin caught on the hop?, again what about ASADA?

      Page 17 – the probable Essendon page, says players ‘could’ have taken illegal substances or ‘possibily’ have exceeded certain levels. IF ASADA doesnt know how do you expects the players to know?

      All this report has done is tarnish every athlete, club and sport in the country. It should never have been released without accompanying charges to show ASADA/ACC does have teeth and is making inroads. It is a premature scattergun approach.

      The various sport admins could have done more but their job primarily is to run sporting competitions, ASADA’s only job is to catch drug cheats.

      • Roar Guru

        February 8th 2013 @ 8:33am
        Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:33am | ! Report

        You are reading the UNCLASSIFIED report published by The ACC.

        The CLASSIFIED report names specific individuals. This information cannot be used in court since The ACC has the power to obtain evidence & statements by coercive means.

        The classified ACC Report has been handed to VicPol and ASADA. These bodies will have the responsibility of laying criminal charges & sporting bans respectively.

        This has only just begun.

        Now, it gets really interesting.

        • February 8th 2013 @ 8:38am
          Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:38am | ! Report

          I think I speak for a few people when I say, whoever is revealed to be being investigated (whichever sport or player) will NOT want to be mentioned first.

          Whoever is first cab off the rank, like that unfortunate AFL player who was first to ‘3 strikes’ or the Essendon FC will have the wrath of so many descend upon them that it will be incredibly damaging for the brand of which ever sport is involved, even if it is the Death Star of Australian Sport the mighty AFL.

        • Roar Guru

          February 8th 2013 @ 8:47am
          Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:47am | ! Report

          Fussball,

          Re-read my post. I said it was premature to release the report without the accomanying charges.

          The unclassified report:

          9 AFL clubs
          7 NRL clubs
          3 A League clubs.

          over 90 athletes.

          There is also a big difference in intent, many athletes have taken supplements they beleived were WADA approved. Whereas others have deliberately tried to cheat the system.

          • Roar Guru

            February 8th 2013 @ 9:04am
            Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 9:04am | ! Report

            “many athletes have taken supplements they beleived were WADA approved”

            Yes … the Shane Warne excuse – it’s only available to Anglo Saxon Stryaian athletes.

            As Marion Jones would have told you from her prison cell – after she had her Olympic Gold Medals taken away from her – .. “I didn’t know what I was taking” is treated with the same respect as “the dog ate my homework”.

            • Roar Guru

              February 8th 2013 @ 9:55am
              peeeko said | February 8th 2013 @ 9:55am | ! Report

              Surely many athletes around the world have used this excuse? You seem to have a problem with Anglo Saxon Australians ?

            • Roar Guru

              February 8th 2013 @ 10:13am
              Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:13am | ! Report

              So you didnt read my first post correctly Fussball…

              • Roar Guru

                February 8th 2013 @ 10:28am
                Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:28am | ! Report

                I read your post. How can ASADA sanction athletes when the athletes pass the ASADA testing?

                That’s why The ACC was called in to investigate. The ACC will wire tap phones, they’ll force people to testify – if you don’t answer questions, you’re in contempt & will be sent to prison. ASADA doesn’t have these powers; even VicPol doesn’t have such power.

                The ACC gathered the information & has given it to ASADA & VicPol. The ACC was not going to charge anyone.

              • February 8th 2013 @ 10:51am
                Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:51am | ! Report

                Need I remind you Redb that Lance Armstrong passed all USADA anti-doping tests? It was the ‘intelligence’ of phone taps and the evidence of former team mates that did him in.

              • Roar Guru

                February 8th 2013 @ 11:40am
                Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 11:40am | ! Report

                Kasey, Fussball,

                The tests are further proof of ASADA’s lack of prowess in the matter.

          • February 8th 2013 @ 10:03am
            Fred said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:03am | ! Report

            Do you have access to the report?

          • February 8th 2013 @ 10:18am
            Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:18am | ! Report

            The Cricket Australia head James Sutherland and his Football Federation Australia counterpart David Gallop said their sports were not implicated in the report.
            Does this mean cricket and football fans have less to worry about? Somehow I doubt it, not when you read this from the same article:

            Legal constraints prevented the identification of any particular sport, teams or athletes, but Australia’s minister for justice, Jason Clare, emphasised that no code was immune. “The findings are shocking and will disgust Australian sports fans,” said Clare.

          • February 8th 2013 @ 10:39am
            Von Neumann said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:39am | ! Report

            And its NOT premature at all. Its got to come out some time. The police have names now, and they can go about an conduct investigations.

            YOU think its premature because your beloved players/clubs are under the spotlight. You are not unlike a loving parent.

            But whats been done, is being done in the right way.

          • February 8th 2013 @ 10:46am
            me, I like football said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:46am | ! Report

            Where is that written in the report?

            • February 8th 2013 @ 10:57am
              Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:57am | ! Report

              I got that quote from the UK newspaper, the Guardian.
              source:
              http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/07/australian-doping-warning-uk-head
              I regularly read the Guardian sports section for football news and thought I’d read their take on our ‘day of sporting shame’
              I didn’t at the time see this follow on sentence: But the National Rugby League head David Smith revealed players and clubs from his code were being investigated.
              “Information has come forward for NRL [National Rugby League] specifically that affects more than one player and more than one club,” Smith said.

          • Roar Guru

            February 8th 2013 @ 10:49am
            Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:49am | ! Report

            @RedB

            “The unclassified report:

            9 AFL clubs
            7 NRL clubs
            3 A League clubs”

            I’ve read the unclassified report – it does NOT even mention A-Leauge once.

            • Roar Guru

              February 8th 2013 @ 11:46am
              Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 11:46am | ! Report

              Of course not the A League. 😉

              #denial

              • February 8th 2013 @ 11:53am
                Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                I think you were correct above, HAL more likely to have to worry about match fixing rather than a systematic doping problem. My gut feel is that HAL football teams just couldn’t afford the ‘cutting edge’ spend on their football departments, hence why the ACC focused on the 2 biggest sports with the most money to spend getting their athletes right. Of course without access to the classified report we are just all speculating, but now that it is out in the open, we should be thankful that the bright spotlight of concerned Australian sports fans has been focused on these issues. Gives us a chance to clean everything up before any permanent harm is done to our sporting culture.

              • February 8th 2013 @ 12:16pm
                Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | February 8th 2013 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

                Well does the report mention the A-league or not redb?,genuine question i havent read the report.

              • Roar Guru

                February 8th 2013 @ 12:24pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

                @Redb

                I have The ACC Report: “Organised Crime and Drugs In Sport” in front of me.

                On which page is the A-League mentioned in this Report?

              • Roar Guru

                February 8th 2013 @ 12:52pm
                Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                CEO of the FFA, David Gallop has just said, on ABC News24, that:

                1. A-League matches are NOT being investigated for match fixing;

                2. ASADA is NOT investigating A-League

                I’m off to buy a case of popcorn, as I watch the bullies of AUS sport squirm.

              • Roar Guru

                February 8th 2013 @ 1:31pm
                Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

              • February 8th 2013 @ 4:01pm
                Fred said | February 8th 2013 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

                Those already stating they are 100% certain that the A-League is not involved.
                http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/les-murray/blog/1140084/Football%E2%80%99s-dirtiest-threat

                Additionally, one should look at Twitter and see who in sport knows who. Plenty of a-league players know sportsmen in AFL, NRL, Tennis, Cycling etc.

              • February 8th 2013 @ 4:51pm
                Titus said | February 8th 2013 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

                Fred…..Football and Cricket are going to be more susceptble to match fixing purely because there is a lot more money involved. All the FFA can do, short of the government banning gambling, is be prepared.

                You should be careful before you accuse A-League clubs and players of being involved without anything to back it up other than some guy in China making a big bet……..so how about we get back to the real issue……….Essendon are cheats and a disgrace to Australian sports.

              • February 8th 2013 @ 7:04pm
                Fred said | February 8th 2013 @ 7:04pm | ! Report

                Titus,

                I stated the links as I dont believe anyone should be comfortable with the position of their sport or club.
                Essendon have asked for an investigation, but if they are found AS A CLUB to have undertaken an ILLEGAL supplement then yes they are disgrace. But I wouldnt do that as yet, even though we all think it is more than likely.
                Football and League are the two major codes targeted yes, but the media statement said there were other sports. We have already seen with Lance Armstrong that its like a stack of cards when people start naming names in order to get reduced penalties. The links that football and league have with other sports mean that any sport could be vunerable.

        • Roar Guru

          February 8th 2013 @ 12:09pm
          AndyRoo said | February 8th 2013 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

          Thanks Fuss.

          That is the first time I have seen it properly explained.

          With just the information given public I was wondering what the big deal was.

          The existence of the Classified Report….. now I see why this story is news.

      • February 8th 2013 @ 10:05am
        Ian Whitchurch said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        Redb,

        Google ‘GHRP-6 Illawarra Mercury”.

        Check the dateline of the story. April 2, 2012.

        Im betting there is a receipt in the possession of the Essendon Football Club, paying Dank’s supplier for GHRP-6.

        If your google skills arent up to it, click this link

        http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/112360/two-year-ban-too-harsh/

        • Roar Guru

          February 8th 2013 @ 10:11am
          Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:11am | ! Report

          Ian,

          Would that be why Essendon sacked Dank due to unauthorised expenditure?

          • February 8th 2013 @ 10:22am
            Ian Whitchurch said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:22am | ! Report

            Redb,

            The dateline on that story would be before the EFC started demanding waivers and confidentiality declaration from their players, yes ?

            At absolute minimum, it appears Hird didnt try very hard to understand what The Weapon was doing. At absolute best, he was deliberately ignorant of things he should have known about.

            For that reason alone, the EFC needs to be smashed – so that the next Geelong, or Collingwood, or GWS, that decides its going to let their phys-edders do whatever the hell it is that they are doing to deliver such rapid muscle mass increase and recovery time has a bit of a think and a check.

            • Roar Guru

              February 8th 2013 @ 10:44am
              Fussball ist unser leben said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:44am | ! Report

              Geelong players bulked up way too fast over one preseason & they were using the same sports scientists implicated at Esssendon.

              If it’s found Geelong was cheating, both their Premiership trophies will, most likely, be voided.

            • Roar Guru

              February 8th 2013 @ 11:52am
              Redb said | February 8th 2013 @ 11:52am | ! Report

              Steady Ian you’ll burst a blood vessel. Your sounding like Caroline Wilson.

              I think you’ll find Hird is no different to many coaches and does not know enough or has put too much faith in sports science gurus. Malthouse and Hardwick have both conceded they would be in the same boat as Hird.

              This Dank bloke has alleged criminal connections and supplies a lot of the supplements through associated entities. Nuff said.

              I think the smokey is in fact Bomber Thompson, if Hird is guilty of anything its relinquishing too much control to Bomber who clearly has misjudged Robinson and by extension Dank.

      • February 8th 2013 @ 10:35am
        Von Neumann said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:35am | ! Report

        As I understand, the names of those who are known (and there are many) have been handed onto police. You can’t come out and name names in public.

      • February 8th 2013 @ 3:54pm
        mahonjt said | February 8th 2013 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

        Dear RedB,

        1. Report yesterday was rightly the unclassified version.
        2. Crime Commission does not do the law enforcement – the member organisations do.
        3. Real work begins now as player/scientist behaviour changes reflecting the knowledge that member organisations have been investigating them.
        4. These “bozos” appear to have blown open the AFL and NRL on a massive scale.
        5. Latest attempt to draw football in has not worked and from here on in AFL/NRL are standing out like spare dicks at a wedding.
        6. You are a clown.

        The end.

        *gets popcorn and TV remote ready to watch the show unfold over next 2 – 3 years*

    • February 8th 2013 @ 8:25am
      Cpaaa said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:25am | ! Report

      This is so wonderfully exciting, its like a real life who done it “cluedo ” game. Was it the Butler,was it Colonel Mustard or was it Darth Dimitriou himself.

      “We know you done it, but we are not saying who done it, but we know its you, you are not safe and we will find you! “….its brilliant. Lets get all the code directors together in one room and lets play.

      Im kind off upset that the build up to the “who done it” spectacle has taken the gloss away from the little football hoodlums. This makes flares look like a puff of smoke and broken chairs look like…well broken chairs.

      Whoever is behind the PR, keep it rolling its brilliant theatre.

      • February 8th 2013 @ 8:43am
        Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        Whilst I don’t think we need to follow the advice of Federal Senator(and renown anti-gambling advocate ) Nick Xenophon and ban sports betting, I think like prohibition in the USA, that would just drive it underground. I would like to see a scaling back of the constant bombardment of live odds and geez, I’ve had enough of those Tom Waterhouse adverts(am I the only one?).

        Yes Poor Jaimee Rodgers could be out of a job, but I wonder how the NRL(to name but one..I think the AFL also have an exclusive deal with somebody?) are feeling this morning after taking the $50mil from Tom Waterhouse recently???

        FFA recently went to extreme lengths (crueling an AUFC sponsorship in the process) to distance itself from alcohol sponsorship, I’d like to see all major sports go down the same path as we did in the 80s for tobacco sponsorship with regards to gambling sponsorship.

        • Roar Guru

          February 8th 2013 @ 10:20am
          peeeko said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:20am | ! Report

          i agree kasey , banning it will just take it underground but please get rid of the advertising like tobacco

        • February 8th 2013 @ 5:56pm
          Kev said | February 8th 2013 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

          You’re not the only one. I’m sick of seeing Tom Waterhouse’s smug dial all over ad’s and I’m sick of seeing and hearing about the odds of a game. If people want to gamble let them, there are phone apps that allow for this so there’s no need to plaster it all over TV and radio.

    • February 8th 2013 @ 8:42am
      Crown77 said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:42am | ! Report

      You know what it’s called Karma!

      For all the years that AFL and NRL big boys have been giving grief to the Real Football including our World Cup internal hosting war.

      I see this with amusement… Let the show begin!

      • February 8th 2013 @ 8:47am
        Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 8:47am | ! Report

        C77:

        you’re dreaming if you think ‘real football’ doesn’t need to be alert to the tentacles of organised crime. Calciopoly in Italy, the current Europol investigtion. Even yesterday the Aust Crime Comission said no sport was immune.

        my post from another thread:
        ——-
        The HAL principle amongst the major Australian sports leagues needs to be on the ‘ alert but not alarmed’ footing for match fixing. Why? Football is the global game and thus is easier for foreigners to understand who needs to be approached in order to fix the outcome of a game. Secondly, we are not the EPL…..a dodgy looking result might stand out like the proverbial in a higher profile league that has the eyes of the world upon it.
        In the HAL our equalisation measures make it much less of a shock if last beats first. In fact we half expect it and take pride in the fact our league is so competitive.
        Going in our favour are the revelations of yesterday mean we are forewarned and forearmed…secondly as Mike Tuckerman states, the minimum wage laws in our CBA mean our worst paid players aren’t as badly off as some of the journeymen footballers around the world…in fact I think Nordster we have just found a valid argument against the abolition of the minimum wage floor in the PFA/FFA CBA.
        ——-

      • Roar Guru

        February 8th 2013 @ 9:57am
        peeeko said | February 8th 2013 @ 9:57am | ! Report

        Really strange view on things, which Afl, Nrl big boys? Why the use of “real football” the Olympics also cop a lot of grief about hosting rights,

      • February 8th 2013 @ 10:03am
        Kev said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:03am | ! Report

        Why do soccer fans expect rival codes like the AFL and NRL to just bend over and willingly suspend their respective seasons just so they can bring the World Cup here? If soccer wasn’t the basket case that it has been for decades then they could have built their own stadiums at their own cost instead of leeching off other codes.

        • February 8th 2013 @ 10:10am
          Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          Kev:
          rlevance to the ACC report released yesterday please?

          • February 8th 2013 @ 10:30am
            Kasey said | February 8th 2013 @ 10:30am | ! Report

            Sorry Kev, I just re-read that idiotic flame from C77.
            does not speak for reasonable football fans..C77 seems to be a multi of today’s other idiot ‘Charlie’ setting out to make football fans look like cranks:(

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              February 8th 2013 @ 12:31pm
              Tristan Rayner said | February 8th 2013 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

              Please report fellows like Charlie, as soon as possible. There’s no need to tolerate that. We’re all here to enjoy good debate. Some guys push the boundaries, and we drop notes at times or remove comments. Those people who go right off are another thing entirely.

              Be aware we do put in pretty strong moderation, but we don’t want to move to moderating every comment. Your help to keep this place that we work so hard on free from flaming and trolling is appreciated.

          • February 8th 2013 @ 12:04pm
            Kev said | February 8th 2013 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

            Ask Crown77.

            • February 8th 2013 @ 1:51pm
              Crown77 said | February 8th 2013 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

              The truth hurst does it?

              Why are you blaming Me I’m not the one on drugs.

              I hate AFL and NRL, I can’t express my opinion now?

              • February 8th 2013 @ 3:58pm
                Kev said | February 8th 2013 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                You can’t even stay on point. I took issue with you whining about rival codes standing in the way of the FFA trying to get the World Cup here as if to say that the AFL and NRL have a duty to help soccer, not the problem of illicit and performance enhancing drugs in those respective codes. If there are clubs and players found to be doing either of these things, and based on reports in the last 2 days it seems like the ACC has serious evidence, then all of them deserve to have the book thrown at them.

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