Did Australian sport’s darkest day come too soon?
By Luke Doherty, 9 Feb 2013 Luke Doherty is a Roar Expert
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Most people would say, given the magnitude of the findings in the report by the Australian Crime Commission this week, that it was a long overdue wake-up call for all of the major codes.
They were apparently woken from their slumber with the scourge of performance enhancing drugs, infiltration by organised crime and match fixing whacking them across the face.
They found out just before we did that perhaps sport isn’t as clean as it was once thought.
But what was considered long-overdue now appears premature. The giants should’ve been allowed to linger in their slumber for a while longer.
47 pages of alarming claims were released into the public domain with many more detailed pages sitting on the desks of sports administrators.
Those pages are the ones that matter, but unfortunately the fans won’t be allowed to see their contents.
Instead, you and I are left to wonder just who are the players and clubs that new NRL chief executive Dave Smith alluded to in Canberra on Thursday morning.
It’s only right that the relevant authorities know the finer details of the 12-month investigation, but the decision to throw a cryptic version into the public domain is highly questionable.
The NRL season starts in just under a month and any investigation into any player or club won’t be completed before then. It might not be completed before the end of the season or the next season.
Sports like cycling have shown us how hard it is to get a definitive doping conviction.
It has led to a situation where we have incredibly alarming allegations and not a clue who they relate to.
The report has put not just rugby league players in the spotlight, but also cast a shadow over the entire Australian sporting landscape.
Fans want to see sport played by clean athletes, but until more detail is forthcoming, how do we determine who is clean and who isn’t?
It’s incredibly unfair for every athlete to be painted with the same brush.
The Australian Crime Commission did a fantastic job to uncover as much detail as it did, but why couldn’t it have waited until the guilty had confessed?
Any player found guilty of bending the rules deserves to face appropriate punishment, but the non-guilty don’t deserve to be lumped in with them while the process takes its course.
These headlines took just minutes to travel right around the world.
A once proud sporting nation was portrayed as a colony of cheats.
The Guardian website carried this headline: “Australian sport rife with drugs, claims report.”
The Telegraph website (UK version) said “Australian sport hit by doping scandal.”
Note that it’s not players at certain clubs, but Australian sport that cops a beating internationally.
All of this without a charge laid against a single individual or club.
Sport needs to be clean and cheats punished.
The way sport is monitored in Australia is about to be changed and it’s highly doubtful that it would’ve happened without the ACC report.
But we needed names when the bombshell was dropped.
We needed to know who had crossed the line.
Without the hard evidence in the public domain speculation and rumour will run rife.
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February 9th 2013 @ 7:53am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 7:53am | Report comment
“It’s incredibly unfair for every athlete to be painted with the same brush.”
With the exposition of grubbiness within the 2 biggest sporting competitions in Australia, we will also expose the inherent hypocrisy across AUS media and AUS society.
The same people, who snigger whenever a Chinese swimmer breaks a world record, now express outrage that the cheating of a few Aussie sportsmen, will adversely impact all Aussie sportsman.
How the rest of the sporting world must be laughing & enjoying this! There’s no greater joy than watching hypocrites being exposed and many in the AUS sporting media are hypocrites.
Finally, I say: BRAVO to the Australian Crime Commission.
As we know, the wheels of justice move slowly & this will drag on for a couple of years.
February 9th 2013 @ 12:02pm
DeanP said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
“The same people, who snigger whenever a Chinese swimmer breaks a world record”
cite please?
“How the rest of the sporting world must be laughing & enjoying this”
doubt it, maybe in NZ (tee-hee!), but elsewhere they have more important things to worry about
February 9th 2013 @ 12:49pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
“elsewhere they have more important things to worry about”
Thursday, 7 Februar 2013
The Guardian, which is one UK’s main newspapers for Sport
“Australian doping inquiry finds illegal drugs rife in country’s sport”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/07/australian-doping-sport-drugs
The Spanish News service that is broadcast on SBS Tv ran the story. As did DW on SBS Tv. This is massive news around the world, because AUS had always played the “holier than thou” card.
February 9th 2013 @ 1:34pm
DeanP said | February 9th 2013 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
wow, the guardian reports news from Aus. Who’d have thought it? But it’s not massive news around the world, as you wildly claim. It is massive news in Aus, and as such is bound to be picked up overseas. This is the internet age, in case you hadn’t noticed.
February 9th 2013 @ 1:41pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
I’d be surprised if there was a single major news service in any developed country that did NOT run the story.
But, AFL fans should be very pleased – finally, the AFL is getting global recognition … for being drug cheats!
February 9th 2013 @ 2:05pm
c said | February 9th 2013 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
oh fuss you know what i want to say to you
February 9th 2013 @ 3:43pm
The_Wookie said | February 9th 2013 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
hows all those match fixing investigations working out for worldwide soccer….
dont worry about the spec in our eyes chief when youve got a tree hanging out your own.
February 9th 2013 @ 5:41pm
Lroy said | February 9th 2013 @ 5:41pm | Report comment
Dude, this is the number 1 sports story on CNN at the moment, they are even interviewing Australian CNN employees to get their opinion.
What concerns me is that no details have been released.. what teams, what players?
At the moment all we have is a series of generalised and unsubstantiated allegations.
February 9th 2013 @ 5:56pm
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 9th 2013 @ 5:56pm | Report comment
Hey Fussy, did you notice how they used the term ‘soccer’ in the Guardian report! Ooh that must hurt, but at least you can take solace in the fact that whilst Asian crime syndicates are now using Australian soccer games to launder dirty money, a few Essendon players had vitamin injections. Which for those of us with needle phobias is actually quite terrifying now that I think about it…
February 9th 2013 @ 6:28pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
“a few Essendon players had vitamin injections”
Keep the faith, comrade – I, too, would try to maintain solidarity when they’re about to smash down the door.
I thought this article by one of AUS most respected crime journalists was extremely enligtening:
“Crooked bounce into arms of crims” by John Silvester
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/crooked-bounce-into-arms-of-crims-20130208-2e3ju.html
In the article, Silvester exposes grubby relationships between some of Melbourne’s most notorious drug traffickers & receivers of stolen goods … and AFL players.
In relation to “they only took Vitamins”, Silvester made this very amusing observation:
“Charter, known as Dr Ageless allegedly provided Essendon with supplements valued around $30,000 including, it is said, vitamin B and C shots delivered ”off-site”.
At the chemist across the road from The Age you can get three vitamin B12 shots for $16.95.
At that price some of the Bombers must have left the off-site clinic looking as if attacked by an acupuncturist on angel dust.”
February 9th 2013 @ 6:40pm
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:40pm | Report comment
Thanks for the link, interesting article, particularly the bit about the AFL having the best integrity protection in Australian sport whereas soccer is increasingly under the influence of criminal Asian betting syndicates. My understanding is this is particularly common for lesser known, low profile competitions with limited domestic interest, making the a league a perfect target.
February 9th 2013 @ 6:45pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:45pm | Report comment
Always glad to assist.
After 12 months of investigations, using sophisticated electronic surveillance and coercive interrogation methods ..
.. The ACC did not find a SINGLE case of drug abuse – illicit or PEID – or match-fixing involving A-League players.
A case of “seek and they did NOT find”.
PS: Your understanding about “lesser known, low profile competitions with limited domestic interest, making the a league a perfect target” for organised crime … what does that say about AFL & NRL being at the centre of the cheating in AUS sport?
February 9th 2013 @ 7:09pm
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 9th 2013 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
I wouldn’t be so confident, the report does talk about use of PIEDs by ‘sub elite athletes’ which would seem a pretty accurate moniker for most soccer players, meaning you may not be out of the woods yet! On a more serious note, how a reasonable or educated person (which I acknowledge may explain your responses) could read the ACC report and conclude that one sport or another is specifically in trouble whereas others are in the clear really is bizarre. It’s packed full of the vaguest language imaginable and until specific charges are laid any intellectually honest person (again, i accept that condition may not apply in your case) would conclude that we won’t know the full truth or scope of these allegations for some time.
February 9th 2013 @ 7:36pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 7:36pm | Report comment
To be honest, after reading the UNCLASSIFIED report, I was none the wiser about which sports were involved.
But, more recent comments from the Minister for Sport and the Justice Minister have clearly demonstrated AFL & NRL are in big trouble; and, comments by VicPol and FFA CEO have clearly stated A-League are not the focus of any investigation pursuant to the ACC Report.
February 9th 2013 @ 8:35pm
TC said | February 9th 2013 @ 8:35pm | Report comment
Let me guess – he had a most serious expression and he was talking tough.
Someone ought to remind him that it’s a Commonwealth election on this year.
February 9th 2013 @ 9:15pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
“Let me guess – he had a most serious expression and he was talking tough”
The Minister for Sport is female; the Justice Minister is male.
Aren’t AFL & NRL the 2 most popular sports with the AUS electorate?
So, you’re suggesting …
… in an election year, the Government – who is already struggling in the polls – has specifically decided to alienate the fans of the 2 biggest domestic sporting competitions in AUS?!!
With such theories on political strategy, you’re sure to be used as an “expert political strategist” for Today Tonight &/or Current Affair.
February 9th 2013 @ 9:27pm
BigAl said | February 9th 2013 @ 9:27pm | Report comment
Hope everyone has read todays piece on the Roar about the ‘…new McCarthyism…’ re all this.
Possibly the best, and definately the deepest article I’ve read here for some time.
February 10th 2013 @ 12:17pm
Kasey said | February 10th 2013 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
“It’s incredibly unfair for every athlete to be painted with the same brush.”
Oh how funny this is……when one incident of anti-social behavior occurs at a Football game, every Football fan gets unfairly painted with the same ‘hooligan’ brush, 14 evictions? 15,000 blamed. On Saturday SAPoliceNews followed the dodgy twitter example of their Victorian colleagues by proudly trumpeting on Facebook what a great job they’d done in evicting ‘x’ amount of people(from memory 11? out of 12,000) from Hindmarsh the night before eliciting the usual gang of idiotic responses on Facebook..” why do soccer fans always have to riot?” being my favourite of the day.
I hope in the fullness of time the guilty parties(clubs&players) in this slimy scandal are named and then I imagine that the condemnation of all Australian Sports athletes will take on a more pointed focus to only target those that have actually transgressed. Already it appears there are 6 NRL clubs under investigation(this morning’s Sydney papers)
I’m not holding my breath, after-all, the sports media haven’t exactly got form for being even-minded, fair and balanced in their coverage of anything they deem controversial have they?
February 9th 2013 @ 7:56am
Robert said | February 9th 2013 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Spot on.Any success a team has this year will have a dark cloud hanging over their head.If they have specific players that they can confirm have cheated,weed them out now so the innocent can enjoy any success without being tarnished.Or is this report all smoke and mirrors from a struggling government that has no idea whats going on and they are just putting this threat out in hope it may scare players into confessions
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February 9th 2013 @ 4:19pm
kid said | February 9th 2013 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
I don’t think there will be a dark cloud. There is not widespread known cheating in australia. There maybe a couple of dodgy sports scientists who are telling teams their stuff is not illegal when it is but widespread cheating is not possible
February 9th 2013 @ 9:23am
c said | February 9th 2013 @ 9:23am | Report comment
luke how do you think i feel when sokkah is also thrown into this dirty mix and directly implicated by association when a wide blanket is blatantly thrown over all sport by the media
- oh well i may be wrong many here may consider sokkah to be a part of Australian sport
February 9th 2013 @ 9:25am
MV Dave said | February 9th 2013 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Great pick up c.
February 9th 2013 @ 9:37am
c said | February 9th 2013 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Just reported on 5aa radio that $ 40 m was bet on an au v mv game last year via Asia and some official ? stated he was not aware how much betting occurred on football ffs here we go again
February 9th 2013 @ 9:52am
MV Dave said | February 9th 2013 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Front page of The Age with a picture of MV fans also;
http://www.theage.com.au/national/the-game-gamblers-bet-49m-on-20130208-2e433.html
Funnily enough theAge report, which had a number of factual inaccuracies left out the following;
“International surveillance agency Sportradar alerted Football Federation Australia at the time but found nothing untoward in its investigations.
And Sportradar again gave the match in question the green light after FFA sought assurances yesterday following reports that law enforcement agencies were investigating.
“Sportradar’s Fraud Detection System (FDS) identifies betting-related manipulation in sport to all the major organisations in world football, including UEFA and English, French, German, Scottish, Italian and Asian federations.
“My understanding is that our surveillance agency reviewed that game at the time and found nothing untoward and they confirmed to us last night that in their view there were no integrity concerns around that match or any other A-League match,” Gallop told the Herald Sun.”
That extra bit was in the HS report…strange how it wasn’t included in the age’s report?
The other point missed by these so called investigative journos doing the hatchet job on Sokkah was to neglect to mention that the weekend of that MV game was immediately after the cessation of the 3 major Asian leagues ie J League etc and so punters who normally bet on those may well have been looking to bet on other leagues in time friendly zones!
February 9th 2013 @ 10:03am
Whites said | February 9th 2013 @ 10:03am | Report comment
What does anyone expect? Another incompetent decision by an incompetent government.
February 9th 2013 @ 12:12pm
Anon said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
A couple of points here.
A. WADA/ASADA testing alone is not enough – Richard Ings has suggested you might catch 1 in 10 or 1 in 20. But hey – we already knew that from looking at Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong and even in Aust at the inability to detect career long illicit drug use by Andrew Johns.
B. often the players seeking to gain advantage are the ones most needing to stoop to that level – so, often the fringe players – as seen in Australian Football circles – it’s been fringe non-AFL listed but AFL aspirational players in the VFL and WAFL who have so far been found. For soccer or RU fans to clutch onto the idea that their sports might be clean because they weren’t specifically mentioned is I would suggest a tad naive. Whilst the focus of the ACC has been on criminal importation/distribution etc and the AFL and NRL seem implicated but to what degree and is it illegal product or WADA prohibited or both?
C. the ACC are focussed on criminal activity – breaking a WADA code may not fit that – but, illegal importation will. The ACC and law enforces could send 100 people to jail without touching elite athletes and the law enforces would be satisfied – the question for ASADA is a whole different one around proving usage of banned substances or beyond acceptable levels.
D. the focus now on intelligence more so than testing means that the AFL was even ahead of ASADA with respect to establishing a dedicated integrity department back in 2008. Just why ASADA was happily accepting their commissions to test when the tests were becoming more and more irrelevant whilst allowing the major codes to become mor vulnerable all the time is a concern. Seeing the comment from the AFL that around 12 months ago they suspected that ASADA testing really wasn’t cutting the mustard and now they know it – the question is just how much was the AFL expected to do? And how much more HAVE they been doing already than most the other codes?
E. Codes and their administration are in some part requiring separation from the clubs. The AFL for example can do all within their limited powers (i.e. full WADA/ASADA testing, integrity unit, illicit drugs testing, etc etc) – and we’ve heard that the AFL met monthly with policy and ASADA – but, ASADA seemingly have been asleep at the wheel and the state police were very limited in just what intelligence could be shared. The peak sports code admin bodies only have so much capacity – they don’t have the powers of the police or the ACC.
F. the extension then of point E is that it’s all very easy to blame sports codes – however – a large responsibility here is Governmental and law enforcement.
February 9th 2013 @ 12:25pm
Midfielder said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
From a football perspective it’s a double edged sword … we are being spoken about in the media as a major code… you could argue and I have in the past that whenever the AFL have a big issue their media go looking to expand it and say it’s not only us etc…
Given the report said across all codes it opened the way for a lot of talk how the good AFL folk are at worst the same as others…
This has resulted in the A-League provided a status it never has had before and it will be impossible to undo now it is done…
Take this imagine from the Herald Sun … its of a packed MV match and their fans … re the 49 million dollar bet… my guess is Fuss nailed it on this it looks to me to be washing money because if it was a fix then someone would have main one hell of a big pay day… and because of that the bet would normally not be taken…
From Fuss’s post on another thread…
Right now, AUFC v MVFC the odds are:
Home: 2.9
Draw: 3.5
Away: 2.3
The win with a 49 m bet is
Home 142.1 m
Draw 171.5 m
Away 112.7 M
Remember washing money tho gambling is one of the most common methods of turning dirty money to clean money..
BUT back to the imagine http://professional.fairfaxsyndication.com/Doc/FXJ/Media/TR3/7/1/c/2/FXT116669.jpg
Essentially the A-League is being discussed as a major league in Australia something some reporters would have previous cut their hand off than rather than submit an article increasing the A-League awareness…
February 9th 2013 @ 12:55pm
peeeko said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
I think if they were looking to wash thy would do it over a few events not just one match
February 9th 2013 @ 12:58pm
Anon said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
from a soccer perspective you seem to have a big issue about the AFL?
Note that the ACC is concerned about the major importation (illegal) of a lot of this stuff. Now – there might be sports science departments pushing boundaries – however, there might also be a lot of ‘local’ players with aspiration who are doing all they can to break into the ‘big time’ or fringe players trying desperately to stay there.
Now – if you can categorically assert that that scenario doesn’t play out in soccer then perhaps you can be confident that a broader investigation wouldn’t show any issues.
What we do know for certain is that reliance upon ASADA for testing and results that way is akin to negligence with what’s now known/suspected.
This is as much about what is or may have happened over the recent past and what will happen if nothing is done in the very near future.
So – yes – all codes. Remember – it may just be that the Essendon players might not be guilty (under WADA, nor of criminal activity) but that the sports ‘scientists’ involved or somewhere in the supply chain that illegal sourcing of product might be the issue – that would satisfy the ACC and law enforcers.
February 9th 2013 @ 1:31pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
“if you can categorically assert that that scenario doesn’t play out in soccer then perhaps you can be confident that a broader investigation wouldn’t show any issues.”
A 12 month investigation by one of the most powerful domestic information gathering agencies, using coercive powers, has been unable to uncover a single issue of drug abuse or match-fixing by SOCKAH.
How much broader an investigation do you want?
No SOCKAH players are involved. But, the ACC has identified AFL & NRL players using various surveillance techniques: sophisticated electronic listening & video devices, tracing money transfers, etc.
The next phase is narrower with VicPol & ASADA, who won’t be going on a fishing expedition; they’re now going after the people, who have been identified by the ACC.
The jig is up for AFL & NRL – for the past 8 years, they’ve known about problems, but a compliant media allowed them to spin a fairytale.
The ACC have dealt with organisations & people far more devious and criminally savvy than anyone at AFL & NRL.
February 9th 2013 @ 2:11pm
c said | February 9th 2013 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
fuss excuse me but is the correct spelling sokkah or sockah we should be on the same page as we are talking about the world game here !
February 9th 2013 @ 2:16pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
c
You make a very valid point. I’ve always thought “SOCKAH” (using upper case to add to the impact
), but I’ve noticed on Twitter some people writing SOKKAH.
February 9th 2013 @ 3:33pm
sean maguire said | February 9th 2013 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
The only person I’ve ever noticed use that spelling is you Fussball.
February 9th 2013 @ 6:04pm
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
A real positive to come out of this story is how fussy has been able to return to his first and true love – obsessing about the AFL.
February 9th 2013 @ 6:35pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:35pm | Report comment
Well, the mood in the week leading up to AFL season is starting to resemble the final scenes of that wondeful German film: Der Untergang … by this time next year, there may be 1-2 less tabs on The Roar website.
February 9th 2013 @ 6:44pm
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
And certainly a lot fewer worksheets in your crowd and tv audience monitoring .xls file! Don’t worry too much though, I’m pretty confident there will be an AFL competition for you to obsess about in forensic detail for a few more years to come.
February 9th 2013 @ 6:53pm
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 9th 2013 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
@FAts
I have no doubt some sort of Aussie Rules competition will continue in the future.
The rumours I’m hearing in Melbourne is that Barwon Prison is expecting a heap of new recruits as VicPol & ASADA take control of the ACC information.
Looks like “Barwon Prison AFL” may soon become the premier AFL competition the world.
February 9th 2013 @ 7:12pm
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 9th 2013 @ 7:12pm | Report comment
Whereas for the a league players engaged in shady dealings with Asian crime syndicates, Barwon prison will seem a paradise! If I had to choose between facing the wrath of Vicpol or an angry triad boss, give me the boys in blue every time.
February 9th 2013 @ 7:21pm
TC said | February 9th 2013 @ 7:21pm | Report comment
I’m surprised there’s still an AFL tab on the Roar – it wouldn’t attract a lot of traffic
February 10th 2013 @ 8:22am
eagleJack said | February 10th 2013 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Fuss, I think the ACC are being very generous in suggesting they investigated the A-League for 12 months in relation to drug use.
A 10min look at the standard of play in any A-League match would have provided sufficient evidence that PIEDs were not being used by the players.
February 10th 2013 @ 8:30am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 10th 2013 @ 8:30am | Report comment
@eagleJack
I’m not sure I follow your rationale?
What are you expecting to observe from people, who use PIEDs?
The AFL club at the centre of the Drug Abuse Scandal finished 11 out of 18 teams.
PS: Nice to know you’re watching A-League … or, is your comment about the quality of A-League based on “never watching” & ignorance?
February 10th 2013 @ 8:53am
eagleJack said | February 10th 2013 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Yep I do watch the A-League. But I am not naive in thinking the standard of play is anything special. But it is getting better. The trouble is as soon as any player shows a bit of talent he is shipped off to Europe. Keep stars and attract stars (in their prime) and this will no doubt change.
I enjoy a myriad of sports and find someone who spends an inordinate amount of time on forums bagging other sports to be extremely narrow minded.
February 10th 2013 @ 9:21am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 10th 2013 @ 9:21am | Report comment
@eaglejack
What are you on about? We’re talking about Drug Abuse in AFL & NRL and you’re off on a tangent about players moving overseas.
The way people, who aren’t primarily football fans on The Roar, tell us ‘yes I watch a lot of SOCKAH & A-League’, Foxtel ratings for A-League should be close to matching NRL & AFL!
So, excuse me if I’m sceptical whey you say Yep I do watch the A-League”.
February 10th 2013 @ 10:50am
Anon said | February 10th 2013 @ 10:50am | Report comment
It seems to me that you’ve missed the point of all of this.
The point is that you wouldn’t know. The ASADA testing will tell you pretty well nothing.
The ACC admitted to a more specific focus on two codes in particular – and a reasonable starting point – the NRL and AFL where – the vast majority of two large pools of players are domestic based all year around and any focus of investigation would be more likely to return results and also resonate within the Australian context.
“Based on intelligence provided to the ACC, Project Aperio primarily considered two
major sporting codes in Australia and collected incidental intelligence relating to other
sporting codes.”
“This report does not provide a comprehensive summary of all relevant activity of
concern in all sports, or all sporting clubs and franchises in Australia. Rather it represents
a snapshot of the activity,”
But Mr Fuss – whoever you are – I’m very glad that you feel so confident that what you’re interpreting as ‘no news’ is what you determine to be ‘good news’.
It still occurs to me that you’ve entirely missed the point. And you’re repeated ranting and anti AFL baiting does you a disservice.
February 9th 2013 @ 12:50pm
Dcnz said | February 9th 2013 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
There is no certainty how this will play out yet chaps ..
Either the government and the ACC will lose all credibility or the clubs will be forever tarnished …
February 9th 2013 @ 3:52pm
Luke Doherty said | February 9th 2013 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
Update from the NRL today:
“The National Rugby League and the Australian Sports Drug Agency have established a specific Rugby League Help Line through which any player, official or consultant, past or present, can provide information in relation to any anti-doping issue.
Players can contact 1300 550 485 on a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week basis to talk with an Intelligence Manager at ASADA who will be available to confidentiality collect information.
Players will be able to provide the confidential information, receive advice relating to anti-doping concerns and come forward with information that may reduce the level of any sanction.
Any member of the public will be able confidentially provide information on doping issues through the existing ASADA Hot Line – 1300 027 232 – or they can log on to http://www.asada.gov.au
The NRL is also finalising the legal framework for a separate service that will allow fans, past and present players and officials to provide any information on any issue unrelated to doping. This number will be released next week.
“We remain convinced that the absolute majority of players in our game are doing the right thing for sport and for Rugby League,” NRL Chief Executive, Mr Dave Smith, said today.
“This is, therefore, a difficult time and we accept that there are a lot of unanswered questions and that there are a number of issues that we cannot provide certainty on.
“If any player has any doubts then the help line may assist.
“The fact remains that Rugby League has been a point of focus in the Australian Crime Commission investigations.
“The Crime Commission has information pertaining to a number of clubs and a number of players and our responsibility is to co-operate with authorities in further investigating that information.
“Regardless of those outcomes, we have an opportunity to emerge stronger as a game by strengthening our procedures and resources going forward and the Integrity Unit will be a significant step.
“In the meantime, the more people come forward with information the closer we are to being able to get some certainty for everyone.
“Any NRL player or official who may have been involved with performance-enhancing substances, who has knowledge or who has serious doubts about procedures at a club, should use the help line to take advantage of what may only be a brief window of opportunity.
“A person who comes forward now and who provides meaningful assistance that leads to further matters being proven could face a reduced sanction under the policy.”
February 9th 2013 @ 5:32pm
The_Wookie said | February 9th 2013 @ 5:32pm | Report comment
Im kind of surprised the help line thing isnt being funded by the AFl, NRL, FFA as a joint enterprise. With ASADA being neutral to all, it makes sense.
February 10th 2013 @ 2:27am
Tenash said | February 10th 2013 @ 2:27am | Report comment
FATS
i’m not on anyones side but credit where its due
that asian crime synd v/s vicpol comment was GOLD standard
February 10th 2013 @ 7:54am
DeanP said | February 10th 2013 @ 7:54am | Report comment
this is what the ALP want to divert attention from
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/guards-of-dishonour-march-into-court-20130208-2e3ac.html?rand=1360331781166
the “swill of the Labor Party.”
they are so desperate that they are willing to besmirch, on a world stage, the reputation of ALL ozzie sportspeope. This is what the ozzie public need to get disgusted over.
February 10th 2013 @ 8:08am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 10th 2013 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Maybe, instead of trying to divert the blame, AFL & NRL players should simply “say NO to drugs”?
Simple recommendation to AFL & NRL players … Stop sticking needles in your arms and no one from law enforcement will pay any attention to you.
February 10th 2013 @ 9:45am
Cam said | February 10th 2013 @ 9:45am | Report comment
You’re a comedian. A few days after hundreds of soccer matches were exposed as fixed you’re laying the boot into other sports. Do you really want people to dredge through the inglorious history of soccer in this country and overseas? It goes without saying the crimes associated with soccer make everything else pale into insignificance. Just yesterday Arsene Wenger said soccer was full of cheats and drug abusers. Bosnich revealed he was subject to a bribery attempt as well, and admitted many would not be able to refuse. Then there’s the $50 million bet which a blind man can see was match fixing, even if the authorities don’t have hard evidence.
This local “scandal” is turning out be be smaller and smaller every day. Yesterday it was everyone, today it’s half a dozen NRL clubs, tomorrow it will be half a dozen players. I bet after it’s all said and done they might uncover a handful of people at a couple of clubs, hardly the national catastrophe it was made out to be.
So get off your high horse.
February 10th 2013 @ 8:07pm
MV Dave said | February 10th 2013 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
Blind man Cam
I suppose when their are 300 million people involved in playing, watching, officiating and administering the game of Football around the world their is bound to be a few rotten eggs….now which is your sport and how many are involved in it around the world?
BTW there is no evidence , forget about hard evidence, that any HAL matches have been subject to match fixing…however if you have some new information that you would like to share? From the HS below;
““International surveillance agency Sportradar alerted Football Federation Australia at the time but found nothing untoward in its investigations.
And Sportradar again gave the match in question the green light after FFA sought assurances yesterday following reports that law enforcement agencies were investigating.
“Sportradar’s Fraud Detection System (FDS) identifies betting-related manipulation in sport to all the major organisations in world football, including UEFA and English, French, German, Scottish, Italian and Asian federations.
“My understanding is that our surveillance agency reviewed that game at the time and found nothing untoward and they confirmed to us last night that in their view there were no integrity concerns around that match or any other A-League match,” Gallop told the Herald Sun.”
February 10th 2013 @ 9:51am
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 10th 2013 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Ooooh AFL, mmmmm AFL, Fussy can’t stop thinking about, obsessing about, caressng every last detail of those AFL players, the size of their needles, the strength of their TV ratings, mmmmm soo good..
February 10th 2013 @ 10:09am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 10th 2013 @ 10:09am | Report comment
I’m deeply interested in Criminal Law.
I cannot imagine anyone, who has a pasing interest in any sport, would not find this issue absolutely fascinating.
February 10th 2013 @ 10:53am
Fussball's AFL tracking spreadsheet said | February 10th 2013 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Assuming your fascination with criminal law is not the same as my fascination with particle physics (I.e. unaccompanied by any actual formal learning on the topic) perhaps you could help answer a question. If I’m a professional sportsperson pumping myself full of substances that, whilst banned by sporting authorities are perfectly legal when prescribed by a doctor (e.g. Testosterone, some forms of steroids, HGH) on what basis could the police come knocking on my door.
Sure, if caught i will be banned from playing sport, but have I actually committed any crimes? This is a purely hypothetical question by the way, the only performance enhancing drug I use is a strong cup of coffee before dragging myself out of the house for a jog.
February 10th 2013 @ 11:44am
Fussball ist unser leben said | February 10th 2013 @ 11:44am | Report comment
I have formal legal qualifications – i.e. LLB (Hons) – and, early in my career, was working closely with Australia’s 2 biggest corporate regulators: ACCC & ASIC.
I’m not at all familiar with the relevant legislation relating to “Drugs in Sport”, hence I’m trying to read as much as I can from intelligent & informed sources: e.g. Minister for Sport, Justice Minister, experts in sports medicine, etc.
If anyone on “The Roar” is an expert in the field of “Drugs in Sport – as a player, administrator, law enforcement, legislator etc. – I hope they post their comments .. I’m keen to devour as much info as I possibly can.
February 10th 2013 @ 5:51pm
TC said | February 10th 2013 @ 5:51pm | Report comment
It’s interesting that the distribution of some of these substance is not an illegal act.
That being the case, rather than all this political grandstanding, the two Ministers concerned should be passing legislation, i.e. doing their jobs!!