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Take ANZAC Day away from Essendon

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    After all of the off-season speculation around the ACC investigation, it is no longer appropriate that Essendon play in the ANZAC Day match.

    It may be taken out of the AFL’s hands anyway. There are rumours that Essendon could be banned from playing in 2013.

    This is extremely unlikely. If it doesn’t happen, and they are permitted to play this year, they should not be allowed to participate in the AFL’s biggest non-finals fixture.

    While we’re at it, let’s take it away from Collingwood too.

    The current drugs controversy is the perfect opportunity to right a clear wrong on the AFL calendar.

    The Bombers are under the microscope at the moment, and until it’s resolved they have no place in a day that honours mateship, fair-play, sacrifice and so on.

    They could hardly complain, and it’s the least of their worries really.

    Keeping with the charge of ‘acting against the interests of the AFL’ levelled at Melbourne, there are certainly grounds upon which to do so.

    Every time ANZAC Day comes around this argument raises it’s head. Why should Essendon and Collingwood get lone rights to one of the biggest days on the sporting calendar?

    There is no valid reason. These two clubs may be able to pull a crowd, however if the previous year’s grand finalists played off on the big day (a successful model employed by the SANFL), I’m sure you’d get a few people turning up.

    The biggest day on the AFL Calendar is grand final day, where a team must earn their right to play.

    ANZAC Day, arguably the second biggest day on the AFL calendar, should demand that the participants earn their right to play also.

    Just to be clear, if Collingwood and Essendon qualify for the 2013 grand final, yes certainly they are most welcome to play in the 2014 ANZAC Day clash.

    Every club should have the chance to play.

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    • March 2nd 2013 @ 8:33am
      Matt Richer said | March 2nd 2013 @ 8:33am | ! Report

      You say anzac day is one of the biggest days on the sporting calander? If thats true its purely because of essendon and Collingwood., who have built the game to what it is today To take it from them would be insanity, ane entirely unfair. This comes up every year and its getting more and more laughable. They more than earned the right to play, and handing it over to teams that have had no part in its creation is ridiculous. Hot tip maybe the demons can play in the west Australian derby this year?

      • March 3rd 2013 @ 3:27pm
        stevedeanski said | March 3rd 2013 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

        One of the points of this article is saying that the afl might be forced to do something else with the Anzac day match if ASADA step in ahead of the AFL and ban essendon (you never know) so we should think about it. Should we not have an ANZAC day match if Essendon are banned? Or should someone be able to play? Note – TheRoar changed this article quite a bit at the start and i think led some readers down the wrong track…
        In a difference of opinion, i don’t think it is purely because of essendon and collingwood that it is a big game. I believe the game is bigger than any clubs that play.
        I don’t understand your last sentence.
        cheers.

        • March 3rd 2013 @ 3:50pm
          Matt Richer said | March 3rd 2013 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

          The afl anzac game is what it is today because of what kevin sheedy did in 96, where he involved the rsl in making a game as a tribute to the anzacs with the ceremony before hand etc and being an annual clash between the leagues two biggest clubs. Before 96 the rsl opposed any games being played on the day and there was nothing special about the games that were occasionally played. So fair to say its 100% what it is today because of sheedy.
          As for whether or not the peptides controversy will affect essendons involvement is irrelevant. If they are guilty, they wont be involved in any matches let alone the anzac clash.
          My last comment refers to how ludicrous it would be for the game to be taken off essendon and collingwood purely for the sake of sharing, that its the equivalent of a team like melbourne playing in a derby clash because its also a popular game and with that logic it wouldnt be fair. How about taking the Queens birthday game off coll and melb… just stupid 

          • March 3rd 2013 @ 4:49pm
            stevedeanski said | March 3rd 2013 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

            That can’t be right about the RSL because they started their annual ANZAC day matches in the SANFL in the 50s and 60s. Unless perhaps the Victorian and South Australian RSLs had different views on playing on Anzac day, which, if this is the case means that the SANFL came up with the idea and definitely not Sheedy – so I disagree that it is fair to say the it’s 100% because of sheedy.
            On the Queens birthday topic, i would argue that this is a meaningless day on the australian calendar, so collingwood and melb can have this game. ANZAC day means a lot to everyone not just coll and ess.
            Although I wouldn’t actually be arguing if they did take it away from Collingwood and Melbourne so that, again, someone else can get a stand alone game on a public holiday and generate further support/revenue/income that a lot of clubs really really need (much more than collingwood).
            I hope you respect this difference of opinion.
            cheers

            • March 3rd 2013 @ 5:16pm
              Matt Richer said | March 3rd 2013 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

              Your confusing the sanfl anzac game with the current afl anzac clash. As far as I can remember the Victorian rsl was opposed to any sport being played on anzac day, untill thr current (successful) format was proposed. The sanfl game which I know nothing about should be irrelevant to the essendon Collingwood afl tradition. Thepoint is there was no regular afl game playef on anzac day untill 96; and since then because of the success brought about by essendon and collingwood has BECOME an important fixture. Its crazy to propose the teams played no part in the fixtures success and dont deserve to be there because its a national holiday. While the holiday and game are aligned, the tradition of the game has been completely built by the clubs.

              • March 5th 2013 @ 5:46pm
                stevedeanski said | March 5th 2013 @ 5:46pm | ! Report

                See checkside’s comment below.
                Unless ANZAC day is a day commemorating Essendon and Collingwood’s contribution to the first world war, then every team should have the chance to play on anzac day…

                You probably have nothing to fear however, as the AFL will probably never fix this…

              • March 12th 2013 @ 11:55pm
                stevedeanski said | March 12th 2013 @ 11:55pm | ! Report

                Hi Matt,

                just to take a couple of points of yours from your last comment below.

                “The right to play on any day doesn’t exist and nor should it”

                “Rights and fairness are having nothing to do with why this game continues to exist”

                Hear Hear!

          • March 4th 2013 @ 3:06pm
            Andrew A said | March 4th 2013 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

            Well said Matt.

            • March 5th 2013 @ 5:41pm
              stevedeanski said | March 5th 2013 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

              Essendon and Collingwood can still play, they just have to qualify. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. See checkside’s comment below…

              • March 5th 2013 @ 9:51pm
                Matt Richer said | March 5th 2013 @ 9:51pm | ! Report

                Nobody said anzac day is a tribute to ess and coll, and thats frankly a pretty narrow minded comment.
                The right to play on any day doesn’t exist and nor should it. Its completely irrelevant to why this game is played. Its a fitting tribute to the anzacs by the afl AND a game between two clubs that created the idea in it’s current format. No team has a right to play on any day and I cant see how essendon and collingwood having a traditional game on a tributory holiday has anything to do with this. Lets say all 18 teams play on anzac day. Kind of takes away from the spectacle, in the same way that changing teams each year would. This id why the afl hasn’t changed it. In your own words its the second biggest game of the year so why would they change it?
                Your missing the point completely. Rights and fairness having nothing to do with why this game continues to exist.

              • March 5th 2013 @ 10:11pm
                Matt Richer said | March 5th 2013 @ 10:11pm | ! Report

                Nobody said anzac day is a tribute to ess and coll, and thats frankly a pretty narrow minded comment proving an inability to understand the reason this game exists and is so successful.
                The right to play on any day doesn’t exist and nor should it. Its completely irrelevant to why this game is played. Its a fitting tribute to the anzacs by the afl AND a game between two clubs that created the fixture in it’s current format.Lets say all 18 teams play on anzac day. Kind of takes away from the spectacle, in the same way that changing teams would. This is why the afl hasn’t changed it. In your own words its the second biggest day (game) of the year, so changing it would be stupid.
                Your saying the game should be shared purely because its an important holiday, the facts are its a successful tribute because of what it is. No team has a right to play on anzac day, but the teams that made the day what it is to the afl community get the chance to continue tradition. I don’t expect you to understand that though, because apparently thats not fair on everone else?

    • March 2nd 2013 @ 8:49am
      Dave said | March 2nd 2013 @ 8:49am | ! Report

      How about you write something original? Or better yet, why doesn’t your club come up with something (like Essendon and Collingwood did with the ANZAC day game), and grow it each year to make it a big game you can participate in? The ANZAC Day game between Essendon and Collingwood is the second biggest game of the year because Essendon and Collingwood made it that. This kind of article is nothing more than thinly veiled jealousy.

      • March 3rd 2013 @ 3:33pm
        stevedeanski said | March 3rd 2013 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

        At least you got the point of the article, in that it was about the inequality of the system rather than banning essendon because they’re guilty of drugs (which has been misinterpreted by other readers largely due to the editing of the article by the Roar – see other comments).
        Yes this is the common response, and is obviously the view of the AFL too. However say Essendon is banned by ASADA (yes, unlikely but not entirely impossible) should at least someone have a turn then? This was one of the points of the article also.
        I don’t know about Ess and Coll building it up to what it is. It’s Australia and New Zealand’s Day, not Essendon and Collingwood’s. Besides, ANZAC Day games first started in the SANFL in the 60s…
        cheers

    • March 2nd 2013 @ 9:22am
      Matt P said | March 2nd 2013 @ 9:22am | ! Report

      The whole concept of ANZAC day blockbuster is only a new thing relatively speaking. The first one was effectively played in 1996 and has grown to what it is today, Other clubs have played games on the day (Freo for one) and they have never been able to build the same culture.

      Do you really think that Sydney Vs Hawthorn as ANZ would be the same spectacle, chances are that you would get 50k there. max probably 20 if it rains.

      While I do agree that Essendon might have lost the right to play a part in the fixture “if” they have done something wrong that is still an “if” and we live in a country that believes and stands by Natural justice.

      If Essendon have seriously breeched the rules like the media seems to be inclined to believe that they have then they should be punished and with a extremely firm punishment. But until that finding comes back we should all get off our high horses and let justice run its course

      • March 3rd 2013 @ 3:41pm
        stevedeanski said | March 3rd 2013 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

        Thanks for some informed response/opinion rather than in just anger… as this article was actually edited by the Roar quite a bit. … it wasn’t saying that Essendon should be removed from the anzac day clash on the basis of the assumptions of the club’s guilt, it was arguing that they should be removed regardless of their guilt – and that this was a good opportunity to do so. So i agree entirely that they are innocent until proven guilty.
        It was also saying that the afl might be forced to do it if ASADA step in ahead of the AFL and ban essendon (you never know) so we should think about it. Should we not have an ANZAC day match if Essendon are banned? Or should someone else play?
        I don’t know, I think maybe it would be possible to generate a massive crowd for Hawks/Swans if they had the sole fixture – lets give it a try!

    • March 2nd 2013 @ 10:17am
      Two shoes said | March 2nd 2013 @ 10:17am | ! Report

      Could not agree more with Matt exactly what has ease don been found guilty of? as I understand the CLUB has REQUESTED the investigation! Now we Have supposedly professional journalists in all manner of publications assuming the conclusions and basing articles on their assumptions. For gods sake from professional reporting and journalistic ethics might be required!

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    • March 2nd 2013 @ 10:41am
      Chris said | March 2nd 2013 @ 10:41am | ! Report

      Guilty until proven innocent.

      Thanks for taking us backwards 60 years.

      • March 3rd 2013 @ 3:43pm
        stevedeanski said | March 3rd 2013 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

        You’ve missed the point sorry, and it may be because this article was actually edited by the Roar quite a bit. … it wasn’t saying that Essendon should be removed from the anzac day clash on the basis of the assumptions of the club’s guilt, it was arguing that they should be removed regardless of their guilt – and that this was a good opportunity to do so. So i agree entirely that they are innocent until proven guilty.

    • March 2nd 2013 @ 11:57am
      Paul G said | March 2nd 2013 @ 11:57am | ! Report

      While your at it, throw Rubin “hurricane” Carter back in prison! While we are on “heresay”, IF essendon are all clear, they should sue the hell out of alot of people like yourself.

      • March 3rd 2013 @ 3:43pm
        stevedeanski said | March 3rd 2013 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

        You’ve missed the point sorry, and it may be because this article was actually edited by the Roar quite a bit. … it wasn’t saying that Essendon should be removed from the anzac day clash on the basis of the assumptions of the club’s guilt, it was arguing that they should be removed regardless of their guilt – and that this was a good opportunity to do so. So i agree entirely that they are innocent until proven guilty.

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