With reports Cronulla Sharks will be the first club to be sanctioned by the ASADA investigation, several Sharks will be looking over their shoulder. (AAP Image/Action Photographics, Grant Trouville)
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People who thought the drugs in the NRL story was a beat-up must surely be thinking differently now.
The revelations of massive drama at Cronulla, where, it has been reported, as many as 14 players have been encouraged to accept six-month bans for the use of performance-enhancing drugs following an investigation, might be just the start of it.
You would think the Sharks and/or the NRL will hold a media conference today in an attempt to give the league world at least some sort of understanding of what is going on, since the competition kicks off tonight and Cronulla are due to play their first game on Sunday.
When the report of the Australian Crime Commission’s investigation into the use of performance-enhancing drugs in football codes and links to organised crime was released last month, it never meant there was going to be a quick outcome to investigations.
These things take time, but because there were no names named and no-one’s head was on a plate after a week or two, some people thought it was safe to start rubbishing it.
We are not going to realise the full impact and learn most of the outcomes of the various investigations for a while, but developments at Cronulla, where former ASADA senior counsel Richard Redman was hired to advise the club, show it is all very real.
The heads of all the football codes have been fully briefed on the ongoing investigations by ASADA and the ACC, and we haven’t heard any of them downplay the importance of the whole thing.
NSW Sport Minister Graham Annesley was quoted saying the briefing he received from the ACC painted a picture that was “serious” and “scary”.
ASADA is obviously investigating the possible use of performance-enhancing drugs, and the ACC is investigating possible links between organised crime and sport. Such investigations cover a lot of ground and take a lot of time, and the people conducting the investigations don’t provide blow-by-blow descriptions for the benefit of us.
Anyway, it was made clear from the start that names couldn’t be named because of legal reasons. Obviously, if players are banned or people are charged, we will have names then.
When there isn’t evidence via positive drug tests of competitors having used performance-enhancing drugs, investigators go down other paths, and ASADA is able to use discounts on suspensions as a sort of bargaining tool for information.
If you have used performance-enhancing drugs and you help with the investigation, you might get a six-month ban instead of two years.
It’s the sort of option that can break up a group and convince individuals to look after themselves.
Or you can admit to nothing and roll the dice on whether you will be caught or not.
Suggestions that players could take legal action against their clubs, if they were banned for using performance-enhancing drugs they consider were taken inadvertently under supposedly legal club programs, don’t appear to carry any weight.
It is accepted that competitors are ultimately responsible for whatever they put into their body.
We obviously don’t know the extent of the evidence ASADA and the ACC have got, but we do know they have been out there collecting it for a while now. Police used phone taps when they were investigating the NRL betting scandal, so you have got to assume they have done the same thing here.
And there are always people out there who have seen and know things, and might want to get the information off their chest for whatever reason. Whistle-blowers have proven to be the mortal enemy of cheats in rugby league over the years.
But it wouldn’t be rugby league if there wasn’t some sort of drama enveloping the game. On one hand you’ve got the Roosters-Rabbitohs blockbuster on tonight, with the return of Sonny Bill Williams, and on the other hand you’ve got this.
It really is the game that keeps giving.
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March 7th 2013 @ 9:21am
PuntPal said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Boy who cried wolf?
I think if they had evidence, they wouldbt be ‘encouraging players to take 6 month bans’
THe claims are from 2011 and I dont think the Sharks players should be cooperating or saying a word.
ASADA are just trying to regain some cred and personally, I think they are disgracefuk in the way they have handled this, along with the ACC and the broader regualtory bodies.
If there is evidecne, then act…but this media circuses is clearly more about politics, grand-standing and fishing for evidence
March 7th 2013 @ 9:39am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:39am | Report comment
They have a whistle blower. They can do as they like now, the players. Clamming up is there choice, but the public wont ever trust any of them ever again. Or the club which will be on its knees looking for life support soon.
The sponsers took off weeks ago. The number one ticket holder also took off, the Buzz, to the wanderers game.
He seen the writing.
March 7th 2013 @ 9:55am
Kasey said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Serious qestion. Is/was Rothfield a Sharks fan?
March 7th 2013 @ 9:59am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Their number 1 ticket holder ,,, yes.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:37am
PuntPal said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:37am | Report comment
If the officials of cycluing could get Armstrong after thousand Tour De France, I doubt they have ability to nail anyone here, whistleblower or not.
As Edward Kelly says below, this is more about ASADA getting more funding in what is a tight budgetary environment.
Who knows waht the journos angle is, other than sensationalising everything as much as possible
March 7th 2013 @ 4:44pm
Damn Straight said | March 7th 2013 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
But daddy, don’t jurnawists always tell the truth?
March 7th 2013 @ 1:16pm
Entwhistle said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
How can the No 1 ticket holder be an objective journo and not criticise the club…
March 7th 2013 @ 5:58pm
Football_illiterate said | March 7th 2013 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
what does rothfield being a sharks fan have to do with an article written by prichard??
March 7th 2013 @ 9:41am
Edward Kelly said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:41am | Report comment
I think it has more to do with ASADA justifying its existence than any drug use in the NRL. They are fishing, hoping to get a bite, any bite. If they had anything solid they would have charged players.
And can you be charged for using something that isn’t illegal and the only evidence against you is what you tell ASADA?
Shame on the Daily Telegraph (and others) for blowing it up without any facts. They need to go to the AFL school of reporting.
March 7th 2013 @ 12:23pm
p.Tah said | March 7th 2013 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
“They are fishing, hoping to get a bite, any bite” perhaps that’s why they chose the sharks…
March 7th 2013 @ 12:27pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Oh dear…
March 7th 2013 @ 1:24pm
Morfs said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Because the above reasoning seems a bit flakey?
March 7th 2013 @ 1:36pm
PuntPal said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Chick boom!
March 7th 2013 @ 1:36pm
Reality said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
It all seems a bit fishy to me!
March 7th 2013 @ 1:40pm
Dean - Surry Hills said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Yep – The pep-tide has turned
March 7th 2013 @ 1:53pm
Chris Chard said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
I just want this whole thing to be fin-ished…
March 7th 2013 @ 1:58pm
Kasey said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Chris:
It will only be fin-ished when the Authorities have delivered the appropriate PUN-ishments.
March 7th 2013 @ 2:35pm
Damn Straight said | March 7th 2013 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
Oh stop it! You guys are too much! Maybe the sharks will “school” up and do some due some due diligence on what they are actually putting into their bodies in the future. If you put your faith in some cowboy sports scientist, it apparently has the potential to end badly. Isn’t that right Mr Dank.
March 7th 2013 @ 3:06pm
matt h said | March 7th 2013 @ 3:06pm | Report comment
This thread is Jaws dropping
March 7th 2013 @ 9:56am
Stu said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:56am | Report comment
“People who thought the drugs in the NRL story was a beat-up must surely be thinking differently now.”
Sorry Greg, we’re not thinking differently. Authorities don’t give players “offers” to stand down for 6 months. ASADA can’t even stand them down. They can make recommendations. Go them.
ASADA are just dismayed that no one wants to talk to them and they can’t make people talk to them. They’ve been bleeting ever since this mess came out that they need more powers etc etc etc etc.
When they produce actual evidence MAYBE I’ll believe it. Depends on the quality of the evidence.
March 8th 2013 @ 8:02am
Kasey said | March 8th 2013 @ 8:02am | Report comment
I thought one of my cycling friends described it best..don’t worry the NSW Premier has just explained that even if they did take illegal substaces, they didn’t mean to…well that clears it up then. Time to move on;) As long as the same standard is applied to the next doping story in the pro peleton.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:17am
Rob said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Doped to the max…and still rubbish.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:02am
Elmarie said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:02am | Report comment
We might be retracting these statements later but for now I absolutely agree. If they have all this ‘evidence’ why do they not come forward with it? The NRL and Australian sport in general is being put in a very bad light by all this. Is it political timing they are waiting for to come forward with the whole bag of bad apples or do they really have nothing and hope if they say the sky is falling something would drop out of the air? Like you say, if there is evidence, act. Don’t ‘encourage players’ to take a ban.
March 7th 2013 @ 9:26am
Whites said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:26am | Report comment
It’s only a flesh wound.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:51am
Dean - Surry Hills said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Some of them need to be marching up and down the square.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:27am
Australian Rules said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:27am | Report comment
“Playing the PIANO??!!!”
March 7th 2013 @ 9:31am
Jay said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:31am | Report comment
I might be ignorant on this topic, but if the so called substances consumed by the sharks players were not on the World Anti-Doping list of prohibited substances at the time of taking them, why is it a concern now?
The sports scientist could claim at the time they were taken that they were fine. Ie at that time, there was noting illegal about the substances, why should the rules apply retrospectively now?
March 7th 2013 @ 9:48am
itsuckstobeyou said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Paul Kent said on NRL 360 last night that the problem lies with players who continued taking the supplements in 2012, after they were banned.
March 7th 2013 @ 9:56am
Redb said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:56am | Report comment
I think the problem might be they continued taking them.
This is a massive wake up for all clubs to stay on top of the WADA list as it keeps changing. It maybe too late for Cronulla and Essendon though.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:19am
Matt F said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:19am | Report comment
They were initially legal but were then put on the banned list. The Sharks players allegedly continued to take them
March 7th 2013 @ 10:32am
Pete said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:32am | Report comment
If you have a look at the banned list of supplements from the 2011 WADA prohibited list (something that no one seems to bother doing), you will see a variety of specific substances named, particularly in the area named Growth Hormones and Peptides.
After this list of specific substances it says “other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).” are also banned. This is basically to stop people altering the banned substance enough to make it chemically different, but effectively the same. It allows suspensions to be created retroactively for substances that did not exist at the time, but are effectively the same as known substances when the code is written.
It also creates a grey area, because you are then left with the question, how do you reasonably define something that has a similar effect?
I encourage people to read these lists before they start commenting, because you will quickly realise that there is a very real possibility that ASADA are correct on this. It also points to the fact that this will end up in court rooms, with people arguing how similar or not similar certain substances were, and I suppose in the end, argument will decide those grey areas like it does in other aspects of the law.
That’s a bit boring, but probably the reality.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:44am
Matt F said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:44am | Report comment
I’m well aware of the grey area when it comes to Peptides. I was just repeating what I heard on TV yesterday about the issue
March 7th 2013 @ 10:49am
Pete said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Not having a go Matt, just a general post really, just seemed relevant for this section of the conversation.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:52am
Matt F said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:52am | Report comment
It’s all good. You did make a very good point about the complexity of the issue especially relating to the various Peptides
March 7th 2013 @ 11:17am
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:17am | Report comment
The other issue to consider if that in addition to types of substance being banned, types of administration of substances are also banned. So perfectly legitimate substances can get you done if they are administered in prohibited ways. I
March 7th 2013 @ 9:35am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:35am | Report comment
What a mess Sydney has got this game into, a complete shambles from woe to finish.
I have never seen a code run so backward or shambolic.
March 7th 2013 @ 9:44am
Big Time said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:44am | Report comment
WTF????? Government on a witch hunt, with seemingly no real evidence of wrongdoing at this stage, and the game is in a shambles!!!!
Game is in a better position now then what it has been in a long time. So many doomsdayers out there always looking for the worst in something.
March 7th 2013 @ 9:58am
Kasey said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:58am | Report comment
My vote for most shambolic administrators would go to Soccer Australia and the NSL, but then we don’t hear much of the NRL or its admin over in SA.
March 7th 2013 @ 1:36pm
Ian Whitchurch said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Kasey,
Nahh. For shambolic administration, you really cant go past the NSWRU and the QRU.
Take Port Adelaide. Remove the competence. Thats about where you are.
March 7th 2013 @ 1:48pm
Kasey said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Port now has Kotchie on the board, landed a new sponsor(Renault) If their fans spent less time perusing the Advertiser for perceived slights against them and spent more effort actually getting along to games, they wouldn’t be in as bad a shape as they are.
Just on that, how is it Port can be sponsored by Renault, Geelong by Ford when the AFL premiership season is sponsored by Toyota? Now that Coopers and UnleashSolar are gone, why not Holden sponsoring AUFC?
March 7th 2013 @ 1:53pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
Because of FFA’s dopey sponsorship contracts…
March 7th 2013 @ 11:31am
Peeeko said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:31am | Report comment
What has this got to do with Sydney or the way the code is run?
March 7th 2013 @ 1:22pm
nachos supreme said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
it’s got to do with too much QLD sun on the neck…
March 7th 2013 @ 1:42pm
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Well i have just finished reading that 3 cronulla players went around to the who they thought was the whistle blowers house like 3 thugs out of the Godfather. That is Sydney all over, my way or the highway.
Amazed they never took some tommy guns with them while riding a old t-ford dressed in penguin suites.
March 7th 2013 @ 1:54pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
Terrible look, going over to sort out the alleged whistle blower. If Elkin’s testimony changes and the Cronulla players pursue this through the court, watch for that incident to feature prominently.
March 7th 2013 @ 2:09pm
Ian said | March 7th 2013 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Wow if true. Talk about brain dead morons. I’d have thought interfering with witnesses would be a total red flag to ASADA, and a high level doping offence in itself – at life ban level not 2 years or 6 months.
March 8th 2013 @ 3:29am
AndyMack said | March 8th 2013 @ 3:29am | Report comment
once again, way off the mark. they went around to ask wtf??? he was in charge of dealing this stuff to the players, was trusted by the players. i would be knocking on his door askin what is going on as well. as would all of you im sure.
if it was a “godfather” situation, u think the media would know about it. give me a break… lets not let facts get in way here….
March 7th 2013 @ 9:14pm
Bluebag said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:14pm | Report comment
How is it the fault of Sydney? Or is it just the inferiority complex from another Qlder? Sydney is the birthplace of the game in this country and still it’s strongest citadel. Take a chillaxitive, bro.
March 7th 2013 @ 9:42am
Big Time said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:42am | Report comment
ASADA are purely looking for a scapegoat to try and substantiate their claims. The government is edgey because they beat their chest without anything to back it up.
What has been reported so far is these substances were not on the banned list back in 2011. If this is true, then I just don’t get it. It has also been reported no players tested positive to any performance enhancing drugs.
It seems to be ongoing, “you come forward and we won’t be so harsh”. When no one came forward at the beginning, why did they not go in and crack the whip then? I still think they have nothing.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:06am
Lou said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Well said BIG TIME I agree , the body that’s responsible for drugs in sport is giving leniency to those whom are willing to come forward now , that’s code for we believe that xyz has occurred but were not certain, if there were issues ASDA would act swiftly , they need to justify there existance but they can’t they don’t have evidence that could stand the scrutiny of a high level barrister or Qc , makes me mad that there chasing young sportsman over the use of a substance which at the time of the “alleged use” was legal , SMELLS LIKE A TYPICAL LABOUR STOOGE BS BALLS UP TO ME
March 7th 2013 @ 11:16am
Curious said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Totally agree Lou, that’s definitely the crux of the matter, purely political, cheers
March 7th 2013 @ 11:54am
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:54am | Report comment
“MELLS LIKE A TYPICAL LABOUR STOOGE BS BALLS UP TO ME”
Mate, the ALP’s whole strategy thinks west Sydney is the holy grail of politics, a veritable US southern strategy. How is going after the region’s sport of choice going to earn them votes? If the ALP had any say in this, they’d no doubt quash the story till after the elections.
March 7th 2013 @ 1:48pm
Lou said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Yep 100% , the alp is that low in the gutter that nothing surprises me at all ,,, wanna buy a coal mine I’ve the perfect block of land !!!!
March 8th 2013 @ 3:32am
AndyMack said | March 8th 2013 @ 3:32am | Report comment
louser……
March 7th 2013 @ 3:01pm
Maggie said | March 7th 2013 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
Graham Annesley, the NSW LIBERAL Minister for Sport, who has seen the classified ACC report described the issues involved as ‘serious and scary’. Your comments about this merely being a Labor witch hunt are off the mark.
March 7th 2013 @ 3:57pm
Lou said | March 7th 2013 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
Yeh well all I can say to you is Lundy ,Kate she and that side kick justic minister trying to earn and justify there salaries
March 7th 2013 @ 9:42am
Midfielder said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:42am | Report comment
oikee
Move over from the dark side …. the force will be with you … go and see a Brisbane Roar game …
BTW oikee did you see the RL prediction I made about you in the 2013 RL predictions… in case you missed it I said you would make a post where you praised Manly …
On a more serious note I wish there was some meat on the bones of what is suppose to have happened…
March 7th 2013 @ 9:58am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Dave Smith the new CEO already gave away how serious this issue is, he seen the report.
The newspapers have the name and number of the whistle blower. Asada are trying to allow the players to get off lightly by admitting wrong now, instead of having the whole thing dragged through the court systems.
Look, there are many clues pointing to something bad about to happen. They are clues given to the public.
Here is a few,
At the start or this investigation, it was said that the players who are inplicated know, and they will probably not play in games or be stood down for whatever reason, like profain a injury. Now, have a look at the players who are not playing, have injuries or just not around. This is a clue.
Sponsers, have a look at any clubs that sponsers are packing there bags or not resigning. Another clue.
Your number one ticket holder holidaying in America, and then telling everyone how much better other codes are, that is a clue.
Keeping a low profile with very little happening as in interveiws or being reported about, this means your keeping your head low.
All these are clues, and yes Middy, i seen your response. When i have something to praise Manly about, i will.
Let us not forget that this Danky dude was hired by them. And they all think he was a angel.
The whole thing stinks,.
The code has been run shambolic. The clubs, shambolic, the reporters have a easy target.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:38am
eagleJack said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:38am | Report comment
So Phil Rothfield attending the Super Bowl was a clue to drug taking at the Sharks?!
One of your best oiks!!
March 7th 2013 @ 11:09am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:09am | Report comment
I forgot to mention the bookies suspending all monies on the sharks game, oh and latest news, bookies suspending all monies on the Origin clashes now.
This is going to cause untold damage. I suppose your on Phil’s side and the sharkies Eaglejack? going down with the ship hey.
Wait till they do the Manly reveiw. hehe
March 7th 2013 @ 11:25am
eagleJack said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Im not on anyone’s side oiks.
If people have taken illegal substances, they should be banned for an extended period, irrespective of what club they played for.
But Phil going to the Super Bowl and then waxing lyrical about what an extravangaza it was, is hardly a “clue” that something was going on at the Sharks.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:34am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:34am | Report comment
I agree, but i am really annoyed by this guy. He is supposed to be a gun reporter, yet he has said hardly a word about any of this, yet he knew the Sharks were in Asada sites.
He is a dinosaur that the code was recently saying they need to move on. He has fed off the code now for way too long, always ready to report the bad about other clubs, but sweeping his own club issues under the carpet, then has the hide to tell us all how great the NFL and Wanderers are, no Phil, they are not great, your done nothing for your own code, your a pretender dinosaur and i called you out years ago.
The day his face is not in this paper is the day i will have a Champayne Picnic.
I will have another when weedler joins him.
March 7th 2013 @ 3:37pm
GCTiger said | March 7th 2013 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
I will buy you that bottle Oikee, and drive you to Red Hill to enjoy it.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:34am
Peeeko said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:34am | Report comment
I’m pretty sure that rothfield is not the number one ticket holder, he is the sports editor at the telegraph and going to an event for his employer like the Super Bowl is perfectly normal
March 7th 2013 @ 11:43am
Bazzio said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Anyone who works for Murdoch Press is instructed what to say & if or when to say it. Murdoch ‘journalists” are simplified censored parrots. The ‘best’ one’s get to lick the gravy drips off the boss’s serviette.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:52am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Here is what i just said on a reply to a sports site he posted.
Why would you care Phil, why dont you just go enjoy the wanderers or NFL. What have you done for this club lately except hide reports and always the last to find out.
Your a dinosaur, not long now.
Poor old Roy must be shaking in his boots, the code mentioned getting rid of the last few dinosaur reporters.
March 7th 2013 @ 3:08pm
Damn Straight said | March 7th 2013 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Very compelling viewing Baz. Really exposes the agendas and “journalism” of Rupert Murdoch and his fox networks.
March 7th 2013 @ 4:47pm
Bazzio said | March 7th 2013 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Thanks ~ saved it to eReader for later tonight
http://download.cnet.com/Free-YouTube-Downloader/3000-2071_4-75219434.html
March 7th 2013 @ 9:46am
Tony Archers Maroon Underwear said | March 7th 2013 @ 9:46am | Report comment
This is great news for Parramatta Fans…
Though in all seriousness, this has been been handled appallingly.
If there is evidence of wrong doing against players / clubs just come out and charge them, no one wants cheats in the game, otherwise shut up.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:08am
oikee said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:08am | Report comment
On a possitive note, Sky have reportedly signed the TV deal and that now takes the final NRL rights deal to 1.3 billion.
Well done, now clean the game up for good please, for crying out loud, my heart cant take much more of this amatuer behaviour.
And strip Sydney of a (just one will do) NRL final. They have proven they dont deserve to run this game.
Even the handling of Sonny Bill and his shonky comeback was done like a C-grade film.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:38am
peeeko said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:38am | Report comment
Again what has Sydney got to do with anything? The CEO is welsh and the chairman a queenslander
March 7th 2013 @ 10:09am
Rabbitz said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Wow some of you are really naive.
Yup, it’s a labor party diversion, ASADA is just justifying its existence, government is on a witch hunt. Someone pass me a roll of tinfoil – I need to make a new hat.
Do you seriously believe any of those? Seriously?
Do you not realise that the people running these investigations are smart people who think through the ramifications of each and every morsel of information the release or announce?
These organisations do not exist to satisfy your curiosity or to feed the media with information. These organisations have serious people looking into serious matters. The ACC has the powers of a judicial commission. ASADA has certain investigative powers, conferred on them by the players themselves – part of the playing conditions for these sports is granting ASADA & WADA certain rights.
I have a feeling that these 14 are the tip of the iceberg. It will take time for the investigations to get to a point where allegations are directly made and referral for charges or suspensions are made.
Don’t for one minute think that the ACC & ASADA are not serious.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:23am
Matt F said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Yep, the idea that this is all some big con has been dismissed by everybody who has seen the classified report
March 7th 2013 @ 10:48am
Australian Rules said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Exactly.
Fans and officials were frustrated (and then skeptical) about the lack of information when the story first broke.
However, the people who have actually seen the unclassified report ALL agree that it’s very very serious. This is much more than just hot air.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:25am
Big Time said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Wait and see hey.
No one is naive enough to believe there is not drugs involved in every sport. Has this issue been blown out of proportion? Without a doubt.
This question, why are AFL and League being targeted? Why not Body Building for instance? Simply doesn’t have the profile and won’t make headlines. Sorry big case of political chest beating.
You statement “Do you not realise that the people running these investigations are smart people who think through the ramifications of each and every morsel of information the release or announce?” means nothing. I am sorry, there are plenty of seemingly “smart” people who have come undone. “Smart” people in the government have put a lot of pressure on these organisations to make something happen. The players themselves are refusing to just accept the 6 months ban, after being advise by some “smart” people. Lets see who wins.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:54am
doozel said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:54am | Report comment
Body building a sport? Last time I read the sports pages or watch Fox I couldn’t see too many body building “events”.
There are going to be some large consequences coming for many players, as Rabbitz alluded to, anyone who has read the confidential report confirms there are some major issues.
Big Time you have no evidence that there is some kind of conspiracy, or that it has been blown out of proportion. Or do you have some type of high level access to confidential information that the rest of us don’t? Next you will be saying the Obama was born in Indonesia and fathered by Elvis who is still alive living at Kuta.
March 8th 2013 @ 8:38am
Big Time said | March 8th 2013 @ 8:38am | Report comment
There has been attempts to get Body Building into the Olympics and it has been defined as a sport. Maybe not a good example I do admit. There are plenty of other sports that could be targeted, but it is the high profile ones they have chosen. Worlds Strongest Man??? I stand by my belief this is political grandstanding at its best.
I am yet to see any evidence at all about anything. Has anyone?? At the moment I see everyone on here making summations as to what they believe, just as I am doing. At this stage that is all any of us can do. Just because you do not agree with me means f*ck all really DOOZEL! We are all experts aren’t we.
Very funny by the way, Obama born in Indo and fathered by a still living Elvis in Kuta. Brilliant. You are wasting your time on The Roar my friend. Oh how witty.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:23am
nachos supreme said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Body Building? the jury is out on whether or not it’s a sport but it’s also split into two factions from memory,
Natural….and not.
March 7th 2013 @ 12:24pm
Meesta Cool said | March 7th 2013 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Big tiime, we are voting ‘smart people’ into parliament to run our country, have tyou ever watched a broadcast from Parliament, they are behaving like children, just name calling and hair pulling…. time for smart people to realise that us dummies need them to do what we are paying them big money to do!.
Similar to Club administrators, they need to know what is happening in their clubs, if it is ‘shonky’ it needs to be stopped within days of it happening. Sorry, but too many people will close their eyes if the chance of winning comes with the ‘shonkiness’….
March 7th 2013 @ 2:04pm
The Barry said | March 7th 2013 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Why now ? Literally on the eve of the season kick off.
So to get this straight – the investigation has been going for a year…they had a press conference just before the RL launch. Then a month later all of a sudden there’s enough evidence to go after 14 players.
Did this evidence not exist a month ago ? After a 12 month investigation ?
Regardless of what evidence there is…you can’t help but feel this is being timed to get maximum exposure…
March 7th 2013 @ 2:09pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
Well, I’m not sure that the ASADA particularly cares whose season starts when and where. And if this had reached a point where Cronulla had contracted a QC, investigated the issues and wrote up confessions for players and suggested they sign, then I don’t think this has just sprung up out of nowhere.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:42am
BennO said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Finally…a sensible post here.
First everyone calls it a beat up – a political one beat up, there’s no evidence or they would have charged someone.
It gets to that stage and now everyone says it’s just ASADA trying to justify their position.
Unbelievable. It defies belief. I literally cannot believe it.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:55am
Dean - Surry Hills said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Yep – typically the first stage is DENIAL.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:21am
Bazzio said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:21am | Report comment
. . . . . . followed by rage . . . . .
March 7th 2013 @ 11:27am
Redb said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:27am | Report comment
yep.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:31am
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:31am | Report comment
And shrinkage…
March 7th 2013 @ 7:36pm
Damn Straight said | March 7th 2013 @ 7:36pm | Report comment
Followed by gynecomastia…known colloquially as man boobies.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:55am
The Greatest Game Of All said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:55am | Report comment
You remind me of a teachers pet, I hated teachers pets.
“Do you not realise that the people running these investigations are smart people who think through the ramifications of each and every morsel of information the release or announce?”
For some reason this made me think of the Raiders of the lost ark wharehouse scene, “we have top men working on it right now”. Ok we’ll take your word for it. Whatever.
Anyone that’s watched cop movies knows that this is a trap, “your friend’s already confessed so you should admit too, you’ll only get 6 months hard time, for the nations healing”.
But seriously if they have evidence, use it now, arrest someone, suspend someone, NOW.
March 7th 2013 @ 10:59am
Dean - Surry Hills said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:59am | Report comment
And your post reminds me of the movie Colours.
Baby bull says to papa bull – “Lets run down into that paddock and f#*k one of them cows”
Pappa bull says to baby bull – ” Lets walk down and f#*k them all”
March 7th 2013 @ 11:17am
The Greatest Game Of All said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Never seen it, but if you like cow f#*king movies, up to you, if thats how you were raised , I bet you’ve seen it more than once too.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:38am
Dean - Surry Hills said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:38am | Report comment
March 7th 2013 @ 11:39am
Dean - Surry Hills said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:39am | Report comment
I have now !
March 7th 2013 @ 4:42pm
Damn Straight said | March 7th 2013 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
BWAHAHAHA……HAHAHAHA….HAHAHAHA.
March 7th 2013 @ 3:23pm
planko said | March 7th 2013 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Joel said the same thing about Dogs ….
March 7th 2013 @ 11:31am
Simmo said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:31am | Report comment
If your insight into how police and other investigatory bodies work is based solely off movies, maybe you should just sit this one out.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:33am
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:33am | Report comment
You don’t mean to imply that forensics guys really aren’t Judge Dredd, Jury and Executioner types? Surely they didn’t lie to me about that!
March 7th 2013 @ 11:44am
Matt F said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:44am | Report comment
I imagine your average forensic guy would have similar acting ability to good old Sly Stallone…
March 7th 2013 @ 12:08pm
Kasey said | March 7th 2013 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
My particular favourite police movie/TV fallacy is the drug bust: slice open a bag of powder to dab a bit on the gums/tongue…yep that’s Coke..book em Danno!
As if a cop is going to
a. Take drugs in front of his/her team and confirm they know what ‘the good stuff’ is, and
b. contaminate evidence?
March 7th 2013 @ 12:19pm
Nathan of Perth said | March 7th 2013 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I’ve always suspected it ran like:
Cops find ten bricks of white powder.
Media reports finding 8 bricks of white powder.
Evidence lock up takes receipt of 6 bricks of white powder.
Forensics run tests on the 4 bricks of white powder.
Prosecutor shows the two bricks of white powder to the court and the perp is convicted.
The brick of white powder is destroyed.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:41am
The Greatest Game Of All said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Please, it was a joke, dont be so uptight.
March 7th 2013 @ 11:47am
Bazzio said | March 7th 2013 @ 11:47am | Report comment
. . . . . this joke is serious
March 7th 2013 @ 1:50pm
Mushi said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
Was the bit after “seriously” a joke? I hope so because it was laughable and made me think you’ve never been to developed country in your life
March 7th 2013 @ 10:39am
Pete said | March 7th 2013 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Also, for those people who seem to think that this is some fantastic political maneuver, you’re crazy.
Where are the votes in trashing two of Australia’s favourite pass-times in the NRL and AFL? Please? Because this doesn’t exactly seem like the kind of move that will win you an election, especially if you are in the shape the current gov is in. I don’t buy that for a second.
If you are the minister for Sport, for instance, which would you rather see in your portfolio, this report from the ACC, or a congratulatory note from FIFA saying you won the right to host the world cup?
Get a grip people.
March 7th 2013 @ 1:54pm
Mushi said | March 7th 2013 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
The other thing is it seems that according to the nrl fan’s brains trust both the libs and labor are spinning the same story and apparently don’t try to use whatever they can to tarnish the other side.