The ’84 Windies v ’06 Aussies

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    One of the great things about sport is the endless debates it provokes, especially when it lurches into the ludicrous terrain of the hypothetical. Fans love wasting endless hours arguing about fantasy contests.

    Predictably, last week I found myself procrastinating the work day – debating the all-important cricket hypothetical with my friend Brett Graham, whose ability to remember/analyse/argue is unparalleled out of my mates.

    Who was the better modern master – the ‘80s Windies or the 2000s Aussies? Who would win a one-off Test?

    Not surprisingly, a match-up of this magnitude spiralled into a prodigious breakdown.

    Lavalette: There have been two powerhouse sides in modern cricket – the West Indies, who didn’t lose a Test series between 1980-95, and Australia – twice the holders of 16 straight Test victories.

    I suppose first off, we need to find the very best side from each team. I pick the touring West Indian side who took on Australia in 1984-85.

    The side obliterated Australia in the opening three Tests, and in the process consigned poor ol’ Kim Hughes to tears and to resign as skipper, paving the way for the Border era.

    The Windies team in the first Test at the WACA featured the following names: Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Richie Richardson, Larry Gomes (very underrated), Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd (capt), Jeff Dujon, Malcolm Marshall, Michael Holding, Joel Garner and Courtney Walsh (in his first Test).

    That’s a fearsome team, with most of their batsmen at their peak minus an ageing Lloyd and a young Richardson. Marshall and Garner were at their apex, while Holding was still a gun, if slightly past his prime and Walsh was raw.

    Graham: Strangely enough I have some really clear recollections of the West Indian team to visit in 1984-85.

    In those days, not long after the end of World Series Cricket, they were frequent visitors to our shores and were fondly regarded but feared because of their ferocious pace bowling battery and batsmen capable of thrilling stroke play.

    Their touring team was filled with greats and crowd favourites like “Big Bird” Garner, Lloyd, Greenidge, Haynes, and of course my favourite two cricketers ever – Viv Richards and Michael Holding.

    There was no Andy Roberts or Colin Croft this time but there were a couple of pretty handy players replacing them on their first tours of Australia in Marshall and Walsh, who played his first Test in an illustrious career, in addition to Viv’s heir apparent in Richie Richardson.

    They arrived having earlier decimated a decent Australian line-up at home (albeit without Dennis Lillee, Rod Marsh and Greg Chappell) and a very good England team away earlier in the year and dished out more of the same on this tour terrorising our batsmen and thrashing the bowling (or in the case of Gomes slowly grinding them into the dust).

    Marshall in particular was a revelation and his 100 wickets at 19 were a major reason why the West Indies lost only one of 19 Tests in the calendar years of 1984 and 1985.

    There was Holding’s terrific bowling in the first Test, Viv’s double century in Melbourne which tore the heart out of the Aussies, Dujon’s amazing hundred, Marshall’s constant wicket taking ability, and the steadying influence of Gomes.

    Their sole defeat came at the SCG courtesy of the spin twins Holland and Bennett, who were more unlikely to destroy a superpower than Switzerland. This came as a huge shock as did the fact that Australia survived and indeed thrived by batting for over two days on the back of Wessels’ 173.

    You always expected this team to win and they pretty much always did, so for their winning record, their charisma and unbelievable talent there is no doubt in my mind they were the greatest West Indian line-up.

    Lavalette: I was born six months after that tour, so thanks for the breakdown!

    Glad we’re on the same page with the Calypso Kings! It’s probably strange to admit for an Aussie fan, but how I wish I witnessed the Windies in their pomp. YouTube cannot do justice to their dominance.

    Ok, when Australia dethroned the Windies in the Caribbean in ’95, it kick-started a 13-year reign as Test’s best.

    I select the Australian team of the ’01-02 summer as the best of the crop. During this period they obliterated a decent (albeit not strong) South African team in five straight Tests. The team – Justin Langer, Matt Hayden, Ricky Ponting, Mark Waugh, Steve Waugh (c), Damien Martyn, Adam Gilchrist, Shane Warne, Brett Lee, Jason Gillespie, and Glenn McGrath.

    Langer/Hayden/Martyn/Gilchrist were probably at their peak, while Ponting was just about to hit it, and the Waughs were just past it.

    The bowling attack was probably Australia’s finest, with the underrated Gillespie arguably the best quick in world cricket between ’01-04.

    Boy, do I miss those glory days!

    So, is this Australia’s version? Or has my bleary brain missed the bleeding obvious?

    Graham: My mind is a little more unsettled on the place of the Australian side of the summer of 2001/02 that took on the Proteas. This series came a little time after Australia had seen India stage the greatest ever comeback in the history of cricket to end their world record winning streak of 16, and also go on to take the series.

    Against a tidy South African team containing the likes of Alan Donald, Shaun Pollock and Jacques Kallis, they were ruthless and the opening pair of Hayden and Langer, combined with a resurgent Damien Martyn were irresistible.

    They buried their opponents under an avalanche of runs, and finished them off with the unerring length and accuracy of McGrath and the wizardry of Warne.

    In the two calendar years of 2001 and 2002 they played thrilling cricket and won 18 of the 25 Tests, however they did lose four.

    McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne are one of our best ever attacks, and the batting line-up stellar, however the Waugh brothers, Gillespie and Lee were all significantly below their career standards during these years.

    There can be no doubt that they were one of the great sides but I am going to mount a counter argument to it.

    Lavalette: Oh no. Looks like I have missed something obvious. I’ll brace myself!

    Graham: Australia went to England raging favourites to retain the Ashes against England in 2005 with a team lacking the Waugh brothers but having some able replacements in Mike Hussey and Michael Clarke.

    It was one of the great series with a resurgent England scoring a pulsating win against the odds.

    Australia’s response was emphatic, another run of 16 consecutive Test victories starting with five straight wins against a strong South African team, a training run against Bangladesh, and then, like an ageing prize-fighter trying to recapture a lost past, faced the Old Enemy at home looking for redemption.

    The careers of some giants of the game were nearing their end, with McGrath, Warne, Langer, Hayden and Martyn looking to go out on a high.

    Before the series, an England side quite similar to their all-conquering OBE heroes of 18 months before were well regarded and expected to provide stiff opposition.

    Yet from the farce of Harmison’s first ball and the blazing opening day assault from Langer and Ponting, Australia ruthlessly demolished them.

    What is often forgotten in the aftermath of a comprehensive 5-0 scoreline is that in two Tests England were in very competitive positions after the first innings.

    A magical spell from Warne gave Australia the chance, thrillingly taken, to secure victory in Adelaide after a huge England first innings, while in Perth hundreds from Hussey and Clarke with a devastating cameo from Gilchrist (a lazy hundred off 59 balls) saw Australia charge away after a low scoring couple of first innings.

    The series lives strongly in my mind for the sheer will to win Australia showed, the blistering pace of their scoring, some final wizardry from Warne and the majesty of Ponting, but most importantly as the almost final flame of one of the great eras in Australian cricket, marked by the retirements of some all-time greats.

    In my mind that made this side our greatest ever, perhaps only shaded by Bradman’s invincible.

    Lavalette: I find selecting my favourite Aussie team akin to a parent singling out one of their kids. It’s virtually impossible, and immediately pangs of guilt ensue.

    Probably my favourite ever Aussie team is Taylor’s ’95 team that conquered the Caribbean. I loved their heart and Tubby Taylor is the most astute modern captain.

    The team had that knockabout, larrikin persona, which was eventually eroded by the ruthless professionalism that was the hallmark of the Steve Waugh era.

    But that’s not what we’re debating. There’s no doubt Australia’s best team was in the 2000s, possessing a better all-round pace attack, and Warne was just as effective at the end of his illustrious career as the mid-’90s.

    But I’ll always believe their success was skewed slightly because Test cricket standards sunk worldwide in the early noughties.

    So I will kowtow to your wisdom, and agree that the 2006-07 team was at least the equal (or better) to the ’01-02 version. That Ashes redemption team boasted the underrated Stuart Clark, who was McGrath 2.0 that year.

    Ponting was at his absolute zenith, with a Test average of 60 at that point of his career.

    Most of the team was past their peak, but here’s where this team has an edge over their predecessors – it was in ‘Eff-You’ mode.

    After being humbled by England during the ’05 Ashes, the first Aussie team to lose the urn in 16 years, Australia was more vengeful than James Bond in Quantum of Solace.

    If it wasn’t for Jacques Rudolph’s stoic resistance at the WACA, Australia would have won 21 straight Tests between October 2005-January 2008! That is unfathomable.

    Australia was intent on not just reclaiming the Ashes but obliterating and humiliating England in the process. But, you’re right, the first three Tests were fairly tight and I still don’t know how Australia conjured up that miracle victory on the final day in Adelaide to effectively seal the series.

    This, in my opinion, just reinforces their greatness. This team was capable of conjuring miracles.

    So, we’ll go for the ’84-’85 Windies v Australia ’06-’07 for the hypothetical one-off Test for modern cricket supremacy.

    Graham: Both these two titans had great fire in the belly and would seek to crush you. Australia always had it in the 2000s but the Ashes defeat spurred them even further. For the Windies they had broader cultural and racial reasons as the tremendous documentary Fire in Babylon shows so well there would be no quarter given, as often happens when champions meet.

    There is no doubt in my mind we would see a result in this match given the supreme quality of the bowling line-ups, but what would it be?

    My gut tells me it would be the Windies getting the chocolates, probably early on day five, and certainly my memories say they would be irresistible.

    However I am probably doing the Aussies a bit of a disservice, so I also had a look at the stats for the two-year period around those series for both teams, and it brought them a little closer.

    The batting I think is pretty evenly matched with probably a slight edge to the Aussies.

    Certainly on a career view Australia is well ahead with four of their top seven (Hayden, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke) averaging over 50, whereas the Windies have only Richards.

    However, if you just look at that two-year period though, things become a lot closer. For Australia Hayden, Langer and Gilchrist were in decline while Punter and Huss were in their pomp and Clarkie was in the middle of his first renaissance.

    The Windies’ batsmen meanwhile were enjoying, with the exception of Viv and Clive (who, by the way, weren’t far off their best), a period of excellence well above their norm.

    The big imponderable for me is how Australia would have coped with a standard of pace bowling they would have been unlikely to have faced in their careers – in fact apart from Dale Steyn they would not have faced anyone of this quality.

    In the bowling I see a very clear advantage to the Windies both on a career level and during the two year period. The fact that a guy with 519 Test wickets at an average of 24 is their worst bowler says it all really.

    Lavalette: For the purposes of ensuring a fair contest, let’s imagine this Test played on the ideal cricket wicket – bit of juice first session, good batting conditions mid day one through until day three, final two days erratic bounce and some spin.

    Because we know a bouncy deck, ala the old WACA pitch, would produce a Windies victory, and a spinning deck would most likely result in an Australian win.

    Graham: I am imaging this game being played at the Gabba, a ground where Warnie enjoyed a lot of success, and one that offers good pace and carry without being ridiculous.

    Lavalette: Yep, good call! I think it’s fair to say the Gabba is the best cricket wicket in Australia.

    Now, trying to picture the battle. I think McGrath and Clark would really trouble the Windies top order with their metronomic bowling. In contrast, Lee would go for plenty, with his often erratic bowling being mercifully dispatched by Viv and Richardson – back foot masters. The Windies would no doubt go after Warnie.

    Wow, I know it is just fantasy but I am salivating over picturing the Sheik of Tweak bowling to the Master Blaster. I reckon spectators would be ducking their heads for cover from the brunt of Viv’s willow but eventually, as he so often did, Warnie would weave his magic and have the last laugh.

    But at what cost? Would Australia’s Achilles heel of not having a genuine all-rounder prove costly?

    Australia would no doubt cop a battering from the Windies’ mean machine. Hayden would not be able to stand so far out of his crease. Unless he was a kamikaze!

    But, one wonders if Australia did yield a big partnership – say a Ponting/Hussey biggie – if the Windies’ lack of spin options would ultimately backfire, like it rarely did during their dominance.

    I’ll let you indulge your fantasies. Over to you for the breakdown!

    Graham: My mind’s eye goes a bit retro for a moment as I picture the “Big Cat” and “Punter” walk out for the toss – I imagine Greigy out there with the keys and weather wall at the pitch inspection, I can still see the dog track around the ground…

    Anyway, snapping out of this reverie, Punter calls ‘heads’ and wins the toss and bats, a decision that I sense also pleases Clive no end. We will now have the tantalising prospect of watching the Windies fearsome pace quartet gain first use of the pitch, while Warnie will surely be a factor in the final innings of the match.

    Australian XI: Hayden, Langer, Ponting (c), Hussey, Clarke, Andrew Symonds, Gilchrist, Warne, Lee, Clark, McGrath

    West Indies XI: Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Gomes, Richards, Lloyd (c), Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Garner, Walsh

    On a first day wicket with a bit in it I can see them presenting a very stern examination for the Aussie batsmen. Garner with his bounce from a good length and tremendous accuracy, combined with Holding’s speed, swing and seam would be a handful early. Then you have Marshall who potentially steps up the threat again.

    Between them over the two-year period these three bowlers captured 248 wickets and the highest average among them was Garner’s 21 or so – none of the Aussies could match that in their own two-year period.

    Of the Aussie batsmen I can only really see Punter and Huss succeeding – well organised, in form and good back foot players, especially Punter with those imperious pull shots.

    In my mind Clarke has always been susceptible to extreme pace, and Gilly, Haydos and Langer were in decline. I could be persuaded that Gilly could play a dashing knock ala Perth but think it unlikely…on second thoughts stuff it.

    This is a fantasy game and it would be great to see Gilly get a few too.

    Symonds I don’t think could go with these guys for long but the tail would provide useful runs, especially Warnie and Lee.

    Australia probably gets 300 in the first innings.

    Greenidge and Haynes were in very good nick during these years and I think they would get away to a good start, taking advantage of Lee’s looseness initially.

    McGrath and Clark would be competitive and pose some challenges but I think Lee releases the pressure valve and they get away.

    The introduction of Warnie sees a change in the match, and although he and McGrath are past their best, they combine to slow the scoring and chip away with wickets, the flipper Warnie uses to get Richardson particularly conjures nostalgic memories.

    Viv and Clive combine to take the Windies to a good lead.

    People forget sometimes what a great player of spin Lloyd was and he has one of the great records in India.

    I see him really taking to Warnie who had lost a few tricks by then, and Viv would destroy Lee and adopt a more patient approach against McGrath and Clark.

    Windies I think get about 400 with Dujon stranded as the tail collapses to Clark and Warnie.

    I think you get a bit of a repeat in the second innings with Haydos also getting a few.

    I see the Windies needing about 250 in the fourth innings and getting them about seven down with Gomes the rock upon which the chase is based.

    In the end the deciding factor in the match is the bowling. The Windies have four bowlers who could legitimately be called greats, where Australia only had two, and I’ve always believed the old adage – bowlers win Tests.

    Lavalette: It’s obviously a subjective exercise we’ve found ourselves immersed in. I’m going to sound a bit pathetic, but I’ll have a dip both ways. I reckon the Windies were the better team.

    Their aura, intimidation and hostile pace attack makes them virtually unbeatable on a non-spinning deck.

    But, in a one-off Test, I’d back Australia. Purely because of one man – Shane Warne.

    That’s the biggest edge between the teams. Australia has indisputably the better spin option.

    Or maybe I regret my choice already…

    Graham: Like Doc in Back to the Future, I am speeding back to the present in the De Lorean, hoping not to have altered the past too much.

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    • April 13th 2013 @ 4:28am
      Johnno said | April 13th 2013 @ 4:28am | ! Report

      Man for man the West Indies 1984 side is better than the aussies 2006 side overall.

      Courtenay Walsh was not” young young”. He was 22 when he made his test debut. To get a start back then in the windies side, you had to be very good, plenty of good fast bowler’s in the 70’s and 80’s in west indies cricket didn’t get the opportunities they deserved, and would of played a lot more test cricket had they been in other teams eg Patrick patterson,, winston davis, winston benjamin.
      So Courtenay Walsh would of done the hard yards in the tough 1st class red-stripe comp, vs good batsmen , and bowl well to earn a start in the Windies team.

      So yes man for man the west indies are a better side. Shane Warne is awesome, and would rattle any team, but if the windies could negate warne , they are in the clear but that is the thing, if they can. The windies like any other team, were susceptible to good spin bowling eg Alan Border at SCG 1988/9 got 11 wickets in that match.

      But man for man the windies are better, overall.

      Matt Hayden is weak vs good fast bowling his statistics are truly awful. So not much help there.

      -Adam Gilchrist at times in big games vs good fast bowling hasn’t stepped up either, and a guy like Malcom Marshall, those inswingers, into Gilly’s pads would rattle him, as Gilchrist has been bowled many times, from guys swinging the ball into his pads eg Darren Gough, Flintoff,. Where as a guy like Dave Warner, rarely gets bowled or LBW, same with Mark Waugh or Damien Martyn, who is so strong of his pads.

      -Andrew Symonds at this level of bowling attack would be found out too.

      -For mine: Gilchrist, Warne, Mcgrath, and Ponting would get picked in the “84/85 West Indies WACA team”, but that is it.
      Im baseing that on Micheal Clarke 2006, is not the Micheal Clarke of 2013 where he would make the 1984/5 west indies side then.
      Maybe Hussey, but only maybe. But for the rest man for man the west indies are better. But as he always is Shane Warne is an X-factor on any pitch , like few cricketers have the potential to be.

      But still windies to win this match-up. The aussy team of 2006, would be too dependant on the great Shane Warne having a blinder, maybe not as dependant as the kiwis dependance on sir richard Hadlee , but still very dependant this team on Warney.

      • April 13th 2013 @ 11:37am
        James said | April 13th 2013 @ 11:37am | ! Report

        mcgrath in but whos place does he take? and as good as clarke has been in the last year it has not been against even good bowling attacks. i think we seriously underestimate how insanely good that windie bowling attack was, so good in fact that their batting is overlooked! how can a batting lineup that damn good be overlooked haha

        • April 13th 2013 @ 12:12pm
          Johnno said | April 13th 2013 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          only maybe Garner, but Joel Garner was so big had such high bounce, blending in with Marshall and Holding, and Walsh, very hard to leave Joel Garner out, Mgrath may have better stats but Joel Garner was so good at his best.

          I agree James we easily forget how good they were, they were awesome in there prime.
          However in the bigger picture pace wise, gigs like Jeff thompson, Dennis Lillee, Alan Donald, shaun tait, brett lee Shoaib Akther, Harmison, Flintoff could call either get in the high 140’s or in the early 150’s , just as quick.

          But they all carried so much intimidation, and were lethal as a pack.

          But a guy like Richard Hadllee is still as good as they come, could make any team just about in the last 40 years.

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      April 13th 2013 @ 6:12am
      sheek said | April 13th 2013 @ 6:12am | ! Report

      Enjoyable read Tristan.

      On the face of it, the Aussies batting six is superior to the Windies batting six, but the Windies bowling four is superior to the Aussies bowling four.

      However, the Aussies enjoy two wildcards that might just give them the edge – Gilchrist & Warne.

      As good a keeper-batsman that Dujon was, Gilly is superior in each department. The Windies don’t have anyone like Warne to provide variety & extract advantage from the spin in the pitch.

      A one-off can go any which way, depending on the pitch & the toss. I would suggest that over a three or five test series, the Aussies would triumph by the odd test.

      But it would be damn close!

      • April 13th 2013 @ 6:31am
        Johnno said | April 13th 2013 @ 6:31am | ! Report

        Sheek, Viv richards was a useful spin bowler same standard as Alan Border, both just useful like Kevin Peterson or carl hooper all just useful part timers, viv got over 100 wickets in ODI crick but really is just a part timer.
        All of these guys are no, no Stuart Mcgill or the great Shane Warne. Viv Richards in his prime vs Shane Warne would of been interesting I never knew how Viv went against world class spin bowling , eg like Abdul Qadir and some of the Indian spinner’s, all before my time.

        • April 13th 2013 @ 9:30am
          Pradeep said | April 13th 2013 @ 9:30am | ! Report

          We would win, we had best spinner, best keeper and a guy by the name of Pinter

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            April 13th 2013 @ 9:38am
            Atawhai Drive said | April 13th 2013 @ 9:38am | ! Report

            Ah yes, Harold Pinter.

            Author of the immortal poem:

            “I saw Len Hutton in his prime,

            Another time, another time.”

            • April 13th 2013 @ 11:29am
              Chui said | April 13th 2013 @ 11:29am | ! Report

              Thanks AD,

              My screen now has coffee on it 🙂

              My nomination for post of the week – at least

          • April 13th 2013 @ 9:44am
            Johnno said | April 13th 2013 @ 9:44am | ! Report

            Adam Gilchrist is overrated. Against world class fast bowling in big game situations Gilly has been exposed.

            ASHES 2005 as an example
            Gilly, is average at best on the leg side, hates balls coming back into him. A guy like Mark Waugh, Ravi Shastri, Damien Martyn, David Gower, David Boon, and Micheal Bevan, all much better of there pads, and on the leg side.

            Malcom Marshall in English condtions, or at the GABBA , and courtney Walsh angling back into the left handers, both would have a field day on Gilly , LBW, and bowls all the time.

    • April 13th 2013 @ 6:49am
      Sailosi said | April 13th 2013 @ 6:49am | ! Report

      Really close. For mine the Windies just get it. I think their 3rd and 4th bowlers shade Australia’s.

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    • April 13th 2013 @ 8:05am
      Atawhai Drive said | April 13th 2013 @ 8:05am | ! Report

      For mine, probably the Windies.

      But one point not raised here, unless I’ve missed it:

      The 1984-85 West Indies played under the bouncer law of the time, i.e. there was no limit on bouncers. The law wasn’t changed until 1991. Holding, Marshall, Garner, Walsh et al thus perfected what Sydney journalist Jeff Wells called ‘combat cricket’. Hyperbolic, but he had a point. Batsmen were sometimes getting only one or two balls an over they could even consider playing a stroke to.

      As I recall, there was no real prohibition of slow over rates either. Twelve overs an hour was commonplace when the West Indies took the field. I well recall sitting in the front row of the MA Noble Stand at the SCG in January 1985 as Courtney Walsh trudged towards us, ever so slowly, to the top of his mark, wryly encouraging the crowd to continue its slow handclap.

      Four fast bowlers in the team, plus occasional spin from Viv Richards, meant fatigue was rarely a factor.

      So, in our hypothetical Test, which set of laws would apply?

      • April 13th 2013 @ 8:59am
        Sailosi said | April 13th 2013 @ 8:59am | ! Report

        The over rate is an interesting point.

        • April 13th 2013 @ 11:41am
          James said | April 13th 2013 @ 11:41am | ! Report

          i think australia would ask the windies which rules they wanted. that windies bowling attack in a good mood is scary but that windies bowling attack pissed off that you made them follow some rules they didnt like would be down right terrifying. also tell the aussies to be very very careful who they smack talk to, none of the fast bowlers and def not viv

          • April 13th 2013 @ 11:56am
            Atawhai Drive said | April 13th 2013 @ 11:56am | ! Report

            James, I was trying to remember which West Indies quick got really fired up when Dean Jones complained about his wrist bands.

            Don’t think it was Ambrose. Maybe Patrick Patterson, during the 1988-89 series?

            • April 13th 2013 @ 12:40pm
              formeropenside said | April 13th 2013 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

              it was Ambrose.

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                April 13th 2013 @ 3:15pm
                JGK said | April 13th 2013 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

                And it was in 92/3. It was the turning point of the season. It’s small wonder Deano didn’t play tests after that.

              • April 13th 2013 @ 4:24pm
                Johnno said | April 13th 2013 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

                Deano had already been dropped for a young Damien Martyn which was very controversial at the time.

              • April 14th 2013 @ 12:44pm
                Disco said | April 14th 2013 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

                In a one-dayer.

    • April 13th 2013 @ 9:54am
      Johnno said | April 13th 2013 @ 9:54am | ! Report

      On a side not I could Jack this squad game, even more check these teams out 1970-2012

      West Indies

      Greenidge
      Haynes
      Brian Lara
      Richie Richardson
      Viv RIchards captain
      Chanderpaul
      Jeff Dujon (Wicket-Keeper)
      Malcom Marshall
      Cutrley Ambrose
      Micheal Holding
      Joel Garner

      Australia

      Micheal Slater
      Greg Chappell
      Ricky Ponting
      Alan Border
      Micheal Clarke
      Steve Waugh
      Adam Gilchrist (Wicket-Keeper)
      Shane Warne
      Dennis Lillee
      Jeff Thompson
      Bruce Reid
      12th Man Glen Mgrath(A fit Bruce Reid his left armer’s a perfect balance)

      New Zealand

      Glen Turner
      Nathan Astle
      Andrew Jones
      Martin Crowe
      Steve Fleming
      Chris Cairns
      Brendon Mcullum(Wicket-Keeper)
      Richard Hadlee
      Daniel Vettori
      Shane Bond
      Ewan Chatfield

      • April 13th 2013 @ 2:22pm
        nickyc said | April 13th 2013 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

        I like your NZ side. My only change would be Richard Collinge for Ewan Chatfield. Quicker, better bowling record, better bat, a lefty to add more variety and most importantly a 70’s moustache to almost rival Max Walker.

      • April 13th 2013 @ 7:45pm
        nickyc said | April 13th 2013 @ 7:45pm | ! Report

        I’d also make 2-3 changes to your 1970-2012 WI side with Sobers, Gibbs and maybe Lloyd coming in for Richardson, Holding/Garner and probably Chanderpaul.

        Sobers – as good, some would argue better batsman than Richards or Lara. Plus his multi-dimensional bowling skills.

        Gibbs – a class off-spinner and the first slow bowler to take 300 test wkts. A fixture in the WI side until he retired in his 40’s.

        Lloyd – outstanding batsman and fine player of spin who could dominate attacks from no.6. Brilliant fielder and a captain who moulded the great WI team.

        • April 14th 2013 @ 9:52am
          twodogs said | April 14th 2013 @ 9:52am | ! Report

          yeah nick, forgot about hadlee. that’s probably because nz kicked our butts back then and dean jones was hadlees bunny. trouble is, there was something about him that we aussies didnt warm to. cant put my finger on it, but a started with ‘W’ 🙂

    • April 13th 2013 @ 12:02pm
      nudge said | April 13th 2013 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

      no G.Mcgrath come off it he would nearly get a game before Lillee. Worst case scenario he is 2nd quick picked

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