Where to from here for Collingwood?

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    Where has it all gone wrong for Collingwood? After Round 14 last year they had put together a nine-game winning streak, and were a game clear on top of the ladder with 11 wins from their 13 matches.

    Since that point in time, they’ve got a winning record of exactly 50 percent – ten wins and ten losses.

    Partly, this has been due to a favourable fixture in the middle stages of 2012, followed by a tough run home, finals, and a searching draw to start this season.

    The Pies were the dominant home and away side of 2010 and 2011, with one flag and a losing grand final to show for it.

    The premiership side of 2010 had an average age of 24 and average games played of 101, the lowest in both facets since Adelaide in 1997-98.

    Only three players from that flag-winning outfit are no longer on the list, none of them better than solid AFL players – Sharrod Wellingham (traded to West Coast), Chris Dawes (traded to Melbourne) and Leigh Brown (retired).

    This was a group that should have been building a Geelong-style dynasty, yet they’ve gone backwards every year from 2010, and are on track to do so again.

    There has been a lot of talk about the differing gameplans of Mick Malthouse and Nathan Buckley, boundary versus corridor, the press, etc, but if truth be told, this area of the game is vastly overrated in the assessment of most media commentators.

    Intensity is the number one non-negotiable of all successful teams. It is the foundation upon which all else is built. Without it, any gameplan becomes irrelevant.

    Sydney, with maybe one or two exceptions a year, delivers it on a consistent basis, but Collingwood under Nathan Buckley does not.

    The intent and ability to apply pressure without the ball is a trademark of Ross Lyon sides. St Kilda in 2009-10 were the best I’ve ever seen at it, and Fremantle is the current benchmark, though they currently have trouble doing it for four quarters.

    The Magpies under Mick Malthouse and his famous press were exceptional in this regard, but under Nathan Buckley they are not.

    Gut running also has nothing to do with gameplan, and feeds off intensity. Pushing back to help defenders out, pushing wide to create an option, pushing up to create space behind for a teammate to run into, and pushing forward to apply pressure.

    Doing these may not add a stat next to your name or increase your value on the open market come trade or free agency time. Most of the time it will go unrewarded.

    But this sort of running is a key ingredient of a successful team. It’s also the first thing to break down when a side drops off intensity, and it was a glaring absence for the Magpies on Friday night against Sydney.

    Steele Sidebottom does it week in, week out, and is a leader in this regard, but I’m not sure how many teammates are prepared to dig as deep as he does. Dane Swan was famous for it, but has been nowhere near his best this season.

    The other element that sometimes gets lost in all the empty talk about gamplans is the simplest one – players.

    Collingwood has always prided themselves on their depth. Malthouse was renowned for blooding young players on the big stage, and allowing them to keep their place in the team if they earned it.

    He was always mindful of having up to 30 players ready to play at AFL level come finals time.

    The Pies depth has been tested this year, and most of the replacements have performed well at different stages, but with inexperience comes inconsistency.

    Jamie Elliot, Sam Dwyer, Paul Seedsman, Josh Thomas and Ben Sinclair have all had their moments. Elliot and Dwyer in particular have had some marquee games, but also matches where they’ve had no impact whatsoever.

    On Friday night, missing from the Pies’ best 22 were arguably three of their best half dozen players – Dayne Beams, Dale Thomas and Heath Shaw.

    Add to this Tyson Goldsack and Alan Toovey, two role players who provide important versatility and toughness.

    Throw in one of their hardest outside runners in Ben Johnson, plus Clinton Young who will also be filling that role, and any side would be struggling to cover the losses of these experienced, hardened AFL players.

    Nick Maxwell and Luke Ball have also missed significant football, although both are back now. They provide hardness, smarts and outstanding on-field leadership, another aspect that’s been missing over the course of the season.

    All of this would be bad enough, but some of Collingwood’s senior players are also down on their best form, which has been a flow-on effect of the missing top end talent and lacklustre intensity.

    As stated previously, Swan has struggled, and his hunger has to be questioned. He’s achieved it all in football, and has always appeared a character that doesn’t live for the game.

    I love him as a bloke, and think his perspective is fantastic – the all-encompassing nature of AFL football has gotten too serious for him, and I can see him retiring before his time. I won’t begrudge him.

    With the lack of depth through the midfield this year, Scott Pendlebury has found life tougher than in the previous few seasons.

    In my mind he’s the second-best midfielder in the AFL, and we all know he oozes class. His third quarter against the tide on Friday night was magnificent, while most teammates had turned it up.

    Prior to 2013, Pendlebury had 30 or more disposals in 22 of his previous 31 games, but this year, he’s only reached that mark twice in nine matches.

    While getting the ball less, he’s also been under a lot more pressure when in possession. He’s still been the most impactful Magpie, but it’s a tough load to bear with a much lesser support cast.

    Darren Jolly can still be an important player, and uses guile and experience like few before him, but in his worst moments he’s looked old and slow, unable to jump above ankle height.

    Although three years older, Ben Hudson is a worthy, robust alternative, and Jolly shouldn’t think his spot is completely safe.

    Quentin Lynch has lost momentum after a hot start to the year, and has inexplicably struggled playing as a pure forward since Jarrod Witts has come into the side.

    Lynch has always mixed his form, but can do some fine work between the arcs as a lead-up target when on song. Witts isn’t ready for senior football yet, adding precious little from stints in the ruck, and even less up forward.

    The problem the Pies have is if they don’t go in with a third tall option up forward, they become too reliant on Travis Cloke inside 50.

    The best sides have quality key defenders, and a back six or seven that work well together to allow a third man up, and the Pies haven’t been able to counter this consistently.

    Cloke is still the most powerful key forward in the competition, and if not the best in that role has only one or two ahead of him.

    His work ethic was on display against Sydney, and he was one of the few Pies who should have walked off with his head held high.

    When the Pies have their best side on the park, they have the skill and experience to remain a top four quality side and premiership contender.

    When they don’t, their intensity must be at 100 percent as it was in their victory over Geelong in Round 8, or they’re exposed as being in the second or third tier.

    Nathan Buckley must find a way to get the best out of whatever side he puts on the field week after week, or his men simply won’t cut it in September.

    Simply put, Collingwood can still win the premiership. But they need their best side to do it, and they need to find the mental discipline to ensure their intensity is befitting the quality team they are.

    Cameron Rose
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    Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for there's nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.

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    • May 27th 2013 @ 4:25am
      Johnno said | May 27th 2013 @ 4:25am | ! Report

      Maybe a change of leadership at the top. Sack Eddie Mcguire. He acts like at times like he runs Melbourne, but most people in Melbourne can not stand Eddie Mcguire, and get annoyed at the influence he wields. He is not a natural leader for me, very overrated, and leader’s need to be liked, something Eddie Mcguire is not liked. Who do you think is more popular, who would more men in Australia like to sit down and have lunch with. The delightful and charismatic Jennifer Hawkins, Mick Malthouse, Malcom Blight , or Eddie Mcguire. The first 3 any day of the week.

      Eddie Mcguire I find him annoying on his Melbourne breakfast show, he was annoying on the footy show too, and he was so annoying when he did the soccer footy show from Germany World Cup 2006. He ruined that footy show for mine.
      He is not liked by most other AFL fans, and the wider Melbourne population. Most Melbournian;s would agree with me Eddie Mcguire they don’t like.
      I think Eddie Mcguire has been there for too long at Collingwood. He also makes no apologies for doing commentating, and being a Club President, and he says he ignores the conflict of interest statesment’s , by saying get over it.

      So the sooner Eddie Mcguire quits or is sacked as Collingwood President the better, So would Pies fans. A nice change of leadership, and less ego. Most Melbournians and AFL fans, can not stand Eddie Mcguire.
      Collingwodd need a see change, a fresh change, call it what you want, but Eddie Mcguire is a big problem, and his holding Collingwood back. Collingwood fans, don’t even like Eddie Mcguire. And if people like Sam Newman, like you that is not saying much . He is more disliked in AFL circles than Eddie Mcguire even. Both have been on the footy show in there time, and Sam Newman still is.

      But Eddie should resign, and let Collingwood start fresh and build a new era. And Collingwood still would of won a premiership with out Eddie Mcguire I reckon too. Sydney didn’t lap Eddie Mcguire , and he was sent packing back to Melbourne fast, he didn’t last long in Sydney, and got no media attention or respect, or hype.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 4:58am
        Yank Paul said | May 27th 2013 @ 4:58am | ! Report

        Exactly how does firing Edddie improve the performance on the oval? Get past your hatred of Eddie. Like him or not, his leadership is why Collingwood went from nearly bankrupt perpetual losers to wealthy winners. Deal with it, as we say, here in America.

        • May 27th 2013 @ 5:09am
          Johnno said | May 27th 2013 @ 5:09am | ! Report

          Fresh ideas, new ideas. Any person who is in a job along time becomes stale. And you move on, and bring in new leadership. Mick Malthouse was stale at Collingwood towards the end, but they go to a new club and bring fresh ideas as Malthouse has done. Succesion plans, regeneration plans etc. And who knows some one else could of turned Collingwodd around , plenty of AFL people and footy people with more, sports administration experience than Eddie. Eddie Mcguire didn’t have the most successful stint as CEO of channel 9, when he moved up to Sydney to manage channel 9. All the breakfast shows went though a lot of problems under Eddie, and other programming decisions too.

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            May 27th 2013 @ 8:46am
            Cameron Rose said | May 27th 2013 @ 8:46am | ! Report

            An interesting tirade Johnno, and while some of your perspectives are legitimate as a concept, I’m not sure they’re particularly relevant to the on-field Collingwood situation.

            On a separate note, I thought Eddie McGuire’s leadership on the racism row over the weekend was first class. It could easily be said that any opposition president would have done the same, but his was still a masterful performance.

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              May 27th 2013 @ 9:45am
              Redb said | May 27th 2013 @ 9:45am | ! Report

              Completely agree. McGuire has been brilliant.

              • May 27th 2013 @ 10:24am
                The Great Poohdini said | May 27th 2013 @ 10:24am | ! Report

                This initial comment has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read. I am a Collingwood Member & I can safely say that their is no Collingwood member out there that would agree with sacking Ed. If anything more AFL clubs need an Eddie McGuire. Has been brilliant for the club.

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                May 27th 2013 @ 11:16am
                langou said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                It may be the dumbest thing you have read, but as a massive Johnno fan, I can tell you it wouldn’t make his top 10 dumbest comments.

              • May 27th 2013 @ 2:02pm
                Australian Rules said | May 27th 2013 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

                Yes it’s very tame in comparison to the usual fare.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 12:15pm
              Franko said | May 27th 2013 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

              Eddie had done a good job – until today.
              Should have shut his mouth rather than this ‘She didn’t know what she was saying” “She didn’t know it was indig round”.
              Nearly Eddy, nearly.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 3:18pm
              BigAl said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:18pm | ! Report

              I also am also keen admirer – basically because he gets up so early !!!!

            • May 29th 2013 @ 9:28pm
              Jacques of Lilydale said | May 29th 2013 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

              All undone now Cam, Eddie’s latest faux pas is breathtaking in its stupidity.

              Anyway, he’s never going to go quietly once past his use by date, not like Jeff Kennett at Hawthorn who put in a succession plan whereby the Presidency is moved on seamlessly after 2 terms. McGuire is rusted on as the pies president and woe betide anyone attempting to prise him off his born to rule throne.
              It might be sooner than he thinks but it will be UGLY when it happens

      • May 27th 2013 @ 9:38am
        Christo the Daddyo said | May 27th 2013 @ 9:38am | ! Report

        Settle down Johnno – while I’m no fan of McGuire, his presence has virtually nothing to do with Collingwood’s on-field problems. Stick to the point of the article please.

        And you say that anyone who’s been in a job a long time gets stale – tell that to Kevin Sheedy at Essendon, or Swans Chairman Richard Colless.

        • May 27th 2013 @ 11:32am
          Johnno said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:32am | ! Report

          Eddie does have to take a blame for some of Collingwood’s, on field position. Like in rugby with Robbie Deans, he has at times been let down by average administration. The results on the field have a lot to do with the administration. From recruitment which they often have say on, to strategies of the direction of the club, and club culture etc.
          Melbourne Demons have been let down for years by hopeless management. And look at there results.

          • May 27th 2013 @ 2:04pm
            Shmick said | May 27th 2013 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

            Mr Malthouse, you aren’t fooling any of us with that fake name.

          • May 27th 2013 @ 3:23pm
            Swampy said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

            johnno, Eddie is actually pretty well liked in the AFL fraternity – it is the Sydneysiders that tend to be more dismissive of him.

            Most fans here appreciate his passion for the AFL – we have a fair bit of a laugh at his expense when he tries his hand at things outside of footy or when the Pies are struggling but overall we know the game would be poorer if there weren’t characters like Eddie involved.

            I honestly can’t see how sacking Eddie would have any effect on the Pies on field performance.

            He is elected to his position by the members anyway so it’s not like he can be sacked technically.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 11:34am
        D.Large said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:34am | ! Report

        Classic Johnno. Im still not sure if he is a porody account.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 11:23pm
        Rob said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:23pm | ! Report

        Hey Johnno,
        I think the pies made a $6 million profit last year & carlton lost $600,000,gee eddie must be doing a bad job?
        Who have carlton beaten this year? Mebourne ,Brisbane,Pt Adelaide, West Coast & Adelaide?
        Pt Adelaide beat West Coast & Adelaide.
        West Coast missing 8 to 10 of their best players & kicking 7.24 & Adelaide had won 1 game when they played carlton?
        If carlton had collingwoods draw this year i’m sure u would have zero wins!

      • May 28th 2013 @ 12:02am
        Nathan said | May 28th 2013 @ 12:02am | ! Report

        Irrespective of any personal beef with Eddie McGuire he’s a fantastic President and his brilliant management of the club steered them out of dangerous waters and effectively delivered them a premiership just 3 seasons ago. Not to mention the good PR he brings.
        He’s Collingwood through and through and that’s just fine – stuffy Presidents like Newbold or Nisbett from WCE don’t cut it – McGuire is interesting, passionate, a little self-absorbed but a great guy in the end. Replacing him would be a backwards step.
        I’m a Western Bulldogs supporter who is very happy with our President Peter Gordon, but it doesn’t matter whether or not they are liked, particularly by supporters of other clubs/codes. The quality of the job they do is what matters, and you can’t argue on what Eddie has produced.

    • May 27th 2013 @ 7:09am
      Brendan said | May 27th 2013 @ 7:09am | ! Report

      There big men Cloke aside, are not that good and they have too many small players on the field.They really miss Beams and Thomas who are over six foot and give them on ball strength.I thought they would win the flag this year but there a long way off it at the moment.

      • Columnist

        May 27th 2013 @ 8:52am
        Cameron Rose said | May 27th 2013 @ 8:52am | ! Report

        You’re right Brendan, all good points. They were my tip for the flag too, and they’re still capable on their day, but they need to toughen up and get their best players back in order to win three or four finals.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 2:16pm
        Macca said | May 27th 2013 @ 2:16pm | ! Report

        Brendan – They have had some quite average players in the side for a few yers that their structures, work rate and tlanet of the others have been able to paper over now they have been exposed.

        O’Brien was exposed defensively last year and has been forced up to a wing, Maxwell is being exposed defensively this year (and also last year) and teams are really making sure they use his opponent, with Toovey missing (and to a lesser extent Keefe) they just can’t hold sides to a score under 100.

        In the midfield the absence of Beams, Thomas & Wellingham has (as you pointed out) crippled the engine room and allowed oppositions to tag Pendlebury & Sidebottom in the knowledge that if they keep Swan out of the forward 50 he won’t hurt you too much without the runners.

        And up forward again I agree, and even Cloke is up and down

        • May 27th 2013 @ 2:54pm
          Brendan said | May 27th 2013 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

          Macca Collingwood form in 2010 and up until the finals in 2011 was as good as i have seen from any side in a similar time- frame.I thought at the start of the season Collingwood was a big chance for the flag but i think im wrong.Your correct some of there lesser lights are being shown up but i find it astonishing the number of players under six foot they select regularly.Dawes and Leroy Brown had there best seasons in 2010 and i don’t think the magpies have found replacements for them.They might follow a similar pattern to your Blueboys where they get a roll on against the lesser sides but there not the team i thought they were.

          • May 27th 2013 @ 3:02pm
            Macca said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

            The difference between Collingwood & the blues this year is their losing margins, Carlton have lost their 4 games by an average of less than 2 goals, the Pies losing margin is over 7 goals.

            It will be interesting to see how the blues go against Essendon, Hawthorn, Sydney & Collingwood in the next few weeks and how their forward line will function once they get Waite, Betts, Yarran & Garlett in the same side.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 3:13pm
              Brendan said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

              That is true Macca when Collingwood get beaten they lose by a lot.Are you still pining for Ratten or do you think Malthouse is taking them places? I think Malthouse is getting his team selections pretty right and can see Carlton as a tough match up in the finals if they get there.

              • May 27th 2013 @ 3:26pm
                Macca said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:26pm | ! Report

                Brendan – I still think the natural improvement the list had plus a better run with injury would of seen the blues in a not dissimilar position regardless of the change of coach – (possibly even a little better as they might of pinched 1 of the first three narrow losses if they weren’t adapting to a new plan) but I am happy with Malthouse (could be the love the one you’re with mentality). I did fear he would bring the terrible to watch boundary chipping approach he had at Collingwood but that has failed to materialise.

                I think the St Kilda game was the only real case of terrible selection when they went with the three ruckmen which was tried and failed under Ratten and that blunder was accentuated when Yarran & Ellard wnet down and Murphy got hobbled a little.

                I think they will get better as the season goes but there is real competition for spots, Cachia, Bell & Curnow are playing pretty solid football and Lucas has really stepped up this year but Carrazzo, Yarran & Betts will all come in so someone has to go out.

                They still have to osrt out the best Ruck/Forward combo but they do have plenty of options, Casboult has been playing good footy in the 2’s, Kreuzer has been getting plenty of shots on goal just can’t kick them, Hampson had 68 hit outs in the 2’s last time out, Mitchell & Laidler aren’t too far off and Warnock has been pretty solid as the number 1 ruck from what I have seen. Plus Rowe looked handy at times when he was playing and could be handy with Waite taking the better defender.

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      May 27th 2013 @ 7:14am
      Greg Parker said | May 27th 2013 @ 7:14am | ! Report

      I didn’t even read the aricle. No offense intended, but writing articles like this every second week when Collingwood lose is tiresome. The week before last, it was a similar article. Last week after Geelong match, it was all praise and premiership chance. Now back to this negative article. Honestly, you could come up with better topics – like “how many weetbix is Travis Cloke having for breakfast”.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 8:43am
        Hawker said | May 27th 2013 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        yeah I agree, they have a straight forward draw over the next few weeks and move back up the ladder

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          May 27th 2013 @ 8:50am
          Cameron Rose said | May 27th 2013 @ 8:50am | ! Report

          Hawker,

          You’re right, the Pies will win their next three games, and move back up the ladder. But we don’t judge Collingwood on how they perform against Brisbane, Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs, we hold them to a higher standard.

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        May 27th 2013 @ 8:48am
        Cameron Rose said | May 27th 2013 @ 8:48am | ! Report

        A disappointing attitude Greg, it seems to me you’re playing the victim. If you’ll read it, I don’t think you’ll find its overly negative, merely pinpointing areas of improvement.

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          May 27th 2013 @ 10:28am
          Greg Parker said | May 27th 2013 @ 10:28am | ! Report

          Hi Cameron, as I said, the same article that appears every time collingwood loses, just with your own spin on it. I’m not saying that people shouldn’t write about Collingwood, but to add yet another “what are the pies to do” article each second week is tiresome. Each loss has been against opponents in hot form – Hawks, Bombers, Dockers, Swans, and unlike the teams above them on the ladder, the pies are yet to face an opposition that should not be considered a finals contender, that comes in the next few weeks.

          Add to that the key players out injured – not as an excuse, merely a statement – forcing youth into the team that are not quite ready for 4 quarters of senior level pressure (getting closer, but not quite there yet), the season will be up and down. I don’t think there’s any easy answer for the pies, other than time – time for youth to get used to the speed and pressure of senior level football, and time for injured players to come back into the side.

          One thing Buckley has to do – is decide on a ruckman, and only have the one in the team. Lynch is not playing well enough as a forward to just be a forward, he needs to be the second ruckman to keep his place in the squad. Personally, my preference would be Watts, as he can and will only get better over time, but we seem to like to stick with Jolly who I feel regularly has the wrong attitude, and does not seem to target Collingwood players enough when he wins tap-outs.

          We may still have a lot of our 2010 list, but you are only counting players that played in the replay grand final. Leon Davis was a huge loss for us, as like Toovey & Goldsack (both out injured), he was one of our best at closing down the small forwards, and generating run out of the backline. Other players of note that helped achieve the success in 2010 are the late John McCarthy as well as Paul Medhurst, Shane O’Bree, Josh Fraser, Cameron Wood, Jack Anthony, Alan Didac & Ben Johnson (both currently reserves). Whilst some of them we are probably better off having removed from the club, others were great contributers throughout the season and finals.

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            May 27th 2013 @ 11:35am
            Ash Lemson said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:35am | ! Report

            Swans weren’t exactly in hot form, they had a loss and a draw in the last 2 weeks.

        • May 27th 2013 @ 10:29am
          The Great Poohdini said | May 27th 2013 @ 10:29am | ! Report

          I agree with Cam here. The article is well warranted. Collingwood have lost 4 games to teams that are contending for top 4 spots. It’s not the fact that they lost but how they lost in all 4 games. It does show that Collingwood is starting to slide.

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            May 27th 2013 @ 11:03am
            Greg Parker said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:03am | ! Report

            So where are the Tigers articles? They have not won against top sides – the pies have. Why compare against the Tigers? With the amount of youth running around in black and white, they are more an up & coming side than a downward sliding team, which categorises them the same as the Tiger IMHO. Too many people are always so happy to be judgemental without even considering the facts, to get the output the pies have from the young players to me is fantastic, the only issue is they need to get it more consistantly and for 4 quarters a match.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 11:20am
              Matt F said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:20am | ! Report

              Collingwood won the flag in 2010, made the GF in 2011, made the prelim last year and went into this season as one of the favourites to win the competition. Richmond haven’t made the finals in over a decade and making the finals was seen as a good achievement for them this season. Clearly more is expected of Collingwood, both internally and externally.

              If Collingwood have really fallen back into the same category as Richmond right now i.e. a potential finalist and no more, then I would have thought the reasons for the Collingwood articles are very, very obvious

            • May 27th 2013 @ 11:38am
              D.Large said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:38am | ! Report

              Greg,

              The only opinions I don’t rate in football are from those defending their own team. Welcome to the list.

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              May 27th 2013 @ 1:05pm
              Cameron Rose said | May 27th 2013 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

              Greg – I don’t control who you read, when or why. Nor do I particularly worry about what others have written or when.

              I wrote about the Tigers after their loss to Collingwood, and this is my first crack at the Pies this year because of the significant nature of the loss.

              In your comments above in reply to me earlier, you’ve highlighted a lot of areas that are in my article. It seems that you agree with me on the whole, but have taken a set against all form of media because you’re too emotional after a bad loss.

    • May 27th 2013 @ 8:58am
      Kasey said | May 27th 2013 @ 8:58am | ! Report

      It’s amazing that every news article is twice as big as the rest and every game has twice as many supporters than any other when it comes to Collingwood! Just goes to show how many buck toothed bogans there are in Melbourne. this is precisely what frustrates most non Collingwood footy fans; all the attention Collingwood gets.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 9:36am
        BigAl said | May 27th 2013 @ 9:36am | ! Report

        Another gem from our chip crushed friend !

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        May 27th 2013 @ 9:41am
        Richard said | May 27th 2013 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        Obvious jealousy on your part matey. Your obsessing over Collingwood is raising your blood pressure and distorting your perspective. And now your engaging in vilification. Shame on you.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 10:26am
        Brendan said | May 27th 2013 @ 10:26am | ! Report

        Kasey Collingwood are the biggest club in the game.The support they recieve is phenomenal arguably per- capita as large as any team anywhere in the world.Your judgement of them is disgraceful , defamatory and immature and just for the record i support Geelong .

        • May 27th 2013 @ 10:56am
          Franko said | May 27th 2013 @ 10:56am | ! Report

          Understand your point Brendan but no way is Collingwood the best supported team in the world per capita. Barcelona take around 25% of support in Spain and have over 170,000 members, I think Real Madrid is even higher. Teams like Benfica, Celtic and Ajax are giants in their own leagues. Collingwood has many rivals that aren’t too far off the pace.
          That is not to say Barcelona are ‘better’, having such disproportional support is in fact probably harmful overall.

          When Collingwood has their own newspaper and tv channel with training being televised we will know we have reached saturation and I’m sure Eddy is doing everything he can to get them there *shudder*

          • May 27th 2013 @ 12:33pm
            Jimbo said | May 27th 2013 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

            If Melbourne had only one team like Barcelona does, i imagine they would have a bigger membership.

            • May 27th 2013 @ 1:17pm
              Franko said | May 27th 2013 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

              Well aside from the fact Barca are not the only team in Barcelona (Espanyol), I was noting they take 25% of Spanish support, not one city, an entire country. Madrid, a city with 5 teams still manages to draw 33% of the entire Spanish population, clearly that number is much much higher in Madrid.
              If you add up all the AFL memberships you get about 800,000 members across the 18 clubs (note, this doesn’t include MCC, SANFL, AFL members who also support footy). Collingwood have about 80,000 members nationwide. That’s under 10% of AFL members.
              Any way you look at it, there is no way Collingwood is the best supported team in the world per capita. Don’t get me wrong, that is a good thing!!!!

              • May 27th 2013 @ 3:02pm
                Brendan said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

                Franko Spain has 47 million people so if Barcelona has 170/000 members that is comparable to Collingwoods 80, 000 members out of a population of 23 million.(also remember the biggest city in the country isn’t an Afl stronghold).I think it is amazing that a suburban team out of one city has such support .

              • May 27th 2013 @ 3:57pm
                Franko said | May 27th 2013 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

                Well not exactly comparable Brendan, it costs $200+ to be a member of Barcelona, and this does not get you a ticket to a match (there is a waiting list for season tickets). They also restricted membership in 2010 to relatives of current members as it was expanding too rapidly. In order to be a member, you must also be a person.
                In contrast to Collingwoods $42 pet membership, which despite what I thought I saw on Friday night, does not mean you can take animals to the MCG.

                Again, Collingwoods support in Australia is fantastic, they should be very happy. But on a world scale they are not.

              • May 27th 2013 @ 4:29pm
                Jimbo said | May 27th 2013 @ 4:29pm | ! Report

                Considering the population of Collingwood is 6, 467, pretty sure with a membership base of around 80,000, that is something of a world record.

                Pretty sure WCE with a membership of 45,000 and a waiting list of 12,000, and every member on the waiting list whose name comes up is entitled to 4 memberships, and BTW they all take the offer up, which in reality is a waiting list of 48,000, is somewhere up there as well.

                That is of course the ones who could be bothered paying for the priveledge to wait

              • May 27th 2013 @ 11:36pm
                Michael said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:36pm | ! Report

                Celtic FC is an easier comparison to make. In 2010/11, they had the 12th highest average home attendance in Europe (its stadium seats around 60,000), according to Wikipedia. Glasgow has a metro population of about 2.8 million and Scotland has a population of about 5.2 million.

                In 2003, they were estimated to have a global support base of around nine million.

      • May 27th 2013 @ 10:29am
        Australian Rules said | May 27th 2013 @ 10:29am | ! Report

        Kasey, you shout: “anyone with half a brain doesn’t care ”

        Then why do *you* care so much?

      • May 27th 2013 @ 11:25am
        Gezza said | May 27th 2013 @ 11:25am | ! Report

        So the proposition is…anyone with half a brain don’t support the preferred team of druggies and crims! Collingwood

        You might want to reassess the logic of your proposition because you imply here Collingwood supporters have more brains than all other supporters

        For that alone I thank you

        buck toothed bogans… A little strong – don’t you think? You might reassess that too.

        Most keyboards have a delete button – FYI!

      • May 27th 2013 @ 2:38pm
        c said | May 27th 2013 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

        why was my and redb quality posts deleted ?

      • May 29th 2013 @ 10:51am
        Nathan of Perth said | May 29th 2013 @ 10:51am | ! Report

        Kasey throws a hand grenade then heads for cover 🙂

    • May 27th 2013 @ 9:34am
      Chairman Kaga said | May 27th 2013 @ 9:34am | ! Report

      Sack Eddie would be a beginning. The appointment of Buckley has been a backward step.

      In short, a premiership window has been wasted.

    • May 27th 2013 @ 9:43am
      The Mountain said | May 27th 2013 @ 9:43am | ! Report

      Sack Eddy…….

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