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    As a Reds supporter, I am disappointed at the loss to the Western Force on Thursday evening.

    Equally I must admire the tremendous amount of heart that the Force bought to the game. The hot and sweaty Perth evening and a referee veering towards the fussy side with a lot of calls didn’t make for pretty rugby, but the Force adapted to the conditions while the Reds did not.

    The men from the west’s forwards had a huge night, smashing the Reds at the breakdown, ruining the Reds’ lineout with defensive jumpers, and the reserve props taught their less experienced Reds counterparts a lesson at scrum time.

    The Force backs, you wouldn’t have mentioned them a year ago, but they combined with the pack to pressure the more highly rated Reds backline with smothering rushing defence, kicked wonderfully for field position and had the finishers to turn the pressure into tries. Man of the match winger Chance Peni in particular jumped from obscurity into the national rugby spotlight, doing his chances of a Wallabies call up this year no harm at all, scoring a try.

    The Reds showed what a dangerous attacking side they can be in the first half of the match, putting Eto Nabuli over the try line three times for a rare Super Rugby hat trick.

    However a lot of opportunities were lost due to handling errors in the slippery conditions. We saw a bit of effective kicking from Quade Cooper and Duncan Paia’aua, with the Reds mixing it up with short kicking to counter the rushing defence and longer shots for field position.

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    Cooper certainly has a boot with the power and knows how to find space, but it didn’t feature quite enough given the circumstances and in any case, he was duelling with the only other current Wallaby with a matching or better kicking game, Dane Haylett-Petty.

    The Reds’ game plan reminded me a bit of the Wallabies loss to England in the second Test last year, where the Wallabies failed to adapt to rainy conditions in Melbourne and unsuccessfully tried to play ball-in-hand rugby.

    It was another lesson for running rugby obsessed Australian coaches, players and fans that in this game you must be prepared to adjust and kick when the weather gods decide to make life difficult, so we may as well all learn to enjoy the kicking game. In the second half the Reds appeared to run out of steam. Perhaps as hot favourites they didn’t take the Force seriously enough, irrespective it was a hard lesson and I am glad that they learned it early in the season.

    But night is the Force’s and it is important to remember that they achieved their win while suffering two big injuries in Adam Coleman and Jono Lance, hopefully both of which will not keep the players out of the game too long. I personally believe that they now have the backline cattle and coaching smarts to back up their forward pack, that would have put the Reds under threat even had the conditions been more suited to running rugby.

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    I was also incredibly impressed with the passion of the Sea of Blue, the Force fans who made so much noise in supporting their team. To me it exemplified why the current talk about winding up the Force in WA and plonking it in Western Sydney or even closing the franchise entirely, is entirely wrong headed and completely miserable.

    Call me a relic of the amateur era but I don’t believe that rugby in Australia is supposed to just be about some theoretical advantages for the national team from having Wallabies in the same teams.

    Nor is it about chasing theoretical commercial opportunities in the already congested football market in Western Sydney. It is most definitely not about serving up the abolition of a fellow Australian franchise to SANZAR as a quick fix for their abominable Super Rugby draw, when the current shambles has everything to do with offshore greed and politics and nothing to do with rugby in Western Australia.

    Rugby in this country should be about making sure that as many fans of the game as possible have an elite team to follow in their city outside of Test season, a team for rugby playing kids in each city to aspire to.

    This Queenslander thinks that we should all be fighting tooth and nail in SANZAR to ensure that Western Australians get to keep the Force and to paraphrase a certain Western Australian, I think that anybody who believes that we should throw the Force under the bus for our own selfish reasons is an un-Australian bum.

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    • March 3rd 2017 @ 4:13am
      Rebellion said | March 3rd 2017 @ 4:13am | ! Report

      I disagree.

      The Force have been an utter failure since inception over 10 years ago. They fire up to knock over a couple of Aussie sides but are pretty much a door mat for all except the poorest 1-2 sides from Sth Africa and NZ.
      The upside is Dane Haylet Petty and Adam Coleman were given chances not to mention the exciting new winger however there are just not enough of these players consistently being produced to justify leaving the life support machine on

      Thanks for the memories WA.

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 7:16am
        Cynical Play said | March 3rd 2017 @ 7:16am | ! Report

        Well they just convincingly beat a Reds outfit stacked full of Wallabies and touted to win the Oz SR franchise. So where does that leave you fanboy?

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 8:07am
          Rebellion said | March 3rd 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

          In line with my comment actually.
          As much as it stings, you can’t argue that one upset win can make up for never once qualifying for the finals in over 10 years. Enlightening enough ??

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:50am
            Marty said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

            Just another sore loser.

            • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:52am
              riddler said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:52am | ! Report

              we just lost.. i am confused as to how you can call out the force on this rebellion?

            • March 3rd 2017 @ 5:02pm
              kunming tiger said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:02pm | ! Report

              I agree, with teams like the Force to beat where would the Reds be, nearer the bottom of the ladder than the top. On last night’s peforance I rest my case. The Red s have been around for twenty years with one title . The Force are performing close to their actual ability can you say the same thing about the Reds? When the win they gloat about how good they are when the lose they want you kicked out of the comp, The reds have an atricious record aganist the Force yet still argue they deserve to be axed.

              • March 3rd 2017 @ 10:23pm
                Rebellion said | March 3rd 2017 @ 10:23pm | ! Report

                The Reds may have a poor record against the Force but you can’t argue that they are the ugly sister of Australian rugby. Apart from a couple of Southern African migrants who learnt their craft across the Indian Ocean it’s difficult to name a player who came through the WA school system (which counts more than a maternity ward) and into super rugby (Welborn, Longbottom ??) and the code is next to non-existent in an AFL-mad state.
                The down-side is it drains talent from QLD and NSW, drains money from the ARU and even worse, seems to negate any home advantage when hosting touring Springbok test sides as a token gesture to a stillborn market.

                The experiment was bold but unfortunatley for Perth, the mining boom didn’t last forever and neither will this franchise. Congrats for beating the Reds a few times but the code is broke and the weak needs to be sacrificed

              • March 4th 2017 @ 12:06am
                Bakkies said | March 4th 2017 @ 12:06am | ! Report

                Nonsense. The Force had 7 locally developed players in their squad for the Reds match

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 10:13am
          Maroon Kev said | March 3rd 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

          “Convincingly”

          If we are going to lose to any team I’m glad it was the Force but come on buddy!! A 7 point win on the back of a hopeless ref aint convincing!!!

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 1:49pm
            The Sheriff said | March 3rd 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

            Hopeless comment rather than hopeless ref.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 11:24am
          OTARA BOY said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

          It wasn’t convincingly Bro..Frisby handed that game to the Force on a platter.. The reds had numerous chances with 20 to go to win it..7 point winners on your home deck is not convincingly winning a game. The reds getting a bonus point is convincingly bro…

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            March 3rd 2017 @ 11:40am
            piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

            Ifs and buts

            We left 10 odd points out there as well from missed kicks and another 5 from a dropped ball in front of the line.

            None of it matters

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 3:24pm
          markie362 said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

          Well said

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:28am
        In Brief said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

        The Force have been an unqualified success. You can’t judge a team on its win loss record. A better way of assessing success is to look at the development pathways they have developed, the local grassroots competitions they have supported, the number of players they have developed, the number of players they have given opportunities to, and the number of supporters they have brought to the game. The Force have passed these true grades with flying colours. The wins will come with time.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:41am
          Harry said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

          I really do wish the Force the best and yes there has been some development in WA rugby, but no way can you say its an unqualified success. The lack of support from the ARU is one major reason.

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 3:19pm
            Kevin Malone said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

            typical, blame the ARU/ always the cop out of someone who has no idea.

            • March 6th 2017 @ 7:14pm
              ScottD said | March 6th 2017 @ 7:14pm | ! Report

              actually Kev Malone, if you compare the way the Force and the Rebels were treated when they were established it does raise some questions. It’s all in the past now of course as they are both on a basically level playing field but when they started the Rebels got a shed load of concessions but the Force got almost none.

              The ARU has a bit to answer for in the first 6 years of the Force’s life.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 3:19pm
          Kevin Malone said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

          gee, you would consider the titanic a success. they almost got there
          how much time do you want? a century?

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            March 3rd 2017 @ 3:24pm
            piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

            Time for what?

          • March 5th 2017 @ 11:20pm
            Gigs20 said | March 5th 2017 @ 11:20pm | ! Report

            The reads won a super rugby title in 2011, when did they start.

            Shouldn’t that be the benchmark?

            Given the shambolic state of some of the Reds teams in super 14 I wouldn’t recommend you use win/loss ratio as the benchmark.

        • April 6th 2017 @ 11:10am
          Hertryk said | April 6th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

          Not to mention little or no support from the ARU!! Look at what the rebels have been given compared to our boys from the WEST!!

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:47am
        Ian said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report

        Just like the Reds

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 11:22am
        Triple B said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

        Come on Rebellion
        With that ’10 year no success’ logic, history says your cricket team should have been axed more than 6 times
        The Force have a serious diehard fan base and if they are axed League will jump at the chance to close the gap in WA.

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        March 3rd 2017 @ 1:02pm
        pformagg said | March 3rd 2017 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

        IF you look at the history of the Force, and the issues it had with firepower and manmagment, then you can see why it has been 9 years of failure. But 2017 looks to be a new era for the Force, with a stonger management and a better systems than before. Its early days, but the Force look to be compeditive, and should win more games than they lose this year, which I think it a good goal. Supporters and crtics need to give the new coach at least 2 years.

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 11:34pm
        andrew said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:34pm | ! Report

        Spiro is that you?

    • March 3rd 2017 @ 4:15am
      Hello Everybody. said | March 3rd 2017 @ 4:15am | ! Report

      Yes well done Force.

      But geeez that game was ordinary.
      Not what Aus needs at all.

      Great if you are a Force fan though. Well done to the Force, Id love it if they topped the conference.

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        March 3rd 2017 @ 11:29am
        piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:29am | ! Report

        It was tough to see on the telly but the conditions were absolutely abominable and it seemed to make ball handling hell.

        It looked like a regular clear day, maybe a bit muggy, but it was just so incredibly damp it must have been like playing in a downpour.

        It was a really strange day, there was even a mist hanging over the field for most of the second half, which I’ve never seen this time of year in Perth.

    • March 3rd 2017 @ 4:48am
      AndyS said | March 3rd 2017 @ 4:48am | ! Report

      Can’t say I understand the title of the article….

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 10:07am
        Blackfish said | March 3rd 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        Distraction from the real issue….

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 4:24pm
        AndyS said | March 3rd 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

        Ah, see it has been updated.

    • March 3rd 2017 @ 5:18am
      mania said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:18am | ! Report

      I must admit that I’m one of those calling for force (rebels and kings ) to be culled.
      i haven’t seen the game as I don’t have time to waste watching aus derby’s but after this article I would happily change my tune provided force showed some fight, passion and dignity. if force keep up this performance then I may jump on their bandwagon.
      but that’s a big IF
      force have been around for 12 years and have a lot of memories to overwrite with anything more positive.
      part of me agrees with Rebellions post but also another wants the under dog to succeed.

      good luck force. your playing for the right to stay in super rugby this season. hope that’s enough incentive.

      reds suk. I really believed that this was a turning point for reds this season, but despite kHunt, quade and higgers this environment still seems to be toxic.

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 8:12am
        Rhys Bosley said | March 3rd 2017 @ 8:12am | ! Report

        Still, in the 12 years prior to their 2015 title the Highlanders had not positioned above 6th and had not made the finals in the 8 years prior to 2014. And aside from a couple of good years the Blues have been pretty ordinary for two decades. Why don’t people every talk about culling them?

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          March 3rd 2017 @ 9:28am
          Dave_S said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

          Agree, a lack of titles doesnt mean they dont contribute in other ways or cant eventually suceed . See for eg Cronulla Sharks and Nth Qld Cowboys

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:29am
          In Brief said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:29am | ! Report

          Great point, win loss record is irrelevant to a team’s worth in the competition.

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 3:20pm
            Kevin Malone said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

            every single sports administrator would disagree with you

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              March 3rd 2017 @ 3:25pm
              piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:25pm | ! Report

              No, they wouldn’t

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:50am
          mania said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

          Rhys – sure blues and highlanders have been bad at some stage but equally they’ve been awesome in other seasons. the difference with the rebels, force and kings is they’ve always sukd and don’t ever look like being almost there. blues in the last 4-5 years have shown glimpses of being a good team.

          the issue here isn’t NZ teams. no ones complaining about watching NZ teams or derbies .

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 10:30am
            Rhys Bosley said | March 3rd 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

            Before Joseph the Highlanders were bad for longer than the Force had existed, by your logic they should have been cut. The Blues have had good patches but mainly they have sucked as much as the Force and Rebels have, incidentally both of those teams have also shown glimpses .

            Of course cutting the Highlanders that would have mean’t they never would have won that title, which demonstrates one reason why we shouldn’t give up on teams that are not winning. The other reason is that their fans deserve a team to support.

            • March 3rd 2017 @ 12:15pm
              mania said | March 3rd 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

              no rhys. this has nothing to do with nz teams. no one has suggested culling any NZ teams. so all this surmising about how bad they are vs the rebels and force is pointless.
              its the rebels and force that have their necks on the block . u can kick and scream all you want about it not being fair but that’s the lay of the land. if any teams are gonna get culled it wont be an NZ team.

              I think it comes down to entertainment . sure blues have sukd the last few years but they’ve been competitive and entertaining. force and rebels not so much and unfortunately have also been part of the abysmal aus derbies

              good luck force and rebels, but this could be the final run for you. and tbh it wont be that big a loss to superRugby

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                March 3rd 2017 @ 1:44pm
                piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

                but that’s just it

                If you did suggest NZ cull a team you’d be met with howling outrage from every corner of the country.

                Suggest an Aussie one go and you start deciding who to feed to the wolves.

                you’re making the wrong argument.

              • March 3rd 2017 @ 2:30pm
                Perthstayer said | March 3rd 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

                Stand down Piru – we’re “playing for the right to stay in super rugby this season”.

                Dunno why so many people show up and I dunno how the heck the game has grown so much at grass roots level over here.

                We should fall on our sword and let everyone get on with arguing why there are 4 franchises when 3 would make the Wallabies better.

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                March 3rd 2017 @ 2:41pm
                piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

                Maybe one franchise is the answer, they could call it The Wallabies and select the best players from around the entire country.

              • March 5th 2017 @ 11:25pm
                Gigs20 said | March 5th 2017 @ 11:25pm | ! Report

                You’re thinking of the waratahs, and it doesn’t work!

              • March 3rd 2017 @ 2:44pm
                Rhys Bosley said | March 3rd 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

                You entirely miss the point. I was not suggesting that the Kiwi teams be culled, I was pointing out that the fact that the Blues and Highlanders were carted through extended periods of poor onfirld performance is a reason why that is not a particularly relevant decision criteria for culling.

                I think that if any culling were to occur the Sunwolves, Jaguars and Kings should go. The first two add nothing but but of novelty value to the competition and dramatically increase the travel demands on teams. I reckon their inclusion will get old pretty quickly. The Kings don’t even offer novelty value. Canning an established team with a committed fan base for that rubbish would be a disgrace and would most likely ultimately detract from the experience of Kiwi viewers.

                I also wonder whether in your transparent attempt to have a dig at Australian rugby, that you have considered all the Kiwis and South Africans living in Victoria and Western Australia? If there aren’t Super Rugby teams in those cities then no South African or Kiwi living there gets to have their home team visit. Canning those teams would probably affect immigrant communities more than it would affect Aussies.

                In the rush to have a go at Australia Kiwis might cut off their noses to spite their faces.

              • March 3rd 2017 @ 3:33pm
                markie362 said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

                Mania ur missing the point.rhys is comparing how long the force have been bad to how long otago were bad.hes saying that given time the force mayimprove like otago did.noones culling kiwi teams.calm down man

              • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:45pm
                Boomeranga said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:45pm | ! Report

                I feel I need to come clean Mania. I feel like I need to admit I never, ever, ever bother to watch NZ derbies, and haven’t for years. I have no interest in your teams. None, and I live next door. I have access to lots of high quality sport from home. Rugby isn’t the only thing I watch. I also think it stupid that a competition struggling for commercial worth has teams in places like Dunedin and Hamilton.

              • March 3rd 2017 @ 10:38pm
                in brief said | March 3rd 2017 @ 10:38pm | ! Report

                I actually find the Rebels and Force entertaining. The Force are just hard as nails. I like that, it’s different to the other Australian teams. They won the NRC and I believe have around 8 local players in the squad. The Rebels, although disappointing, manage to play some very attractive rugby on occasions. Typically defence has let them down. So two very different teams with styles that definitely add to Australian rugby.

              • March 4th 2017 @ 12:09am
                Bakkies said | March 4th 2017 @ 12:09am | ! Report

                Fans in the past were calling for the Highlanders or Chiefs to be axed

              • March 5th 2017 @ 12:06pm
                Blindsid3 said | March 5th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                12 homegrown players in the Force squad, and 7 in Thursday’s 22.

                I can’t believe the arrogance of Waratahs and Reds supporters. Why are your kids more deserving of “grassroots” funding than my 5yo who has just signed up for his first season with Wests-Scarborough? Why are they more deserving of a team to aspire to play for and barrack for than mine?

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 5:18pm
          kunming tiger said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

          Because Kiwis seen the bigger picture , that the whole is made up of the sum of its parts. Culling those franchises weakens the whole structure, each franchise makes a contribution to the national program.

          In OZ some follwers of Rugby believe the national interest is best served by concentrating Rugby in its strongholds , a player base that draws from a handful of clubs and players are retained inside that catchment area. They see players plying their trade in the other two franchises as a players drain, weakenung their own traditional franchises performances. They are more concerned about NSW/QLD rivalary than the national interest and would happily return to the days the wallabies were a NSW/OLD entity. The Rebels and Force may only provide a handful of players to the Wallabies but a handful is enough every year to strenghten the program. The performance of the Force and Rebels in the Super U/20s is evidence that the junior pathways there are widening the player base that Super sides can draw on. These guys operate under the illusion that two premier club comps that provide sufficient quality players to keep Australia at or near the top in international Rugby. Removing the two Super franchises would only benefit the premier Rugby clubs in NSW/QLD , moving them up the food chain and reinforcing their claims to be an important cog in the development pathway. It doesn’t serve the national interest it serve their self interest/ The supporters of these clubs see themselves as bigger than the game itself.

          • March 6th 2017 @ 7:20pm
            ScottD said | March 6th 2017 @ 7:20pm | ! Report

            Totally agree mate. Those calling for a cull of any “non QLD/NSW teams” are putting their local interests ahead on the nation. As far as I am concerned they are just a distraction and are best ignored.

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 1:39pm
        Jameswm said | March 3rd 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

        You don’t have time to waste watching Aussie derbies, but you do have time to waste commenting on them, right?

        And yet – the fact that you haven’t watched the game doesn’t stop you offering us your opinion on it.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 2:46pm
          Rhys Bosley said | March 3rd 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

          Exactly, mania is just here to have a dig and has probably been given more attention than he deserves.

    • March 3rd 2017 @ 5:25am
      Stephen C said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:25am | ! Report

      The headline hints at something, but never delves into its own narrative. I think that’s called ‘click bait’ or something like that. I’m not on Facebook, so I can’t be sure.
      I am a diehard Reds’ fan and was appalled by their performance tonight, but credit where credit is due. The Force manned up, but hey need to do more than that against an Aussie team when their existence is on the line, to maintain relevance.
      I suspect they will still be in the bottom third of the table, while I genuinely expect the Reds to bounce back against the Crusaders and finish in the top third of the table.

      I am dumbfounded by the line out losses tonight, and hope that it is an anomaly.

      The ref was ok, but I truly believe the yellow card was harsh. How do you put your arms around someone when he jumps over you? The Reds seem to get a tough run with these calls.
      And why does the ref seem to check every Reds try, when the opposition tries seem to be awarded immediately. This is becoming a habit, or am I just too blinded by passion to notice. Nabuli’s first try was never in doubt. The double check was embarrassing.

      Nick Stiles needs to drop Frisby, Douglas and Moore for their poor performances and see what the other blokes bring. It breaks my heart, but this poor performance can not go unpunished.

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        March 3rd 2017 @ 5:56am
        taylorman said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:56am | ! Report

        Yes well without Nabuli the Reds would have been much worse off. They were outplayed for most of the match and the bigger names just didn’t dominate like you’d expect, particularly Cooper who just has to take more control of these apparent bread and butter matches. When you hear the hype yet are kept waiting and waiting to see it, things are not good.

        Bar the actual tries, a couple of which were stunning, the match meandered a bit but you always felt the Force were going to close it out.

        And that doesn’t speak well for the Reds, who’s star players have just got to look to control the play more. Neither side will get near the playoffs on that effort, but luckily it’s early days, and things to work on.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 11:44am
          DOUBLES said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

          ” particularly Cooper who just has to take more control of these apparent bread and butter matches. When you hear the hype yet are kept waiting and waiting to see it, things are not good.”

          ^^ Taylorman ^^ Any game with Quade !!! Up springs the negative hobbit. haha…. Step outside the shire and experience other players games more Bilbo. Quade had some terrible performers around him last night but it was a bread and butter game ?? You expect him to win the game ?? ..

          Why the continual Cooper angst negativelty and interest ?? Is it because he belted the big tough perfect Rutchie in 2010 ??? ( 7 years ago ) or is it because he beat the Crusaders 4 times in 2011 ( sorry the team beat the Crusaders 4 times )

          It cant be either could it?? .7 years and 6 years are long times man…Time to move on ..

          ..

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 2:10pm
            taylorman said | March 3rd 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

            When everyones screaming out for a player to be the Wallaby 10 I take notice, 10 a very interesting position fro my perspective.

            Mind you, I also talked about Nabuli, the other experienced players and made mention of Smith, leadership, experience, being early in the season and things to improve on.

            I spent a sentence on Cooper, on the expectation that he needs to step up, which is 100% correct.

            Yet you dia?tribe on for 4 paras bringing out Ritchie, the Crusaders, 2010, name calling etc etc.

            Think its you that needs the chill pill pal, not much else to your comments.

            But thanks for coming 🙂

          • March 5th 2017 @ 7:35pm
            Jibba Jabba said | March 5th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

            Stoopid comment doubles – cooper belted no-one, he dropped a few cowardly shots from above or behind McCaw – if you think that is belting someone off to soccer with you.

        • Roar Guru

          March 3rd 2017 @ 1:08pm
          pformagg said | March 3rd 2017 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

          IF people want to see the cooper of 2011, then Will Genia has to be next to him, that is a fact. He doesn’t play with the freedom he can without Genia.

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 5:08pm
            Phil said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

            Frisby is certainly not doing him any favours and,in fact,I can’t see why Frisby has ever deserved to be rated as a top half.Having said that,I still think Tman is correct when he says Cooper needs to step up a bit more in Super rugby if he expects to challenge as Wallaby number 10,which I have always hoped he would,but I think the clock is ticking.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 6:32pm
          Sheikh said | March 3rd 2017 @ 6:32pm | ! Report

          “…but you always felt the Force were going to close it out.”

          Not a sentence any of us long-suffering Force fans are used to hearing!

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 7:49am
        Rhys Bosley said | March 3rd 2017 @ 7:49am | ! Report

        “I think that’s called ‘click bait’ or something like that.”

        I have no problem with you having a differing opinion but just to be clear, you know that the articles in the blue section are opinion pieces by anybody right? We would hardly be writing “click bait” for the benefit of the the Roar.

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:09am
          Paul said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

          He’s referring to the title, which the editors decide. Not your article with the click bait comment. I too read the title assuming there would be some whinge on how it was transplanted QLD’s playing in blue that beat the Reds. Thankfully you didn’t stoop to that.

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 10:35am
            Rhys Bosley said | March 3rd 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

            Cool.

      • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:06am
        Paul said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

        “How do you put your arms around someone when he jumps over you”

        In isolation it would have being just a penalty, but it was his third in a row..

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:31am
          William Tell said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

          Was it his third in row – or the Red’s? That was how the ref explained it.

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 9:41am
            Paul said | March 3rd 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

            It was his. Neck roll, then a high tackle, then that one. It was Fagasse’s third in a row

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          March 3rd 2017 @ 11:43am
          piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:43am | ! Report

          the real question is how do you put your arms around someone when you’ve put your hands on the ground.

          In gridiron we’d call that a cut block

          • March 3rd 2017 @ 11:55am
            Jameswm said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

            Yeah it was a fair yellow. No real effort to use his arms in the tackle.

            However Pek Cowan should also have got a yellow for his retaliation. How did the ref miss that, and how did Qld not bring it to his attention?

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              March 3rd 2017 @ 11:58am
              piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 11:58am | ! Report

              Yeah we actually thought that was what they were looking at until it started focusing on the no arms tackle.It was definitely more apparent at first look

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 3:10pm
          Stephen C said | March 3rd 2017 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

          Fair call, Paul – the ref did call it as the third in a row, but in my opinion no offence was committed, so there was no need for a penalty. Anyway, it’s semantics now.
          And thank you for pointing out that my reference to click bait was solely in reference to the articles title, which I note has now been changed.
          It was certainly not a jab at Rhys’ article. I am fully aware that the editors allocate what they deem to be an ‘appropriate’ headline.

          Eight hours sleep has not dulled the pain of an inept loss in a game that this Reds team, with its wealth of international experience, should have won quite comfortably.

          • March 5th 2017 @ 7:37pm
            Jibba Jabba said | March 5th 2017 @ 7:37pm | ! Report

            Hope you didn’t watch the rebels game then 🙂

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        March 3rd 2017 @ 4:46pm
        piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

        ‘And why does the ref seem to check every Reds try, when the opposition tries seem to be awarded immediately. This is becoming a habit, or am I just too blinded by passion to notice.’

        I’d hazard a guess that because all 3 reds tries were scored right by the corner flags, flirting with touch, whereas the Force’s were clearly in bounds, and in the case of Philps – at the ref’s feet

        • March 3rd 2017 @ 4:59pm
          Ruckin' Oaf said | March 3rd 2017 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

          Well apart from the Reds try scored under the posts.

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            March 3rd 2017 @ 5:49pm
            piru said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:49pm | ! Report

            Apparently I had blocked that one out – stand corrected

      • March 5th 2017 @ 11:59pm
        Tony said | March 5th 2017 @ 11:59pm | ! Report

        Stephen, I also thought the yellow card was way over the top (so to speak) but the ref otherwise seemed pretty consistent, if generally quite picky.

        I think the Nabuli try review was not because of the ref but rather the touchie who got a bit too close and nearly got bowled over, then had no clue whether Nabuli had gone into touch.

    • March 3rd 2017 @ 5:48am
      rossco said | March 3rd 2017 @ 5:48am | ! Report

      Great but what was the score

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