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    Stormers vs Blues

    Super Rugby, 20 May, 2017

    DHL Newlands
    Fulltime - Stormers 30, Blues 22
    Stormers   Blues
    30 FINAL SCORE 22
    3 TRIES 3
    3 CONVERSION KICKS 2
    3 PENALTY GOALS 1
    0 DROP GOALS 0
     
     
    Referee: Jaco Van heerden
    Touch judges: Marius van der Westhuizen & Cwengile Jadezweni
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    The Blues face a vital challenge to win on the road and keep themselves in the mix for a finals berth when they come up against the Stormers in Round 13. Join The Roar for live scores from the match at DHL Newlands, starting from 3am AEST.

    Due to Super Rugby’s convoluted and soon to come to an end conference system, this match means a lot more for the Blues’ finals chances than it does the Stormers’, even though the Stormers are five competition points behind their opponents.

    The reason for that is that the Stormers have a dominant lead in the Africa 2 conference over some battlers in the Bulls, Cheetahs and Sunwolves. With only five rounds left, they could probably coast through to finals without lifting a finger, even though they’re on a so-so 6-4 record at the moment.

    The Blues, on the other hand, are part of a pack of teams trying to fit into the four finals slots not reserved for conference winners. They’re not going to catch the league-leading Crusaders for top spot in New Zealand, but still have hopes of playing finals if they can leapfrog say the Sharks or the Highlanders into eighth.

    They’ve built up some steam with three wins in a row coming into this match, knocking off the Brumbies (18-12) and the Waratahs (40-33) while in Australia, and then last week the Cheetahs at home (50-32).

    The Stormers on the other hand after starting the year in excellent form with six straight wins, have lost their last four and come into this match off a bye last week.

    Prediction
    Although the Stormers boast the home ground advantage and a week’s rest coming into this one, you’d think with things positioned the way they are, the Blues have reason to want it more.

    Blues by 4.

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    • 5:47pm
      Ed moors said | 5:47pm | ! Report

      What a disgrace performance from both referring n tmo. U should be ashamed of yourself.

      • 12:22pm
        Dopplerman said | 12:22pm | ! Report

        Linesman was in on it as well !.

    • 11:43am
      WQ said | 11:43am | ! Report

      Watched this game this morning, terrible game of Rugby made so by a very sub standard Reffing display. Whatever the reason, he is just not up to Super Rugby standard.

      • Roar Guru

        1:24pm
        Cadfael said | 1:24pm | ! Report

        My whinge for ages. Why can’t we have neutral referees? There will always be the hint of bias, A NZ team v a SA team in SA with SA match officials. It doesn’t look good. It should be the same as Caesar’s wife. In Europe, the Champions Cup games have neutral officials including the TMO.

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      11:16am
      Nobrain said | 11:16am | ! Report

      I am sure tha Harry knew about the ref and his weaknesses before tipping the Stormers, I wish I had the same info before making my call.

    • 10:38am
      Kelefua said | 10:38am | ! Report

      Just watched the game wow those officials were incompetent or very bias. Blues can feel hard done by for sure. TMO must be a Cyclop.

      But credit to the Stormers they can only play to the whistle. They took their chances & got the win.

    • 9:02am
      Highlander said | 9:02am | ! Report

      Watched the first half live, second this morning, Blues supporters have every right to be annoyed.

      Was the officiating incompetent or biased, when it is not only the big decisions but a consistent theme across the board, offsides, forward passes knock ons, ruled differently for each side then as a game we have a problem.
      Don’t like refs being the focus of a game but how do you avoid it in this one.

      Two words, for the SA home quarter final – Angus Gardner.

      • 9:10am
        Fionn said | 9:10am | ! Report

        Try being a Wallabies supporter watching them play the All Blacks, and then you’ll know about incompetent or biased refereeing 😉

        • 9:25am
          stainlesssteve said | 9:25am | ! Report

          people here have an equal and opposite viewpoint, Fionn

      • Roar Guru

        9:45am
        PeterK said | 9:45am | ! Report

        marius was the same ref who was just as biased against rebels when the sharks got an undeserved draw.

        He is the new stuart berry

        • Columnist

          9:48am
          Geoff Parkes said | 9:48am | ! Report

          You’re hanging the wrong guy Peter. Last night it was Jaco van Heerden.

          • Roar Guru

            11:38am
            PeterK said | 11:38am | ! Report

            you are right, sorry, he was the touchie,

            just shows neutral refs are a must, especially come finals time.

            Stormers and Lions will get enormous leg up if they have home town refs for the qf’s.

      • Roar Guru

        10:11am
        Charging Rhino said | 10:11am | ! Report

        Try being a South African team playing in New Zealand mate. Been happening since year dot and every subsequent year since then. I didn’t watch this game so I can’t comment on any decisions, but I’m just saying……
        Shouldn’t throw stones from glass houses. There are always two sides, regardless of whether you know it, or like it, you always view the game from your own biased viewpoint.

        Not to take anything away from the quality of NZ teams this year or in the past, most often the better team in either NZ or SA deserve to win and they do. But jeepers mate I can’t even count the amount of times the Sharks or Boks have been absolutely screwed and blown out of the game in the first half in games in NZ, which just sinks you mentally. Not necessarily blatant calls but nothing just seems to go their way and ever 50/50 call goes the other, so much so that Justin Marshall some of times has to call it saying something like “ah.. te Sharks will feel aggrieved there…”. And if there’s an SA commentator on the game you can almost feel him shaking his head through the gritted words he’s issuing trying to describe what just happened.
        Just saying mate….

        • 1:10pm
          Highlander said | 1:10pm | ! Report

          Not disagreeing Rhino, all the empirical studies show refereeing favours the home team, more so if it is the dominant side which fair to say NZ has been for a while, so a level of ‘momentum refereeing’ should be expected. Jaco pulled out a few home town beauties for Ireland in the Dublin AB game last year.

          However, every now and then we get outliers, this game was one. Not just from the ref but from the full panel of four.

          Seem to recall SA vs ABs, Ellis Park 2012.
          Half time the penalty count favoured SA 9-0 and 12-4 at full time, NZ also wore the only YC that day.
          ABs won 32-16.
          Any examples that one sided from your end? – just saying 🙂

          • Roar Guru

            1:35pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | 1:35pm | ! Report

            Can’t both sides see the absurdity here. Kiwi fans hammering SA referees and Saffa fans hammering NZ refs. And this goes back a hundred years. Are we not all very very very tired of this?
            Would it not be better if Saffa and Kiwi fans unite and just find comfort in each other that you both are the “victims”?
            And if all fans in both SA and NZ had a common agenda that this has to stop (neutral refs is the only thing that works) and worked together, I think there is a fair chance things could change rather quickly.
            But as things are now, with both sides throwing handbags at each other – which keeps them divided – this problem will maybe never stop.

            • 4:32pm
              Lostintokyo said | 4:32pm | ! Report

              And they continue to appoint local refs. The agenda is let’s win at all costs. It is a SANZAAR mismanagement issue. They have honed the art form. Fort Fumble in Australia are minor league compared to Screw-up SANZAAR.

          • Roar Guru

            2:25pm
            Charging Rhino said | 2:25pm | ! Report

            Same year 2012 Eden park Test. Bismarkgate?
            Most Super rugby games??

            But as Swede says it’s wrong and yet happens. Even with “neutral” refs such as Poite.
            I don’t recall there being any controversy with the Ellis Park test but there you go…. And I bet the ref was a NH neutral.

            I have just come to expect it now and know that if there’s any chance of beating a team in NZ, that they would beat no problems in SA, then they need to see themselves having a 12 point handicap at the start of the game. Take the Sharks in 2014, despite the constant calls against them and 2 men in the bin, a 13 man Sharks team managed to beat the Crusaders in Christchurch. But it was one heck of an effort and fight where they just refused to lose regardless of the endless 50/50 calls going against them.
            2015 rolls around, Sharks “score” a try against the Canes, after tmo calls etc ref rules no try. The Blues that same weekend score an almost identical try against the Stormers (??) and it was given. Sharks were winning and could’ve closed out the game, Stormers would’ve won too.

            You’ll hear South Africans talking around a braai or in front of the TV on a Saturday morning and the talk is “every time, every time” when referring to the calls made or missed.

            You can’t always look at the penalty count though because a side is penalised for infringing, and it should never be seen as “fair” refererring if you end up with a 10-10 penalty count split, thats where the problems start with he ref or people thinking that. Penalise or don’t penalise accurately and fairly, its nonsense to think a team is deserving of the same amount of penalties, what a team does deserve is for an accurate assessment to be made and for th ref to blow, or not blow fairly. If a team is constantly infringing and the other isn’t, then they deserve a 15-1 penalty split.

            Anyway mate, I don’t know if this one will ever get solved, I’ve come to accept that from the last 21 years, although I wish it could change and still get mad at the TV. It’s as though he ref, regardless of origin, is precondtiined to think that the home NZ team “should” win the game so his judgements (whether intentional or not/ unconsciously) are made accordingly.

            Again the top NZ teams are playing great rugby this year and rightfully at the top. Changing the subject a bit but I’d still back the Sharks against the Blues or Highlanders this year whether in NZ or not 😉 I think the other 3 are too strong but the Lions will give them all a run for their money.
            The playoffs will tell. If the Sharks finish 8th and Crusaders 1st, I’m scared we’ll catch a hiding in Christchurch, even if all the 50/50 calls go the Sharks way. But one can hope 🙂

            • Roar Guru

              3:21pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | 3:21pm | ! Report

              Hi Rhino

              Neutral refs are of course not perfect, but I think if anyone would take the time to break down all the calls in SR the last 20 years we would see that neutral refs make far less calls that could be considered to be biased.
              At the end of the day this is a question of credibility and trustworthiness for the whole competition.

              Rugby should just copy football here. All the refs are from the same country, they are always neutral and always work together in the same team.
              If rugby teams get better by playing the same players together over time, anyone who thinks that “refs team” would not also improve over time?

              • Roar Guru

                4:04pm
                Charging Rhino said | 4:04pm | ! Report

                Yep good point. It’s definitely worth trying.

                I guess the problem has been that some countries produce more quality refs (in the SH traditionally SA & NZ), whereas Australia’s pool is smaller. A few years ago when Craig Joubert was at his best and a few others, it seemed that the Australia vs NZ game always benefitted from good refereeing, whereas SA vs NZ couldn’t have that luxury, unless Nigel Owens stepped in.

                Rugby is a very tough game to ref. I feel sorry for them as they are heavily criticised regardless. Maybe we need to rather look at simplifying some of the breakdown laws, the scrims appear to have benefitted from recent law changes.

              • Roar Guru

                4:35pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | 4:35pm | ! Report

                Not sure if any rule changes will actually help the refs too much. As you say, rugby is an silly hard game to ref. That is the key question the World Rugby must adress. 50 years ago, when rugby was way slower and less muscular, a single ref at least had a chance to be close to all the action (that they did not call it anyway is another discussion).

                Rugby’s ugly cousin American Football is the closet thing we got to rugby (well League also) and it interesting to see how they handle the ref issue. First of all they acknowledged that is impossible for one ref to see it all. They are six refs on the field and the quality of the referring is lightyears ahead of rugby. Very few calls are missed or go the wrong way.

                I am not saying that rugby should have six refs on the field and I don’t want rugby to become a stop start stop start sport like American Football. But maybe two on the field at least?
                I also think if they were two refs they actually don’t have to be so close to the action as they are now (and many times interferes with play) because there will be four eyes looking from two different angels instead. And when the play breaks up, chances are a lot higher that one of them will be able to follow the action close enough (and the other one can keep an eye on the other players and it would a lot easier to call obstructions and similar calls).

                If I compare with football again, I say rugby is a faster game than football, despite all tackles. In football it is very rare that a player runs more than 15-20 meter with the ball and it impossible to run at your top speed when you have to control a ball with your feet at the same time (I guy like Messi comes very close though, but he is unique). In rugby, we see 60, 70, 80 meter sprints with the pill in every game and there absolutely no way a 45 year old ref is gonna run as fast as a 24 year old 110 killo winger sprinter.

                Just like in football, the NFL refs always works as a team. Same same in NHL, NBA and so on. There are many ref documentaries on YouTube where one can see how these ref teams work and how close they are. A ref team becomes like sport team after while almost and it is obvious that they feed from each other and both back each other and give the hardest feedback.

              • 5:17pm
                Highlander said | 5:17pm | ! Report

                Neutral refs still favour the home side by the equivalent of ‘a differentiating score’, I think is the key term (been a long time since I read the research) lots of Uni level research if you can be bothered wading through it, so correct it’s neutrals are not perfect.

                So we can all accept that, or we should.

                It is the perception of the home town bias when a game is poorly officiated, ie last night, gets everyone’s back up.

                Good response too Rhino, thanks

              • Roar Guru

                5:08pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | 5:08pm | ! Report

                Hello Highlander.
                I have seen reports about this also. One of the more interesting reports I have seen suggested that the biggest reason the home team get advantages is because of the crowd noise.
                They took a large group of refs and let them watch a game without sound, and another group of refs watched the same game with sound on. And it was remarkable to see that the home team got a lot more calls with them when the sounds was on.

                We will never live in world with perfect refereed rugby and we should not expect something that is impossible.

                My biggest issue is the credibility of Super Rugby. Almost every week can we read about NZ refs favoring NZ sides, OZ ref doing the same and SA refs doing the same. That is terrible marketing for the SR.
                And as you said, we will get refs favoring the home team even with neutral refs, but with neutral refs we would at least put an end to all the talk with home friendly referees due to national biases.

                On a good note: The Japanese ref Shuhei Kubo in Highlanders game yesterday is really good. I have seen him ref 4-5 games now, and he has been in total control in every game and from my view it has been clear the players respect him a lot. I he continues like this I do hope Sanzaar gives him the final in SR this year and that they use him a lot during TRC.

    • 7:30am
      Uncle Eric said | 7:30am | ! Report

      One day SR will get neutral officials…. Incompetence or bias? Either way it was an exceedingly poor performance from the officials. This together with the conference system makes a mockery of SR has a competition. Lots of brilliant individual games, but no real reward for the top teams.

    • 5:09am
      Brett Susan said | 5:09am | ! Report

      Yeah Sonny can box…. but as a street fighter you would have to back Etsebeth. I met him once at a jersey signing and I could sense that he wasn’t enjoying my attempts to cajole him into a selfie. His grunt made me disappear very quickly.

      • 5:28am
        mad mick said | 5:28am | ! Report

        Thats it for SBW he isn’t up to the hype. He shows no leadership in this rudderless outfit and his mate Tana is just as bad.

    • 5:04am
      Mike Julz said | 5:04am | ! Report

      This bloody ref is just plain rookie. Made a lot of dodgy calls. He gave the Stormers a lot of calls. That swinging arm should’ve gotten at least a yellow, I thought it should’ve been red. That offside unknown penalty mark which led to a quick tap try And that non double movement try, the player didn’t play the ball on the ground when he got tackled.. The Stormers got away with alot

      • 5:11am
        Rugby Tragic said | 5:11am | ! Report

        Mate … ref missed a couple of YC’s, that one that took Francis out of the game and big Ofa early in second half… Blues had their chances though but were not good enough … they have to be able to take the ref (and in this instance the TMO) out of the game… they were unable to so the result stands… Blues simply ….. didn’t deserve to win

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          5:16am
          biltongbek said | 5:16am | ! Report

          I disagree RT, it is just too simple a philosophy to suggest a team should win inspite of the referee.

          It shouldn’t be a situation of where one team has to make allowances for referees.

          It is simply not acceptable

          • 1:08pm
            Rugby Tragic said | 1:08pm | ! Report

            billtongbek… thanks but what I do not want to do is whinge because we lost, even though it pains me, it will not change the result .. its already in the history books … others more qualified than me are talking about the referee ..

            • 8:35am
              Ruka said | 8:35am | ! Report

              The refs incompetence is shown by the citing of Treeby. What more do we need?

        • 5:16am
          T13 said | 5:16am | ! Report

          No ref just doesn’t know his rule book. The blues weren’t hard done by the yellow cards. They were hard done by dodgy try descisions

    • 5:02am
      Targa said | 5:02am | ! Report

      Bad luck Blues; well done Stormers.

      There is going to be a huge battle now between the Chiefs, Canes and Highlanders for 2nd in the NZ conference.

      No offence to the Australian sides, but I’d far rather get a qf in Australia than against the Stormers, or Crusaders/Lions.

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        10:51am
        Charging Rhino said | 10:51am | ! Report

        Yep and Sharks will be desperate to rather finish 5th (unlikely) or 6th so they can play the Stormers or Aussie team. They want to avoid the Lions or Crusaders that’s for sure!

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