AFL trade rumours: Is Jake a stayer or a Lever?

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    It’s been three weeks since we talked trade rumours, and you know what that means. My fingers are getting itchy!

    The biggest news in recent times is the reports that the Western Bulldogs are keen on Jake Lever, offering as much as $850,000 a year.

    The deal would likely run for at least five years, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see it balloon out even further than that.

    Most of the talk around Lever prior to the recent rumours has been that he would almost certainly remain at Adelaide but was waiting for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement to make a deal.

    Personally, I have suspected during the year that the ‘waiting for a new CBA’ line from players was as much a stalling tactic as anything, and it’s interesting to note how the tone has changed around Lever since it was announced.

    In April, Lever said: “In terms of my contract status, I’m sort of waiting for the CBA to be done, but my manager is in constant talks with the club.”

    On Tuesday he said: “I’m not sure I want it to be done before the finals, because if it’s a decision I have to make, I don’t want to be rushed into it just because it’s just before finals.”

    Although Lever has generally indicated throughout the year that it’s a ‘decision’ he has to make, rather than a mere formality, the fact that he doesn’t see the two months between now and finals as enough time to make that decision – despite already having an offer on the table from the Crows – certainly makes it clear that he is at least considering other options.

    The Bulldogs do seem to be the most likely destination if he does look for a return to Victoria, but Melbourne and Collingwood are also in pursuit. St Kilda and North Melbourne were also mentioned earlier in the year but seem to have focused on other targets.

    Melbourne, in particular, were strongly interested in him in his draft year and he was a consideration with picks 2 and 3 (eventually used on Christian Petracca and Angus Brayshaw).

    They also targetted him through a deal that would’ve seen Jack Trengove move to Richmond for the Tigers’ top draft pick that year, but fell through when a medical examination discovered Trengove had reinjured his foot.

    All three clubs could certainly use a key defender of Lever’s quality, of course – literally any club in the league would love to have him.

    Personally, I’m sticking to my opinion that he will likely stay with the Crows, but the door does seem more open now than it was a few short weeks ago.

    Jake Lever Adelaide Crows AFL 2016 tall

    (AAP Image/Ben Macmahon)

    It was suggested a little while ago that Hawthorn could be a quiet player in the market for Richmond free agent Dustin Martin.

    Hawthorn have a history of being very active at the trade table, but make relatively little noise before eventually making their move.

    Rarely has a season gone by where they haven’t poached at least one highly-rated player from an opposition club, and the identity of that player has usually been kept in the bag until later than is common for most clubs.

    Martin makes a lot of sense for Hawthorn as a target. Their recruitment of Tom Mitchell and Jaeger O’Meara last year was clearly aimed at revitalising their midfield, a job which is not yet complete.

    With Luke Hodge confirming that he will retire at the end of the year, Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis leaving last year, and possibly more retirements on the way, this is a strategy we should expect to ramp up rather than quieten down.

    The only question mark for Hawthorn when it comes to trading this year is their lack of valuable assets. Their first-round pick for the year is already gone and they are unlikely to trade a valuable player.

    That means that next year’s first round pick is essentially the only trade piece at their disposal likely to be of any use in attracting a quality player.

    Of course, that makes Martin, a free agent, all the more logical – though he is restricted free agent, so Hawthorn would have to be confident that any offer they made him could not be matched by the Tigers.

    Martin is more likely than not still in a Richmond guernsey next year, however, if he does go on to the open market then I’d expect Hawthorn to be in as deep as anyone.

    Dustin Martin Richmond Tigers AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    In other free agency news, it is sounding more and more like Nat Fyfe will re-sign with Fremantle for 2018 and beyond.

    “My management and the club are in discussions, and now that the CBA has been finalised the parties are in a better position to be able to sit down and work it out and I’m quite hopeful something will be done in the coming weeks,” Fyfe said recently.

    That’s fairly straightforward and it is sounding like we will soon be able to close the book on this one for the forseeable future.

    That said, he played his best game of the year on the weekend and, as I wrote in my quick takes, it will be interesting to see if continued top-flight form could reignite the market for his services.

    While the big names like Martin and Fyfe may be leaning more towards staying than going, it’s looking more and more likely that Levi Casboult will be playing elsewhere in 2018.

    The 27-year-old spearhead is in the middle of the best year of his career – he has kicked an accurate 23.13 from 15 games and only needs two more goals in the last seven weeks of the season to make it a career-high.

    These are by no means startling numbers but one has to consider that he’s playing as the No.1 forward (AKA the first target of opposition defenders) in a bottom-four side which has scored the least points of any in the league.

    He could have a good impact playing as the second banana to an A-grade key forward at another club.

    Although he hasn’t been strongly linked to any opposition clubs just yet, there has been a little talk of Richmond being interested, which would be about the best possible fit for him.

    A second dangerous tall target in attack to partner with Jack Riewoldt and make the forward line less predictable is probably Richmond’s biggest need on the list, and they don’t have any prospects that seem likely to step up and play that role in the near future. Casboult would also be a handy pinch-hitter in the ruck to support Toby Nankervis.

    The Tigers are also said to be interested in Sydney’s Sam Reid, who is also a free agent – but any decision on whether or not to pursue a free agent will live and die on what Dustin Martin does at the end of the year, because the potential free agency compensation for losing him would be affected, or perhaps crossed out entirely, if the Tigers gained a free agent of their own.

    Levi Casboult Carlton Blues AFL 2017 tall

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    While Casboult is probably on the way out, it seems Bryce Gibbs is a good chance to stay at Carlton, despite requesting a trade – and being refused – last year.

    Carlton CEO Steven Trigg recently said: “He’s contracted for two more years at the end of this year he’s happy… I can sit here quite confidently and say that he’s a Carlton player next year.”

    Gibbs himself hasn’t made any kind of strong public statement about where he wants to be in 2018, but it’s clear from his on-field form that he is in a good mental space.

    Of course, things can change pretty quickly once the season wraps up, so this will still be one to follow.

    We’ve also seen a few rumours meet their doom in recent weeks – Jason Johannisen and Steven May have ended speculation by re-signing, as has Luke Hodge by retiring.

    One other minor piece of news was a brief mention that Port Adelaide’s Brendon Ah Chee could look at a return to his home state of Western Australia.

    That would likely be to Fremantle if it comes to fruition, but he was also linked to Gold Coast last year, where his brother Callum plays.

    With all that wrapped up, why not a few Twitter questions?

    Well, he’ll be at Spotless Stadium on Saturday night… in a more long-term look, little has changed on the Kelly front. We won’t likely know a confirmed decision until the end of the year.

    While the media talk is that he’s more likely to sign a short-term deal at GWS than take up an offer from Victorian club, he could have done so already if he wished to, and holding off a decision until end of year suggests he’ll more likely than not move.

    Of course, that could be just the optimistic North Melbourne fan in me talking.

    Sitting tight is the last thing the Hawks ever do when it comes to trade time. I’d expect them to make some moves in the off-season but as discussed above, they’re usually good at keeping things under wraps.

    They’ll likely go hard at the free agent list, with Dustin Martin and Jackson Trengove both be heavily targetted – and perhaps there’s still interest in Fyfe?

    Doubt it! Might have got a third-round pick for him last year if the club had pushed him out the Daw but they signed him to a three-year deal instead. Doubt anyone is sniffing around given lack of impact at senior level.

    A fan’s got to dream, Ryan. A fan’s got a dream.

    As always, hit me up with your thoughts, questions, and wild, string-on-the-wall theories in the comments.

    Josh Elliott
    Josh Elliott

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • July 12th 2017 @ 8:07am
      Darren said | July 12th 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

      Josh I’m interested in what you are basing the Casboult likely to leave call on?

      • Roar Guru

        July 12th 2017 @ 9:03am
        Steve J said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

        I’m a little bemused he hasn’t been linked to Freo just like every other middling to average forward of the past decade

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:08am
          Mattician6x6 said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

          Can link you guys to Fraser McInnes if you like.

      • Editor

        July 12th 2017 @ 1:55pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

        The message being put forward by club and player is that neither is any rush to get a deal done, and I think both parties are aware that Casboult moving to a new club would probably be the best thing for both of them – Casboult will get a better offer in terms of money and years, and more chance of success, while Carlton get probably a second-round pick.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 2:36pm
          Darren said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

          So it’s just your take – that’s cool.
          I’ve seen three Bolton after game interviews where he has been asked this question. Answer has been the same – free agency is a good thing, players should be able to test their value but I want to emphasise one thing Levi is a Carlton man. It’s a fascinating response.
          I think length of contract will be the key. He has become incredibly valuable this year at Carlton as a 2nd ruckman – key forward. In fact it is a big call but is there anyone performing that role better in the AFL at the moment?

    • July 12th 2017 @ 8:34am
      Pumping Dougie said | July 12th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

      The Doggies just saved some cash with the JJ deal, plus we’re no longer contributing to Ryan Griffin’s salary, so Lever to the Doggies is a chance. He looked like he was getting along very well with Redpath last weekend too.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 10:02am
        Sammy said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:02am | ! Report

        What the above article did not state was that lever in his interview last night said he was very happy at adelaide, they and the crows are in negotiations and he is happy with the club. He doesn’t want to be forced to make a decision before finals but he said the crows have put an offer to him which he and his girlfriend are considering. Oh and his brother also plays footy in south australia and his girlfriend has not quit her job like was doing the social media rounds. Based on that i think he and his manager are fielding offers to see what his market value is to force the crows close to that mark contract wise and he would be silly to just close the door if he could get a few more dollars from the club. Will he stay..probably. if he decides to go then the crows will be demanding a couple of first round picks or a first rounder and a playerfor one of the hottest young defenders going around. He is not a free agent and a trade would have to be worked out. Any club trying to low ball the crows should be told that brisbane will get him in the PSD instead if he really decides to go

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          July 12th 2017 @ 10:28am
          Pumping Dougie said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:28am | ! Report

          Fair comment Sammy. I always like seeing players stay at their club, but naturally I’d be rapt if Lever came to the Doggies. You’re probably right and he’ll probably stay at the Crows.

          If he does leave, he’ll most likely nominate his club of choice (which I think is a problem the AFL needs to sort out), making it more difficult for the Crows to seek the best deal between multiple clubs. Young, highly promising key defenders are rare, so your trade proposition doesn’t seem unreasonable as a starting point. But I think it’s extremely unlikely Adelaide would give him to Brisbane for nothing in the PSD – that would be negligent from club management and ends up serving nobody’s interests. Bearing in mind the trade costs of previous trades (e.g. Dangerfield, Tom Mitchell, O’Meara, etc.) I imagine the end result if he left, would be an early first rounder plus a mid second rounder, or first rounder plus a promising fringe player.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 11:09am
            Sammy said | July 12th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

            Hard to disagree with you there dougie..i would thing the frows and any club competing for lever would also know the trade value well

      • July 12th 2017 @ 10:51am
        Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

        PD were you surprised JJ got 5 years – seems a bit long in the context of his season to date.

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          July 12th 2017 @ 11:33am
          Pumping Dougie said | July 12th 2017 @ 11:33am | ! Report

          Birdman I’m happy with the deal because I think with Bob Murphy’s looming retirement we really need players with JJ’s speedy transition and endurance. He’s been really poor since being tagged but he was brilliant this season before that happened. I suspect he’s never been tagged in his life and I’m hoping and expecting he’ll work his way through that over time. This biggest hindrance to him overcoming the tag currently is his inexperience and the poor form of his teammates – if his teammates start playing well, it puts a lot of pressure on opposition coaches to abort tagging a back flanker or pocket player. I’m grateful this past month has driven his contract price down. He’s young (24) and I don’t think we’ve overpaid him considering the increased Salary Cap, which is good, so I’m happy with the long term nature of the deal.

        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2017 @ 11:48am
          Paul D said | July 12th 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

          Daniel Rich proved you don’t have to be in good form to be given a 5 year deal

      • Editor

        July 12th 2017 @ 1:56pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

        Very smart moving by the Dogs on the JJ deal, have signed him at probably his lowest value point and will be a bargain player in the 2020s if his form returns to its best.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 2:05pm
          Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

          copy that – could always throw him on a wing to free him up a bit

    • July 12th 2017 @ 8:35am
      GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 8:35am | ! Report

      The potential movement of Lever is an interesting one. Since the CBA Adelaide have given extensions to Walker and Sloane. Neither have taken pay rises, based on a similar team first philosophy at Hawthorn and Geelong.

      No information has really come to light on McGovern’s wants, plans, needs. All we have really heard is a few people, most notably his brother state “we’d love to have home”. Not sure WC have a lot to trade with this year. Fremantle seem more likely. Adelaide for obvious reasons would love for him to stay.

      Adelaide have again made no secret of looking for another mid this year. A Rockliff or Gibbs type player perhaps. Rockliff seems more getable, and will cost the club far less.

      The feeling with Lever is that there is still juggling of cap space going on to fit in with the other contracts and potential trades. In other words, the structure of the contract in front may be open to change.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 9:24am
        Don Freo said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

        Maybe a South Australian? Lachie Neale for Jake Lever AND Mitch McGovern…love to have Lever but Neale is worth more than both of them.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:05am
          Sammy said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

          Lol..lever and mcgovern for neale…how about Mcgovern for fyfe and your first round pick as mcgovern is worth more than fyfe…there..see how silly statements can be

          • July 13th 2017 @ 12:35am
            dontknowmuchaboutfootball said | July 13th 2017 @ 12:35am | ! Report

            Have no idea what Lever and McGovern are “worth” either separately or collectively, but there’s very little in the world I’d trade Lachine Neale for.

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              July 13th 2017 @ 1:55am
              AdelaideDocker said | July 13th 2017 @ 1:55am | ! Report

              Yeah, it would have to be something unbelievably enticing. And even then I’d expect the club to be incredibly reluctant to trade Neale.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 8:57pm
          Rex said | July 12th 2017 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

          LOL – look at Don go!
          At some stage he may wake up and realise he’s been dreaming!!

      • July 12th 2017 @ 9:43am
        Mattician6x6 said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

        Longer McGovern doesn’t sign the more I feel freo are in box seat to get him unfortunately.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 9:50am
          GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

          The silence on McGovern is both equally deafening and disturbing. Adelaide doesn’t have a good recent history of retaining great interstate players. Fans will demand Justin Reid’s head

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:05am
            Mattician6x6 said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

            Would love him at west coast but that could be overkill on our tall stocks, interested to see if the new stadiums dimensions affect west coast list decisions going fwd.

            • July 12th 2017 @ 12:12pm
              johno said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

              Not so sure he’s surplus to requirements. Josh K is 30 in August and Darling hasn’t been exactly electric

              • July 12th 2017 @ 4:14pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 12th 2017 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

                Thinking young leg speed might be a priority not trading top draft pick for a tall.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 9:49am
        Craig Delaney said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

        With Thompson likely to retire, there’s more room for a mid, but Adelaide were happy not to move heaven and earth to get Gibbs, because they believed their list was more than adequate. The injury to Ellis-Yolmen denied us to see him this year. He had really applied himself and looked set to have an impact. Greenwood surprised many but not me, and, with this season under his belt, there’s no reason to suppose this consummate professional will not improve in 2018.

        The loss of Lever would hurt – the team balance, the team, and Crows’ supporters. He would need to be replaced, but that’s very problematic who seems set to be something like the next Steven Silvagni.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 9:55am
          GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:55am | ! Report

          Rockliff may in fact be a better option than Gibbs. I think he’ll only cost the club his salary, no draft picks or other horse trading. If Brisbane don’t fight it I believe that they can finish up with another first round draft pick as compensation, better than what Adelaide can offer.

          My take on his interview the other day was that he will happily follow the best deal.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:10am
            Sammy said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

            Rucci on radio said port spoke to rockliff’s manager during the break but was told he is very keen on playing in SA next year but not with port. There was a report in melbourne that also said adelaide is in the box seat and it would only be salary due to rockliff being a free agent at the end of the year. I say get him in as he will be a huge help in the middle.should either lever or mcgovern leave then with the extra picks the crows would get, they should target good mnother midfielder.

            • July 12th 2017 @ 10:17am
              GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

              Yeah – only problem with Rucci is he is rabid wharfie supporter and it often seems hard to decipher whether he is being truthful or throwing curveballs. And Rucci has picked up again from a storyline he started last year.

      • Editor

        July 12th 2017 @ 1:58pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

        I don’t think there’s going to be any trouble re-signing Lever or McGovern from a salary cap perspective, it’s almost purely a question of whether or not they opt to return home. Of course, if one or both goes, that only increases what I suspect is a significant amount that Adelaide have available to go shopping with.

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          July 12th 2017 @ 10:13pm
          Lamby said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:13pm | ! Report

          Why would young kids want to go home when the Crows are in a Premiership window? Why would they not sign for 3 years, get a flag (hopefully) then take a big money payday when they are 24/25? Lever is not from Melbourne (he is country Victoria) so it is not ‘going home’ anyway. To me it sounds like managers getting bigger salaries – but that hurts teams trying to win flags as there is less room to bring in or keep other good players.

    • July 12th 2017 @ 8:54am
      Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

      My two cents.- – hearing that Hawks are also sounding out Lever but I’ll stick with my original theory that Jackson Trengove (Port) is a more likely target as a restricted FA.

      Also think Rockliff is a better chance to be in gold and brown next season than Dusty as Hawks don’t have a history of overpaying (Vickery aside).

      • Roar Guru

        July 12th 2017 @ 9:04am
        Steve J said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:04am | ! Report

        I think Fagan may have steadied the ship as far as players wanting out goes. Schache was a big win and Rockliff will be very important for the Lions to keep.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:10am
          Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          yes at the right price Rocky stays, but Lions might have to pay slightly overs IMHO to ward off interest.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:20am
            GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:20am | ! Report

            I read somewhere the other day (so not 100% on this) that Brisbane could get a compensation pick for Rockliff. This could possibly give them 1 and 2 in the draft assuming they finish last.

            I get the feeling Brisbane would be open to that and wouldn’t be offering to pay to much to keep him.

            • July 12th 2017 @ 10:42am
              Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

              Lions won’t get pick 2 as a FA compo pick for Rocky but they will get compo.

              Also expect Lions will pitch for a priority pick from AFL again based on low ladder position but unsure how that plays out.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 10:50am
                GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

                Cheers for that – I have lost track of how the AFL weigh the compo picks, have you got any idea?

              • July 12th 2017 @ 10:55am
                Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                Josh might be able to make a better guess for Rocky but the ‘formula’ is here http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2017 @ 10:57am
                Cat said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

                Never know, the pick will depend on the value and length of the contract Rocky signed. Unless it is big dollars and 5+ years the compo would likely be end of first round, not directly after their first pick.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 11:14am
                Sammy said | July 12th 2017 @ 11:14am | ! Report

                Rucci was saying on radio that a possibility for rockliff coming to the crows is that they pick up part of his salary sothat the salary figure is higher to be worth a better draft pick. Ie he signs with the crows for $600000 per year with the crows paying $400000 & lions paying $200000 to get most of his salary off the books and to inflate his salary for compensation draft pick purposes. I have no idea if that would pass muster with the AFL?

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                July 12th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Cat said | July 12th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                No way that would happen. Clear draft rorting.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 12:06pm
                GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                You say “rorting” .. Michael Zz QC says first class negotiation and contract management between 2 clubs to achieve a just outcome for both in a highly competitive environment. The clubs have achieved a positive outcome for all parties, in particular facilitating the transition of the player to his preferred destination while making sure that the club that nurtured his development was adequately compensated. The delivery of this trade should be welcomed and rejoiced and used a future example of the growing maturity we are witnessing in the trading market .. blah blah

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2017 @ 12:14pm
                Cat said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                First off he is a restricted free agent. So you’d have to offer him the real contract first, then Lions match it. Then you’d have to do a trade. AFL are not going to sign off on a trade of a newly signed Rockliff to Adelaide in exchange for Brisbane paying part of his salary. There would have to be something significant going back Brisbane’s way from Adelaide.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 12:22pm
                GJ said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

                If I put a smiley face at the end would it have helped .. it was just a poor attempt at a few light hearted throw away sentences

            • Editor

              July 12th 2017 @ 2:09pm
              Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:09pm | ! Report

              Top-band compensation is pretty rare these days with the AFL changing the rules a bit after the Frawley deal, a new club would have to make Rockliff one of the absolute best-paid players in the comp to get that deal done which I doubt would happen.

              The possible plan would be for a club to sign Rockliff to a short-term deal with an inflated salary, with a handshake under the table that he would accept a much smaller extension later on – a bit like Ty Vickery’s three-year-deal becoming a two-year-deal last year.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 2:44pm
                Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

                lucky Hawks lopped that year off as it turns out

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2017 @ 3:37pm
                Pumping Dougie said | July 12th 2017 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

                LOL Birdman, it will be interesting to see if they keep their alleged secret vow and extend his contract and how they spin the PR on that one if they do.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 10:18am
        Kane said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

        And O’Meara is starting to look that way. Bad year at the trade table for the Hawk’s last year. They were due for a bad one i suppose after getting so many right.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:39am
          Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:39am | ! Report

          not looking good for 2017 but plenty to play out before it’s an official bust.

          • July 13th 2017 @ 5:49am
            Kane said | July 13th 2017 @ 5:49am | ! Report

            Very true Birdman but from the outside looking in i reckon his knees are cooked which is unfortunate because he’s a very handy footballer

      • Editor

        July 12th 2017 @ 2:08pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

        Lever would be huge for the Hawks, but we could cost at least their first round next year and second round this year, keeping them for having any real impact in the draft until 2019 at least, so I agree – Trengove more logical.

        Rockliff would defintiely be worth getting in contact with, but I reckon he’ll stay at the Lions if they want to keep him.

    • July 12th 2017 @ 9:09am
      Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

      Just wondering Josh what gives the impression Casboult is leaving the blues?

      Given if he left the blues their forward line would be made up of McKay (19), Silvagni (19) Curnow (20), SPS (19) Fisher (19) and Wright (27) and the blues have plenty of salary cap space it would have to be a fairly sizeable offer to beat what the blues would surely be offering, especially considering Casboult is doing the back up ruck work as well.

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        July 12th 2017 @ 9:55am
        Col from Brissie said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:55am | ! Report

        Come on Macca, there has been a couple of very reliable sources. Firstly there is mattyb who is pretty sure he is going to Collingwood and an even better source in Ricky Nixon who has the Tigers offering $500k a year for 4 years.

        Casboult is happy to wait until the end of the season before starting contract negotiations with the Blues whom I am sure will make him a good offer but I doubt it would be a four year deal. I would think 3 years would be their best offer.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:10am
          Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          Col – the length of the contract is the thing that would be most likely for Casboult to move – if someone was to offer him 4 years at 28 in March it would be very attractive and as you say probably beyond what the blues were willing to offer, but the blues might get around that by offering him a heavily front ended contract given their list structure.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:13am
            Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

            with respect, 4 years for Casboult sounds a bit OOT for a second string KPP.

            • July 12th 2017 @ 10:17am
              Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

              I would agree Birdman which is why I don’t think the blues would offer him that – but given the blues obvious need to keep Casboult (especially in the short term) and the capacity they have to pay contract length would be an oppositions suitors best weapon IMO.

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              July 12th 2017 @ 10:34am
              Pumping Dougie said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:34am | ! Report

              Yep, I think Vickery has set the benchmark for second stringers with 3 years, sorry, 2 years at Hawthorn.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 10:38am
                Mattician6x6 said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:38am | ! Report

                Mayne at pies would be in contention for that , anyone remember what freo received for that one?

              • July 12th 2017 @ 10:45am
                Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

                haha.

                Expecting a massive 2018 from Ty to repay the faith 🙂

              • Roar Guru

                July 12th 2017 @ 10:46am
                Cat said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

                2nd round compensation pick for Mayne

              • July 12th 2017 @ 10:55am
                Mattician6x6 said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                Well freo got overs there.

              • July 12th 2017 @ 10:58am
                Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:58am | ! Report

                Richmond got middle of second round for Vickery so they went OS as well.

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        July 12th 2017 @ 2:15pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

        While it would be handy to keep him around for the maturity stakes Macca I think the Blues would be happier with a second round comp pick than they would with the last three-four years of his career in a time where it’s not likely to contribute to a flag push. They only offered him a one-year deal last time around and haven’t made any strong indication that they want him to stay yet – reading between the lines of that, I think that both parties are aware that there’d be more benefit to both in him leaving than staying.

        Certainly if I’m reading the situation wrong and Carlton do make a strong play to retain him then I think he’d be every chance of staying.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 2:48pm
          Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

          Josh – I have no idea one way or the other but was just wondering whether you had heard something or were just reading the situation.

          The benefit for him leaving becomes the compensation – a start of second round pick or a pick just after the blues second rounder and you can see some logic, an end of second round pick and it doesn’t make much sense at all especially as McKay would be getting belted by the biggest defender each week and his development therefore being hampered.

          On the one year deal last year Levi averaged 0.9 goals per game (kicking 18.18) 5.4 marks (2.3 contested), 1.3 tackles and 9.6 disposals (67% DE) while this year he is averaging 1.5 goals per game (kicking 23.13 from 5 less games), 5.8 marks (2.5 contested), 1.6 tackles and 10.4 disposals (71.8% DE) – so at the end of last year he was challenged to prove he was worth keeping and he has risen to that challenge.

          On the strong indication – a couple of things, Levi always leaves contract negotiations until the end of the season and the blues would probably be testing the waters a little bit but I would be surprised if the didn’t offer him significant contract – whether he gets more somewhere else is another thing.

        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2017 @ 3:39pm
          Pumping Dougie said | July 12th 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

          How on earth would Levi be worth a second-round compensation pick? He’s okay, but only just. Surely nobody will pay him that much?

          • July 12th 2017 @ 3:43pm
            Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

            That’s exactly my point PD – the blues have the capacity to pay him plenty and they know that they will lose heavily if they don’t get a pick early in the second round for him (based on his value to the blues not the market) and will offer him a contract big enough to get them a compensation pick that high – I doubt another club would match or beat that contract offer.

      • July 13th 2017 @ 5:51am
        Kane said | July 13th 2017 @ 5:51am | ! Report

        We should offer him 2 years max. With a performance based clause for a 3rd

    • Roar Guru

      July 12th 2017 @ 9:09am
      Cat said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

      Jacob Hopper (Former pick #7) has halted contract talks with GWS and remains unsigned beyond this year.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 9:48am
        Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        The blues have been linked to hopper for some time.

        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2017 @ 9:58am
          Cat said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

          Goes without saying the Blues would be into a GWS player doesn’t it? They aren’t the only ones.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:11am
            Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

            Didn’t say they were the only ones, just that the had been linked.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:09am
          Birdman said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:09am | ! Report

          hey Macca, any interest in Jono O’Rourke?

          Not sure how a former GWS No 2 draft pick somehow escaped the Blues’ embrace?

          You might as well have the full set, yeah?

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:11am
            Macca said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

            I think I’ll pass thanks Birdman.

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        July 12th 2017 @ 2:17pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

        Reckon just about every vic club in the mix has been into him since the day after the draft.

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