The fans’ problem with the Wallabies isn’t the Waratahs; it’s the underperforming players

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    Michael Cheika finalised his 33-man Wallaby squad yesterday.

    Somewhat unsurprisingly, given the current nature of Australian rugby fandom, many comments were directed towards the fact that the Waratahs and Reds made up the majority of the squad despite finishing lower than the Brumbies and Western Force.

    To some it was an example of state-based bias in Australian rugby, particularly in favour of the NSW Waratahs.

    To others, however, it was an example of fans more interested in complaining about the Waratahs than the success of the Wallabies.

    What this second group do not seem to grasp is that the complaining about Waratahs is symptomatic of a deeper frustration: Cheika’s inability to recognise and rectify key problems in the Wallabies or his willingness to select his teams based on recently demonstrated form rather than form from years gone by.

    Indeed most Wallabies fans have four key frustrations with the team.

    1. Inconsistencies on overseas-bound Wallabies
    Prior to the June series Michael Cheika said overseas-bound players would be selected in the squad only if they were to be starters in the 15.

    Many fans would have said, however, that Scott Fardy was the form number 6 in Australia. Fair enough, though – Cheika sees it differently and wants to build some talent for 2019.

    He then went on to bring into the squad Rob Horne, despite his appalling 2017 Super Rugby form – and not as a starter first the second Test. He later dropped Tevita Kuridarni, one of Australia’s better-performing backs against Scotland, in favour of Horne for Italy.

    2. Inconsistencies on the importance of Super Rugby form
    Cheika explained he let Quade Cooper out of the extended Wallabies training squad due to his poor Super Rugby form, despite there being no backup flyhalf in the team.

    Meanwhile, locks Kane Douglas and Rob Simmons were brought into the squad despite not playing well enough to start for the Queensland Reds.

    Cheika justified Douglas’ selection as being about trying to get something out of him that he knew was inside.

    Well, what about what is inside Quade? We know he can be electric for the Wallabies and he was good in his limited time off the bench in June and, but while we have no other Australian flyhalf starting for a Super Rugby team, the Western Force have a number of good locks to cover Douglas.

    To say that Nick Phipps’ form in 2017 has been ordinary would be to put it mildly. He failed to nail down a consistent starting spot at the Waratahs with Jake Gordon in the time and was subsequently injured.

    Despite this and his horror international form in 2016, Phipps has been selected over better-performing halfbacks Gordon and Michael Ruru.

    Few would say that Tom Robertson has performed better than the other looseheads in Australia or that Ned Hanigan has been better than Ross Haylett-Petty or Scott Higginbotham.

    (Image: AP Photo/Alastair Grant)

    3. Exit options and kicking for touch
    It has been painfully clear since the England series that Bernard Foley does not have a long or accurate enough boot to be the primary exit or touch kicker. His exits routinely either do not go out or find only the 22. His kicking for touch is lucky to gain 20-30 metres.

    Reece Hodge and Dane Haylett-Petty both have howitzers, and in Haylett-Petty’s case his boot is very accurate as well.

    For a few matches last year Hodge took over the touch finding duty and immediately the Wallabies started gaining 40 to 50 metres off penalties. Soon afterwards, however, Foley was back to sole kicking duties.

    No single moment summed this up better than when Foley was yellow-carded in June against Scotland. Haylett-Petty kicked for touch and took the team from well within their own side of halfway to well inside Scotland’s 22.

    The flyhalf does not need to be the designated kicker. Foley can remain as flyhalf and give up the primary kicking duties. Why has Cheika not made this happen?

    4. Set-piece woes
    Cheika’s unwillingness to pick three primaries and one secondary jumper in the line-out has been a thorn in the side of the team since the 2015 Rugby World Cup.

    However, despite the obvious necessities of more loose-forward jumpers, Cheika overlooks noted jumpers in Higginbotham and Fardy and tall-man Haylett-Petty in favour of Adam Korczyk, Jack Dempsey and Sean McMahon, despite the latter heading overseas.

    Likewise Tom Roberton’s Super Rugby scrummaging should mean that he is not considered for the Wallabies until he has at least fixed this major flaw in his game.

    Unfortunately for those who do not like the complaints about Waratahs biases, Waratahs have been the ones who have primarily benefited by Cheika’s inconsistencies and downright flaws.

    I, and countless other Australian rugby fans, are Wallabies fans first and Super Rugby fans second, and we would happily see 23 Waratahs in the team if they were the best options.

    Our issue is not with the Waratahs; it is with the underperforming players in the squad and the team’s obvious weaknesses.

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    • August 6th 2017 @ 7:58am
      Ken Catchpole's Other. Leg said | August 6th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

      Fionn, you articulate a compelling case.
      I pray that Michael Cheika reads it. It would be extremely hard to argue against your points.

      I fear that we will fall on our face this year in the RC and that many will direct blame onto the lack of players, grass roots, development pathways, lack of a 3rd tier, Damocles’ sword over 2 Super sides, etc
      All fair enough, because all factors are there.

      But as Wallabies fans we want to trust that Cheika has chosen ‘the best of the best’.
      Or at least to see a consistent logic in his expression of selection power.

      But the best thing about your piece is the quelling of the idiotic challenge ‘oh you just don’t like the Waratahs’.
      I live in Sydney.
      I support the Tahs.
      And I agree with this article.

      • August 6th 2017 @ 12:09pm
        rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

        don’t mix up being confused with good sense.

        You are confused as to the why things are the way they are, which leads to frustration, which leads to bewilderment and more confusion.

        The wallabies are poor because the 5 franchises that feed them are poor.

        Whether 8 of the 34 players come form one franchise or another, whats the difference? The best players from the 5 franchises have been selected. Lets hope they an play out of their skins in their national colours.

        • August 6th 2017 @ 12:34pm
          Ruckin Oaf said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

          I”The best players from the 5 franchises have been selected.”

          Isn’t that the issue? Is Phipps really the best half from the ‘Tahs ?

          • August 6th 2017 @ 12:44pm
            rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

            yes

            after he regained the starting position he got injured for the June series, which opened the way for Gordon to join the June test squad and finish the season as the tah scrum half. Phipps was pahased back from his injury in July.

            Presumably, Phipps is back to full fitness, and if so he is easily the no 2 scrum half in the country.

            the authors stance that Phipps has been atrocious from is curious considering he’s not been playing.

            Should Gordon be selected ahead of him? Perhaps? Wouldn’t that just be another waratah? aren’t the waratahs hopeless? Kind of means so are the rebels, force and reds who all lost to the tahs this year. It just aint that simple of course.

            • August 6th 2017 @ 12:46pm
              Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

              ‘Should Gordon be selected ahead of him? Perhaps? Wouldn’t that just be another waratah? aren’t the waratahs hopeless? ‘

              Yes, Gordon (or Ruru if he wants to play for Aus) should be selected ahead of him. Almost like it isn’t an anti-Tah thing, and is more about wanting the best players regardless of which team they’re from, isn’t it?

              • August 6th 2017 @ 12:52pm
                rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                i was being facetious.

                btw Ruru has got a lot more to do to get a wallaby selection. There is just no way he is ahead of Gordon, who is behind the 3 selected already.

                this is the type of selection argument i’m on about. Ruru might well be a waalaby of the future, but hes not yet.

              • Roar Guru

                August 6th 2017 @ 10:18pm
                Timbo (L) said | August 6th 2017 @ 10:18pm | ! Report

                Tragic,

                I don’t think anyone is saying Gordon isn’t a great player and isn’t deserving of consideration as a Wallaby. Same applies to Ginea and Powel. Ruru is probably 5th on the list but worth a mention, I like Stirzaker as well. Phipps comes in an anemic 12th behind Tuttle, Meehan, Prior and even the Injured Lauwrens.

                You ask how you can judge a players form that hasn’t been playing. Easy, If they haven’t been playing their form is null and void. If they have been injured, it is Neither Good nor Bad. If they aren’t, and their coach won’t even select them, they are bad! We should only select players with current, great SR form.

                Selecting Dempsey with only 20 minutes of game time was an insult to every back rower in Australia. I think he is a great 6/8 and deserves a chance, but only after demonstrating he is worthy.

              • August 7th 2017 @ 7:22am
                Rugby Tragic Too said | August 7th 2017 @ 7:22am | ! Report

                Timbo this ideology is ridiculous.

                Coaches are entitled to select anyone they want including players coming back from injury.

                Why aren’t you criticising Kervevi’s selection? He too has come back from injury with no form to speak off as you say.

              • Roar Guru

                August 7th 2017 @ 11:41am
                Timbo (L) said | August 7th 2017 @ 11:41am | ! Report

                The coach is entitled to select anyone he wants. But it is his job to select the best team available.

                Have you ever been injured? With the exception of hand injuries there is usually a fitness loss and almost always a skills loss.

                I am entitled not to voice all of my complaints.
                Dempsey is low fruit. 20 MINUTES! Phipps barely made the starting 15.

                Kerevi has played a full season of Super rugby this year.
                And yes, I think he should play a few NRC games before he comes back.
                I had the same criticism of DHP.

            • Roar Rookie

              August 7th 2017 @ 11:21am
              piru said | August 7th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

              Presumably, Phipps is back to full fitness, and if so he is easily the no 2 scrum half in the country.

              Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or satire.

              He wouldn’t make the Force bench

              • August 7th 2017 @ 12:30pm
                Ruckin' Oaf said | August 7th 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

                He barely made the Tah’s bench 🙂

            • August 7th 2017 @ 11:53am
              Lesley Kelly said | August 7th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

              You have forgotten the Tah’s also lost to the Force.

        • August 17th 2017 @ 7:01am
          ScottD said | August 17th 2017 @ 7:01am | ! Report

          Perhaps if you read the article again you would realise that the premise is that the best players haven’t been chosen.

      • Roar Guru

        August 6th 2017 @ 12:52pm
        jeznez said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

        Agree KC, I too am aTahs man and agree with the article.

        Nice one Fionn. Have seen you repeatedly make these points through the comments. Good effort to post them in a well written article like this.

        • August 6th 2017 @ 12:54pm
          rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

          jeznez has just as little understanding of the game as you, which is why you agree with each other, that you relaly don’t know what the probelm is, but you’re angry, we once won some world cups in the 90’s, why cant that continue even if our domestic sides can’t beat any NZ opposition, so there must be a conspiracy.

          That has to be it.

          thats about it i reckon

          • Roar Guru

            August 6th 2017 @ 5:13pm
            jeznez said | August 6th 2017 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

            I’ve floated my ideas on how to fix issues and feel I’ve got a reasonable handle on what our key problems are.

            Feel free to click on my avatar and see some of the articles I’ve posted.

            You seem to just want to say the players aren’t good enough back the coaches. I’d suggest the person displaying a lack of grasp of the issues is yourself.

            The article is actually against conspiracy, it’s just saying that Cheika has blind spots.

            The promotion of the coach with the fourth worst defensive record in the comp and second worst in Oz would be a similar area of concern.

            • August 6th 2017 @ 5:33pm
              rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

              the article is a justification of nonsensical ideology that somehow cheika is deliberately selecting inferior players.

              illogical.

              if these 4 points are whats wrong with australian rugby than all is well because they are not even logical thoughts.

              the 1st two are the irrelevant justifications i mentioned.

              the 3rd is myth

              the 4th is a contradiction because of his criticism of selecting Hanigan (a noted line out man) and robertsen a very good young scrummager.

              • Roar Guru

                August 6th 2017 @ 10:40pm
                Timbo (L) said | August 6th 2017 @ 10:40pm | ! Report

                I am with you on Ned, Is isn’t a bad #6, he ticks all the boxes. But we need more than that. We need a number 6 that not only ticks the boxes fills out the form in goats blood and delivers it pinned to an opponent’s back with a pencil like a scene from Running Man.

                A prop that can’t hold up the corner of a Scrum is not a good scrummager.
                A loose forward that can’t ruck?
                A 15 that can’t kick or patrol a back line?
                An I am sure we are about to get a lightweight 12 with a so-so record in tackle defense.

                Take off YOUR blue monocle and watch a Brumbies, Force, Reds or Rebs game once in a while, there are players out there that are great at their jobs.

                Horne over Curtis Rona, Hodge, English, TK, You are kidding yourself right?
                Horn may be a good player, but there are better on offer.

                I am not a great fan of Foley but in this case, I believe he is our best choice. MacIntyre was a future prospect until Cooper returned, now he is gone. Mack Mason is all we have left. Jono Lance if he can stay off the Injured list. But FFS, give the ball to someone else to find touch.

              • Roar Guru

                August 6th 2017 @ 11:06pm
                jeznez said | August 6th 2017 @ 11:06pm | ! Report

                Nice one Timbo

              • August 7th 2017 @ 8:39am
                timber said | August 7th 2017 @ 8:39am | ! Report

                Right on the money rugby tragic.
                There’s a simple reality that dispels the reasoning behind this article.
                NZ teams – 25 wins, Australian teams – 0 wins
                Australia simply doesn’t have the talent and there’s an infinite loop of irrationality permeating Aussie rugby thinking – When the first choice players don’t perform, jump on the bandwagon of the 2nd best performing players and theorise that they would play so much better. If they are picked and fail then jump on the bandwagon of the 3rd best performing player, repeat and rinse.
                If the best performing players are kept, endlessly theorize about much better any number of obscure and ultimately untested super players would be.
                It’s a theory based on the ‘grass is always greener on the other side’ and is logically flawed when you account the dismal performances of every single Aussie Super team.

              • August 17th 2017 @ 7:05am
                ScottD said | August 17th 2017 @ 7:05am | ! Report

                The SR record is a red herring. Only 15 players can make it on the field at once
                The actual question is whether the best 15 and 7 reserves from Aus can match it against the equivalent NZ side. On the day the fact that NZ has another 30 just as good that didn’t make their team isn’t relevant.

        • August 6th 2017 @ 1:22pm
          Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Cheers, mate. Good luck to the team in the RC. Hopefully Cheika pulls through and makes this article look silly, eh?

          • August 6th 2017 @ 5:27pm
            Ruckin' Oaf said | August 6th 2017 @ 5:27pm | ! Report

            Here’s hoping, wouldn’t bet the house on it though.

            • August 6th 2017 @ 5:41pm
              rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

              nor should you.

              has the 2017 super rugby season proved we should have high hopes?

              we shouldn’t but that doesn’t mean the coach and the playesr selected aren’t the best men for the job.

              • Roar Guru

                August 6th 2017 @ 10:47pm
                Timbo (L) said | August 6th 2017 @ 10:47pm | ! Report

                But if you use common sense and observation, we don’t have a good coach.
                I concede, he may have selected the best players for his game plan but his plan stinks.

                “We don’t practice our kicking and chasing much” He’s not even playing the same league as the AB’s, England, Ireland and Scotland, And with nonsense comments like that, it feels like perhaps it is not even the same game.

                Pick our best rugby players and get them to play rugby. The formula is simple.

              • August 7th 2017 @ 8:51am
                In brief said | August 7th 2017 @ 8:51am | ! Report

                Huh? We don’t have a good coach???? Thanks cyclops. Our bad coach won a title with Leicester, won a title with the Waratahs and got to the final of the World Cup. Our bad coach came within a whisker of beating the All Blacks at Eden Park last year. You guys need to stop blowing smoke rings at each other and learn to think for yourselves.

              • August 7th 2017 @ 9:09am
                timber said | August 7th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

                “Our bad coach came within a whisker of beating the All Blacks at Eden Park last year”

                You mean the 37-10 thrashing?
                That’s plain delusional.

              • August 7th 2017 @ 9:57am
                Charlie Turner said | August 7th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

                27 points difference will seem like a “whisker” after this year.

    • August 6th 2017 @ 8:17am
      bigbaz said | August 6th 2017 @ 8:17am | ! Report

      Yep, says it all.

      • August 6th 2017 @ 8:21am
        Kris Chapman said | August 6th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

        +1

      • August 6th 2017 @ 1:39pm
        Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

        Cheers lads (or lasses, as the case may be), I appreciate it.

    • August 6th 2017 @ 8:41am
      Blindsid3 said | August 6th 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

      Great summary. But you left out the elephant in the room – Hooper.

      What makes anybody think that the remarkable leader Hooper will be able to lead and motivate the Wallabies when many of them are the very same “idiots” (Hoopers word) who “won’t listen to (him)”.

      • August 6th 2017 @ 12:16pm
        rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

        as opposed to the other candidates that have led their aussie sides to success and glory?

        of whom do you speak pray tell?

      • August 6th 2017 @ 1:25pm
        Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

        Blindsid3, I wanted Adam Coleman or TPN to be made captain, and I then thought that TPN, Coleman or Ala’alatoa would be excellent VC options.

        However, it is what it is. I think all we can do now is hope that Hooper proves us doubted wrong.

    • August 6th 2017 @ 8:55am
      Waxhead said | August 6th 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

      Totally agree Fionn.
      Good article imo 🙂

      • August 6th 2017 @ 1:14pm
        Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

        Thanks mate, I appreciate it.

      • August 6th 2017 @ 1:14pm
        rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

        yes indeed

        would have been better if it had kept its original title quoting Anchorman

        ‘LOUD NOISES’

    • Roar Guru

      August 6th 2017 @ 8:59am
      PeterK said | August 6th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

      Fionn – good article.

      A small point, no selection or omission is as black and white as you paint i.e all about super rugby form or whatever statement is pointed to.

      As an example is QC, he didn’t get dropped due to super rugby form, his form needed to be very good to force his way in. In other words other reasons were holding him back and he needed far better form to overcome those negatives.
      (as evaluated by cheika not me).

      Here are the actual quotes, not headline news stories.

      Cheika said: “From a form perspective, I don’t think his form has been brilliant, to be honest,

      “With us, it’s a bit different because I haven’t been giving him big minutes [at international level], so I can’t be saying it’s form in that way.
      “And, if we’re honest, there’s a reason why we haven’t been giving him those minutes. I have had a long talk with him yesterday and I don’t want to breach that code of coach-player by giving out too much detail, but one of the big things is for him to look like he is enjoying his footy.

      “We have had a talk about the reasons why and obviously a lot of that is trying to get him back into a space where he can be that player that’s going to get us around the park and do the stuff that we want him to do.

      “I don’t feel like that’s been happening and I feel like at a certain point I have to change things.

      See the difference

      I don’t have an issue with someone like Douglas being selected in the squad.
      The reason the only locks Coleman and Arnold played well in tests. He needs someone as a 3rd option.
      Sure RHP and Phillips were in better form, but hardly dominant form, they didn’t match up to retallick, mostert etc.

      So he has an option of picking someone he doesn’t think will match them at intl level or go back to someone he knows has. He then can see if he can lift him at training. Nothing wrong with that.

      On simmons, no issue he is in the squad, very good in contested training for coleman to outcall in lineouts. Having him in the squad will improve colemans lineout management.

      Horne, Robertson, Hanigan no defence, understanding whatso ever.
      Or on foley continuing to take long kicks.
      Foley could be retained for kicks within 25 metres of the goal line since he is very accurate in getting it in that 5 metre zone.

      • August 6th 2017 @ 9:26am
        Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 9:26am | ! Report

        Interesting quotes about it being him not enjoying his footy, because I would say that a heck of a lot of Australian Super Rugby players looked like they weren’t enjoying this season — the Force, definitely, and perhaps the Brumbies being the only exceptions.

        Thanks for bringing that to light though, I hadn’t read the quote in full.

        Cheers.

        • Roar Guru

          August 6th 2017 @ 11:50am
          PeterK said | August 6th 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report

          exactly, journos like to only have the sensational quote and leave out the rest.

          I think the main reason is cheika doesn’t think QC is doing the stuff he wants him to do, more than the lack of enjoyment.

          The lack of enjoyment is probably seen as an disabler (inhibits him) from doing what is required, ie fix this and qc will do as required.

          • August 6th 2017 @ 3:49pm
            cuw said | August 6th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

            perhaps Higginbotham is also not doing what the coach wants , Fardy too . and maybe Gill also ?

      • August 6th 2017 @ 10:08am
        Bakkies said | August 6th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

        Douglas is kak he is only trying to justify bringing him back with an ARU funded payout

        • August 6th 2017 @ 12:17pm
          rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

          hes beek kak ever since he signed with the reds, before that he was super rugby champion.

          couldn’t resist

          • August 7th 2017 @ 9:07am
            Bakkies said | August 7th 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

            He has been living off that once off ‘good’ performance like a lot of Tarts players from that squad. He was absolutely atrocious in Ireland. Was on the bench due to poor performances and ended up with a back injury. I don’t know that you could injure your back leaning on rucks.

      • August 6th 2017 @ 1:19pm
        William Tell said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

        So it ISN’T form that kept QC out after all – it was the look on his face!?!
        I have heard it all now.
        As far as I could see, the few final minutes QC was given at the fag end of internationals lifted the team and got a misfiring back line working. But as has been the case forever, one mistake that would be uncommon for any other player gets the “there he goes again” response.
        Well, it’s all down to Cheika now – he gets them to perform (smile everyone!) or, if he has any sense of the decency he failed to demonstrate while playing (according to reports in earlier editions of Roar) he should walk.

        • August 6th 2017 @ 4:41pm
          rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 4:41pm | ! Report

          not at all.

          cooper looked okay in one of the cameos and the other not.

          the issue is his super rugby form which was almost non existant all season.

          before you say it, foleys has been classy for the tahs in losing teams, and I thought Foley had some tremendous unheralded momets for the wallabies in june. scored a nice try to seal the deal v italy as perfect example, Who’s talking about that? no one

          • August 7th 2017 @ 11:13am
            Link said | August 7th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

            Foley is the 10 for the Waratahs . He just isn’t good enough to get his team over the line. A good 10 can win you games, Foley couldn`t ,or are you saying his Waratah Forwards who are Wallaby forwards didn’t help him win the games ? ..What is it that made them so bad this year ? Foley or the Waratah pack including 6 Wallabies, Hooper Hanigan Robertson Kepu Dempsey and Mumm.

            Tahs came 16th out 18 teams. 16th !!!

      • Roar Guru

        August 6th 2017 @ 10:59pm
        Timbo (L) said | August 6th 2017 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

        Sure, rugby selection is not black and white, comparing 2 more players and choose one based on their specific skills. Hanson’s Trilema – Cane, Todd or Ardie for the coveted #7 Jersey. There is no bad selection, no wrong answer. It is all about making a choice for the greater good. He is polishing the last 2 %

        But that is a diversion. Chieka is selecting players that are only proficient in less than 75% of the role they are chosen for or there are other players that consistently perform 10+% better than his picks. There is nothing grey about that.

    • August 6th 2017 @ 9:03am
      Andrew Deans said | August 6th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

      Hard to argue with much of this article. It pretty much sums up what is wrong with Wallaby/Australian rugby at the moment…

      • August 6th 2017 @ 12:17pm
        rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

        what, fans with no idea what they’re talking about?

        • Roar Guru

          August 6th 2017 @ 12:55pm
          jeznez said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

          You seem to be the Lone Ranger on this one RT

          • August 6th 2017 @ 12:57pm
            rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

            intelligence is not a consensus

            that might help explain Brexit or Trump

            • Roar Guru

              August 6th 2017 @ 5:04pm
              jeznez said | August 6th 2017 @ 5:04pm | ! Report

              Trump didn’t actually get the most votes.

              While your statement inferring that consensus doesn’t necessarily mean right is true. It doesn’t mean consensus is wrong either.

              You offering up comments along the line of DHP and Foley having similarly ranged boots is patently and obviously wrong though.

              • August 6th 2017 @ 5:39pm
                rugby tragic said | August 6th 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

                watch the RWC final closely and tell me foley has a kicking problem. (watch it first!!!) If finding terra firma almost every time you kick against one of the best fullbacks the world has ever seen is a problem than you have a point.

                DHP has a decent boot but it is not better than Foleys. Thats a myth.

                Hodge does have a massive boot but last years performances in kicking out of hand for the wallabies and the incosistencies including missing touch and being charged down badly, only showed he should not be kicking too often for the side.

                I like the idea of him coming off the bench and potentially having a few penalty shots from halfway though!

              • Roar Guru

                August 6th 2017 @ 11:21pm
                jeznez said | August 6th 2017 @ 11:21pm | ! Report

                i don’t think many if any are complaining that Foley has to kick at times in general play.

                The major complaint is that he kicks for touch off penalties when there are bigger boots with similar levels of accuracy in the squad.

                I’m bemused by your seeming inability to grasp this as an issue.

              • Roar Rookie

                August 7th 2017 @ 11:28am
                piru said | August 7th 2017 @ 11:28am | ! Report

                DHP has a decent boot but it is not better than Foleys. Thats a myth.

                Define better?

                DHP definitely has a longer kick for touch

        • August 7th 2017 @ 8:55am
          In brief said | August 7th 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

          Exactly…fans who love a whinge

      • August 6th 2017 @ 1:26pm
        Fionn said | August 6th 2017 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

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