A lack of Force weakens all Australian rugby

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    While they have provided some valid arguments, the ARU missed a fundamental aspect of why the Western Force needs to stay in the Super Rugby comp.

    It’s simple: if rugby is to grow, it needs to convert Australians to supporters of the game.

    The West has experienced significant immigration over the last 25 years, and a lot of these people came from nations with significant rugby pedigree – namely New Zealand, South Africa and the UK.

    These families settled here and produced children who have become Australians, and if left to the normal way in the West would have become AFL players and supporters.

    However, with their parents’ heritage and the strong bond that rugby creates, a lot of these children have become active in the 15-man code.

    When playing, their rugby club or school is a focal point, but if not a member of a club, then the Western Force becomes that focal point.

    Every game day, the restaurants and pubs near nib Stadium are full of supporters out in force to support their team! The ARU seems to think that West Australians will just move their support to other Australian franchises. This is not going to happen.

    With the Force gone, those immigrants will go back to supporting teams from their place of origin, likely converting their children to becoming supporters of teams that aren’t Australian – including the Wallabies. No matter how much promotion the ARU do, they will never win back the hearts and minds of those supporters.

    This decision is not just bad for West Australian rugby, it’s bad for Australian rugby as a whole.

    The only reason the Western Force membership has dropped is because we haven’t been winning enough, and the ARU are as much to blame as the Force and WARU for that. The supporters are still here but, like all supporters, they like to follow winners; they just want their team to compete strongly and win the comp once in a while!

    If rugby is to be a truly national game, then it needs to be spread around, and having four teams on the eastern seaboard is not spreading it around.

    While I do not want to get on the bandwagon of merging east coast franchises, more could have been done to reposition rugby on the east coast to make way for a team in the west.

    Think about what the game could be like in ten years if the ARU got behind the Western Force. With the help of those people that have come from nations with significant rugby playing pedigrees, rugby could become a dominant sport and not just the laggard behind AFL, NRL and A-League.

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    • August 16th 2017 @ 2:37am
      Chooks said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:37am | ! Report

      I will continue to support the Force if they survive. It doesn’t matter if it’s not in Super Rugby. I don’t care if the ARU wipe their hands of us, as long as we can go play somewhere else – even overseas.

      • August 16th 2017 @ 12:32pm
        Jo said | August 16th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

        Agree – we won’t be supporting any other Aussie team, will just revert back to the All Blacks and my kids will lose interest with no local team to support and probably play AFL

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          August 17th 2017 @ 1:55pm
          Kirky said | August 17th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

          Jo’ and Chooks!, count me in guys, this latest news is just mind blowingly bad but I won’t be budging from any Force support whatsoever either! Cheers guys!

    • August 16th 2017 @ 4:09am
      Clyde said | August 16th 2017 @ 4:09am | ! Report

      This is where Aus has it all back to front. You do not use a premier international competition to grow the game, but rather your own domestic competition.

      It is not difficult to understand, or implement. Look around, and you will see that all major rugby playing nations have their own domestic competitions.

      • August 16th 2017 @ 8:33am
        Mal said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

        The EARU is removing the Perth Spirit side after this season as well.Even though Perth won it last year.

        • August 16th 2017 @ 8:40am
          Unanimous said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

          That was Wayne Smith’s rumor. Bill Pulver also said in the press conference that they would continue.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 9:14am
            AndyS said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

            Bill Pulver has said a great many things in press conferences that have proven to be not worth the paper they were written on. What they say is meaningless against what they do.

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              August 16th 2017 @ 10:48am
              Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

              Exactly. Pulver and his cronies have no credibility. I wouldn’t believe him if he told me Perth was on the West coast. (not that he even knows there is a west coast). Get on yer bike Pulver. The sooner you’re gone the better.

              • August 21st 2017 @ 3:56pm
                Hertryk said | August 21st 2017 @ 3:56pm | ! Report

                Been a Force fan from the very beginning… I won’t support another Australian team or the Wallabies.. be sure of that ARU.. after the Perth Test (and I am wearing Blue hoping everyone else does the same!!) the ARU are not getting one cent more of my hard earned cash.. SHAME SHAME!!!

            • August 16th 2017 @ 11:23am
              Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

              Pulver’s assurances to the Force has all been proven to be lies.

        • August 16th 2017 @ 9:51am
          Stin said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

      • August 16th 2017 @ 8:39am
        Unanimous said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:39am | ! Report

        Only England and France have a domestic league as their next level below the national team. All other tier 1 nations are in the Pro14 or SR, or now both. All nations also have a domestic league as a further level down including Australia. Australia is in an 80% magority from this point of view.

        SR did once work well, and it could easily be fixed if it just did the things that most successful leagues do to maintain competitive competitions – eg unsegmented player market, competition wide salary caps, revenue sharing, etc.

    • August 16th 2017 @ 6:50am
      Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | August 16th 2017 @ 6:50am | ! Report

      Clude how many of those nations reside on the worlds largest island?

      • August 16th 2017 @ 8:10am
        Clyde said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report

        Look at the island nations of Japan and New Zealand. They have a domestic rugby competitions.

        Why not Aus?

        • August 16th 2017 @ 8:41am
          Unanimous said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

          Australia does.

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            August 16th 2017 @ 5:06pm
            sheek said | August 16th 2017 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

            NRC? Sigh…..

            • August 16th 2017 @ 9:13pm
              Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:13pm | ! Report

              Yes sheek but don’t worry.

              I totally understand that it’s a terrible competition simply because some of the teams don’t have the monikers that you want.

              They lack history. Except for the names with history, like Brisbane City, which you also dislike.

              You want some history, unless you don’t particularly like it, in which case you don’t.

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                August 17th 2017 @ 9:38am
                sheek said | August 17th 2017 @ 9:38am | ! Report

                You got it!

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                August 17th 2017 @ 11:22am
                sheek said | August 17th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

                BTW TWAS,

                If Brisbane City you refer is the same team that used to play Old Country in an annual Easter fixture, then like City vs NSW Country south of the Tweed, the metro team was always referred to as Brisbane/Sydney, or City, but almost rarely as Brisbane City, or Sydney City.

                The Sydney team for example, often played as a separate provincial team to NSW & NSW Country.

                But they were never called Sydney city, just Sydney. Much the same as Brisbane.

                Yeah I know, now I’m the one being technical!

              • August 17th 2017 @ 5:05pm
                Bakkies said | August 17th 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

                I think it is called Brisbane City as there is sponsorship from the Brisbane City Council

        • August 16th 2017 @ 11:27am
          Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

          South Africa has devalued their domestic competition, the Currie Cup in favour of the Pro 14 and Superugby. You need to chase broadcasting revenue and that comes from international interest.

        • August 16th 2017 @ 11:27am
          Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

          South Africa has devalued their domestic competition, the Currie Cup in favour of the Pro 14 and Superugby. You need to chase broadcasting revenue and that comes from international interest.

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            August 17th 2017 @ 11:24am
            sheek said | August 17th 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

            Sad Ex-Force fan,

            A wonderful competition (CC) first contested in 1889 & annual since 1968, gets trashed for the mighty dollar, or rand.

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        August 16th 2017 @ 10:50am
        Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

        The distance between Perth and Sydney is similar to the distance between London and Moscow.

        • August 16th 2017 @ 5:23pm
          Clyde said | August 16th 2017 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

          So distance excludes other sports from having a national domestic competition?

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            August 16th 2017 @ 7:50pm
            Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:50pm | ! Report

            No. It mandates that participants be spread around the nation, not all concentrated in a small part of the country.

        • August 18th 2017 @ 2:26am
          Uncle Eric said | August 18th 2017 @ 2:26am | ! Report

          Slightly incorrect CH. Moscow London is over an hour closer by plane.

    • August 16th 2017 @ 7:10am
      Waz said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:10am | ! Report

      I think using the Force in this way mixes two arguments that should be discussed separately. Participation nationally is in rapid decline and keeping the Force would not have bucked this trend.

      The debate on reversing declining participation rates and the abandonment of Perth are separate; yes I’ll agree this will do nothing to help the playing situation locally but if merely having a local team and a large ex-pat community from Rugby loving countries were enough then participation on the east cost wouldn’t be in decline would it!

      • August 16th 2017 @ 7:58am
        Bakkies said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

        Strange argument.

        WA is one place where Rugby is growing its participation rate and that hasn’t occurred just this year

        • August 16th 2017 @ 8:36am
          Waz said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

          I don’t think it is, I think it confuses two separate issues.

          The first issue is that nationally participation rates have fallen, the ARU are trying to put lipstick on the donkey here and aren’t addressing the issue. It’s nice you say WA is increasing its participation but nationally were probably looking at less than 50k people playing. Brisbane has a team but participation is falling (my local club combines teams with another club just so they can put out a team week to week). So participation needs addressing separately to Super Rugby and not get wrapped up in the same debate – if participation were falling in WA should it be used as justification to cut Force? No would be by answer ….

          Then there is the separate question over whether to cull the Force. Participation rates do not play a part in this decision, here we have a political mess not exactly of our making – Australian Rugby has become the poor cousin to NZ/SA and when the decision to cull SR teams was made it was easy to ram that decision down our throats. My personal opinion is this move not only weakens Australian Rugby but in a very short period of time will weaken Super Rugby, a situation that will only be accelerated if the two overseas expansion teams fail to establish themselves and I don’t think SANZAR have thought this through.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 8:54am
            Bakkies said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

            The figures and Geoff Stooke’s comments suggest they are going up. More than double the registered players compared to 2006 and new clubs are popping up.

            • August 16th 2017 @ 9:07am
              Waz said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

              The ARU are delusional on this. Participation means actually playing the game on the weekend to me whereas the ARU define participation as “had a rugby participation experience within a school, club, camp or event environment” … what nonsense is that? What is a “participation experience” for crying out loud? The number of registered players is the only measure that matters and is in major decline and needs addressing. Granted the axing of Force won’t make it any easier in WA but having SR teams in other states isn’t the answer either

              • August 16th 2017 @ 9:21am
                AndyS said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

                I think it is probably more the case that having a professional team doesn’t prevent participation declining, but not having a professional team guarantees it.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 11:00am
                AndyS said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

                Which, thinking further on it, is a point many people miss. The ARU thinks it is just about wins, but it isn’t. It helps, but the Waratahs won the lot recently and it proved to be worth nothing. Fans want a connection with their team, and there is a strong likelihood that the declining participation in places like NSW is a direct result of no longer feeling that connection to the Waratahs. Throw all the money you like at participation, but it will just be wasted if the kids don’t feel connected to the game.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 10:00am
                Bakkies said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:00am | ! Report

                as opposed to AFL counting Aus Kick numbers and the NRL including Tag?

              • August 16th 2017 @ 10:55am
                Waz said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                There’s part of the problem – most of the codes have got in to a numbers game and start getting creative and worse still, start to believe their own lies.

                According to the ARUs “participation experience” numbers participation is growing, se can we all relax despite what we see around us? Or that it’s okay because the cashed-up codes of NRL and AFL do it?

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                August 16th 2017 @ 11:03am
                piru said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

                Waz, you’re right regarding the numbers – does buying a pie at the canteen and watching a game constitute a ‘rugby experience’?

                I agree there are two issues here, but in Perth at least, both are intertwined to the extent that talking about one is talking about the other.

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                August 16th 2017 @ 11:03am
                piru said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

                Waz, you’re right regarding the numbers – does buying a pie at the canteen and watching a game constitute a ‘rugby experience’?

                I agree there are two issues here, but in Perth at least, both are intertwined to the extent that talking about one is talking about the other.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 12:05pm
                Perthstayer said | August 16th 2017 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

                WAZ – If I ranked my sexual participation as a youngster using similar theories as the ARU does player participation then I must have been the stud that I wasn’t.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 1:09pm
                Bakkies said | August 16th 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

                Provincial Rugby is a key player in growing participation numbers. It is the week to week window shop for Rugby to get people interested in the game and there will be flow on to more consistent support for the test side.

                It was the provinces in Ireland that grew the game and player numbers not the test team. The provinces were averaging about 4,000 (Munster, Leinster and Ulster) and Connacht 500 in the early days of the Heineken and Challenge Cups. The Heineken Cup was massive in developing local interest and then the Celtic League was formed on a week to week basis (previously it was the Welsh/Scottish League).

                The biggest growth in participation numbers is in the mins from 6 to 12, some new clubs are just set up for mini Rugby (don’t need posts and changing rooms). Kids get to see their provinces on a week to week basis, deals are done with clubs to get kids in for free and ticket prices are more than reasonable for families. Provincial jerseys are worn to training.

                Pat Lam led a big drive around Connacht with his professional team taking them to schools and clubs on their days. He often wouldn’t tell the players where they are heading on these trips. Made a big deal about it team for all five counties of Connacht not solely Galway city. Connacht grew their membership base from 500 and 5,000 in a space of a couple of years. They are looking for a bigger venue. This was a team that had its professional status threatened by the IRFU and such angst was raised at the national union there was march to headquarters.

                More local players are coming through the Connacht under age set up then ever before.

              • August 17th 2017 @ 9:53pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 17th 2017 @ 9:53pm | ! Report

                Local players like Jarrad Butler and Harley Fox?

              • August 18th 2017 @ 4:38pm
                Bakkies said | August 18th 2017 @ 4:38pm | ! Report

                ‘Local players like Jarrad Butler and Harley Fox?’

                What have they got to do with Tiernan O’Halloran, Séan O’Brien jr, Ronan Loughney, Eoin Griffin, Eoin McKeon, Dave Heffernan, Denis Buckley, John Muldoon, Caolin Blade, Jack Carty, etc? This is before we get to the academy.

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            August 16th 2017 @ 10:59am
            Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

            There are 14,000 registered players in WA and it’s growing rapidly. So rapidly that only yesterday I discovered s new club in Perth’s northern suburbs. Rugby in WA is growing so fast that the problem in Perth is not players but grounds to put them on.

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              August 16th 2017 @ 11:01am
              piru said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:01am | ! Report

              My hope is that these clubs have gotten strong enough to sustain themselves without the Force.

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                August 16th 2017 @ 12:03pm
                Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

                The Premier Grade Clubs will go on, business as usual. Just as they did before the Force. THey will continue to run their Academys. There may however be a negative effect on participation, especially on striving to get into 1st Grade if there is nothing to aim for beyond that. That was certainly the case before the Force with many quality players preferring to play in the lower grades because it was all about fun and no one cared if you missed training.

                My major concern is for the Champions Cup clubs and the many new juniors only clubs that are still developing to critical mass. If the kids or their parents decide not to play rugby because of this debacle the viability of some clubs could be threatened.

                Not the way to grow the game.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 4:12pm
                ojp said | August 16th 2017 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

                I concur with your observation here CH; I played 1st Grade for UWA in the 90’s, it was a major goal of mine to make 1st Grade, achieved it; thought to myself, great, what next ? There was no realistic prospect of moving to the east coast to further my career….I was after all, a student, with no money and an Arts Degree, so no obvious job prospects either!

                So after a season and a half of 1st grade and a stint playing ‘semi pro’ rugby in the USA, I took up Gridiron and put 10 years into that game. With the benefit of hindsight, I do not pretend that I was a realistic competitor for higher rep honours, but I would have stuck with it and tried harder if there was a pathway to ‘the next level’ and at worst, I would have been one of those blokes providing depth in the local comp, for up and comers to get experience playing with and against.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 7:16pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:16pm | ! Report

                You played gridiron in WA?

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                August 17th 2017 @ 1:35pm
                Crazy Horse said | August 17th 2017 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

                I had a similar experience. Good enough to play 1st Grade (and I like to think beyond) but when I got there I remember thinking one day “these guys actually care who wins the game” and asked to be put back with my mates in 3rd Grade and happily played there and sometimes 4ths as well until I went off to the Army.

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                August 18th 2017 @ 5:08pm
                piru said | August 18th 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

                You played gridiron in WA?

                Why so surprised TWAS?

                I play girdiron in WA, it’s reasonably popular here

              • August 19th 2017 @ 4:24pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 19th 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

                Not surprised by it mate.

                If he was happy to play gridiron in WA with no pathway then it completely contradicts his statement about why he gave up Rugby is what I was getting at.

                If it’s as popular in WA as it is in Vic and QLD I’m not surprised to hear about people playing.

            • August 17th 2017 @ 2:44pm
              andrewM said | August 17th 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

              I’ll support that – the IATWF Banner that us TWF guys made had logos for 5 clubs on it that didn’t exist 5 years ago.

      • August 16th 2017 @ 8:39am
        Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:39am | ! Report

        Without the Force rugby in WA will revert to the pre-Force years. I coached under 9s as my son played and we often did not have enough players on game day to field 15 players. At training no more than 8 will turn up, that may increase to 12 if I bribe them with ice scream – making it impossible to coach scrums and line-outs. One of those players was Richard Hardwick. In 2006 after the Force started we had enough players to field more than two sides.
        Without the Force the quality of,rugby will decline, the participation rates will decline, there will not be enough players to field teams at local clubs and children of immigrants from rugby playing nations will assimilate and follow AFL like their mates at school. Without the Force rugby will become a niche sport again without a critical mass.

        The ERU knows that they are killing rugby in WA. How much must rugby grow in QLD and NSW before it will offset the lost of 20% of the registered players. Who will fund the Future Force and how the quality continue to improve without the Perth Spirit and Force teams. If killing rugby in the state with the 3rd most registered rugby players is the answer you ask the wrong question.

        It is not worth it, the ARU Board needs to resign. They just gave Genia an $800k per year contract, enough to fund more than 10 players at the Future Force. This is enough to fund 1/3 of the Force squad for a year, wasted on a player that is past his best and IMO not better than Louwrens or Ruru. The ARU have their priorities messed up. Fix the rugby and everything else will fall in place.

        • August 16th 2017 @ 8:54am
          Waz said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

          I don’t disagree with anything your saying. Just thst the two issues should not get interwoven. We have something of a national crisis on our hands when it comes to participation which is a separate debate.

          Force should not have been cut, no team should, it’s total mismanagement by SANZAR/ARU that’s brought us here; which is a separate debate.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 9:26am
            AndyS said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:26am | ! Report

            As far as I can see, it is only a separate debate in NSW and Q’ld, where grass roots funding is separate from the professional game. In the other states they are inextricably linked – the professional team is the only means of generating the funding that they don’t get from the ARU. Which is why the Force (and presumably the Rebels) have apparently had such a big impact at the local level, and will have an equivalently destructive one in its absence.

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            August 16th 2017 @ 11:02am
            Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

            There is a participation crisis in NSW. That is not the same as a national crisis. WA is doing very nicely thank you and I believe Victoria is also showing growth, albiet from a much lower base.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 11:32am
            Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:32am | ! Report

            It illustrates the folly to use NSW perspectives to manage a national competition. The ARU just don’t get how important the Force is to the survival of the game in WA.

    • August 16th 2017 @ 7:44am
      Waxhead said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:44am | ! Report

      Brian – you have put up an absurd illogical claim with nothing to substantiate it.
      You have no idea what disaffected Force fans will do in future.
      Yes most of them are expats and children of recent immigrants but each person’s action as a fan will be personal to them and different.

      It’s not possible to predict what most Force fans will do next season.
      Hopefully most of them will still support Rugby and the Wallbies and be reasonable enough to understand it’s not Wallaby players fault or Cheika’s fault either.
      So again your article is only about you – get over it.

      • August 16th 2017 @ 8:45am
        Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        We have been here when there was no Force and no pathways to elite sport prior to 2006. What happened to rugby supporters then? Well the watched the odd game at Subi, but their children assimilated and played AFL like their mates at school. If you do not have enough players to make up a side at age groups, if there are not enough teams to form a competition, if children have to play against players three years much older the rugby interest fade away quickly.

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        August 16th 2017 @ 10:43am
        piru said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

        Waxhead – incorrect, it’s very easy to predict what most Force fans will do.

        You seem to think the fans are people none of us have met or understand

        We ARE the fans you are talking about

      • August 16th 2017 @ 3:11pm
        Perthstayer said | August 16th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

        Waxhead

        Some knowns for you:

        I am an immigrant supporter of Force. I know many immigrants supporters. If Force go then why would we support another Aussie SR team?

        Another known is fan base will fall. Current generation are likely to hold on but as has been stated ad nausea it is the growth rate of new fans that would be lost, and this will only accelerate.

        “So again the article is only about you”…..Confronting tone without facts is ignorance.

        • August 17th 2017 @ 7:47am
          Waxhead said | August 17th 2017 @ 7:47am | ! Report

          Have you done a representative survey of the views and opinions of Force fans – No.
          Have you met and spoken to most Force fans – No.

          Disaffected Force fans don’t have to support any Super Rugby team in future to remain Wallaby fans.
          Or they can support the Stormers or Sharks next year and still be Wallaby fans.
          This article is based on zero and is no more than 1 man’s opinion.

          • August 17th 2017 @ 8:47am
            Ex force fan said | August 17th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

            Tell him he is dreaming.

      • August 18th 2017 @ 10:54pm
        iSteve said | August 18th 2017 @ 10:54pm | ! Report

        I am a die hard rugby fan I’ve played rugby all through school and understand it well. I’ve never played a game of soccer, afl or league. I was a Wallabies supporter before the Force existed but I feel totally betrayed by the ARU and their mismanagement of the game nationally. I totally agree with the sentiment in the article and I can also categorically say that while it will be difficult I will not be supporting the Wallabies until such time Western Australia are shown a great deal more respect from waxheads like you.

    • August 16th 2017 @ 8:15am
      Jules said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:15am | ! Report

      You don’t get it WA fans will not support the ARU for many years to come. We will not forget and you will loose the next generation as well because I will not be introduces rugby union to my children when they are old enough..

      • August 16th 2017 @ 11:48am
        Realist said | August 16th 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

        Don’t worry Jules,
        No tears will be shed by us East Coasters that your kids won’t play rugby. Before we were saddled by your money-hoovering, lousy Perth team, we managed to collect a couple of World Cups and every piece of silverware there is in the game.
        Two strong states is better than 5 flacid ones dying on the vine.
        Now stop your moaning and get behind the Rebels or hit the bricks

        • Roar Rookie

          August 16th 2017 @ 12:01pm
          piru said | August 16th 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

          Do you get beaten up a lot in real life?

          • August 16th 2017 @ 7:20pm
            milan said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:20pm | ! Report

            realist, well said.

            Piru the bully has responded in his typical fashion

            • August 16th 2017 @ 7:56pm
              Jacko said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:56pm | ! Report

              Its funny Milan because Piru has been on this forum for as long as i can remember and pretty much all of his posts are intellegent contributions to the posted articles and he has a genuine love for the game of rugby…Unlike yourself who is jonny-come-lately and has had nothing intelegent to add at all…….Realist is about as clever as you are…

              • August 16th 2017 @ 9:48pm
                milan said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:48pm | ! Report

                hey wacko jacko, is this the same wacko jacko who was intelligent enough to bring family into this the other day.

                anyway good to see that you are holding poor pirus hands for him and defending the poor soul.

                remember that the roar should be for people to express their opinions, no matter if they are polarising and not to be shouted down by the likes of you, Piru, Craz horse and Bakkies.

                Just because our opinions do not match yours does not mean we do not have a place here.

                Take it on board and sort it out

              • Roar Rookie

                August 18th 2017 @ 11:12am
                piru said | August 18th 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

                Cheers Jacko

                I tend to respond in kind

                If someone is interested in a genuine conversation I’ll treat them with the respect and consideration they deserve.

                If someone posts negative, childish rubbish, I also treat them with the respect and consideration they deserve (ie none).

                I blame the facebooks

        • August 16th 2017 @ 12:53pm
          Selector said | August 16th 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

          Is this a real statement by an actual human???

          Let’s go back and put everything the way it was in the 90’s…. That is guaranteed to fix all the problems of Australian Rugby.
          .. While we’re at it.. maybe we can build a wall so those pesky Westerners can’t come over and taint Eastern Rugby..

          • Roar Pro

            August 16th 2017 @ 8:01pm
            Crazy Horse said | August 16th 2017 @ 8:01pm | ! Report

            They’ll still want WAs money though.

            • Roar Rookie

              August 16th 2017 @ 9:44pm
              Kirky said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:44pm | ! Report

              Horse, ~ And players mate!, they’re leeches, rubbish the Force for years then all of a sudden they’re good guys as they try their level best to get hold of their players, I hope they and their Coach go out of Aussie altogether and leave those sad and sorry basket cases to their own problems they’ve had for years!

        • August 16th 2017 @ 1:12pm
          MitchO said | August 16th 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

          Participation is falling in NSW as kids are going to AFL. It is starting from a high base but it is bleeding to death. So eventually there’ll only be a small talent pool in NSW and Qld when a contribution from WA and Victoria (and NT and Tassie and South Australia) is more important than ever.

          • Roar Rookie

            August 16th 2017 @ 10:05pm
            Kirky said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

            Mitch O, who do you Tahs and Reds guys think you are?, one of you got second to bottom and the other got third to bottom, you’re has beens mate and have never been much good for years! ~ and you and everywhere else but your patches expect the guys from the West to subsidise you hopeless lot who have had a continual flow of excessive funding from the ARU and you still lose!!

            The teams that should have got the heave is the Waratahs or the Reds, they’re losers and money suckers going nowhere!

        • August 16th 2017 @ 1:43pm
          Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

          You must be on the ARU Board with that narrow view of the rugby world.

        • August 17th 2017 @ 2:50pm
          andrewM said | August 17th 2017 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

          And that Gentlemen, is why rugby in this rugby is screwed

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