Geelong home final comes down to fairness versus revenue: Scott

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    Geelong coach Chris Scott has ramped up the pressure on the AFL to allow the Cats to host home finals at their Simonds Stadium fortress.

    The Cats enjoy a strong home-field advantage at the ground but would likely only be allowed to host a final there if they are slated to meet Greater Western Sydney.

    Few, if any, of the fledgling club’s supporters would be unable to get tickets to a final at the 34,000-seat venue.

    But it would be a different story if the Cats faced a big-drawing Victorian opponent, with such a match-up almost certainly to be scheduled at the MCG.

    “The finals are absolutely run by the AFL … and we respect that,” Scott said on Thursday.

    “But at some point … I think it would be an interesting one to ask the question ‘do we as a competition prioritise the integrity and fairness of the competition above things like attendance and revenue?’

    “And if we don’t then that’s OK.

    “(But) let’s just be honest about it and say ‘we understand that we are doing something that is not fair, but we don’t care because we prioritise attendance and revenue’.”

    The third-placed Cats can still claim a top-two finish or slip out of the top four altogether with two rounds left in the home-and-away season.

    Geelong take on Collingwood at the MCG on Saturday and will regain important midfielder Mitch Duncan from suspension, with ruckman Rhys Stanley (calf) also set to take his place in the side.

    The Pies are out of finals contention, but Scott said his team can ill-afford a slip-up and must keep their focus on this week and not their looming finals campaign.

    “I think, at times, everyone dreams about what’s possible in September, but the real pros get back to the job at hand,” he said.

    “We’re not going in just expecting to win the game – we need to play at our absolute best to beat this opposition. Their best this year has been very good.

    “If we go into the game hoping for their worst we’ll get pantsed I reckon.”

    Joel Selwood continues to make strong progress towards a return for week one of the finals, but Scott conceded they will know more about his chances of playing in the finals at the bye round.

    © AAP 2018

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    • August 17th 2017 @ 7:19pm
      Ditto said | August 17th 2017 @ 7:19pm | ! Report

      When they were refurbishing Symonds Stadium, why didn’t they make it such that it could hold 50,000 and widen the ground? It would then be a suitable afl venue.

      • Roar Guru

        August 17th 2017 @ 7:43pm
        Cat said | August 17th 2017 @ 7:43pm | ! Report

        No room to widen it. To change dimensions you’d need to build from scratch anyway, can’t do it section by section. Whats wrong with a 36k capacity that will be 40k after stage 5 is complete?

        So you are saying that Metricon, Spotless, Manuka Oval, both Tassie grounds, TIO and others with less than 50k capacity are not ‘suitable AFL venues’?

        • August 17th 2017 @ 7:59pm
          saywhat said | August 17th 2017 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

          Chris Scott’s always got something to whine about!

        • August 17th 2017 @ 8:27pm
          Ditto said | August 17th 2017 @ 8:27pm | ! Report

          Why didn’t they start from scratch ?

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            August 17th 2017 @ 9:38pm
            Cat said | August 17th 2017 @ 9:38pm | ! Report

            Money for one. Two where would the team play for the couple years it would take to demo one and build another?

            • August 17th 2017 @ 11:00pm
              Mattyb said | August 17th 2017 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

              I think this is a great topic for discussion. Personally I think home finals should be home state finals as opposed to home ground games,Docklands sides should play finals at the G.In the home and away Geelong should be playing 11 games at Kardinya Park if that’s what they choose,I think though Geelong has the best of both worlds,the biggest advantage in the league,and good luck to them,a home ground advantage while getting games at the GF venue.
              If the mighty cats are playing non Victorian clubs in a final and they choose to play at the Cattery I think that has merit,I do question why though considering the advantage offered to Geelong in the grander scale.
              We need to seriously think about the growth of the game and the depth of all these issues,a really good discussion for the national game.
              Geelong is taking a huge risk with the finances of this ground,they need to be supported for these risks or we are going to have the Princess Park story all over again.

              I do love the romantic suburban ground story being an old VFL dude,except for the begging conclusion of the old VFL.

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                August 18th 2017 @ 7:13am
                Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 7:13am | ! Report

                So then GWS and Swans have to play at ANZ, GC and Lions have to play at Gabba. And all Vic teams at the MCG. Sure is an even bigger advantage for those teams that call the biggest ground in their state home.

                … the biggest advantage in the league …

                Please explain.

            • August 18th 2017 @ 7:58am
              Ditto said | August 18th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

              Why do they have to build in the same spot?

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                August 18th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                Where else is ther?

          • August 17th 2017 @ 11:35pm
            Mattyb said | August 17th 2017 @ 11:35pm | ! Report

            Ditto,what do you mean by scratch? Have you ever been to the old Kardinya Park as opposed to the new venue? Plenty of scratch. The new Perth venue is from scratch,and they will obsorb that,but it will effect the old Subi and even the WACA long term. Adelaide has done it well and so has Geelong all things considered. Kardinya Park is a great venue.Unique ground sizes are great for people who love to play football.

            • August 18th 2017 @ 8:06am
              Mattyb said | August 18th 2017 @ 8:06am | ! Report

              Gene,I thought the best of both worlds part you left out of the quote explained why they have the biggest advantage,and good luck to them. 7 or 8 home games while also playing a good number of games at the GF venue is a good situation for the cats. StKilda for example only played their first game for year at the MCG last week. While we have the fixed GF venue situation,getting games on the ground during the year is a good thing.
              I’m happy with a horses for courses situation with the finals venue.

              Anyway,I’m reluctant to have discussions with people when their own club is involved,many lack the skills to look outside bias and can get uneccassarally precious. I don’t think the dogs should be playing finals at Docklands for example, and the 2015 final against Adelaide was the right call by the league.

              • Roar Guru

                August 18th 2017 @ 8:34am
                Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

                How about the two games a year the Cats have been forced to play at Etihad as ‘home games’ how does that benefit the club? Keep in mind Geelong loses approximately $700,000 for every game they are forced to play at Etihad.

                The first part of a grand final, and the part you seem to be overlooking, is actually being able to qualify to play in the grand final. To that end why should Hawthorn and Collingwood ALWAYS be the defacto home side? Why do Carlton and North Melbourne get to play ‘away’ at their own home grounds against Geelong?
                Geelong is highly disadvantaged having to play up to 4 ‘home’ games at an opponents home ground.

    • August 17th 2017 @ 8:56pm
      Peter said | August 17th 2017 @ 8:56pm | ! Report

      Any time I see anything about the Scott brothers, they’rè having a whinge!

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      August 18th 2017 @ 12:45am
      anon said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:45am | ! Report

      As much as the Scott brothers squeal, he actually has a point.

      I respect Geelong for making the massive commitment in redeveloping Kardinia Park. They’re the only one of 10 Victorian teams to have a legitimate home ground.

      The rest took the easy way out. Hawthorn went as far as selling valuable home games to Tasmania. Their supporters should see this as treasonous. Like Manchester United playing home games in Dublin for cash.

      If Geelong wants every home game and every final at their home ground they should get it.

      There are 9 McDonald’s franchises and one real team in Victoria. Good on Geelong for creating something that actually represents their community.

      • August 18th 2017 @ 8:50am
        Deir-ba-zor said | August 18th 2017 @ 8:50am | ! Report

        I don’t know, Aurora stadium proved to be a pretty good fortress.

      • August 18th 2017 @ 11:46am
        Birdman said | August 18th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

        and I doubt Hawthorn’s 9,000 Tasmanian members see it as treacherous.

        BTW Geelong are not the only Vic club to be forced to play ‘home games’ at Etihad.

    • August 18th 2017 @ 8:40am
      Peter T said | August 18th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

      Pretty funny how people take the time to whinge about the scott brothers whinging!!

    • Roar Guru

      August 18th 2017 @ 10:46am
      Penster said | August 18th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

      Chris Scott is a complete flog doing his job in attempting to secure every advantage for his team. But if members from both clubs can’t get tickets to a final because of capacity, then it’s no longer in the interests of “fairness and integrity” to have the final at Kardinia when there’s the MCG & Ethiad 75kms away.

      • Roar Guru

        August 18th 2017 @ 11:23am
        Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

        What does fans not getting seats have to do with the fairness of which team earned home ground advantage? That’s right nothing at all. That’s purely caring about attendance numbers

        • August 18th 2017 @ 11:47am
          Birdman said | August 18th 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

          in the best interests of the game IMHO

          • Roar Guru

            August 18th 2017 @ 12:27pm
            Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

            Is lining pockets with additional money more important than giving the team the home ground advantage they earned? Is that really ‘in the best interests of the game’?

        • Roar Guru

          August 18th 2017 @ 12:03pm
          Penster said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

          Fans attending matches has EVERYTHING to do with footy. Seriously Cat, you’re usually more erudite than that.

          • Roar Guru

            August 18th 2017 @ 12:24pm
            Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

            Has nothing to do with the fairness of the match.

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              August 18th 2017 @ 12:35pm
              Seano said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

              I’m with Cat, the cats deserve to play there final at home. Even if it’s against the bombers or the pies. Too bad if you can’t get a ticket finals is finals.

              Any clubs that complain should do some amazing work and get the cash to build there own.

              I would be happy with a new 49,000 seat windy hill.

            • August 18th 2017 @ 3:02pm
              Birdman said | August 18th 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

              Cat, would you be happy to miss out on a ticket to a Cats home final at Kardinia?

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                August 18th 2017 @ 3:11pm
                Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

                I won’t miss out but yes if it was a choice between my club having their home field advantage or me having a seat, I’d gladly give up my seat every single time. I’d rather my club have the advantage they earned than me have a seat.
                My club’s potential success is far more important to me than me seeing the game in person.

    • August 18th 2017 @ 12:19pm
      King Bob said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

      Teams deserve to have Home games regardless of the ground size.
      This was demonstrated last year with GWS vs Dogs Prelim at Spotless with 22,000 spectators.
      AFL clubs need to speak up against the unfair treatment by the AFL which puts Money ahead of Fairness.

      • August 18th 2017 @ 12:38pm
        truetigerfan said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

        Alienate the fans who go week in week out? Not a good idea. Hard enough for members to get finals tickets, certainly GF tickets, as it is.

        • Roar Guru

          August 18th 2017 @ 12:46pm
          Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

          Its actually quite easy to get tickets (I’ve already got mine lined up for whatever games the Cats will play). All you have to do is plan ahead. Like many things in life – first in best dressed.

          • Roar Guru

            August 18th 2017 @ 1:10pm
            AdelaideDocker said | August 18th 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

            You a member of the Cats?

            • Roar Guru

              August 18th 2017 @ 1:25pm
              Penster said | August 18th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

              It’s safe to assume Gene is a member of the Cats, up there with death and taxes.

              • Roar Guru

                August 18th 2017 @ 1:32pm
                AdelaideDocker said | August 18th 2017 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

                Haha, yeah I realised how obvious the answer was just after I asked.

            • Roar Guru

              August 18th 2017 @ 1:29pm
              Cat said | August 18th 2017 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

              I am.

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