All the AFL trade rumours you need to know for 2017

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    Richmond’s grand final win on Saturday has brought 2017 to a close, but now the silly season is just four days away as free agency opens on Friday.

    For those of you like me who love this time of year it’s an exciting prospect as we look forward to seeing what moves the eighteen clubs make to take a step further in 2018.

    This is a crucial time of year. Last October Richmond traded in three mature players in Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Toby Nankervis. I gave them an A+ in my trade period report card, and two days ago they all became premiership players for the club.

    There’s always plenty of rumour and innuendo in the lead-up to trade time, and here I’ve put together all the most pertinent rumours, club-by-club, on who is set to swap guernseys this offseason.

    You can also keep up to date with all the latest news on our trade rumours page, which will be updated live throughout the next three weeks.

    Of course, don’t take anything here as gospel! The trade period always throws us a few curveballs and I’m sure there are plenty to come in 2017.

    AFL list management series
    18 – Brisbane Lions
    17 – Gold Coast Suns
    16 – Carlton Blues
    15 – North Melbourne Kangaroos
    14 – Fremantle Dockers
    13 – Collingwood Magpies
    12 – Hawthorn Hawks
    11 – St Kilda Saints
    10 – Western Bulldogs
    9 – Melbourne Demons
    8 – Essendon Bombers
    7 – Port Adelaide Power
    6 – West Coast Eagles
    5 – Sydney Swans
    4 – GWS Giants
    3 – Geelong Cats

    Adelaide Crows

    Charlie Cameron – Reportedly wants to move home to Queensland, with the Brisbane Lions his likely destination. However, coach Don Pyke bristled at suggest he could leave, insisting that he’ll stay and see out his contract. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Jake Lever – Set to request a trade to Melbourne by all reports. Adelaide reportedly want two first-round picks in return, but Melbourne have only offered a first and a second. Collingwood may try to swoop on the deal with a better offer. Out of contract.

    Jake Lever Adelaide Crows AFL 2016

    (AAP Image/Ben Macmahon)

    Brisbane Lions

    Michael Close – May get some interest from Collingwood and other clubs. Out of contract.

    Stefan Martin – Rumoured to be interested in a trade home to Victoria. Contracted until the end of 2019.

    Tom Rockliff – Looks like to leave the Lions. Port Adelaide or Carlton seem to be his most likely destinations, with the Power probably leading the race. Has also previously been linked to Adelaide and Geelong, and could still decide to remain at Brisbane. Restricted free agent.

    Josh Schache – Despite him re-signing with the Lions earlier in the year, rumours about him still potentially being traded have not gone away. Collingwood and Western Bulldogs reportedly the clubs interested after Richmond ruled themselves out. Contracted until the end of 2019.

    Carlton Blues

    Bryce Gibbs – Expected to again seek a trade to Adelaide after Carlton refused to let him go last year. Contracted until the end of 2019.

    Bryce Gibbs Carlton Blues AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Joe Castro)

    Collingwood Magpies

    Alex Fasolo – Despite reported interest from the West Coast Eagles, seems likely to stay at Collingwood. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Essendon Bombers

    None.

    Fremantle Dockers

    Harley Balic – Has officially requested a trade home to Victoria. Linked with Melbourne, but he won’t be their number one priority. Out of contract.

    Zac Clarke – Future uncertain at Fremantle so will likely take an offer from elsewhere if any is forthcoming. Unrestricted free agent.

    Hayden Crozier – Expected to join the Western Bulldogs via trade. Out of contract.

    Matt Taberner – Will likely take an opportunity elsewhere if there is any interest. Out of contract.

    Geelong Cats

    Darcy Lang – Doesn’t appear likely to get a new contract at Geelong and so will be open to a move elsewhere, perhaps to Gold Coast as part of the Gary Ablett deal. Out of contract.

    Daniel Menzel – Geelong have offered him a one-year deal that would be a paycut on his 2017 season, so he will consider his options. Unrestricted free agent.

    Steven Motlop – Port Adelaide, Adelaide and West Coast the three clubs with serious interest him, and he seems likely to move with Geelong not making any effort to retain him. Was previously linked with North Melbourne and Richmond, but these connections have gone cold. Restricted free agent.

    Gold Coast Suns

    Gary Ablett – Has officially requested a trade to Geelong. Gold Coast say they need to bring in a best 22 player to be convinced to let him go. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Gary Ablett Gold Coast Suns AFL 2016

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    Aaron Hall – Has reportedly been placed on the trade table by the Suns, will surely draw interest if so. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Brandon Matera – Has had a medical at Fremantle and will join them during the trade period. Out of contract.

    Trent McKenzie – Some interest in him from Essendon. Out of contract.

    Tom Nicholls – May move clubs after falling out of favour this year. Bulldogs have shown interest in the past. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Adam Saad – Reportedly looking at a move home to Victoria, with Carlton and Essendon interested. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Matt Shaw – Said to be on the trade table, with Carlton reportedly interested. Out of contract.

    Rory Thompson – Hawthorn interested in his services and Gold Coast amy be open to a deal, though his manager says a trade is unlikely. Contracted until the end of 2019.

    GWS Giants

    Ryan Griffen – Some talk he could be traded to Carlton to make salary cap room as part of a larger deal, similar to the Rhys Palmer deal last year. However his management say he’ll stay at GWS. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Matthew Kennedy – Has officially requested a trade to Victoria, with Carlton reportedly leading the race for his services. Out of contract.

    Devon Smith – Has officially requested a trade to Victoria, with Carlton reportedly leading the race for his services, but has also been linked to Essendon, Geelong, Hawthorn and Collingwood. Out of contract.

    Heath Shaw – Giants have reportedly told him to ‘consider his future’. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Nathan Wilson – Has officially requested a trade to Fremantle. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Hawthorn Hawks

    Taylor Duryea – The Hawks are reportedly open to letting him go, but a suitor hasn’t yet emerged. Unrestricted free agent.

    Billy Hartung – Future uncertain at the Hawks and may attract interest from elsewhere. Out of contact.

    Luke Hodge – More likely than not will come out of retirement to play for the Brisbane Lions next year. Brisbane say they are confident he will. Unrestricted free agent.

    (Photo by Justine Walker/AFL Media)

    Paul Puopolo – Was linked to a move to GWS earlier in the year, but this has gone a bit quiet. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Tyrone Vickery – Hawthorn reportedly want to move him on after just a year at the club, but it’s hard to imagine there being any serious interest. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Melbourne Demons

    Jack Watts – Looks set to the leave Melbourne this offseason, has met with Port Adelaide but there is reportedly also interest from Essendon and Sydney. Contracted until the end of 2019.

    North Melbourne Kangaroos

    Aaron Mullett – Has reportedly been told by the club that he should look elsewhere. Out of contract.

    Braydon Preuss – Some talk going around that with North set to retain Todd Goldstein, he might be the target of other clubs. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Port Adelaide Power

    Brendon Ah Chee – Gold Coast, West Coast and Fremantle all possible destinations if he chooses to move elsewhere for more opportunity, but it’s not clear if any clubs will offer him a deal and his AFL career may be over. Out of contract.

    Jarman Impey – Both Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn reportedly interested in his services. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Jackson Trengove – Set to sign with the Western Bulldogs, has reportedly told teammates he is leaving. Restricted free agent.

    Aaron Young – Gold Coast reportedly interested in him. Out of contract.

    Richmond Tigers

    Reece Conca – Likely to request a trade home to WA. Out of contract.

    Ben Lennon – Will likely be open to a trade again this year after looking for one last year. Hasn’t gotten more opportunity despite starring at VFL level. Out of contract.

    Anthony Miles – All but certain to move to a new club after falling out of favour at Richmond. Sydney said to have some interest. Out of contract.

    St Kilda Saints

    None.

    Sydney Swans

    Allir Allir – Despite reported interest from Fremantle, Sydney say he isn’t on the trade table. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Kurt Tippett – Despite rumours to the contrary, Sydney have publicly said he isn’t on the trade table. This may change if the Swans pick up Jack Watts. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    West Coast Eagles

    Andrew Gaff – Some talk that he could be targeted by clubs in Victoia, with St Kilda, Hawthorn and Essendon all potentially interested. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Andrew Gaff West Coast Eagles AFL

    (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Tom Lamb – Although he is reportedly happy at West Coast, he may seek a trade regardless in search of greater opportunities. Out of contract.

    Chris Masten – Has fallen out of favour at West Coast and will surely be open to a move elsewhere if anyone club is willing to take a punt on him, but that seems unlikely. Contracted until the end of 2019.

    Western Bulldogs

    Stewart Crameri – Only played two games this year, hasn’t been offered a new contract by the Dogs and seems unlikely to get one. He has been linked to Collingwood or even a return to Essendon. Out of contract.

    Luke Dahlhaus – Opposition clubs reportedly believe he is gettable with the right trade offer. Contracted until the end of 2018.

    Mitch Honeychurch – May look for more opportunity at another club. Out of contract.

    Jake Stringer – Both Geelong and Essendon have been floated as his preferred destination, but his future is unclear after scandalous details about his past were recently made public. Also linked to St Kilda, Collingwood, North Melbourne. Richmond met with him but have publicly ruled themselves out of the race. Could still remain at the Bulldogs if a suitable alternative doesn’t arise, but that seems unlikely. Contracted until the end of 2018.

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    • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:34am
      fractalpixie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

      There is some talk that Dahlhaus will be at Geelong. Stringer, and Devon Smith are likely to be at Geelong. Gary Ablett Jnr is a certainty.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:53am
        Kane said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

        They wouldn’t have the draft picks to get that done i wouldn’t have thought.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:03pm
          Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

          Geelong could use compo picks from Menzal and Motlop and trade next years first again,they’ll have currency come trade time if other deals fall into place. Very unlikely they get all those players though unless they trade someone out.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:46pm
            Callen said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

            I think I read somewhere that Geelong are not allowed to trade next years first round-under the rules of the future trading. I could be wrong though.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 6:59pm
              Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

              Callen,your right but the rule your thinking begins in 2019,hope tha clarifies.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:57am
        Andrew said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:57am | ! Report

        Dreaming, no chance they will get all of them. And I’m a cats supporter.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 6:09pm
          Don Freo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 6:09pm | ! Report

          They’ll easily get it done if they trade out Dangerwood.

    • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:55am
      Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

      Josh,Dahlhaus is contracted until 2018 but it does appear he is being shopped around along with Biggs whose also contracted. Going by that it wouldn’t be hard to imagine Libba is also being shopped around,I really hope all 3 stay and lift their game a bit off field,if reports are true.
      Look forward to the Dogs getting Trengrove,hopefully to play back,not fussed either way on Crozier but maybe worth a list spot, Not overly keen on Impey.I hope the dogs have a look at Tabaner as well as Schache.
      The player the dogs should really look at is Gaff,he would suit us perfectly and we need one of those outside soft running players. Should be able to have the currency if we trade out Stringer. Hopefully Stringer still has some value,originally I hoped it could be worked out but enough is enough really,I’d take third rounder now,I can’t imagine him ever having much of a clue about anything that doesn’t involve himself. It’s really sad but some people are just like that and while they love the fame it really just doesn’t suit them.

      Would love Carlton to get Bryan Grillen in a GWS trade just for the laughs. Would make every Bulldogs fans day to not only see Carlton waste another list spot,but to see Judas Grillen finish his career in the reserves of a bottom side. He will actually be a good fit though running alongside other prized recruits Palmer and Thomas.

      • Roar Guru

        October 2nd 2017 @ 12:35pm
        Col from Brissie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

        Matty, who is this Bryan Grillen? I am sure Carlton are not looking at taking Ryan Griffin as a solo pick but if they have to take him in a multi deal with GWS to get Kennedy and Smith then so be it. If GWS are adamant that Carlton have to take Griffin so they can get him off their salary cap then Carlton would then have some bargaining power in any trade. He stays for 1 year on minimum money and then he is gone – no harm done.

        Interesting that you refer to him as a Judas yet if he didn’t go then you don’t get your premiership hero Tom Boyd. Was Crameri a Judas when he left Essendon for the Bulldogs or just money hungry? Players leave clubs all the time – that is why they call it ‘trade week’.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:23pm
          Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

          Col,I have no issue with players leaving,like Ward for example,or even Jones. I think most people nowadays are cool with the player movement thing.
          Gritten is a whole different kettle of fish,I found his behaviour distasteful,and unbecoming for a captain,I just thought it went a bit above and beyond.
          The Boyd issues entirely seperate,just made the best of a bad situation.
          Anyway,I hope you enjoy his services if you can acquire him,and it’s great the blues think the bottom half of their list is so strong that it can keep adding to the list of players who still need to be delisted in the next couple of seasons,in the persuit of bargains
          To be fair to Gribben though,ive thought he has some serious back issues,I even thought this towards the end of his time at the dogs.
          I think you’ll find most dogs supporters have little time for Groffon,which is our right.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 2:19pm
            Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

            Mattyb – “it’s great the blues think the bottom half of their list is so strong that it can keep adding to the list of players who still need to be delisted in the next couple of seasons,in the persuit of bargains” – it is exactly because the blues know the bottom half of their list ISN’T strong that these players are brought in.

            Taking the likes of Palmer and Griffin a) make trading in the likes of Marchbank, Pickett, Smith & Kennedy possible and b) improve the bottom half of our list by replacing a pick 100 plus 18 yo draftee with an experienced AFL player.

            It’s pretty obvious and clever trading if you bother to think about it.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:45pm
            Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

            Andrew McKay just stated the blues have no interest in Ryan Griffin.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 6:19pm
            Pumping Dougie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 6:19pm | ! Report

            I don’t blame Griffin for jumping ship at the Doggies. Clearly there were some massive issues at the club with Macca and he wasn’t suited to captaincy.

            As for Stringer, sure he’s selfish but he wouldn’t be on his pat malone. If that’s the only problem with him then we should keep him.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:12pm
              Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:12pm | ! Report

              Dougie,your such a kind man,I respect that so much πŸ™‚ I was happy to see rhe back of Harris and Higgins but I’m glad they did well after they left.Cooney was clearly done so no issues there,Gritten just doesn’t sit well.
              Stringers not just selfish,he’s also lazy and I don’t think he’s bright enough to understand he needs to change. To be honest I’d need to know a little more about this scandal,not that I need to. If he’s picking up school girls,while his girlfriends pregnant,I think is pretty poor,but none of our business really,if he’s doing it at club sanctioned clinics etc that is a whole different thing and he has to go.
              The dynamics of the team certainly changed this year,the biggest sign for me was last year when North tried bullying us we didn’t have a bar of it and embarrassed them,this year when JJ was getting a hard time we just let it happen and were embarrassed ourselves. Stringers really.disapointed me,and he’s been doing it for a while now.

              • Roar Guru

                October 3rd 2017 @ 9:00am
                Pumping Dougie said | October 3rd 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

                Cheers Matty, I agree with all of that. And I’m very happy to see Griffen has been poor at GWS, but it’s nothing really against him, it’s more that I enjoy seeing the Bulldogs clearly win the Boyd v Griffen / Ahern trade and GWS suffer. I don’t like GWS because they raided our captain and have carried-on like prima donnas on the field, being aggressive, crude and cowardly sniper-attacks on our players each time. Sucked-in to those pr*cks.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:13pm
              Slane said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:13pm | ! Report

              You might have seen me saying I’d be really keen on Stringer in other threads, PD. Since I made those comments I have been made aware of some of the comments that Stringer’s ex has been making on Facebook. I don’t think Stringer is the type of bloke I’d want at my club. It doesn’t really matter how talented he is.

              • Roar Guru

                October 3rd 2017 @ 8:59am
                Pumping Dougie said | October 3rd 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

                Yeah fair enough Slane, I can understand that point of view. (Congratulations on the brilliant year from the Tigers.) I guess all I’m saying is Stringer hasn’t killed anyone. I reckon a pretty sizeable percentage of the population cheat on their partner and selfish blokes most often do it when the partner is pregnant or just given birth, because that’s when the bloke isn’t getting the attention he was getting previously. I’m not condoning that behaviour by the way – just recognising there would be blokes at every club who do that.

                If the Dogs are cutting ties with him because of that, then it might prohibit them from recruiting a lot of guys from other clubs. I suspect the reason is broader – more to do with his whole behaviour and attitude, and reluctance to change.

                Gary Ablett Senior was the best player I’ve ever seen and he came with plenty of character flaws. Lots of people do. It’s great to see clubs drawing a line and setting strong values, but I’m not sure that line is in the right place.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:37pm
        Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:37pm | ! Report

        Mattyb – you still don’t get the reason Palmer was brought in do you, hardly a “prized recruit” but a means to an end. As for Thomas – he was brought in by that 3 time premiership legendary coach who you don’t like us blues supporters criticising, are you finally waking up as to why we do it?

        As for Griffin, I wouldn’t be averse to getting him – as long as he doesn’t cost us anything, if he was thrown in as the steak knives in a deal for Kennedy and Smith I would take him as he will offer more than a draftee taken at pick 100.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 3:28pm
        I ate pies said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

        Matty, I reckon we should target Preuss. We need a big, angry ruckman who is young. Schache and Gaff (especially) would be good pick ups. Hopefully Dalhhouse stays, but I suspect he’s somehow involved with the Stringer shenanigans. Libba can’t leave, he bleeds red, white and blue. Stringer can get stuffed.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:41pm
          Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:41pm | ! Report

          ” Libba can’t leave, he bleeds red, white and blue.” Is that a side effect of his recreational activities?

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:23pm
            Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:23pm | ! Report

            IAP,I hope Dahl stays to,love him,hope he’s not picking up school girls as well,and he’s much older than Stringer which would make it worse. I think Dahl could be caught up with the Libba,Biggs shanadigans,but I’m only speculating obviously.
            I’d love Pruess but I don’t think North would give him up,Schache I wouldn’t mind but I’m not sure I’d won’t so much tied up in him and Boyd coming good,seems risky. Agree with the Stringer comment,he’s broken bulldog hearts. Libba I can put up with,Tabaner I’m keen on,think he might be on the verge of breaking out.

            Macca,seriously go away. Of course I’m aware why Palmer was picked up. I don’t agree with wasting list spots because of an obsession with bargains when so many players still need to be be delisted.

            • October 3rd 2017 @ 9:10am
              Macca said | October 3rd 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

              Mattyb – “Of course I’m aware why Palmer was picked up” And yet you go on t display a complete lack of understanding as to why he was picked up.

              If the blues didn’t take Palmer they didn’t get Marchbank & Pickett for the price they paid which would probably have meant that they missed either Pickett or Fisher (who they took with pick 27).

              On top of that if the blues didn’t take Palmer they would either had to have left a player they delisted last year on the list or take an 18 year old no one else wanted with a pick somewhere around the 80’s.

              It is pretty obvious to everyone except you that a) Palmer offered more as a player than the person who oterhwise would have had his spot on the list & b) the ability to pick up Fisher or Pickett because we took Palmer is a bigger advantage than what Palmer or his alternative offered as a player.

              Hopefully you can grasp this concept now so I can “go away”.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:37pm
        Matto said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:37pm | ! Report

        Hey matty. What would you say a fair price for Gaff?

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:34pm
          Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:34pm | ! Report

          Matto,I’m really keen on Gaff because he’s what we need,I see his floors but don’t care because I like the positive in this one.I’d give WC our pick 9 and whatever we get for Stringer,if that’s 11 from Essendon or 20 from Geelong I’d be happy.
          For argument sake let’s say 9 and 20 as a starting point? I’d even be willing to swap third round picks in your favour to sweeten the deal if it’s not enough.
          If we get pick 11 from Essendon I’d give up 9 and 11,surely that would get the deal done seeing Gaff only has one year left. I think that might even be overs but I’d do it no prob.
          Does all that sound fair? I’m pretty biased lol but I think it’s all fair. I’d take whatever picks from anywhere for Stringer as long as it made WC happy.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:47pm
            Mattician6x6 said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:47pm | ! Report

            Dalhaus or libba for gaff? I’m pretty firm that gaff is going nowhere, all the noise is Victorian based and all reports are gaff is happy here

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:21pm
              Don Freo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:21pm | ! Report

              Agree. Gaff is a happy little West Coaster. No noise coming from this end apart from people saying you’ve got to give up something to get something.

              It would make no sense to give up a top midfielder in the hope of picking up a top midfielder.

              • Roar Guru

                October 3rd 2017 @ 9:06am
                Pumping Dougie said | October 3rd 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

                True, it makes much more sense to give up an unwanted dud that some other club thinks has potential, in exchange for picking up a top midfielder. πŸ˜€

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 11:00am
                Don Freo said | October 3rd 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

                Dud? Dahlhaus or Stringer?

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:18pm
            I ate pies said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

            If we get Gaff we also need a ruckman to help us win the footy.

            • Roar Guru

              October 3rd 2017 @ 9:07am
              Pumping Dougie said | October 3rd 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

              Nah, ruckmen are overrated. Did you see in the GF? Sam Jacobs was killing Nankervis, yet Richmond won the clearances. They even threw Grigg and Rioli into the ruck at different stages to have an extra onballer at the stoppages (copied that trick from the master coach, Bevo).

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 10:54am
                I ate pies said | October 3rd 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

                That’s because Jacobs isn’t very good and Adelaide’s midfielders aren’t very good. A good ruckman will tap it down a good midfielders throat and they’re away.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 11:14am
                Macca said | October 3rd 2017 @ 11:14am | ! Report

                I ate Pies – so the All Australian Ruckman isn’t very good? Which ruckman is?

                The top 5 clubs for hit outs this year were Adelaide, GWS Port, Geelong and Freo. (Richmond were 16th)

                The top 5 clubs for clearances this year were GWS, Adelaide, Geelong, Richmond and Port (Freo finished 12th).

                That points to Richmond being very good at clearances rather than Adelaide or Jacobs being poor.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 12:57pm
                I ate pies said | October 3rd 2017 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

                Gawn is the best, followed by Naitanui then probably Mumford. Jacobs got AA by default because the top two were injured

              • Roar Guru

                October 3rd 2017 @ 11:38am
                Pumping Dougie said | October 3rd 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

                Agreed Macca. I thought Jacobs played well in the GF. He actually did tap it down the throat of his midfielders regularly. Nankervis only worked his way into the game once the game was over.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 1:45pm
                Macca said | October 3rd 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

                I ate Pies – Gawn is a good ruckman no doubt but Jacobs beats him in pretty much every stat.

                Interestingly Melbourne regularly had more clearances than Gawn had hit outs this year and the strtch between round 18 and 20 makes interesting reading – in round 18 Gawn had just 33 hit outs but Melbourne had 44 clearances, the next two weeks Gawns had 52 hit outs both weeks but Melbourne averaged 44 clearances over the 2 weeks (45 in round 19 and 43 in round 20).

                To me it looks a bit like if Gawn didn’t have Oliver & Viney to tap to you wouldn’t be talking him up.

          • October 3rd 2017 @ 11:52am
            Matto said | October 3rd 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

            I’d happily take any of those deals you’re offering for Gaff as it feels like he could be leaving anyway. Otherwise its a little bit of unders on pure value but its much better than id have thought we could get.

            I’m just as happy if he signs another contract. Just don’t think he will.
            Most eagles fans will be in denial about this as they were when it was just as obviois Judd was leaving.

            • October 3rd 2017 @ 2:02pm
              Mattician6x6 said | October 3rd 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

              I don’t think there was denial when judd left it just came at a very bleak period in wce history, very hard to watch cousins,fletcher,chick etc implode and have Judd leave all within a few months

    • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:14pm
      Birdman said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

      Carlton chasing a truckload of mids it seems – maybe a decent forward or two would be a better option.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:32pm
        Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

        Birdman – the blues need mids more than anything else – Stirling Coates I believe did a great piece on the blues where he correctly identified a lot of the blues scoring woes came from being beaten in the midfield.

        On top of that the blues have invested quite heavily in forwards over the past couple of years – McKay, Curnow, Silvagni, Kerr and Pickett for example, it makes sense to give them time to develop and bolster the midfield that is crying out for more depth.

    • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:25pm
      Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

      Looking forward to the trade period – one of the highlights of the year for a Carlton supporter ;)!

      I am warming to the idea of having Rockliff as long as he doesn’t cost us anything (His Compo to Brisbane pushing the blues from 3rd to 4th in the draft wouldn’t be ideal but I suppose we may as well get something out of it if it does happen).

      Smith and Kennedy would be handy pick ups but I don’t see them being game changers for the blues and hard to see how we get them if we don’t lose Gibbs as we currently don’t have a second round pick.

      If the blues don’t do a trade this year and got Rockliff as a free agent and kept pick 3 I would be reasonably happy as our midfield depth would be improved significantly.

      If we lose Gibbs for two first rounds picks, got Smith, Kennedy and Rockliff and kept pick 3 (we might possibly pick up a second rounder depending on the picks we get from Adelaide and what GWS take for Smith and Kennedy)would be pretty happy because again we have added midfield depth.

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        October 2nd 2017 @ 12:51pm
        Col from Brissie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

        Macca, I think the money being talked about Rockliff will only get Brisbane an end of first or a second round pick so the Blues pick should stay at 3. I am not sure what the value of Kennedy and Smith would be but I am sure GWS would be chasing a first rounder for both or 2 second rounders.

        I want the Blues to hold on to pick 3 but they have said they are open to offers. Certainly the GWS pair are not worth pick 3 so it would depend on whether Gibbs stays or goes. I will run this by you though to get your thoughts. Would you give up pick 3 to St Kilda for their picks 7 & 8 if they were interested. If Gibbs went to Adelaide we could ask for the pick they would get from Melbourne for Lever which would be pick 10 and maybe a second or third rounder as well.

        We would then have picks 7, 8 and 10 and possibly a second rounder.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:49pm
          David C said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

          I don’t think St K would entertain picks 7 and 8 for 3, more likely 7 and a 2nd rounder for 3.

          • Roar Guru

            October 2nd 2017 @ 2:20pm
            Col from Brissie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

            Depends David if they see the chance to pick up a midfielder of the caliber of a Paddy Dow or Cameron Rayner neither of whom will be there at pick 7 as better value than what might be available at pick 7 and 8.

            Carlton certainly wouldn’t give up pick 3 for 7 and a second rounder.

            Last year GWS gave up pick 3 and 17 to Brisbane for pick 2 because they wanted McGrath or Taranto. It all depends where a club thinks they are at and what their needs are. St Kilda have a reasonable midfield and might see Dow or Rayner as the player to elevate their midfield. Carlton see midfield depth as a problem so might think the possibility of getting 2 good midfielders better value than one very good midfielder.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 2:11pm
          Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:11pm | ! Report

          Col – looking at some of the reports on the draftees this year I think we would get a really high quality mid at pick 3 who could make an immediate impact (some one like Davies- Uniacke, Cerra or Dow) I would prefer to get 1 of those than 2 good players at 7 and 8.

          If I was the blues I would be holding out for 2 first round picks for Gibbs and after Saturday’s performance I wouldn’t mind betting that Adelaide are desperate enough to offer them.

          If we got say 10 & 16 for Gibbs, we could give 10and possibly a sweetener for Kennedy & Smith and take 3 and 16 to the draft.

          • Roar Guru

            October 2nd 2017 @ 2:29pm
            Col from Brissie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

            Fair enough Macca, but if the Blues land Rockliff, Kennedy and Smith and still retained picks 7 and 8 to grab a couple of good young midfielders who can develop under the likes of the above, Murphy and Cripps it maybe a plus. We could even offer Brisbane one of those picks for Schache.

            For me getting in Rockliff, Kennedy, Smith, Schache plus a good young midfielder at pick 7 and maybe some later picks for the loss of Gibbs and pick 3 wouldn’t be bad.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 2:48pm
              Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

              Col – I am not completely against your outcome, in fact it probably isn’t a bad deal at all but I think with Cripps and SPS (plus I think Cuningham but I will leave him out of this for now) we have a couple of players who could be elite mids – I think the player we get at 3 this year would also be an elite player in a few years – Rockliff (at 27 now), Smith (24) and Kennedy all look to be handy pick ups but I can’t see them being “elite” in 3-5 years time when the others are peaking.

              Schache would help make up for this but is another level of complication on the deal and comes with some risk.

              I want to go with quality over quantity and keep 3 and build midfield depth through free agents and later picks.

              • Roar Guru

                October 2nd 2017 @ 3:02pm
                Col from Brissie said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

                That’s what makes this time of year so interesting. We can come up with all these possibilities and ideas and get excited about what might happen and either end up happy or dissappointed.

                For my ideas to come to fruition we need Adelaide to come to the party for Gibbs and St Kilda to want to trade for pick 3 with the strong possibility neither one happens. We are then left with pick 3, Bryce Gibbs and somehow come up with a deal to satisfy GWS.

                I would still be happy with that result.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:27pm
                Fairsuckofthesav said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:27pm | ! Report

                Blues want overs for 29 yr old Gibbs but want to pay unders for giants with years ahead of them. Cant have it both ways.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 3:17pm
                Macca said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

                As I said above Col “Looking forward to the trade period – one of the highlights of the year for a Carlton supporter” and “If the blues don’t do a trade this year and got Rockliff as a free agent and kept pick 3 I would be reasonably happy”

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 1:40am
                Don Freo said | October 3rd 2017 @ 1:40am | ! Report

                10 and 16 for Gibbs? Gibbs? Almost 30 yo Gibbs? Tee hee!! You won’t get 10 or 16 by themselves.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 9:14am
                Macca said | October 3rd 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

                Fair suck of the Sav – “Cant have it both ways.” You can when Gibbs is contracted for 2 more years and the GWS players are out of contract and wanting to walk.

                Don Freo – Gibbs is contracted and the blues want him to stay – if they don’t get the 2 first round picks they are after so be it but if he does go it will be on the blues terms and someone will have to pay overs for him.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 11:09am
                Don Freo said | October 3rd 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

                That’s where he’ll stay if the Blues want him. To trade him they would have to accept second round and Troy Menzel.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 12:02pm
                Macca said | October 3rd 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

                Don – The blues have repeatedly explicitly stated they don’t want to trade him so the only way he moves is if Adelaide offer something massive, which is why I was talking 2 first round picks, which is what they wanted last year.

                Pretty simple really.

    • Roar Rookie

      October 2nd 2017 @ 12:26pm
      WCE said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

      Please can someone take Josh Hill !!!!! most likely to receive the laziest player of the year award

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:37pm
        Mattyb said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

        WCE,funny thing is with Hill is that he starts great at clubs,then gets lazy as he feels more comfortable,would be interesting if any clubs consider this and think he might be worth two years with a fresh start and then get rid of him when he reverts back to his lazy ways. I have no idea regarding his contract status though.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 5:28pm
        David C said | October 2nd 2017 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

        You’ll have to delist him me thinks.

    • Roar Guru

      October 2nd 2017 @ 1:09pm
      Paul D said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Schache is gone. Word is he only signed the new deal to do the right thing by the club and give them leverage at trade time with him not being out of contract.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:55pm
        David C said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

        Unfortunately it is buyer beware with Schache so Brisbane won’t get much for him. Richmond have already withdrawn their interest. If he has signed for 2 more years they might as well keep him another year and try and turn things around like they did with Mayes. His agent said Schache will not request a trade.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 2:29pm
        Birdman said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

        can we get him for Hodge and Duyrea? πŸ™‚

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 3:10pm
          Brian said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

          I wouldn’t give up to much for Schache. He’s an ok prospect but not much between him and O’Brien. We are much more desprate for mids both inside and outside types.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 3:13pm
          Dan, Concord said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

          Birdman- I like your ambitious suggestion and tongue in cheek- maybe throw in Vickery?!
          We must surely be after another pacy skillful running mid. I like the talk of Impey & Gaff.

          HA! I just saw Brian’s comment. I’m on the same page as Brian. We have players already in Schache’s type.

        • Roar Guru

          October 2nd 2017 @ 4:04pm
          Paul D said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

          Schache for Burton, straight swap

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 6:16pm
            Dan, Concord said | October 2nd 2017 @ 6:16pm | ! Report

            Paul D- is that tongue in cheek? I’m guessing that’s dreaming and wishing because there is absolutely no chance in snow ball’s hell that would happen.
            How about Schache for Dureya? πŸ˜‰

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