AFL trade news and rumours Day 7 live blog

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    Adam Saad traded from Gold Coast Suns to Essendon Bombers for Essendon Bombers’ 2018 second-round draft pick.

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    The second week of trade period is here and with only four days left on the clock we are sure to see the pace of action pick up. Join us here on The Roar for all the latest AFL trade news and rumours from 9am AEDT.

    Five full days of trading action still saw only four deals done last week, all of them coming on the last two days of the week.

    Jake Lever and Devon Smith were the big names to move, joining the Melbourne Demons and Essendon Bombers respectively, with Adelaide gaining two first-round draft picks and the Giants one in return.

    Jarman Impey was traded to Hawthorn and Hayden Crozier moved to the Bulldogs in the other trade deals of the week.

    In terms of free agency, Jackson Trengove has moved from Port Adelaide to the Bulldogs and both Tom Rockliff and Steven Motlop have joined the Power.

    Free agency is officially closed as of last night which means it’s no longer an avenue for someone like Daniel Menzel, who looks almost certain now to re-sign with Geelong on a one-year deal.

    What can we expected today? There was a lot of talk last week that Jack Watts would make a decision on his future over the weekend and all the talk is that he’ll nominate Port Adelaide as a preferred destination today.

    That deal could get done quickly after with Port Adelaide probably trading pick 31 to the Demons for his services.

    It will also be worth keeping an eye on Geelong who have gotten a higher-than-expected compensation pick for Steven Motlop’s departure, No.19 overall.

    It wouldn’t be a surprise to see that used in a trade for Gary Ablett, or perhaps a last-ditch attempt to pull Jake Stringer away from Essendon.

    Join us here on The Roar for all the latest AFL trade news and rumours from 9am AEDT.

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • Editor

      5:02pm
      Josh Elliott said | 5:02pm | ! Report

    • Editor

      4:49pm
      Josh Elliott said | 4:49pm | ! Report

      Colin Garland may retire early despite being contracted for 2018. Missed all of this year with an ACL.

    • Roar Guru

      4:02pm
      JamesH said | 4:02pm | ! Report

      Apparently Saad has over 100 cousins in Melbourne. That’s mind-blowing.

    • Editor

      3:53pm
      Josh Elliott said | 3:53pm | ! Report

      Andrew Swallow to Gold Coast gaining legs with North confirming they’re happy to get him up there if he wants.

      • 4:15pm
        David C said | 4:15pm | ! Report

        He wouldn’t be worth much at the trade table these days would he? Past 30 and now only fringe 22, sounds like the sort of player North should be moving on at this stage of their rebuild.

        • Editor

          4:39pm
          Josh Elliott said | 4:39pm | ! Report

          Pretty much nothing. Ideal trade as a North fan would be Swallow & 23 for 21, but suspect it gets done for a token pick instead.

          • 4:41pm
            Macca said | 4:41pm | ! Report

            Gee Josh setting you sights high! Do you have someone you think you could get at 21 that won’t be there by 23? 😉

            • Editor

              4:46pm
              Josh Elliott said | 4:46pm | ! Report

              Haha no, just seems like the only remotely plausible scenario where we’d get something actually useful for him. Those free agency compensation rorts have pushed our second-rounder down a bit.

              • 4:50pm
                Macca said | 4:50pm | ! Report

                I would be a bit annoyed with them too except with the blues having traded theirs it almost makes me feel like we are getting more value for money!

      • 4:25pm
        Pope Paul VII said | 4:25pm | ! Report

        If Andy goes and with Ben Cunnington’s not getting any younger why aren’t North showing some interest in Matty Kennedy?

        Actually Swallow had a pretty good finish to last season.

        • Editor

          4:40pm
          Josh Elliott said | 4:40pm | ! Report

          North looking more at players with speed this offseason I think, but wouldn’t be against putting our second-round pick on the table for Kennedy, certainly.

    • 3:21pm
      GJ said | 3:21pm | ! Report

      Lock in the Power for a GF and Premiership.
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      Motlop: I really want to win a premiership, and my decision to go to @PAFC was based on that#NABTradeRadio
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      Wonder how Geelong feel about this?

      • Roar Guru

        3:37pm
        JamesH said | 3:37pm | ! Report

        Yeah, I would’ve though Adelaide and Geelong were more likely for a flag.

      • Editor

        3:57pm
        Josh Elliott said | 3:57pm | ! Report

        Well if Mots says it, it must be true…

        • 4:02pm
          GJ said | 4:02pm | ! Report

          Mmmm .. would be too hard to interpret that comment as ..”I am moving for success”?

      • Roar Guru

        4:42pm
        Cat said | 4:42pm | ! Report

        Could care less, good luck to him. I don’t rubbish players who have decided to move on.

        • 4:52pm
          GJ said | 4:52pm | ! Report

          Have you still still got a sore anoos from the 10 hour bus trip to Adelaide only to see your beloved team get anoosed in the Preliminary Final, only to then have to spend another 10 hours on a bus travelling home and arriving with a seriously sore anoos. Those delicious tears.

          The post was aligned with the current media fascination with Walker and his comments that were taken out of context and blown completely out of proportion.

          Motlop chooses the Power for success. The silence is deafening. *crickets*

          The media and some fan hypocrisy at its best ..

          • Roar Guru

            9:38pm
            Cat said | 9:38pm | ! Report

            Its called being adults. Only one club feels the need to pout and carry on when a player leaves.

            • 10:17pm
              GJ said | 10:17pm | ! Report

              You are ridiculous. You don’t and didn’t want him. Most Geelong supporters have been treating him as their a whipping boy him for years.

              And again, that is not what the comment was about. It was a comparison of how the average punter like you and the media treat similar, essentially innocuous comments.

              Ironic, Jimmy Bartel was quite vocal about Walkers comments. Silence from Jimmy in regard to Motlop, 1 of his own stating he has a better chance of “success” at the Power than at Geelong.

              What success has the Power had. They win the trade period?

    • Roar Guru

      3:14pm
      AdelaideDocker said | 3:14pm | ! Report

      Oh damn, just saw the news about Weller!

      Unfortunate news, but if it’s what he wants I can’t begrudge him for that!

      I could’ve sworn he resigned with us for a few years, though. I must be mistaken.

      • Roar Guru

        3:29pm
        Chop said | 3:29pm | ! Report

        He was offered a 4yr deal but knocked it back.

      • Editor

        3:57pm
        Josh Elliott said | 3:57pm | ! Report

        He’s contracted until the end of next year AD, so the Dockers could hold him if they want to.

        • Roar Guru

          4:52pm
          AdelaideDocker said | 4:52pm | ! Report

          Well, I want them too.

          • Roar Rookie

            6:01pm
            FreoFan said | 6:01pm | ! Report

            It sounds like he will go at the end of next season anyway though. ‘It’s not if but when’ his manager said. So maybe we can try get something good for him while we can. I’m disappointed he is wanting to leave though. He was going to be a big part of our future I thought.

          • Roar Rookie

            6:01pm
            FreoFan said | 6:01pm | ! Report

            It sounds like he will go at the end of next season anyway though. ‘It’s not if but when’ his manager said. So maybe we can try get something good for him while we can. I’m disappointed he is wanting to leave though. He was going to be a big part of our future I thought.

    • 3:02pm
      Andreas said | 3:02pm | ! Report

      That has been my view for a while – this is somewhat mitigated by a) having a view roughly the players, expected skillset and attitude you should get at your expected draft number & b) Not having full information on the player you are trading in. Considering the number of middling players taken high in the draft and the reasonable number of good to great players taken later in the draft, trading a known decent player for a middle to great draft option is not always a terrible result. But the impact a great player makes on the rest of the team is hard to overestimate – that usually needs a lucky draft or giving up lots of draft picks for a known great player.

      After all of that, I am still certain that the teams list managers understand all of this about 20 times better than me – but they still get it wrong. Better analytics are available to the teams than the public as the AFL does not make there stats publicly available. I have no idea how well used these are compared to the revolution that Moneyball brought to sports overseas.

      • Editor

        3:10pm
        Josh Elliott said | 3:10pm | ! Report

        I think at the end of the day it’s just a much more complicated business than analytics can provide for, as a lot of it will depend on the personality of the draftee and how they develop, whether or not they click with other people at the club and what impact those relationships have on them etc. There’s no agreed upon theory of what it is that makes a champion team, let alone the best way to go about building one!

        • 3:28pm
          Stephen said | 3:28pm | ! Report

          True Josh. Anecdotal evidence and gut-feel are very powerful guides. But they can be even more powerful when combined with fact based decision making. All of the above makes for optimal decision making I guess.

          What I don’t understand – is why certain clubs and to a greater extent – player managers, continue to treat each player in a similar fashion. For example, Josh Schache’s manager should have known his personality would not embrace the increased spotlight that came on him when his management decided to bring another clubs interest into the equation before he had even played 20 games? I feel for Schache. Poorly managed.

          • Editor

            3:59pm
            Josh Elliott said | 3:59pm | ! Report

            I imagine some player managers would think that earning the most money possible is the best thing for their client and other concerns come second to that – a mode of thinking I very much disagree with.

            • 4:01pm
              Macca said | 4:01pm | ! Report

              I have it very good authority that Ben Cunnington’s manager told him not to bother doing his VCE exams because he wouldn’t need them – looks like it is working out so far but I don’t think it is great advice.

            • 4:28pm
              Stephen said | 4:28pm | ! Report

              Well said.

    • 2:53pm
      Jon boy said | 2:53pm | ! Report

      Weller’s manager has just said his girlfriend want”s to go home ….What Next. They said last year they were more than happy to stay..MONEY ….Freo should swap him for Lynch…..and they can have Ballantyne as well…

    • 2:47pm
      George said | 2:47pm | ! Report

      Question, outside Freo fans, does Weller have similar value as Wilson?

      • Editor

        3:03pm
        Josh Elliott said | 3:03pm | ! Report

        I’d say they’re roughly on par, if you’re looking purely at their 2017 form, Wilson would be ahead.

        • 3:40pm
          George said | 3:40pm | ! Report

          Thanks, Josh. I thought so too but Freo fans go crazy on forums.

          • Roar Guru

            4:05pm
            Dalgety Carrington said | 4:05pm | ! Report

            How do you figure that?

            Weller’s younger and at an earlier stage of his development arc. He hasn’t missed a game in 2 years and if you’d followed his form reasonably closely he’s got all the attributes to go where the game seems to be headed of late.

            Wilson’s great, but Weller’s worth quite a bit more at the trade table at this stage I reckon.

    • 2:46pm
      Mattician6x6 said | 2:46pm | ! Report

      Will be a massive loss for freo.

    • 2:43pm
      Stephen said | 2:43pm | ! Report

      Josh,

      Interested in your opinion. Perhaps this is my AFL trade period naivety or the businessman in me – each day I go to work I’m looking at ‘risk’ – that four letter word the world forgot during the GFC. So I view established players as more appealing from a risk perspective. I guess the heart of my observation/question – are draft picks over-rated and established players under-rated, because the area of risk doesn’t have the focus from List Mangers it perhaps deserves?

      • Editor

        3:03pm
        Josh Elliott said | 3:03pm | ! Report

        Hey Stephen, you’re right to some degree that there’s more risk involved in taking picks to the draft than there is in acquiring proven players, but there’s also more potential reward I think – for example the Bulldogs and Melbourne in recent years have traded picks in the 20s for proven quantities like Stewart Crameri and Bernie Vince, only to see those picks used to draft young stars like Zach Merrett and Matt Crouch. I think most list managers will see it from the perspective that, if they’re not backing themselves to get the most they can out of their draft picks, they’re in the wrong job to being with.

        • 3:05pm
          Macca said | 3:05pm | ! Report

          When dealing with human beings in a team environment where injuries are common place nothing is without risk.

        • 3:09pm
          Stephen said | 3:09pm | ! Report

          Okay. Many thanks.

        • 4:57pm
          guttsy said | 4:57pm | ! Report

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Plenty of draft picks fall by the wayside, but only a small percentage of proven players fail to perform at a new club, particularly a club of their choice. So the rule should be a proven player is worth two draft picks, because the chances are one of those two draft picks will fail to make the grade in the AFL.

    • 2:25pm
      Jon boy said | 2:25pm | ! Report

      Ablett want”s to go home to Family or Geelong.?

      • Roar Guru

        4:44pm
        Cat said | 4:44pm | ! Report

        Ablett’s family is in Geelong.

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