In defence of doing bugger all in the AFL trade period

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    Going hard at both Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly was exactly what North Melbourne needed to do this year.

    North’s list has plenty of players on it who are solid types that can be relied upon to perform their role, as well as developing youth who look capable of being the same. But there is very little in the area of top-shelf superstar talent.

    Every premiership team needs a mix of both. Richmond were the perfect example this year – a side built on the commitment of the role players to their gameplan, but they would’ve been only a grindy Ross Lyon-esque mess without the genuine A-grade talent of Martin and Alex Rance on top.

    ‘More A-grade talent’ of course is something that could be put on the shopping list for just about every club without requiring any great insight, but the question of how to obtain it is an entirely different kettle of fish.

    There is no exact science in the draft and so the most logical way to do it and get it right is to attempt to poach it from other clubs.

    That is where Martin and Kelly came into North Melbourne’s planning – but the chances of getting either of them were always more in the area of ‘hopeful’ than of ‘confident’. Even with extra dollars on offer, top players don’t generally move from clubs chasing premierships to those risking wooden spoons.

    Dustin Martin Richmond Tigers AFL Grand Final 2017

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    The fact Kelly only signed a two-year deal with the GWS Giants is telling of the possibility that he will consider a move again at the end of 2019, but North cannot spend the next two years putting all of its eggs into that basket.

    So what options does that leave the Roos with? They have fun coupons to burn and there were players on the market who might have been tempted to the club, but they do not appear to have pursued them at all, leaving many to suggest North Melbourne have fallen asleep at wheel.

    However, the simple fact is that none of the players left on the market this year have been in that A-grade class that North Melbourne need. They might well have made big offers to players like Tom Rockliff or Devon Smith, but with all due respect to their respective talents, they would not be the top-line players North Melbourne need to take the step beyond mid-table mediocrity.

    Recruiting these players would have come at an opportunity cost – chewing up either salary cap or draft picks that could be used to draft, recruit or retain other players better suited to taking North Melbourne forward in years to come.

    That being the case, sitting tight, consolidating, heading to the draft and looking ahead to 2018 and 2019 for what A-grade talent might be available from other clubs is the most logical strategy, even if it also happens to be the least interesting one.

    The draft, after all, is the other way to get superstar talent, albeit with a much smaller degree of certainty. North have pick 4 this year, a selection that in recent years has delivered players like Clayton Oliver and Marcus Bontempelli – but also Jimmy Toumpas and Jarrod Pickett.

    The logical thing for North Melbourne to do this year would have been to consider trading out some of their talent in order to improve their draft position, in the way that rebuilding teams like Carlton and St Kilda have done in recent years.

    However this strategy requires a team to have talented players that are both a) good enough to attract high value in return from another club and b) not so integral to the team as to make them untradeable. This is a thinly populated area on any playing list, and the only North Melbourne player who really fits the bill is Todd Goldstein.

    Todd Goldstein North Melbourne Kangaroos AFL 2016

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    Of course, even Goldstein is only debatably capable of drawing a good return in a trade – he is 29 and hasn’t been in great form over the past year and a half or so, so only a club with a specific need for a mature ruckman would likely be interested in his services.

    That is where a connection to GWS arose from. They may well have seen the last of Shane Mumford and might not consider themselves entirely ready to give Rory Lobb the keys. Bringing in Goldstein as a short-term solution would have made sense, and they have draft picks enough that parting with one wouldn’t cause too much pain. An early second-round pick, something in the 20-30 range, probably would’ve been the deal.

    However, this idea was nipped in the bud pretty quickly with reports that Goldstein was only willing to consider a move if it meant staying in Victoria. Without speculating too much on a person’s private motivations, that’s a completely reasonable stance to take.

    Andrew Swallow might also be on the move out of the club with a potential trade to Gold Coast raised in the media on Monday – but any deal done for him would be unlikely to deliver North any trade return of value, and instead only be a chance to clear a senior player out of the team providing more opportunity for developing youth.

    That being the case, North Melbourne haveno real way to improve their draft position this year that wouldn’t also be detrimental to other aspects of the club – and so we are left with an off-season that amounts to little more than delistings, re-signings, and possibly bringing in small pieces from other clubs.

    The delistings and re-signings of course have drawn controversy with many questioning why North would move on the likes of Sam Gibson and Aaron Mullett, who played a combined 40 AFL games in 2017, but retain players like Jarrad Waite and Scott Thompson.

    The answer is that Waite and Thompson are still elite players on their day, and don’t really have obvious replacements among the youth of the side just yet. Waite can do crazy stuff that only a small number of players in the AFL can, and Thompson is needed to tide North’s defense over for another year while the likes of Daniel Nielson, Sam Durdin and Ben McKay develop.

    Jarrad Waite North Melbourne Kangaroos AFL 2017

    (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

    Gibson and Mullett on the other hand, while solid citizens, are keeping out players like Declan Mountford or Mitchell Hibberd who have learned all they can in the VFL and now need to either make it or break it at AFL level.

    It’s a hard decision to make because both Gibson and Mullett are good enough to be on an AFL list, and you won’t find a North Melbourne fan on earth who would be the least bit perturbed at them getting a second opportunity elsewhere. But footy is a brutal business, and sometimes – rightly or wrongly – what’s best for the club is put ahead of what is fair for the individual players.

    As for picking up small pieces from other clubs, it looks like North is the most likely destination for Geelong’s Darcy Lang – though there’s still a bit to play out here, you’d imagine. I have no quarrel with the idea if it comes cheap, similar moves were made last year to pick up the likes of Nathan Hrovat and Marley Williams, both with positive results so far.

    What does it all add up to in the end? Pretty much bugger all, which is certainly a bitter taste for those of us who dared to dream of Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly.

    But I am glad that the club has decided to not act rashly and spend money unwisely to bring in B and C-grade players solely for the purpose of making a splash.

    Recruiting for the sake of recruiting has ruined many an AFL list – look at Collingwood who have gone hard at trade time for several years in a row signing anything that moves, and now have a salary cap too cluttered with the likes of Chris Mayne, James Aish and Levi Greenwood to rise any higher than 13th.

    It will take a bit of patience, faith, and some good luck, but in five or ten years’ time we may look back on the here and now and say that it was wise to do nothing. Slow and steady can indeed win the race, and taking the road less traveled by can make all the difference.

    Josh Elliott
    Josh Elliott

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • October 17th 2017 @ 8:59am
      Tom M said | October 17th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

      Unfortunately North will be at the bottom of the table for some time. They have no older players of any value to trade for draft picks and as such this will be a very slow rebuild and a rebuild that could see North at the bottom for a decade.

    • October 17th 2017 @ 9:09am
      Mattician6x6 said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

      No need to defend doing bugger all et trade time Josh, been the wce mantra for along time now.

      • October 17th 2017 @ 1:04pm
        Anthony said | October 17th 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

        West Coast have never been big traders, we tend to develop our draft choices. The only really big deal we have ever done was Judd and that was mostly by force.
        I’d say the Eagles are in a pretty good spot right now with some good talent coming through.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 3:29pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

          The Eagles look stuffed to me, crazy decision bringing in sniper Mitchell this season and you were lucky to get as far as you did. Simpson can’t coach either.

          • October 17th 2017 @ 4:31pm
            Don Freo said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

            Simmo has a pretty good record so far. How’s your coaching, Harry?

            Sorry to have to confront you with some harsh truth, Harry.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 10:28pm
              Mark said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:28pm | ! Report

              Yeah, very confronting Don. I’m sure you made him question his entire existence right there.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 12:09am
                Don Freo said | October 18th 2017 @ 12:09am | ! Report

                Not surprised to see you align yourself with Harry’s way of thinking. Good contribution, Mark.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 8:13am
                Mark said | October 18th 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

                You don’t understand irony do you?
                Please stop posting you goon.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 9:21am
                Don Freo said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

                There’s no irony there…just your usual abuse.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 5:28pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

                Mark? Who is this Don Freo and why does he act as if he is the moderator?

              • October 18th 2017 @ 6:29pm
                Don Freo said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                I don’t really. You just keep asking for my opinion so I keep answering. You just don’t like the answers.

            • October 18th 2017 @ 10:24am
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

              Don Freo? So only AFL coaches can critique coaching? Gee it will be pretty quiet in here then.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 10:08pm
          Mattician6x6 said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:08pm | ! Report

          Absolutely right, only two players we’ve ever lost who weren’t fringe players are Gehrig and Judd but in both cases we were well compensated. Not only are we great identifiers of young talent our success at retaining required players who weren’t drafted from wa is very high. I am very happy with our position going fwd aswell.

    • October 17th 2017 @ 9:18am
      truetigerfan said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:18am | ! Report

      A very good assessment of North’s current situation, Josh. It may well be a slow rebuild but at least this way it will be a ‘genuine’ rebuild. 3-4 years of decent draft picks, plenty of games into the young fellas and things may turn quicker than expected. A new era for the Shinboners beckons!

    • Roar Guru

      October 17th 2017 @ 9:30am
      JamesH said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

      True. I think Collingwood is an example of why you shouldn’t just bring players in for the sake of it. They’ve nabbed some quality in recent years (Treloar, Hoskin-Elliott, Adams, Howe) but they’ve also wasted money and/or picks on list cloggers. At least this year it looks like they’ve finally learned their lesson. Essendon did something similar through the noughties and it got them nowhere.

      Trades should be about targeting someone you believe the club actually needs, not taking someone because they’re available. If you can’t get what you need through a trade or FA, go to the draft.

      TBH I think North dodged a bullet with Martin knocking back their giant offer. He’s clearly one of the best players in the comp, but he will probably be past his best by the time North is nearing contention (he’s 27 in June, so realistically he’d be 30+ by the time North could reasonably hope to be a force again). The salary cap space he took up would also have hurt the club.

      Kelly, on the other hand, would’ve been a massive coup.

      • Roar Guru

        October 17th 2017 @ 9:41am
        Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        Trades should be about targeting someone you believe the club actually needs, not taking someone because theyโ€™re available.

        This is exactly what Geelong does well. Dangerfield, Tuohy, Henderson, Smith and Scooter Selwood all slotted in to fill actual holes, not just names to add to the list.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 9:45am
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:45am | ! Report

          You forgot Mitch Clark? One of the greatest trade coups in AFL history.

          • Roar Guru

            October 17th 2017 @ 10:46am
            Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

            Every club has trades that don’t work out. Didn’t cost us anything really.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:31am
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

              Oh I’ve got you pegged / always an excuse ready huh? From memory you paid drastic overs at $500k plus and he played about three games. Just admit it. You’ve had some other shockers too

              • Roar Guru

                October 17th 2017 @ 11:37am
                Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

                Every club does. Who is your club?

                Clark was not seeking a huge money offer from either Geelong or Collingwood, with the Cats likely to offer a two year contract, with incentives.

                Clark moved to the Demons ahead of the 2012 season on an estimated $750,000 yearly deal. He is expected to make roughly half of that amount in a new performance-based contract with his next club.

                Not sure where you got your $500k+ from but it sounds like you made it up.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 5:04pm
                Cat said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:04pm | ! Report

                Whats the matter ‘Harry flogs opinions’ got not answers for the lie you were caught in?

              • October 19th 2017 @ 1:38pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

                What lie exposed? All you did is copy and paste a dodgy news article that uses terms such as “estimated” and “expected”? Anyone can google then copy and paste Cat it proves nothing but your laziness.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 5:32pm
                Paul D said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

                He said something about 16 premierships, I’d say he’s a bombers fan

              • October 19th 2017 @ 1:40pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

                Bombers. The most successful club in history along with the now basket case Carlton who should be removed from the league for exceeding the wooden spoon allotment last 22 years.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 7:36pm
                Aransan said | October 18th 2017 @ 7:36pm | ! Report

                Oh I hope not Paul, please let it be Carlton. He shouldn’t attempt to be jousting with Don Freo whose second team I believe to be the Bombers.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 11:02pm
                Don Freo said | October 18th 2017 @ 11:02pm | ! Report

                Wash your mouth out!

                Second team is the Eagles. Third team will be the Midland Maggots.

                Before the AFL my VFL team was Geelong because they had the blue and white East Freo hoops.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 1:42pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 19th 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

                Don Freo is impossible to communicate with as he isctoo busy putting his Mensa application together.

              • October 20th 2017 @ 12:23am
                Jon boy said | October 20th 2017 @ 12:23am | ! Report

                Welcome Harsh Truth Harry – I see you been welcome with open arms, you certainly got em going ,good onya.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 7:55pm
                Col from Brissie said | October 18th 2017 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

                Sorry Aransan, but he is one of yours.

        • Roar Guru

          October 17th 2017 @ 11:33am
          JamesH said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:33am | ! Report

          Agree 100%, Cat. The Hawks have been good at this too, although it helps that they also struck draft gold earlier this century with Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Franklin, Roughy, Cyril, Birchall, etc.

          • Roar Guru

            October 17th 2017 @ 11:39am
            Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

            Geelong did alright with Enright, Bartel, Corey, Ling, Johnson, Chapman, Milburn, Mackie etc. too

            • Roar Guru

              October 17th 2017 @ 12:21pm
              JamesH said | October 17th 2017 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

              Ablett, Taylor, Hawkins, Selwood…

              Definitely.

          • October 17th 2017 @ 3:32pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

            O’Rourke can’t play and you messed up big time with O’Meara which will prove one of the worst trades in AFL history. Clarkson got too big for his boots, kicked out Mitchell and Lewis and destroyed your club for good. I’ll give you Vickery what a gun.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 4:37pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:37pm | ! Report

              Hence my name, you obviously can’t handle the truth sonny

              • October 17th 2017 @ 10:11pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:11pm | ! Report

                Last time I checked harry simmo coached a team to a gf what are your achievements in professional coaching of a elite sports team?

              • October 18th 2017 @ 10:28am
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:28am | ! Report

                So Mattician I infer by your comment only elite coaches can comment on this forum? My mistake I thought it was open to all not just a coaches private forum. Perhaps a private Facebook group woul be better for you guys then?

              • October 18th 2017 @ 10:46am
                Mattician6x6 said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

                No you are allowed your opinion its an open forum in a democratic country and I am on record saying as it is an open forum of opiniob we shouldn’t get offended if ppl have differing opinions to our own. I believe Simpson is an excellent coach who took a team from 9th to a gf, he has managed finals in 3 of 4 years and with what was a often derided team got them to a semi final this year even though they were old, slow and in many ways the afl equivalent of the fictionalized Cleveland Indians in the movie major league

              • October 18th 2017 @ 5:00pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

                Then why ask what my coaching credentials are pray tell?

              • October 18th 2017 @ 5:34pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:34pm | ! Report

                No answer, seems I stumped you there young fella

              • October 18th 2017 @ 8:59pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 18th 2017 @ 8:59pm | ! Report

                Because you are so certain he cannot coach I just assumed you had some sort of credentials that could back up your opinion. As it seems you don’t, yes exercise your right to voice your opinion just make sure you have decent evidence to back up these claims alright cheeky chops ๐Ÿ™‚ it’s very sweet you desire my response so much harry, got to say if i was
                a woman it would be game on you charming hunk a spunk ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • October 17th 2017 @ 10:07am
        jutsie said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        essendon in noughties is clear lesson in what not do at trade time

        The ones that stick out immediately for me are
        – : Carlton has-beens in Murphy, Allan, Camporeale,
        – Bringing Paul Salmon back
        – Ty Zantuck
        – Cupido

        and thats not even looking at the players we traded out and how we utilised our top draft picks (*cough* kepler Bradley)

        • Roar Guru

          October 17th 2017 @ 11:35am
          JamesH said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:35am | ! Report

          Ty Zantuck, good grief.

          It was all part of Sheeds’ grand plan to keep the Dons in contention. Our performances at the draft and trade tables this decade have been much improved, thankfully.

      • October 17th 2017 @ 5:16pm
        David C said | October 17th 2017 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

        Collingwood haven’t learnt their lesson. It’s just they don’t have any picks to trade out and the salary cap is full. Won’t be doing much next year either. They are destined to be a mid table side for a few years.

    • October 17th 2017 @ 9:43am
      Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

      North are nothing now. Someone needs to write an article on how they went from 10-1 halfway through 2016 to the sad basket case they are now. As for Collingwood they need an inquiry into how they signed Mayne for 4 years!!! 4 years!!!! What the….

      • Roar Guru

        October 17th 2017 @ 10:37am
        Train Without A Station said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:37am | ! Report

        Does it take an article to determine they played the majority of their easiest games in the first 11 rounds, and then the majority of their toughest games late in the season?

        • October 17th 2017 @ 11:28am
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:28am | ! Report

          Come off it, they were 10-1 and looking like world beaters you can’t excuse their awful slide on the draw

          • Roar Guru

            October 17th 2017 @ 11:31am
            Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

            ‘looking like world beaters’? That’s one helluva revisionist outlook.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:36am
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

              How can a team be 10-1 and not be? They were the flag favourites at the time too unlike your team who start every year as monties to play finals but never a hope for a flag.

              • Roar Guru

                October 17th 2017 @ 1:31pm
                Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

                Whatever Peter. Remind me again how many years in a row your mob has gone backwards.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 1:55pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

                My names Harry and my team are the Bombers so go your hardest

              • Roar Guru

                October 17th 2017 @ 4:08pm
                Cat said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

                Lol, too easy, can’t be bothered jabbing you. I’m sure you’ve had enough needling of late.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 4:36pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

                Hysterical Cat got any comedy you wrote yourself? Fact is we, along with the now basket case Carlton are the most successful club in the history of the game. We racked up flags while you sat out at sleepy hollow for 43 years before you got a couple. You’re still not up with the big boys though and never will.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 10:14pm
                Mattician6x6 said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:14pm | ! Report

                East Fremantle are up there along with the pa magpies, just a reference for the future vfl flags need to be compared to wafl and sanfl flags in same period.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 2:25am
                Don Freo said | October 18th 2017 @ 2:25am | ! Report

                Oh! He’s that Peter? Say no more. He’ll be blocked soon.

          • Roar Guru

            October 18th 2017 @ 11:22am
            Train Without A Station said | October 18th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

            They looked like world beaters if you didn’t consider who they had played, and who they were yet to play…

      • October 17th 2017 @ 12:36pm
        Bretto said | October 17th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

        Quite. 4 years… Surely contracts should be based around playing in the firsts. Is the club really going to drop a player from the 1st team to save money on the contract? Highly doubtful. It puts pressure on the player to perform, and to back themselves to be in the best 22.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 3:38pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

          Bretto are you saying Collingwood 4 year contract with Mayne was performance based? I didn’t know that and haven’t read about it.

          • October 17th 2017 @ 9:31pm
            Bretto said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:31pm | ! Report

            No, definitely not saying that. Saying it should have been performance based. Same with Aish, and half the other muppets we pay overs for.

            • October 18th 2017 @ 10:30am
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

              Your club had an opportunity to be another Hawthorn after 2010 but has been dismantled thanks to Eddies ego. You will never play finals under Buckley.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 1:43pm
                Bretto said | October 18th 2017 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

                You be the preacher, I’ll be the choir.

              • October 18th 2017 @ 5:29pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:29pm | ! Report

                If they kept Mick you would’ve had a Hawthorn style dynasty

    • October 17th 2017 @ 9:56am
      Mattyb said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:56am | ! Report

      It was a good thing North didn’t get Martin,he has no long term benifit for them. Norths doing the right thing staying out of trades,it’s not their time,you draft for talent and trade for needs. The draft might be hit and miss but that’s where all the future champions are and good sides find and develop that talent.
      North have no idea yet what their long term needs are,it’s develop time now and worry about the needs when it’s known.

      • October 17th 2017 @ 11:34am
        Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

        That’s because just like Carlton they have no hope of contending over the next 5-7 years at which time 70% of their list will have changed. Brisbane, Gold Coast and Freo are the same

        • October 17th 2017 @ 12:15pm
          truetigerfan said | October 17th 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

          And your team, Harry? Who are they? Or is that too harsh a question, dude?

          • October 17th 2017 @ 3:38pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

            Bombers, go your hardest

            • October 17th 2017 @ 4:16pm
              truetigerfan said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

              That’d be too easy!

              • October 17th 2017 @ 4:47pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:47pm | ! Report

                Gotta love this Tiger bloke, one flag in 37 years and he is crowing and that was in the weakest finals series in memory after getting three home finals and the MRP obviously enforced by the AFL to let Cotchin and Ellis off. How can an organisation go 37 years with nothing and not get kicked out of the league is the question!

        • October 17th 2017 @ 5:22pm
          David C said | October 17th 2017 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

          Brisbanes list will not change 70%, they have made most of the changes already. The other 2 maybe.

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