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    After securing an eight-point win over Wales on Saturday morning, the Wallabies now face one of their biggest challenges of the year next week in the form of Eddie Jones and England.

    Bar Australia’s three Bledisloe Tests against the All Blacks, England – a team the Wallabies lost to four times last year – are the highest-ranked opponent on their plate in 2017.

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    » Five talking points from the match
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    » Re-live the match with our live blog

    Can they cap off a year that while frustrating at times has also shown some good signs of progress with a win against an old rival? Hard to say, but having the best possible team on the park will help.

    What changes should the Wallabies make to the team before they come up against England in a week’s time?

    For the answer to that all-important question, Roarers, we’re turning things over to you.

    Which of this week’s players have earned another go next time around, and which of them are headed back to the chalkboard?

    Who deserves to come right in, and who should be made to earn their place?

    In short – who comes in, who goes out?

    There will, we bet, be a variety of opinions on the matter, and in this week’s Roar Forum you are invited to let us know in the comments what yours is.

    For your reference, here’s the full team from the Test on Saturday night:

    Wallabies team versus Wales
    1. Scott Sio (40 Tests)
    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau (79 Tests)
    3. Sekope Kepu (88 Tests)
    4. Rob Simmons (79 Tests)
    5. Adam Coleman (19 Tests)
    6. Ned Hanigan (10 Tests)
    7. Michael Hooper (c) (76 Tests)
    8. Sean McMahon (23 Tests)
    9. Will Genia (vc) (85 Tests)
    10. Bernard Foley (vc) (52 Tests)
    11. Reece Hodge (21 Tests)
    12. Samu Kerevi (15 Tests)
    13. Tevita Kuridrani (55 Tests)
    14. Marika Koroibete (5 Tests)
    15. Kurtley Beale (68 Tests)

    Reserves
    16. Stephen Moore (126 Tests)
    17. Tom Robertson (16 Tests)
    18. Allan Alaalatoa (20 Tests)
    19. Matt Philip (1 Test)
    20. Ben McCalman (50 Tests)
    21. Nick Phipps (59 Tests)
    22. Karmichael Hunt (3 Tests)
    23. Henry Speight (18 Tests)

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    • November 12th 2017 @ 8:01am
      Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:01am | ! Report

      Quite happy for the team to remain mostly the same but for Hanigan to be replaced with McCalman.

      Kerevi wasn’t brilliant by any stretch but neither did Hunt cover himself in glory. Given that then surely there is value in continuity.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 8:13am
        Ruckin' Oaf said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

        I did think that the backline was unusually impotent in attack.. Hopefully they just need time to gel.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 4:17pm
          Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

          Yep, it was a bit concerning.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 5:10pm
            Dave_S said | November 12th 2017 @ 5:10pm | ! Report

            Rush up defence made it harder than against Japan. I’m reserving judgment. I didn’t see Kerevi get a lot of chances to impress, happy to see us persevere with him, as much as I’m a Hunt fan. Genia and Koro were very good, the rest did their jobs I thought.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 8:31am
        Bring Back...? said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:31am | ! Report

        Hmm…we’ve had this discussion pre match Fionn. Kerevi and Kuridrani don’t look like an effective centre pairing to me. Kerevi was easily handled by the Welsh in those tight channels – they know he’s going to run straight so the defence isn’t in 2 minds. Beale at 12 and Hunt at 15 – a straight swap Hunt for Folau and you have Hunt chiming in as much as Folau was.

        I thought it was a poor quality game – although Eddie was annoyed with England’s performance, he wouldn’t have seen much from the Wallabies to generate much concern.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 8:42am
          Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

          Kurtley is essentially playing the same role now (wearing the 15 jersey) as he was when he was wearing the 12 jersey. At fullback a majority of the time on defence, often chiming in on attack. I’d rather have the strong defence and better long passing of Hunt in the front line and Beale at fullback, but as I say above it doesn’t really matter which of them wear 12 and which wear 15.

          I agree it wasn’t a great game. That being said, we often play dour, grinding rugby against Wales, but they had great line speed that was a bit faster than we were used to. It looked like Cheika was testing more of a kicking game than we have been using previously. Beale and Foley’s chip kicks over the defence, the raking kicks into the corners and the attacking grubber was great, but Foley’s up and unders just handed Wales possession and momentum around halfway as we never competed well. Perhaps it would have worked better if Hodge had kicked it and it had gone higher, but I just think the rules as they currently are mean the up and under (and box kick) isn’t a great strategy unless you have an amazing high ball catcher like Folau.

          I just fear that without Folau and without Kerevi to try and compensate for the lack of Folau that the NH defences will be too good

          • November 12th 2017 @ 1:08pm
            Charlie Turner said | November 12th 2017 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

            I think Kerevi doesn’t work with Foley as FH. Foley needs a play maker outside him and Kerevi needs a FH that can put the ball in front of him with timing and precision in order to put him through holes. Kerevi only needs a half gap as he has the strength to burst through.

            Interesting the stats show territory and possession even for the match with the Welsh only missing 3 tackles to the Wallabies 20. The tackling stats are the inverse of the penalty count.

            Cheika came across as a DH again in the post match conference, criticising the officiating. Couldn’t he brush it off for once, thank the opposition then quietly take it up through the appropriate channels.

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          November 12th 2017 @ 9:22am
          Sluggy said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

          Kerevi out, Hunt in, otherwise no changes.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 11:51pm
            Rebellion said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:51pm | ! Report

            Hanigan out for Higginbotham

            Robertson out for Slipper

            Phipps out for Powell

            I would leave Kerevi in for another game over Hunt – who i feel is overrated and not much of a threat with ball in hand. If only James O’Connor wasn’t such a DH.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 4:51am
              Kibuib said | November 13th 2017 @ 4:51am | ! Report

              Higgers isn’t even in the squad…that said. McCalman for Henigan, Beale to 12, Hunt to FB

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              November 14th 2017 @ 1:29am
              ChrisG said | November 14th 2017 @ 1:29am | ! Report

              Right on!

        • November 12th 2017 @ 10:10am
          mzilikazi said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

          “I thought it was a poor quality game – although Eddie was annoyed with England’s performance, he wouldn’t have seen much from the Wallabies to generate much concern.”

          Sadly, I totally agree. WBs lucky that Wales made so many handling errors. Playing like that next week, WB’s won’t seriously challenge England.

          Re Hannigan, I actually thought he played quite well, and did a number of good things….but he is still too lightweight for test rugby currently….really do need McCalman starting v England.
          Reply

          • November 12th 2017 @ 11:46am
            Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

            Scrum and discipline were the biggest concerns.

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              November 12th 2017 @ 12:09pm
              PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

              Discipline yes and no.

              Not listening to ref’s instructions no excuse.

              Wallabies had decisions against them that were seen often but let go like the sealing off, both teams did it all game as happens most games.

              Offside penalties when on review they were not offside at ll just quickly rushing up AFTER the half picked up the ball from the ruck, in other words being penalised for being too quick despite being legal. Other side offside often and not penalised.

              Players look for consistency in refs to see what is being allowed and Jackson was not consistent. Yet another poor display by him. NZ refs are the worst refs in the world currently as a group.

              Scrum won’t be fixed whilst Robertson is in the team.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 4:14pm
                Reverse Wheel said | November 12th 2017 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

                So Robertson is on the field for 10 mins or so and you want to blame him for all of the scrum problems?

              • November 12th 2017 @ 8:06pm
                Taylorman said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:06pm | ! Report

                Well you should have considered Gardners effort, which makes Oz refs the worst at the moment. Before this it was the french….

                (Just seeing what it feels like to make a stupid statement)…

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              November 12th 2017 @ 12:34pm
              PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

              Who is helping with scrums now? Ledesma isn’t there, he left after the NZ game.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 9:28pm
                Cliff (Bishkek) said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

                Peter K and Fionn – below is what I posted on another Roar Article.

                Just one question. As Ledsma has been with the Wallabies since just before or just after the 2015 RWC, why is it that we still have problems with our scrum?

                Is it because Ledsma is not a good scrum coach, which is ridiculous in its statement? Or is it because our props are useless at learning the correct technique? Or is it because our locks do not bind correctly and support the scrum? Or is it because we never deliver an 8 man scrum?

                I find it very, very confusing to fathom our scrum.

                I agree 100% on Robertson but as said he was only on for 10 minutes. Are we slow learners? As professional players do they not remember the correct methods of packing, binding, etc.?

                I find it very, very confusing and utterly poor form on the remedy.

                Do you have an answer or does anyone have an answer. The problems I have with the Wallabies, and it is why I say we are not there yet and why we always seem to go two steps forward in one area and backwards in others. It makes me think that Australian Rugby players are lacking any form of nous or thought processes to be able to think and apply training to the field.

                The other is tackling – it is not hard!! 20 missed tackles – not good!

              • November 13th 2017 @ 6:38am
                Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:38am | ! Report

                I know, mate, it is weird that we haven’t managed to improve more in this period (although our scrum is far better than it once was).

                I too would like an answer to your question.

                Peter, no idea who the current scrum coach is.

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              November 13th 2017 @ 10:48am
              Timbo (L) said | November 13th 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

              Colemans first: First man there, Hands on the Ball, On his feet, Ineffective Clean out, Headgear and a noisy crowd.

              In my view he had rights to the ball, if he managed to hear the Ref, well, that’s on him. Right or wrong, you need to do what he says.

              Coleman’s second penalty was a bit rough.

              He was pinned under a Welsh player who was straddling him, If he had rolled he would have knocked the guy off his feet. Staying put was the best option to minimize his impact on the game. But when the half did his best TJ Perinara impersonation, pushing the ball down between 2 players to make it look like they were the reason for the play slowing down, he milked a penalty that shouldn’t have been there.

              I am not blaming the ref, but I give Coleman a free pass on that incident.

              It set Hoops up for a fall when he had his brain fade and entered the ruck “Ritchie style”.

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                November 14th 2017 @ 1:31am
                ChrisG said | November 14th 2017 @ 1:31am | ! Report

                If he entered the ruck “Ritchie style” he wouldn’t have been penalised!

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                November 14th 2017 @ 10:04am
                Timbo (L) said | November 14th 2017 @ 10:04am | ! Report

                He snuck into the same side gate, but unlike Ritchie, he forgot to check that the security guard wasn’t watching first. Same Action different situational awareness. Both against the rules.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 11:20am
          Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

          This is why Kerevi is best suited to 13 as opposed to 12. He’s obviously a big and abrasive runner but he’s still running to space as opposed to the man where crash-ball specialist 12’s will. He needs that bit of extra time and space you get at 13 to see the best of him.

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            November 12th 2017 @ 11:59am
            PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

            Kerevi made almost twice as many metres per run than Kuriidrani.

            Kuridrani missed almost half his tackles, made 6 and missed 5.
            Kerevi missed 0 tackles.made 6.

            With Hunt to organise the defence at 12 I would give consideration for Kerevi at 13 and not TK.

            It is obvious how much Folau is missed , very few tackles were broken or players beaten whilst nearly every carry beats a player or breaks the tackle.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 12:02pm
              Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

              Some of his ‘missed tackles’ were not really missed tackles, it was him running up for a hit and a guy tripping over and sliding under him literally into the arms of the next guy. Stats are misleading in this case, he had some good moments in attack and defence.

              Kerevi had some poor attacking runs but also had some good attacking runs.

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                November 12th 2017 @ 12:10pm
                PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

                Thats all fine but all the people are noticing Kerevi’s performance or lack of but Kuridrani was weaker in both defence and offence, only better in ball control, yet no mention of Kurdirani at all..

              • November 12th 2017 @ 12:20pm
                Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

                Yep much better than people are saying. Hope that he stays at 12 and then just impress on him the importance of getting his running height low, along with practicing scrummaging.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 12:26pm
              Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

              I didn’t say anything about Kuridrani’s performance. It was a comment about Kerevi being better suited to 13 and those stats don’t change that.

              I did see them and I agree, based on that game you’d have to suggest Kerevi in place of Kuridrani (who’s gone a few tests now without exactly setting the world on fire) has to come into the equation.

              Hodge at 12 alongside one of the Fijian boys is our best midfield combination at this point in time. After countless discussions with you on the topic of Hodge moving in, believe me I’m well-aware this is not your preference. What has happened since however is Hodge playing more than adequately at 10 for the Wallabies and while I think for big games his playmaking ability in the hot seat at 10 comes up short, he’s well and truly proven he has the capacity to get the job done in this regard at 12 where the responsibility isn’t as great. I do suspect though that this hasn’t changed your mind…

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                November 12th 2017 @ 12:32pm
                PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                I was supporting the argument of Kerevi at 13 over Kuridrani

                Hunt at 12 though moving Hodge means Speight gets a wing spot and against England’s kicking it would be very risky to have Speight and Koroiebete as the wings neither good under the highball or kicking.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 12:42pm
                Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

                Just as Beale has done from 12 all season long, Hodge can be positioned in the backfield to maintain this balance.

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                November 12th 2017 @ 12:48pm
                PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

                Hodge isn’t nimble enough nor have enough experience at 10 to then be dropping back on defence.

                Foley at 10 and Hunt at 12 is a lot better option.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 1:05pm
                Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

                Hodge at 12, not 10.

                He’s been playing on the wing and as it is regularly pops up in the midfield and closer in on defence on occasions. He’s plays a roving roll currently… he can defend in the backfield as required, no sweat.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 6:22pm
                Sam said | November 12th 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

                Rob9 I think you’re right there. Hodge has justified his selection at 11 and would probably keep that role for next week. He can play a secondary 12 but it’s a bonus rather than a requirement. The fact he could drop back to custodian or go to 10 in a pinch means Cheika could take a 6:2 bench to Twickenham without too much risk.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 9:30pm
              Cliff (Bishkek) said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:30pm | ! Report

              Peter – Kerevi has played for the Reds at SR but when he has been in that position for the Wallabies, his defence has been woeful!!

            • November 13th 2017 @ 8:19am
              Ozrugbynut said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:19am | ! Report

              He also turned the ball over in contact three times due to his body height running it up. NH side know that they can target Wallabies poor technique in this area and they have done (since Ireland In RWC2011) with varying degree of success, most recently Scotland. It’s just gotta be fixed!

      • November 12th 2017 @ 9:00am
        Hurles said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

        I’m a huge fan of both Kerevi and Hunt. That said, I think Hunt offers more at 12 than both Beale and Kerevi. Swap kerevi for Hunt. Hanigan out of the 23 for now, he’s not there yet.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 10:54am
        PiratesRugby said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

        McCalman for Hanigan should be an absolute no-brainer. So probably won’t happen.
        Hodge to 10 instead Foley. Only in an alternate reality where teams are selected on the basis of ability, form, balance etc. So not in a side selected and coached by Cheika.
        Hunt to 12. At first I thought Beale to 12 and Hunt to 15 but Hunt is one of the best tacklers in the backline and we would be better served with players just defending in position.
        Speight onto the wing.
        Philip into second row for Simmons.
        Don’t we have anyone other than Robertson for the bench?
        Powell instead of Phipps.
        Timani onto the bench to cover 6/8 so that Hanigan can watch the game in his blazer from the stands. England are going tear Hanigan a new one. He looks like every kid they ever flushed the head of in grammar school. He’s the kid who only made the starting XV because his father paid for the new auditorium. He’ll clock up more air miles than run metres as he gets knocked off rucks.
        A second rower other than Simmons for the bench. Is Simmons a mason? How does he keep getting selected?
        And, sadly, a hooker other than Moore for the bench. I think he was a really good player.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 5:14pm
          Dave_S said | November 12th 2017 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

          I thought Foley had a decent game (and I’m a QC fanboy). Hodge didn’t do anything vs Japan to make him obviously better.

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            November 12th 2017 @ 8:27pm
            Sluggy said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:27pm | ! Report

            Pirates seems to have missed that Philip is from Sydney Uni. I’m pretty sure if he knew that he would have called for him to be sent home or something.

            Sorry Pirates, try watching the game without the blinkers next time.

            James Corrigan in the UK telegraph:

            “Bernard Foley soon established himself as the game’s notable conductor and the more he touched the ball the more his side took control. There was not much in it – there rarely has been in the last decade between these two – but when a player such as Foley is using his boot as the baton, then it is so easy to be mesmerised by his tune.”

            • November 13th 2017 @ 7:55am
              PiratesRugby said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:55am | ! Report

              Foley can’t win you a game, he can only lose it. And you’ll never win a RWC with Foley at flyhalf.
              You ignored my compliment for Beale and my several years of slagging off Simmons. That Simmons is now a Tah is just an unfortunate coincidence for Australian rugby.

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        November 12th 2017 @ 12:03pm
        PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

        Fionn – Base on this game Hanigan deserves to stay.

        He was as effective as McMahon in attack and defense. He was very good in cover defense helping shutdown the wide breaks.

        Neither did well in clearing players off the rucks.

        Hanigan offers more in the lineouts that will be needed against England.

        Quite disappointed with McMahon that he can only have a top game , back to mediocrity again.

        You could argue McMahon should be dropped for McCalman instead.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 12:09pm
          Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

          I don’t base my decisions off of one match. He was still ineffective when carrying and at the ruck. So was McMahon today, but he shouldn’t lose his spot based on one average performance after performing very well for a number of matches in a row.

          McMahon has proven he is able to have an impact against the top teams in the world, Hanigan has not. McCalman is as good in the line out as Hanigan, and Philip is better than either of them and I think has played 6 in the past.

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            November 12th 2017 @ 12:14pm
            PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

            Agree not based on 1 game, it is just I like to be impartial and acknowledge relative performances and also that Hanigan did give an improved performance from his RC games.

            Tui should be available so I would drop both McMahon and Hanigan.

            Locks Coleman and Simmons
            6 – Tui
            8 – McCalman
            bench Philip and McMahon Hanigan out.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 1:21pm
              Charlie Turner said | November 12th 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

              I agree with this especially for England. Cheika won’t though!

          • November 12th 2017 @ 12:16pm
            cinque said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

            The guy I am concerned about is Simmons. Mentally and physically he wasn’t quite there. Philip could start instead of him. Don’t think he is fast enough around the paddock for 6.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 12:12pm
          cinque said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

          McMahon was quiet but did what he did well enough. Sometimes the flow of the game doesn’t go your way.

          Kerevi found himself in the thick of it, in attack and defence. He needed more support in contact. They were after him in numbers. Perhaps his support was thinking back to Japan, where he has able to do it all himself.

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            November 12th 2017 @ 12:16pm
            PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

            McMahon had plenty of ball carries but all ineffective as usual for him except if he is out wide (NZ game the exception).
            Also poor at the ruck, didn’t slow the ball down, no pilfers, didn’t clear out players.

            Hooper had significantly more positive impact.

            Agree about Kerevi.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 8:24am
              Ozrugbynut said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

              McMahon is always more effective in the back half of the game or against weaker opponents, for me he is a very good utility forward replacement whose place is on the bench. This should be forced when pocock is back (as much as I hate the pooper).

      • November 12th 2017 @ 12:23pm
        advrider-oz said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

        I watched Hunt make 3 tackles in 15 seconds…

        • November 12th 2017 @ 12:42pm
          Cynical Play said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

          Saw that. Cracker.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 5:16pm
            Dave_S said | November 12th 2017 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

            Yeah he’s Mr Second Effort isn’t he!

    • November 12th 2017 @ 9:14am
      Rob Malcolm said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

      Set piece is going to be under pressure – esp line-outs. Tempted to play Philip at 6 just to give TPN an extra tall option, although Hanigan at lineout has been good. McCalman OK at lineout – on par with Hanigan. He’s fresh and raring to go with plenty of experience. Hard one. I’ll go McCalman because his clean-outs are better.

      Don’t think Kerevi is going to have the impact in attack against England, and Hunt has better handling. Also in defence he is more solid. He should be better for that run and an extra week of practice. So Hunt into 12 for me.

      Biggest concern was the penalty count. No way we can win against England with a repeat of that count.

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        November 12th 2017 @ 12:21pm
        PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

        agree about lineouts

        Start Tui at 6 and McCalman at 8 to give 4 genuine options.
        Philip on bench as a 6/lock option.

        Tui deserves start ahead of Philip.

        Penalty count will be worse with the incompetent learner Ben O’Keefe as the ref.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 8:26am
        Ozrugbynut said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:26am | ! Report

        More impact at the breakdown through starting selections should go some way to fixing that

    • November 12th 2017 @ 9:38am
      Bob Wire said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:38am | ! Report

      A kicking game plan from MC’s Wallabies? Is that Eddie saying wtf? It’s a good ploy. Hunt in Kerevi out.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 10:07am
        Rhys Bosley said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        I know right?! I have noticed that they have been sneaking in more up and unders over the last couple of matches, but they seem to have added in kicks to into space this game. Not before time too, the attack was way too predictable.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 5:18pm
          Dave_S said | November 12th 2017 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

          Having Koro as a chaser makes it a genuine option

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        November 13th 2017 @ 10:57am
        Timbo (L) said | November 13th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

        Shock Horror, a varied kicking game forces the opposition to spread out to cover, thinning the defensive line, opening gaps to run through.
        Sending chasers after the ball puts the receiver under pressure forcing mistakes? Who would have thought?

        What an innovative. world leading approach.

        What is that you say? This is what everybody has been doing for years?

        Surely not!
        Cheikaball is be the only way and it must never be questioned, NEVER,… EVER!

        /End Sarcasm

    • November 12th 2017 @ 10:05am
      Rhys Bosley said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

      It was a pretty good effort and I don’t see the point in changing the team around for the sake of it. From what I saw Hanigan and Kerevi made reasonable contributions, and I would rather have the big game experience of Hunt and McCalman on the bench to close out the match.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 11:30am
        Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

        I’ve watched Hannigan closely for a number of tests now and I think you’re right, he’s making a contribution. His work rate is actually impressive, just at this stage it’s not as effective as it should be. He’s being dominated when he’s taking the ball up and he’s making little impact when hitting rucks. I’m sure with time as he develops physically and becomes more confident (and more sound technically in contact and at the breakdown) his impact will improve and he’ll be a fine Wallaby. I just don’t think starting as a Wallaby is the right way to fill the deficits he clearly has. Start Timani or McCalman, have him serve his apprenticeship under one or both of them, use him on the bench from time to time and develop that physicality at Super Rugby level. Start your best 6 (although there aren’t exactly hands springing up to claim it either) not who could one day become the best 6. Let him do the hard work required not at the rest of the teams expense.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 12:45pm
          Cynical Play said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

          Hannigan’s work rate is good. He is fit and good in the line-out, both jumping and lifting. HE has been in camp for months and knows the plays. But…. he offers little in attack and that doesn’t get him a starting spot for mine.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 12:52pm
            Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

            Agree with all that.

            Forgot to mention what he offers in the line out where he’s an asset in this regard too.

            But still not where he needs be to start.

            Look at 22 there are some positive signs there and one can hope that the strength he lacks with ball in hand and hitting the ruck will come. If one positive can come from him earning many more caps than he should have to his name, he could be ready for an absolute blinder of a season with the Tahs and by the time June rolls around next year he could find himself in the position where he’s genuinely earnt a crack at starting.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 12:51pm
          Rhys Bosley said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

          The fact is though that with such as short back line having our best lineout six will be very important, especially against that lineout thief Itoje and with the Wallabies scoring so often off the lineout. Of the three you mention Hannigan is the best. The way to offset any disadvantage at the breakdown is for the Wallabies tight five to step up and for the Wallabies to set a fast pace, to minimise tangles in tight and to suit their light, fast loosies. I think whichever team dictates terms on how the game is played will win this one.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 12:56pm
            Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

            Think Philips and Tui have played at 6, and I know Simmons has, and all of them would be our best line out 6s. Question and potential stumbling block is whether they are too slow to play at blindside flanker at international level.

            I think practicing scrums and discipline are the two most important things, along with having a long think about what sort of kicks we go for, and when. Good to see us kicking more, but we need more kicks over the head of the defenders into the corners and onto the grass as opposed to up and unders.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 9:49pm
              Rhys Bosley said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:49pm | ! Report

              I like the up and unders, they force defenders back out of the line but are contestable, especially with some of the good aerial units like Folau, Hodge and Hannigan that we have now. The long kicks to the corners are good too, but the opportunity needs to present to pull if off. Personally I am just glad that they finally have a kicking game at all.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 1:01pm
            Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

            Especially for England, I’d be taking physicality at the breakdown over a more established jumper any day. This is even more important with Hooper as our 7 and a more lightweight 8 in McMahon. If we let them dictate terms at the contact zone (which I believe that back 3 will to a degree), England will tear us apart. We need to put runners on their backs and slow down their front foot ball. Hanigan will do nothing on this front. Timani can go missing when he starts so he’s unproven in such a big game for mine. McCalman starts and Timani on late (provides a legitimate option at 6 and 8) for impact.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 2:32pm
              Rhys Bosley said | November 12th 2017 @ 2:32pm | ! Report

              In fairness the Wallabies just played a game where they won 96 percent of their rucks. And the All Blacks game in Dunedin, in which Hannigan played and which the Wallabies almost won, wasn’t lost at the breakdown. They won 95% in that game too, something that just won’t happen if their six wasn’t making an adequate contribution.

              I am not a huge fan of the guy, but I think that quite a few people have developed a fix on him due to a couple of poor perfomances, as we see so often out of people commenting on these pages.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 3:05pm
                Rob9 said | November 12th 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

                I think you’ll find four fifths of the tight 5 (those bar Simmons) are doing a lot of the heavy lifting in this regard. In any event, when we have turned out some of our best performances this year Hanigan played under half an hour in the Bloemfontein draw and 8 minutes in the Suncorp win.

                As I’ve said, I’ve watched Hanigan closely in the last couple of tests cause just casually watching I was noticing him a lot but nothing was wowing me. Sure enough it appears he gets around which is a great attribute for a loosie, but his physical presence with the ball in hand and at the breakdown is almost nonexistent. He’s actually costing us dearly because as a ball runner he gets held up and pushed back so instead of going forward his runs tend to kill off any momentum we may have built while he’s regularly off the mark with his clean out attempts which often result in a ‘holding on’ penalty.

                We’ll get a breakdown challenge against England like we haven’t had yet this season and it’s one I don’t believe he’s up for.

    • November 12th 2017 @ 10:06am
      Harry said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

      McCalman in, Timani on the bench, Hanigan out.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 11:05am
        cinque said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

        Timani’s card is marked “injury cover only”

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        November 12th 2017 @ 12:23pm
        PeterK said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

        Timani played poorly in baa baas and against Japan.

        Far too slow, not hitting or running with much physicality. A shadow of the player he was last year, he shouldn’t be selected.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 4:21pm
          Reverse Wheel said | November 12th 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

          This is the thing. We all love the idea of Timani but he just isn’t stepping up. 2 years ago the roar was anointing Kyle Godwin as the solution to all our woes, turns out the coaches knew better. Seems to be the same thing with Timani.

    • November 12th 2017 @ 10:06am
      Reverse Wheel said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

      Nice to know you can get caned in the penalties and still win relatively comfortably though.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 10:08am
        Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

        Only comfortable because of Beale’s brilliance though. And Genia’s effort. I thought Wales played reasonably well and with a lot of enthusiasm.

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          November 13th 2017 @ 11:00am
          Timbo (L) said | November 13th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

          I got awfuly nervous on that last conversion attempt.
          If that went over, a converted try to Wales would have won it for them.

          They lost their enthusiasm after it missed the sticks.

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