Cooper ‘not part’ of Queensland plans

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    Quade Cooper’s rollercoaster rugby union career has hit another down, with the former Wallaby playmaker set to look overseas for a new home after falling out of favour with new Queensland Reds coach Brad Thorn.

    The Reds’ most-capped back with 117 appearances, 29-year-old Cooper appears to no longer be part of Queensland’s plans.

    Both Cooper and halfback Nick Frisby, who won five Test caps off the bench in 2016, are on the outer, despite being contracted to the Reds for nest year.

    The Reds won’t stand in either man’s way if they’re offered a contract elsewhere.

    “I’ve had honest conversations with Quade Cooper and Nick Frisby about where they currently sits in our plans for 2018,” Thorn said.

    “They are not training with the Reds at the moment and will be training with training their club instead.”

    Reds Super Rugby player Quade Cooper

    (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

    Skilful playmaker’s Cooper’s 70-Test career also appears over, after having been left out of coach Michael Cheika’s Wallabies squad since his last match against Italy five months ago.

    Cooper was brought back by Queensland in 2015 from French club Toulon and still has two seasons left on his Reds contract.

    He is again likely to seek overseas options with very little chance of being secured by another Australian Super Rugby franchise.

    The Brumbies confirmed on Sunday they already had a full roster for next year.

    The Rebels, who have signed Cooper’s long-term Reds and Wallabies halves partner Will Genia, said they were too advanced in their planning for 2018 to consider him.

    NSW have first-choice Wallabies five-eighth Bernard Foley firmly entrenched as their starting No.10.

    Japanese or European clubs could potentially offer Cooper a new home.

    Australian under-20s star Hamish Stewart is the only other specialist five-eighth on the Reds roster, though emerging centre Duncan Paia’aua played at 10 for the Wallabies against the Barbarians this year and could also fill that spot.

    Frisby, 25, lost his starting spot to James Tuttle over the last few rounds of this year’s Super Rugby competition.

    The Reds still have three other halfbacks on their books apart from Frisby in Tuttle, Moses Sorovi and uncapped Tate McDermott.

    With former Wallabies hooker and captain Stephen Moore deciding not to play on next year and legendary Test back-rower George Smith’s future clouded by a potentially career-ending back injury, the Reds are undergoing a changing of the guard under Thorn.

    With a glut of good young locks emerging, Queensland had previously released experienced Wallabies lock Rob Simmons.

    Dual rugby code international Thorn is clearly investing in local youth after enjoying success with the Queensland under-20 Super teams in 2016-17 and leading Queensland Country to the 2017 NRC title.

    © AAP 2018

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    • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:03am
      Tylorman said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:03am | ! Report

      Blues should pick him up, whats there to lose? Clearly is out of favour with oz rugby at the pro level.

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        December 3rd 2017 @ 7:54am
        Paulo said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:54am | ! Report

        That actually may not be that bad an idea. Think his style could work well with the flair the Blues can pack into their backline. Maybe they could recapture some of that Spencer-era magic again.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:06am
          Tylorman said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:06am | ! Report

          (Pssst, well just between me and you Id rather have Spencer now, I hear hes playing the tens at his forty plus years and geez he looks on better shape than most twenty year olds 😀)

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 2:49pm
            Jacko said | December 3rd 2017 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

            Spot on Tman Quade was only ever a poor mans Spencer anyway

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:00pm
              Muzzo said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

              Pretty right there Jacko, as Carlos was a player that not many people knew what he was doing, even his team mates. Lol .

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:18pm
                Jacky said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:18pm | ! Report

                You are nothing but a sarcastic precious Kiwi who can’t get over the Richety Grub incident

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:01pm
              Rhys Bosley said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

              What did Spencer do that was so much better? They both lost World Cup semi finals for their country.

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                December 3rd 2017 @ 3:13pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

                And here I was thinking 15 blokes played for both of those teams…

              • December 4th 2017 @ 12:09am
                Jumbo said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:09am | ! Report

                Qc the man that never reached the heights aus pundits predicted.

          • December 4th 2017 @ 5:09am
            mania said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:09am | ! Report

            didnt i say that thorn would have a no dik heads policy and dump cooper?

            • December 4th 2017 @ 8:16am
              enoughisenough said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

              How churlish of you, a sad and bitter comment by a precious Kiwi who has never got over a trifling incident, started by McCaw anyway, on the rugby field.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:37am
                mania said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

                jus stating facts… and i was right

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:51am
                Jock Cornet said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:51am | ! Report

                Qc has been a complete mercenary with a me me me , total disregard to the team philosophy. Since his knee injury he has been completely useless and yea a complete Dik.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 1:20pm
                enoughisenough said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

                Its a pity customs and immigration don’t have a similar policy. You and your type would be left to wallow in your own petty, small minded viciousness in your own insignificant little isle.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 1:33pm
                Jumbo said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

                In typical aussie fashion he’s been discarded when not needed. If he hadn’t of lost respect in his homeland, he would of been welcomed back with open arms. If only he stayed in nz and was managed better, who knows the heights he could have reached.

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                December 4th 2017 @ 1:56pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

                You do realise he didn’t come to Australia to play rugby right?

                His family immigrated here for their own reasons…

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                December 4th 2017 @ 1:58pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

                Though I do love the terming it “In typical Aussie fashion” when discussing a decision made by a kiwi coach!

              • December 4th 2017 @ 1:28pm
                mania said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

                enoughisenough ouch im hurt . but what does immigration policy and australian xenophobia have to do with rugby and this blog? WTF?

                dont worry quades no loss and reds will be way better without him

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                December 4th 2017 @ 2:02pm
                piru said | December 4th 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

                enoughisenough

                1) That’s back to back and three time world cup winning insignificant little isle to you, peasant.

                2) No one in New Zealand cares about this ‘incident’ between McCaw and Cooper.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 2:49pm
                ClarkeG said | December 4th 2017 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

                enough is enough…if you only knew when.

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                December 4th 2017 @ 5:23pm
                jeznez said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

                enoughisenough, if you are going to embark on xenophobic rants then please try for at least a touch of accuracy.

                I think you meant “your TWO insignificant little isles.”

              • December 4th 2017 @ 5:31pm
                Diggercane said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:31pm | ! Report

                Hehehe Jez, very good.

                We must be accurate. 😂

              • December 4th 2017 @ 5:35pm
                rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:35pm | ! Report

                What about Stewart Island?

              • December 4th 2017 @ 6:34pm
                Diggercane said | December 4th 2017 @ 6:34pm | ! Report

                Yes, good point.

                On reflection, it is obvious enoughisenough is referring to the South isle. 😉

              • Roar Rookie

                December 4th 2017 @ 6:43pm
                piru said | December 4th 2017 @ 6:43pm | ! Report

                That’s cold Digger

              • December 4th 2017 @ 9:03pm
                Diggercane said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:03pm | ! Report

                Just a little joke to lighten the mood Piru.

                It seemed to work a treat 😂

              • December 4th 2017 @ 8:46pm
                enoughisenough said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:46pm | ! Report

                Xenophobia, I think not. I will however admit to dislike of petty little keyboard warriors who have an irrational hatred of a player who somehow once challenged their fragile sense of self worth. That many of them come from an insignificant little fly speck in the Pacific has little to do with it. I’d dislike people like you wherever you came from.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 7:56am
                rebel said | December 5th 2017 @ 7:56am | ! Report

                That’s a unique ability you have to contradict yourself in such a short space.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 6:10am
                Riccardo said | December 5th 2017 @ 6:10am | ! Report

                Yeah… nah.

                Xenophobia.

                Would also appear you are the very definition of the keyboard warrior you so decry.

                Was it the 2011 World Cup where Quade was threatening?

                Prior to that career defining blunder his partnership with Will was quite something.

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                December 5th 2017 @ 6:33am
                Fionn said | December 5th 2017 @ 6:33am | ! Report

                It was very good in 2013 also. Just hasn’t had many minutes that haven’t been interrupted by injuries since. Injured for most of 2012 SR, injured in a lot of 2014, injured a lot of 2015, injured a lot of 2016 and Genia had moved away.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 7:14am
                Andy said | December 5th 2017 @ 7:14am | ! Report

                Huge assumptions their, maybe there’s other reasons apart from the McKaw incident that he refers to him as a dh maybe stealing people’s laptops and other similar acts

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                December 5th 2017 @ 11:59am
                piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

                Xenophobia, I think not. I will however admit to dislike of petty little keyboard warriors who have an irrational hatred of a player who somehow once challenged their fragile sense of self worth. That many of them come from an insignificant little fly speck in the Pacific has little to do with it. I’d dislike people like you wherever you came from.

                So much irony in so few words.

                Denies Xenophobia before making xenophobic statements.
                Decries keyboard warriors whilst simultaneously making comments he would never make to someone’s face.

                I think you’re right mate, enough is enough

              • December 5th 2017 @ 2:17pm
                Dave said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

                Butt-hurt much?

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:23am
        Redsback said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:23am | ! Report

        How is it that this story gets released in 5 pars on AAP? Quade deserves better. I am personally quite devastated that I have probably seen him play live for the last time. He deserves better than this.

        I’m not convinced Stewart is a 10-year Red or that he will take the step up. That said, with Paui’ua and Hunt there should be enough depth to cover next year, unlike in previous seasons.

        Cooper is clearly never going to be picked for the Wallabies again with Chieka’s as coach and Chieka’s not going anywhere, so we may as well fill the position with someone who is a chance of getting a call up.

        To Quade: you’ve had a wonderful career with the Reds and none of us will ever forget 2011. 2013 was also a cracker. Your game against the Lions, with no quality players around you, was astounding and only personal differences stopped you from getting selected for that series: you deserved it. I really hope you go off and get a huge Japanese contract or, failing that, train up to take on the Hornet. Thanks for the memories.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:33am
          Selector said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

          I agree with everything you have said Redsback.
          It also annoys me that they did this now after everyone’s squads have been locked down.
          I personally hope he goes to Japan and earns bulk cash and extends his career for a few years, but maybe he may have been interested in joining Genia one last time and playing with the Rebels, then the Reds could have signed Lance.

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            December 3rd 2017 @ 8:39am
            PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:39am | ! Report

            yes the timing seems very very personal.

            Hurts reds a lot since qc has 2 years to run on his contract.

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:00pm
              Charlie Turner said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

              I think he has an ARU contract for 2018 too? I think Cooper should just play for Souths and take the easy money.

            • Roar Guru

              December 3rd 2017 @ 3:27pm
              Fox Saker said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

              Thorn would have had his reasons and let’s be honest – it isn’t rocket science to see several reasons why.

              • Roar Guru

                December 3rd 2017 @ 3:31pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:31pm | ! Report

                Because of the criticisms that people make, which don’t in anyway align with any sort of objective statistical evidence, to suggest he is inferior to other players in his position?

                Like that criticism that he’s a poor defender for a 10. Despite the fact that statistics, which I reference because they are impartial not an opinion, say he doesn’t miss more tackles than the majority of 10s. For one example.

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                December 3rd 2017 @ 3:35pm
                PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

                actually none that didn’t allow him to evaluate him properly at training after informing him what he wanted to see.

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:59pm
                Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:59pm | ! Report

                Fox Saker, ‘it ain’t rocket science’ when prejudice needs no evidence.
                So many prejudiced opinions here on this thread.
                You guys ‘care’ so much. It’s touching that you and Tman, Muzzo and the like, have taken the time to come on here today to gift us the benefit of your insights on the ‘flaws’ of Q.Cooper.
                How generous you are with your wisdom.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 8:21am
                Muzzo said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

                Hey Ken, show me where on this thread have I said anything on the flaws of Quade? most of posts have been about Brad. Pointing the finger, at some, you really need to get it right……

            • December 4th 2017 @ 9:38pm
              PiratesRugby said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:38pm | ! Report

              It seems as though there is more to it. I never got why Cheika disliked him so much either. Is Quade uncoachable?

            • December 5th 2017 @ 11:09am
              Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

              Thorn is a grub…A massive Kiwi GRUB..Must be hard having to look at the bloke who belted his little mate Ritchie everyday and team beat him 4 times in one season .So he had a sook and sacked Quade.Can never trust a sheep shagger in red clothing..Throw Thorn back over the ditch.You just can never trust them.Who is next? Higgers?

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                December 5th 2017 @ 11:42am
                piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 11:42am | ! Report

                Must be hard having to look at the bloke who belted his little mate Ritchie everyday and team beat him 4 times in one season

                I doubt he even remembers tbh, how long ago was that?

              • December 5th 2017 @ 12:11pm
                Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

                if Thorn cant remember that, he must have had too many headknocks and should not be head coach.

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                December 5th 2017 @ 12:35pm
                piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

                There’s been a lot of wins against much bigger fish since then mate.

                Do you think Justin Bieber remembers every autograph he signs?

              • December 5th 2017 @ 1:08pm
                Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

                Who`s Justin Beiber ??

              • Roar Rookie

                December 5th 2017 @ 1:25pm
                piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

                Who`s Justin Beiber ??

                oh sorry I assumed you’d be a fan.

                Miley Cyrus then?

              • December 5th 2017 @ 2:03pm
                Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

                Who`s Miley Cyrus ? you seem to know him well, like Justin Beiber….

              • Roar Rookie

                December 5th 2017 @ 2:08pm
                piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

                That’s all the pop stars I know sorry.

                You get the point though, Cooper is nothing to Thorn or NZ .

              • December 5th 2017 @ 2:20pm
                Dave said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

                Butt-hurt much?

              • December 6th 2017 @ 12:40pm
                Marto said | December 6th 2017 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

                Dave, look after your brother Piru, he is still trembling and quivering after seeing his hero Bradley Thorn coaching his now favourite super rugby team. ooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !!

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                December 6th 2017 @ 12:54pm
                piru said | December 6th 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

                I only really get involved in these threads for Marto’s banter,but he seems to have run out of material or got himself stuck in a feedback loop

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:26pm
            Jacky said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:26pm | ! Report

            Agreed Redsback and Selector Have never known any sportsman who has suffered at the hands of so many precious little ignorant dills.It sickens me and I would like to meet the man who can hold his tongue such a position.He made a mistake with Deans but has been the perfect gentleman since but no credit is given him.
            I hope that if he can’t join Will at the Rebels then Twiggy signs him for his comp.Just hope he gets opportunity to show up those who have wrecked a great career

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:05pm
              Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:05pm | ! Report

              Jacky, your words would echo the thoughts of many.
              Thorn has handled this clumsily.
              (Cheika’s mistakes dwarf Thorn’s though)
              I hope Quade stays on full pay waiting for the idiocy of his non selection to expire.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 7:58am
                Redsfan1 said | December 4th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

                Thorn met him personally and told him to his face. How is that clumsy?

                Most overrated player in Australian rugby. A player who can have terrible game after terrible game but his fans will still go on about 2011 or blame coache’s game plans for his high error count. Any other player would have been dumped years ago.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 8:33am
                Selector said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

                Thorn doesn’t just owe it to Quade, he owes better to us fans as well in how this was done.
                What are your plans then?
                Why is this decision made now?
                What is your contingency?
                Why have you left it so late, r u going to fill his and Frisbys spot in the squad? If so, the one decent 10 (Lance) left available just got signed 2 weeks ago.

                The way it was poorly dropped into the media is clumsy.

                I am a Thorn fan and wish him well, but this is not a great start to his tenure. This will also significantly divide his fan base.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:35am
                Tylorman said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:35am | ! Report

                Which prior to this must have really been ultra solid…

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                December 4th 2017 @ 12:25pm
                Hoy said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

                Prior to this I think it was bloody nervous… he is a rookie coach, with VERY little experience.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:20am
          ethan said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

          Got to say I’m shocked by this as well. Quade has his shortcomings (defence), but wouldn’t it have been so much better for Thorn to work with Quade and fix it? As there is upside there no one else can match. Stewart has proved a rugged player, but hasn’t screamed the saviour yet.

          I can only image QC isn’t interested in improving his defence, or as Pete said, its something more personal.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 2:33pm
            Charlie Turner said | December 3rd 2017 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

            Such an unnecessary risk from Thorn and he will have alienated the majority of the Reds faithful. Maybe it’s personal, maybe it’s conduct related, whatever….the Reds fans deserve more than “he’s not part of our plans”.

            I rate Paia’aua but he’s not a FH and Stewart is still relatively unknown.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:07pm
            double agent said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:07pm | ! Report

            He’d be the best 10 in QLD by a country mile. Baffling.

          • December 4th 2017 @ 1:49pm
            Reality said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

            This Reds fan is pleased that logic over nostalgia has prevailed, as always it took an outsider to do it.

            Problem is, he’s always had his short comings and he has done nothing to fix them, he has never been a world class 10, Carter, Barrett, Wilkinson. He’s not even come close close to Spencer. Sure he can run the ball, but you can’t be a one-trick pony at this level in that position. Tactical kicking was appalling, place kicking was appalling, defence was appalling, there’s three critical aspects of a ten that he was terrible at.

            Unfortunately you can’t live off a few fleet footed movements from your younger days and he never became the mature controlled playmaker with age, then you’ve got to ask what the point is in retaining him.

            Personally I thought the young kid (Sorry forgot his name??) in 2015 was showing good progress before he was ditched like a leper for the prodigal son.Now that was bad form!

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              December 4th 2017 @ 3:57pm
              Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 3:57pm | ! Report

              Got to love a comment that starts with the talk of logic prevailing, and then goes on to make a bunch of illogical comments.

              His goal kicking was not exceptional. But neither appalling. Likewise his tactical kicking. Whilst not legendary, he is probably the best tactical kicker in Australia. Australia may be lacking but that’s the pool he’s competing with for selection.

              And as for appalling defence. It’s only opinions that say that. Statistics that are flawed, but impartial don’t show him to be any more of a risk than other playmakers.

              Jake McIntyre never looked up to standard. And the gulf between him and Cooper was shown in the 3 games Cooper missed where he played 10 and the Reds scored 2 less tries per game and let in more tries per game.

              The fact is that despite all the irrational haters, every impartial metric shows that the Reds have been better off with Cooper, than without him.

              Maybe that will change. But there’s very little to suggest that’s highly likely at this stage.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 8:46pm
                Reality said | December 5th 2017 @ 8:46pm | ! Report

                His kicking was appalling at SR and international standard. looking at his stats the best he managed was 69.4% over SR career (way higher than his international). BF who is a distinctly average kicker is on 74.1%. I think calling his kicking appalling is warranted, obviously we all have a scale here, he falls into the appalling classification for me. I would not say that’s an illogical comment.

                His defence was so bad that our defensive tactic was to get him out of the way, I’m not sure you can say that isn’t appalling.

                I’ll give you positional kicking may be an exaggeration , but I’ll stand by appalling for goal kicking and defence.

                “The fact is that despite all the irrational haters, every impartial metric shows that the Reds have been better off with Cooper, than without him.” show me some impartial metrics then!?

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 1:08pm
          Reverse Wheel said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

          Glad to see this is Cheika’s fault. Was worried for a second there that two top level coaches both concluding that they didn’t want him might imply some fault on behalf of the player so glad to see that isn’t the case.

          • Roar Guru

            December 3rd 2017 @ 1:21pm
            Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

            He never said this was Cheika’s fault.

            He said that in addition to this, that Cheika wasn’t interested in him so he should look elsewhere.

            Was Quade’s performance for the Wallabies in June not adequate for a bench flyhalf?

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:41pm
              GIGS20 said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:41pm | ! Report

              There’s no such thing as a bench Flyhalf in the Cheika Wallabies, there’s Bernard Foley and daylight.

              There isn’t even injury cover, there’s Reece Hodge who is in the team and can fill the gap until Foley is fit.

            • December 4th 2017 @ 8:00am
              Redsfan1 said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:00am | ! Report

              No his terrible performances for the Reds were enough as a Cheika has already said, now the Reds want him gone too. I don’t know how much more obvious it has to be that this bloke is not a good consistent footy player?

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 2:41pm
            Ruckin Oaf said | December 3rd 2017 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

            And you only have to consider for a moment just how effective Cheika has been as a selector to realise the full impact of him passing a player over.

            • Roar Guru

              December 3rd 2017 @ 2:46pm
              Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

              Cheika didn’t consider Lopeti Timani, Adam Coleman of Mike Ala’alatoa worthy of Super Rugby game time for example.

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:47pm
                rebel said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:47pm | ! Report

                Literally or figuratively

        • December 4th 2017 @ 6:42am
          Buk said | December 4th 2017 @ 6:42am | ! Report

          Redsback, thanks for your posting. Quade Cooper in 2011 one of the outstanding attacking 10’s in world rugby, brilliant sidestep, and his passing and delayed passing often brilliant. Yes did some dumb things in his early days, but haven’t we all at some stage. Kept going despite all the stick he got in NZ, which took guts.
          I am also sorry to no longer see him in a Reds/Wallabies jersey.

        • December 4th 2017 @ 11:53am
          Jock Cornet said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

          Yeah doesn’t have to tackle in Japan, put that in his contract. A complete cat.

          • December 4th 2017 @ 1:25pm
            enoughisenough said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

            A complete cat eh Jock? Whereas you are a mighty keyboard warrior aren’t you? Pathetic.

          • Roar Guru

            December 4th 2017 @ 1:33pm
            Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

            Bet you’d be too much of a cat to say that to his face though.

            • December 5th 2017 @ 7:17am
              Rebellion said | December 5th 2017 @ 7:17am | ! Report

              I think I’m just about done with this code. Have gone in 3 seasons from watching every Reds and Wallabies game to about 20% of Super rugby games & just 3x internationals this season

              You’d be a fool for thinking Chieka’s favouritism and meddling within the ARU hasn’t contributed to this situation as he flat out refuses to pick him in a Wallaby (even extended) squad

              I couldn’t think of anything better than to kick the Tahs and NSW officials out of Super & International rugby for a few seasons, just to get things back in order. They remind me of the cops in the Underbelly: Golden Mile series – systemically corrupt and rotten to the core.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 8:07am
                concerned supporter said | December 5th 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

                Rebellion,
                Are you serious?
                What has NSW to do with Brad Thorn not wanting Quade?
                He is a Queenslander you know, very warped posting of yours.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 9:58am
                Rebellion said | December 5th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

                Chieka has frozen him out of consideration for the test side purely for personal reasons – he put-performed Foley in last year’s tests.
                If you don’t consider this a contributing factor then you have to question your own logic

              • December 5th 2017 @ 10:08am
                G Slacker said | December 5th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

                You have to question the logic of someone who takes their own assumption and presents it as fact, despite there being literally no evidence to support that assumption.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 9:12am
        Two Cents said | December 3rd 2017 @ 9:12am | ! Report

        Would love to see him play any of the NZ Super teams. But the Blues would be great fit for him. Especially playing along side his mate SBW.

        • December 4th 2017 @ 9:29am
          Howzat ! said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:29am | ! Report

          I wonder if he’d fit into any of Twiggy’s plans ?

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:49am
        Rugby Tragic said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:49am | ! Report

        TM … please confirm … just want to make sure I’m reading right. For starters I’m not sure he will play for $80,000 per season or thereabouts …

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:52am
        Rugby Tragic said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

        Also, we have Stephen Perofeta….:)

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 1:27pm
          Muzzo said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

          Hi RT,
          Yep mate I really like the looks of this young fella. He looks a quality player, in the making.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 2:42pm
            Ruckin Oaf said | December 3rd 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

            He better be a quality player as of right now.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:38pm
          cuw said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

          @Rugby Tragic

          DUDE , the problem Blues have had for a few years is not having an older head at 10.

          u missed the boat with PISI. then tried a league guy and even a 12 at 10.

          i was hoping u guys will get Donald or even Delaney .

          sorry i admire Pulu , but he aint the captain u guys need.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 9:06pm
            Rugby Tragic said | December 3rd 2017 @ 9:06pm | ! Report

            cuw our problems were not only non performing players, I think it is much wider and deeper than that … All we have been is a nursery for players when other put the finishing touch on them… We really need to do some soul searching, the emotional connection even with members is not as it was years ago; the Blues management and coaching team are too reactive rather than proactive in driving the franchise forward.

            I do not disagree with your opinion of Pulu but that is only our opinion. Blues have not had a decent on field captain since Kevvy, but this thread is not the one to air our dirty washing.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 12:37pm
        Muzzo said | December 3rd 2017 @ 12:37pm | ! Report

        Lol T/man, you really have some talent up there in Auckland mate, & i’m sure with the likes of Otere Black, under Tana, you will see the best of him. Even young Stephen Perofeta, is not to rusty.
        In truth, we could do with a good sound play maker, to back up Lima, at the Landers, mate, since we lost Marty Banks. Cheers.

        • Roar Rookie

          December 3rd 2017 @ 12:42pm
          Shane D said | December 3rd 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

          Black did his ACL in the NPC. Was looking forward to him getting some game time next season but will have to wait until 2019 by the look of it.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 1:25pm
            Muzzo said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

            Sorry to hear that Shane, as I was really looking forward to seeing Black have some real quality time in the middle. Definitely not good..

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:40pm
              cuw said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

              and there lies the problem.

              Blued packed all their eggs in the Black basket. now they have to reinvent plans.

              they shud have bought an old head for 10. at least for a couple of years.

              even the mighty crusaders have an oldie as backup.

              nothing beats experience – look at the BLITZBOKKE 🙂

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 9:18pm
                Rugby Tragic said | December 3rd 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

                cuw, that is not entirely correct .. moves and approaches were made for Otere Black last year but he declined and basically sat on the Canes bench for the year and the Blues had to settle for the likes of Ihaia West who just did not gel with the coaches in Auckland and Gatland to back him up. … when you look at the combinations of other NZ sides, we stack up as poor cousins.

                West had basically 3 years and he is a player who does brilliant things during a game but invariably undoes the positives by wrong option taking …. time and time again.

                in 2018, I would have hoped to see Sam Nock and Perofeta be given the opportunity to develop together as they did in the U20’s but that is unlikely now with Pulu being named Skipper

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:28pm
        winston said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

        Definitely

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:11pm
          Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:11pm | ! Report

          Sorry to interrupt Muzzo, Tman, cuw et alia, We understand that this is an ‘all about Auckland thread’, but one of our top line players has just been dropped by his coach without notice.
          Please excuse us if we stay on topic.

          • December 4th 2017 @ 8:16am
            Muzzo said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

            Yeh you can carry on,Ken, we’ll catch up, eventually, we realise Quade has these problems ATM, but like most of Kiwi stock, I’m sure he will survive. Look after that leg, mate, it’s a pity, but I’m sure Piney won’t be saying to much about it now. Cheers.

      • December 6th 2017 @ 8:46am
        mania said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

      • December 7th 2017 @ 11:04am
        Jumbo said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:04am | ! Report

        Who really cares about this guy.

    • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:37am
      Jock Cornet said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:37am | ! Report

      About time ? He is an absolute shocker, send him to the rebels so he can get millions for producing donuts . Well done Thorney

      • Roar Rookie

        December 3rd 2017 @ 10:31am
        papagaai said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

        Brad, I salute you sir. Dump the disruptive little white ant.
        I can just imagine what was said in the All Black locker rooms when you were playing against him.

        • Roar Guru

          December 3rd 2017 @ 10:47am
          PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

          They would have said you need to watch qc very carefully, heavily mark him with multiple players, take away his time and space since he is one of the few players in the Wallabies who can really hurt us.

          • Roar Rookie

            December 3rd 2017 @ 12:58pm
            Shane D said | December 3rd 2017 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

            Yep, read any books by recent NZ players & coaches & they talk about QC being a player they had to be aware of at all times while defending.

            • December 7th 2017 @ 10:36am
              RugbyFan said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:36am | ! Report

              Lol no they didn’t Richie McCaw states in his biography they always knew Cooper was a weak link so did Henry. But sure make up your own facts.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:58am
          Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:58am | ! Report

          What reason do you have to say he’s ever been disruptive at the Reds?

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:32am
            Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:32am | ! Report

            TWAS I see your mates at the RA have told DUCO Events that the Force can’t field a competitive side at the Brisbane 10s.

            They should be more focussed about the lies they told the Committee about the board meeting on August 18 2016 (the minutes are now up on the Inquiry website), the ASIC investigation and leaked emails.

            • Roar Guru

              December 3rd 2017 @ 1:05pm
              Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

              Two questions.

              Firstly what has this got to do with Cooper and the Reds? Or are you just derailing yet another article?

              Secondly, where does it state anywhere that the ARU had anything to do with this?

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:52pm
                Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

                TWAS did you not see the loan facility on the RA financials on the Senate Inquiry website?

                Your mates in the RA will be bailing them out soon if they haven’t already sent an advancement. That will be another lie to add to the RA list

              • Roar Guru

                December 3rd 2017 @ 4:57pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

                Now you’re calling them liars for things they haven’t even done!

                HAHA! Keep grinding your axe.

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 5:38pm
                Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 5:38pm | ! Report

                Your mate Bill said there will be no more bail outs.

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 6:16pm
                Dave_S said | December 3rd 2017 @ 6:16pm | ! Report

                Bakkies, you’re like a Grateful Dead merch seller at a Radiohead gig.

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:34pm
              Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:12pm
                Fionn said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

                Interesting read, Bakkies, cheers…

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:54pm
                Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                Not surprising that the cartel have declined to comment

              • Roar Guru

                December 3rd 2017 @ 6:38pm
                PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 6:38pm | ! Report

                Clearly it was never a level playing field.

                The ARU decided early force were to go, without a fair assessment, then aided rebels to transfer their license to make sure Force were the only legal choice.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 7:54pm
                Jock Cornet said | December 4th 2017 @ 7:54pm | ! Report

                Just get rid if the Rebels and australian rugby will see the vast improvements. The rebels were meant to grow the sport in Victoria and produce own players not just relocate all the players from qld and the Shute shield for way over costs.

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:18pm
                Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:18pm | ! Report

                Peter exactly after giving the Rebels over several million worth of loans that three parts of fa were paid back.

                The NSWRU who have key votes need to grow a pair and throw these parasites out.

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:52pm
              Milan said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:52pm | ! Report

              Your on the wrong thread Bakkies. Stick to the subject in hand or take your miserable views elsewhere

              • December 3rd 2017 @ 9:25pm
                Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

                Take your own advice the League tab is over the road

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:40am
          Redsback said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

          Between Hong Kong in 2010 and the Tri Nations finale in 2011, Cooper-shaped teams beat Thorn’s teams 4 times in a row. That included a Super Rugby title and a Tri Nations. To suggest that they would have underestimated him is ridiculous.

          When the Reds let Simmons go and couldn’t put the money down for Genia, you have to wonder why they are prepared to pay a very good player hundreds of thousands of dollars and not play him. It’s an extremely odd decision.

          All of that being said, I derided Queensland Rugby when we lost Barrick Barnes and two years later we won Super Rugby. Here’s hoping Thorn can match that.

          If they can sell Cooper, I would love for them to put every single dollar into getting Liam Gill back. Cooper is a very proud man and he won’t stick around just to be paid his contract. He will surely be able to earn more money in Japan and I hope he does. For everything he has done for the game, he deserves to finish a very wealthy man and I hope he makes the right decisions from now until the end of his career to ensure that happens.

          I can see him coaching down the track and I would love to see him back at Ballymore one day in that role.

          This is not a fitting end to a wonderful player.

          • December 4th 2017 @ 10:23am
            Jacko said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

            And how many times did sides with THORN in them beat sides with Cooper in it? Silly stat

            • Roar Guru

              December 4th 2017 @ 12:28pm
              Hoy said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

              Not that silly… Cooper right now would have the best winning % againt the All Blacks in Australia. Moore has retired, TPN moved overseas. Noone else left who has beaten them more than once is there?

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 12:32pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                Foley actually has.

                Interestingly neither time he played too well.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 2:03pm
                John R said | December 4th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

                There’s heaps of current players that have beaten the All Blacks more than once.

                Unless you are referring to Fly Halves.

                But Kurtley for example, has been in teams that have won on 4 occassions.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 2:39pm
                Hoy said | December 4th 2017 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

                Yeah, forgot Beale… Who else? Not heaps. Not by a long shot.

                Who else in the Aus squad, or even outside it in Australia, still playing? Higgers maybe? TWAS says Foley has beaten them more than once.

                Has Folau? Maybe. Hooper.

              • Roar Rookie

                December 4th 2017 @ 2:51pm
                Paul D said | December 4th 2017 @ 2:51pm | ! Report

                Foley, Folau, Phipps, Hooper, TK, Kepu, Sio, Genia, Rob Simmons, Ben MaCalmen, Pocock,

                Quite a few actually. Some from 2011, some from 2015.

              • Roar Rookie

                December 4th 2017 @ 3:01pm
                Paul D said | December 4th 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

                As far as a comparison of records between Foley and Cooper. Both have played 12 times against NZ. Both have 2 wins. Foley has 1 draw. Foleys win percentage is therefore better.

              • Roar Guru

                December 5th 2017 @ 2:46pm
                Hoy said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

                Foley’s win percentage is exactly the same then. I actually thought Cooper might have won more than just the two, but there you go…

              • Roar Guru

                December 5th 2017 @ 2:57pm
                Fionn said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:57pm | ! Report

                Pretty key difference is that Quade played well both in Hong Kong and in the 2011 Tri-Nations, being pretty key to both victories. Foley played pretty poorly in both wins over the All Blacks and yet we still won.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 3:14pm
                Jerry said | December 5th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

                He played well in HK, I wouldn’t say he was a key part of the win in 2011.

              • Roar Guru

                December 5th 2017 @ 3:39pm
                Fionn said | December 5th 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

                Fair, Jerry. That said, he was definitely pretty key in 2010, and wasn’t bad in the other. Two of Foley’s poorer tests against the All Blacks have, funnily enough, resulted in wins by the Wallabies.

              • Roar Rookie

                December 5th 2017 @ 3:53pm
                Paul D said | December 5th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

                How each played in any given test is irrelevant to what I am saying. Plenty of players have awesome, even superhuman games in losing sides. I a merely correcting the record in relation to Hoy’s claim. He may not consider a draw as factoring in to win percentages, and that’s fine if he wants to read it that way. But it’s being a bit pedantic. Point is there is nothing rare of exceptional about Coopers record against the All Blacks in relation to a decent percentage of current players.

                Still, the suggestion that Cooper doesn’t have the most amaze balls record will always bring out the nit pickers.

              • Roar Guru

                December 5th 2017 @ 4:57pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 5th 2017 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

                It’s pedantic not to consider draws in win percentages?

                I think the word “win” kind of gives away what’s being assessed…

            • December 5th 2017 @ 11:53am
              JP said | December 5th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

              Reds will get 8k a game this year.Well done to the New Zealander Brad Thorn ,7 years is a long time to hold a grudge brew.

              Personally i hope you have a shocker season and lose all of your games and are sacked after a year.I will not support a rookie Kiwi coach who still carries a massive chip on their shoulder.

              • Roar Rookie

                December 5th 2017 @ 12:03pm
                piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

                haha, yes you will.

                A few wins in and you’ll all forget

            • December 5th 2017 @ 12:00pm
              Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

              Paul D Foley lover is back again,

              I feel like Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor, in saying

              ” I fear all I have done is to awaken a sleeping giant (With Cow Horns) and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

              Hey Paul ,Foley had no try assists in both of those AB games ,It was the players around him who won it, although he still did hIs best to lose it for Oz 4 weeks ago.

        • December 5th 2017 @ 11:23am
          Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

          Hahahahaha! You imagine everyday …

          But will admit, your extra thumbs and claws are working well with your impaired cognitive ability…Do you still scratch your nose with a wire brush and dance around the bedroom like Steady Eddie??

          • December 5th 2017 @ 12:14pm
            Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

            ^ I`m addresing that parrott papagaai if the un zudders are confused..

          • December 5th 2017 @ 2:31pm
            Dave said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

            Lay off the glue sniffing

            • December 6th 2017 @ 11:45am
              Marto said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:45am | ! Report

              ^ there there rainy face, no ones pickin on you anymore, suck it up and you`ll be fine…..

    • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:38am
      Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:38am | ! Report

      Ludicrous by Thorn simply because we are yet to see that anybody else in the Reds set up is better at flyhalf yet.

      What if Stewart and Paia’aua are tried at 10 and simply aren’t up to Super Rugby standard yet?

      We then go back to Quade – who has basically been left out of training for the whole time?

      This comes across as Thorn trying weakly trying to make his decision right, because if he has to go back to Quade, he will be out of the loop and won’t perform as well as he could.

      Never mind the fact that he’s contracted for 2018 and 2019 and taking up a good chunk of our salary cap already.

      If this is Thorn saying that he can’t even work with a player of Quade’s natural talent (but flaws, like most players) to try and get him where he wants a 10 then I already can see Thorn won’t be a decent coach.

      It’s not like Quade is a lazy professional, or a selfish player. Seeing him miced up you see how he organises the team. If he had these character flaws you could see him as somebody you couldn’t work with.

      But he seemingly doesn’t mind doing the extras and attempts to run the backline like a senior player.

      There’s making hard calls. And then there’s making stupid calls.

      This is a stupid call because he’s basically banished our only Super Rugby quality 10 without even seeing if the other options are capable at that level.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:23am
        Selector said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

        Spot on TWAS. As well as force Pai’aiua into a position he has said he doesn’t want to play.

        I am hoping that it is Quade that wants out after Chek left him out and Thorn is doing the right thing by Quade and not lumping it on him. But this is probably wishful thinking.

        • Roar Guru

          December 3rd 2017 @ 10:40am
          PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

          If it was QC wanting out then QC would have arranged another contract, Thorn releases him and that would be announced.

          Not it is a poor call by an insecure new coach.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:59am
        Tylorman said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

        Well it seems both Cheika and Thorn ckearly disagree with you and thats really all that matters as far as Quades concerned, rightly, or wrongly.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:46am
          Redsback said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

          I stand to be corrected, but there is no way that Stewart is up to it yet. Bear in mind that Brisbane City won two NRCs with McIntyre at 10. Living overseas I got to see him for the first time live last year and he was below my very low expectations.

          I think that Stewart has much more game than McIntyre, but he is not a match winner yet. I’m not sure if this is a positive or not, but the end result of this is that it seems to me the 4 Australian teams are going to be playing very similarly this year. No team is going to have a dominant 10 and it’s a worry.

          No Moore, no Cooper in 2018. We might as well cut Smith and make 2018 a full rebuild. Waiting to see what happens to Higgenbotham…

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:22am
        ethan said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

        Agree mate, it seems really hard to fathom. Time will tell.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:38am
        Stu said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

        Agreed TWAS. So therefore by logical extension, with multiple coaches having dropped the immensely talented Quade like a heavy school case, there must be something else going on behind the scenes that we armchair experts don’t have a clue about, yes? So it must be possible then, that QC isn’t the rugby dreamboat we all presume he is on tv? I always thought James O’Connor was immense too.. :-/

        • Roar Guru

          December 3rd 2017 @ 1:22pm
          Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Not being selected in the national team is hardly the same as being said he’s not wanted at Super Rugby level.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:24pm
            double agent said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:24pm | ! Report

            There’s very few top level 10s in the country so to cast one of them aside is bizzarre.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 2:15pm
          Daveski said | December 3rd 2017 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

          This is the bloke who people want to lynch Cheika for not picking. Now the Reds don’t want him either.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:05pm
        Jacko said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

        TWAS….Deans dropped him…McKenzie used him a bit…Cheika wont use him and now Thorn has moved him sideways…I guess they ALL wont be successful coaches eh? I think he’s lost the faith of all in Aus and maybe we are seeing the new cooperation between the SR teams and the National coach

        • Roar Guru

          December 3rd 2017 @ 3:11pm
          Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

          How is that anything similar.

          A national coach notionally has 4 starting options to choose from.

          Thorn has inexperienced alternatives available.

          Just a note, Deans had very little success after opting against Cooper, and Cheika hasn’t had a season with higher than a 50% win rate since 2015.

          But even if both are right – that doesn’t mean he isn’t the best option available to Queensland…

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:16pm
          Fionn said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

          Jacko, Deans didn’t drop him exactly. At different points he was Deans’ first choice fly-half. At other points not.

          McKenzie used him as first choice fly-half after the RC where he trialled Toomua first. Became clear Toomua was more a 12 than a 10.

          In reality it is only Cheika and Thorn that have dropped him.

          This sort of behaviour does seem to reflect the old new management asserting his authority thing. I cannot understand the logic in this. If Thorn doesn’t think he is the best fly-half for the team then surely he should have him playing and training in order to find out? I feel like Thorn will have just alienated a lot of Reds fans and from what I’ve heard Quade is quite popular with his teammates at the Reds. Just don’t understand the decision.

          10. Quade, 11. Peni, 12. Lealiifano, 13. Kuridrani, 14. Speight, 15. Banks would have been a great backline if he had joined the Brumbies…

          • Roar Guru

            December 3rd 2017 @ 3:43pm
            Fox Saker said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

            That’s not entirely true Fionn, it was Deans dropping of him at fly half that caused all the Cooper toxic environment raving.

            Cooper fell apart a different and various times against the AB’s and if you cannot cope mentally with playing the worlds best side – I am sorry but bye bye

            The bottom line is that coaches get fed up with his error ridden game and indifferent defence- He got found out at 2011 WC and has never recovered – he even lost his fly half position in France

            In the end everyone cannot be wrong – Cooper had flair without composure and made poor decisions too often – period. His goal kicking and tactical kicking has never been of international standard consistently. Foley is in similar boat there but has more composure in attack and defence and makes less errors.

            Also Cooper clearly is a player that one way or another causes grief. Thorn would have no respect for Coopers very public “toxic environment” comments clearly aimed at Deans, his coach. That is not easily forgotten by a former NZ All Black where that crap of clearly attacking the coach publicly would never be tolerated by the All Blacks or the NZRU

            Bottom line is Cooper made his own bed on a number of fronts and now he is paying the price just as he did a the 2015 WC where, after another ordinary game against the AB’s at Eden park in the last RC game, he never featured in a major game at the WC and was only on the bench against Scotland due to injury – and still Cheilka didn’t use him.

            The writing has been on the wall for a long time with Cooper.

            • Roar Guru

              December 3rd 2017 @ 3:52pm
              Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

              By fell apart against the AB’s, do you mean, didn’t play well?

              So like most Wallabies…?

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:00am
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:00am | ! Report

                No TWAS it was the manner of his capitulation and the regularity of that manner and in the play makers position. He visibly crumbled physiologically under the pressure of playing the All Blacks. The AB’s new his weak temperament as well. Go read Graham Henry’ s book. They new that Cooper could be got at pretty easily. Funny but he did didn’t mention the rest of the side in the same way.

                Cooper’s fragile temperament has been exposed on and off the field and if you can’t see that then we will have to agree to disagree.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:04am
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:04am | ! Report

                Visibly crumpled physiologically?

                Now you’re just being ridiculous.

                He has had good games against the All Blacks and he has bad games against them.

                Much like most Wallabies during Cooper’s career.

                He has struggled at 10 behind a beaten pack many a time. Which 10s haven’t?

              • December 4th 2017 @ 10:09am
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:09am | ! Report

                Sorry, Fox, but your narrative just isn’t supported by the facts, and that is all there is to it.

                Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

                He had started in multiple wins and multiple close matches against the All Blacks. Sure, he crumbled at the 2011 RWC (when the entire team played poorly) but that was 6 years ago. Since then has has played very well against them in Dunedin in 2013 when was last the incumbent fly-half (go check the youtube video of his performance).

                What you’re describing just isn’t true. And not to point out the elephant in the room, but you’re a Foley defender: check out his performances in all three Bledisloe Tests this year, and Bled 1 and 2 last year. Capitulating against the All Blacks isn’t unique to Quade.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:17am
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

                Fionn I am not a Foley defender – he doesn’t have the class of some other fly halves around the world but I do think he is the best Australia has at this point – but that could change next season of some other players come on.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:20am
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:20am | ! Report

                No I am not being ridiculous at all – you could see when Cooper looked visibly rattled against the AB’s. He has had the odd okay and one very good game (IMO) against them but too often he was got at by the AB’s and as I say Henry admits they new they could.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:20am
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:20am | ! Report

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:00am
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

                Fox, let’s look back to 2010 should we

                – 2010 he played very well in a win over the All Blacks in Hong Kong
                – 2011 he played very well in a win over the All Blacks in the Tri-Nations
                – 2011 he played very poorly in a loss against the All Blacks in the RWC
                – 2012 did he ever start at 10 against them?
                – 2013 he played extremely well in a loss against the All Blacks in the RC in Dunedin
                – 2015 he played poorly at Eden Park against the All Blacks in the Bledisloe decider after half the team was changed from the previous week
                – 2016 he came in and steadied the ship confidently and maturely in a time of crisis in Bledisloe 2 when Foley was in disastrous form (Nick Bishop’s interpretation too)

                He plays poorly against them sometimes, but well against them fairly often too. Arguably far more often than his competitors for the Aussie 10 jersey.

                We’re not talking about his Wallaby credentials though, but Super Rugby.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 11:04am
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:04am | ! Report

                Fionn,

                He played pretty average in 2012 when he was rushed back from injury after missing Super Rugby.

                I dispute he played poorly in 2015 though. He may not have played great but getting a yellow card attempting a try saving tackle doesn’t change the fact that at worse, he performed adequately at 10 for the rest of the game he played.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:07am
                Tylorman said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

                Based on that Fionn, yes, probably deserves a Super contract, as even as understudy to Foley or the preferred Queensland 10 he deserves a squad spot.

                So all that leads to a conclusion of neither Cheika nor Thorn as coaches wanting anything to do with him for other reasons, regardless of his form.

                That will be where the answer lies.

                Its the man, not the player.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:18am
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

                Taylorman, so did Scott Fardy, Scott Higginbothamand a number of other very popular players with their teammates rumoured to have had falling outs with Cheika

                Perhaps, then, Cheika might be the one who it is difficult to get on with?

                The fact that he is popular with his teammates—unlike certain other Aussie players and former players should tell you something.

                The fact that only last Wednesday Thorn was saying that Stewart and Quade would be competing for the 10 jersey shows the (lack of) thought process here.

                Perhaps Quade might not be Thorn’s first choice 10 depending on how he wants to play, but to cast him out before training makes no sense. People were suggesting that Thorn might bear ill will due to the McCaw incident back in 2011. I assumed that was impossible but perhaps it is true.

                As it were, I’d be happy for him to play for the Brumbies, Rebels or even the Waratahs (doing the last wouldn’t hurt his chances at a Wallabies return, eh, look at Simmons’ fortunes since signing with the Tahs).

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:26am
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                Taylorman, I do think you’re right though, and that Quade works best in a certain type of team with a certain type of coach. He seems to play his best in teams where the coach gives him free reign to play what’s in front of him (as Deans put it), which is why he played his best rugby under Mooney, Link and Deans (in Deans’ earlier, more optimistic phase from 2008-11 Tri-Nations, before he lost his nerve and made the team play the dour, defensive footy. Wayne Smith’s very good article in the Australian today discusses this.

                Allan Jones said in the Barbarians press conference following the loss words to the effect of ‘he’d be in my Wallabies team, but I would give him free reign to be creative, not to slavishly follow the game plan’.

                Cheika is very much on the slavishly follow the game plan end of the spectrum. What I know of Thorn he would prefer reliable work horses to enigmatic players like Cooper. That said, he has no other player who has proven that they can play 10 at SR level, and he is by far the most experienced backline player in the team, and one of the leaders. Perhaps he isn’t starting 10 and perhaps Thorn would rather cut him and open up the spot. But doing it in this way with no obvious plan B is fairly baffling.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:40am
                Tylorman said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

                Well somethings obviously happened between last Wednesday to have this sort of turnaround. Hes in, then out a week later.

                Must be a reason for that. Maybe its a simple matter of how they do The Idol comps…cards on the table and one they thought was in just didnt make the final cut.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:43am
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:43am | ! Report

                Maybe, Taylorman. And Brad Thorn will live and die by this. If Thorn does well people will support the deecision. But I suspect that this will have a negative impact on the Reds’ crowds, and if the team plays poorly and the fly-half does poorly (hope it doesn’t dent Stewart’s or Paia’aua’s confidence) then Thorn will justifiably face the music for the decision.

                Unlike Cheika I suspect Thorn will actually face the consequences of poor decisions if his team performs poorly.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 12:31pm
                Hoy said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

                Oddly Fionn, Cooper actually followed Links game plans really quite well. He didn’t play as off the cuff as some think. Sure he created things from nothing, but overeall, in 2011, he followed different game plans to a tee.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 12:36pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

                Remember the Stormers game where we kicked and defended them into submission?

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 3:53pm
              Fionn said | December 3rd 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

              That’s one interpretation of the facts. But there is nothing but the circumstances of the timing to suggest you’re correct. Deans didn’t imply that that was what Cooper meant at all in Red, Black and Gold.

              Weird logic re. falling apart vs New Zealand in my opinion. How many Australian fly-halfs have not fallen apart when playing against the All Blacks? Cooper is one of the few to have started (and played well in, unlike Foley) multiple wins over the All Blacks. He was world class when he was last the incumbent—2013 Dunedin Test and 2013 Spring Tour. I’m sorry, but your narrative about him never recovering from 2011 is plain wrong.

              Your third paragraph is just fake news. Foley’s goal-kicking is better, granted, but Foley’s tactical kicking is far worse. Foley also definitely offers less in attack. In defence Foley completes fewer tackles, but he does commit fewer head high tackles.

              One poor game against the All Blacks—how many poor games has Foley had against the All Blacks this year alone? The Reds definitely do not have the quality of players to discard their main attacking threat and one of the senior players in the team.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 12:29am
                Redsback said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:29am | ! Report

                Foley’s goal kicking is not better. His stats are highly skewed by the fact that he cannot kick more than 40m. Inside those 40m he might be slightly better than Cooper, but the fact that his range ends there and I have never so much as seen him attempt a kick longer than 45m,brings down his quality considerably. He gets lauded for hitting them from 30m out straight in front…

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:13am
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

                One poor game against te AB’s – you cannot be serious Fionn. he had a very ordinary game 2011 world cup semi against the AB’s- don’t believe me? go back and watch it on youtube and that is not the only one.

                Also I never said Foley offers more in attack Fionn – I said he has more composure over all. Like he doesn’t throw balls to no one or out and I have lost count how many times Cooper has done that.

                Let’s just say his international career is probably over and if Brad Thorn has dropped him and Cheika doesn’t want him despite what he says. Then where to now.?

                IMO Cooper may have reached his potential if he had stayed in NZ where I think he would have matured better as a player but that’s IMO. I think he was allowed to get away with too much for too long in Australia both on and off the field.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:18am
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

                Foley does throw balls to nobody.

                He throws intercepts too.

                He kicks out on the full at kicks offs.

                He misses penalty kicks for touch.

                All the same stuff that Cooper supposedly does.

                Regale us to an example of when Cooper has thrown a pass to nobody. Just one.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:16am
                rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                There is a youtube video that contains quite a few. I wont post the link due to the ridiculous Benny Hill music used in a pathetic attempt to humiliate him.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 11:22am
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

                Yep. A video published a decade ago when a player was 18 years old is a good way to evaluate their performance across the next decade…

                That just shows the point that the views on Cooper are outdated…

              • December 4th 2017 @ 10:57am
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

                Totally agree on the 2011 WC semi, Fox. But that was 6 years ago when he was far more immature.

                If it were possible I would have him at the Brumbies. Failing that, the Rebels or even the Waratahs. Even if his international career is over I enjoy watching him, and I would definitely start him at 10 for the Brumbies, with Lealiifano at 12.

                The only one I can think of TWAS, was against the British and Irish Lions in 2013. The fact that that was 4 years ago, in the first minute of a performance that was one of the best by an Aussie fly-half this decade should tell us something.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 11:06am
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

                Indeed. Against the BIL in 2013.

                But it wasn’t even a pass to nobody. It was a pass to Ben Lucas who when running to receive the ball after calling it, slipped on the turf – meaning Quade passed to Ben who never arrived.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:53am
                rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

                Must be a different video as the one I saw was not a decade ago and I stated it is not worth promoting due to the intention of the video to denigrate.
                However this was the question:
                “Regale us to an example of when Cooper has thrown a pass to nobody. Just one.”
                If you don’t want an answer, don’t ask.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 12:39pm
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

                Sorry TWAS but that video was published in 2013 – that is not 10 years ago and not when he was 18 so I son;t know where you pulled that from

                And it vividly shows Cooper’s flaws and passing to no one

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbbyjSgJ5w

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 12:52pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

                It also vividly shows Ben Lucas (15) running onto the pass and losing his footing…

                I’d given them too much credit and assumed it was related to his woeful debut year. It’s a video full of everyday errors such as getting tackled into touch as “fails”. Most of it from 2011 or earlier…

              • December 4th 2017 @ 12:51pm
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

                Sorry, Fox, but your argument makes no sense. Someone could make a blooper reel out of Dan Carter, Larkham, Wilkinson and Barrett if they wanted to.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 3:49pm
                rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

                Fionn, you realise it was posted in response to someone asking for just one example of a QC pass to no one, as in it never happens. I’m sure most players could have a reel similar to that, but then again, not many paople are claiming that their mistakes don’t happen.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 3:58pm
                Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                And you realise that it wasn’t a pass to no one, but a pass to a player that slipped over?

              • December 4th 2017 @ 4:03pm
                rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

                Just for balance Fionn, he are some of QCs better bits, even though no one has asked to regale an example.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr8jLAKltQ0

              • December 4th 2017 @ 5:39pm
                rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

                Wrong video Bob. please keep up.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 9:57pm
                eagleJack said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:57pm | ! Report

                Hilarious. In a thread about Cooper getting kicked out of the Reds, people still want to tell us how much more he offers over Foley.

                I guess his aura will only grow from here. Seeing as we wont ever see him play again. That’s how it works now anyway. Only the flashes of brilliance are recalled.

                I wish him all the best on his overseas adventure.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 7:16am
                riddler said | December 5th 2017 @ 7:16am | ! Report

                ej.. spot on again matey..

                the rose coloured glasses for cooper and the rear end exit glasses for foley are in overdrive..

                as you said, i wish the guy goes well wherever he ends up..

              • Roar Guru

                December 5th 2017 @ 8:21am
                Train Without A Station said | December 5th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

                Yep.

                Spot on if you ignore the fact that the comments are merely replying to peanuts using Cheika’s omission of him as justification for this. i.e. after others bring it up.

                How is it rose coloured glasses to say the Reds do not have a better 10. They cannot afford to give up 10% of their salary cap to pay a player not to pay, and that with 5 players on their 2017 roster over 25, they could probably use a 100 game flyhalf?

                I’m betting you’ve always had an axe to grind against Cooper and couldn’t even stand the team doing well with him in it.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 11:34am
                rebel said | December 5th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                Yes Rebellion’s comments were out of line. Bit harsh calling him a peanut though.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 8:58pm
                riddler said | December 5th 2017 @ 8:58pm | ! Report

                twas.. i am not a fan of the guy.. that is a very well known fact.. but that is my personal opinion..

                as for not wishing qld well.. you have no idea of my background with qld.. so i think you change tact on that one..

                but anyway..

                the guy moves on.. i wish him well and i wish thorn and the reds well..

                i think we will do well this year.. and looking at thorn’s ethos then i think we could be in good stead..

                there are a fair number of people, who sadly call themselves qlders, that have stated here on this thread wishing qld no good next season and will not buy their seats..

                i have supported the maroons/reds, since i could first pick up a ballymore ball.. and have supported the wallabies more so.. and that will not change till my last breath is drawn..

                i was once privy to inner dealings at ballymore.. many moons ago.. maybe you are now..

                in my humble, old, out of date opinion, i think there is a bit more to this story behind the scenes than certain people would like to see/admit..

                there is a lot of money at stake and two years on a contract.. so even blind freddy can understand that there is definitely an issue with cooper..

                people talk about how he gets on with all his coaches except cheika, everything is cheika’s fault..

                it is actually the opposite, mckenzie and mooney were the only ones he really clicked with i would say..

                anyways.. this thread is now very full.. yourself i think must be close to triple figures on this thread.. i note your ability to find the time/enthusiasm/look at me ability that you seem to have for such things..

                good luck to you..

              • December 5th 2017 @ 12:26pm
                Marto said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

                What about Foleys 5 very poor games in a row against the new juggernaut ENGLAND ?

                Re: Foleys Horrendous games in Gold over 3 years, Cheika does the old, Sargent Schultz famous line…

                ” I SEE NUZZINK ” !!!

              • December 6th 2017 @ 6:36am
                Jerry said | December 6th 2017 @ 6:36am | ! Report

                TWAS – I don’t think you’re correct on your analysis – the slip is well after the pass has been thrown and is in reaction to him trying to change direction to chase the misdirected pass.

              • December 6th 2017 @ 6:37am
                Jerry said | December 6th 2017 @ 6:37am | ! Report

                Also, geeeeez that quick thrown in is a mile forward.

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:07pm
              Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

              You could also say that Quade was thrown under the bus as others didn’t have the guts to speak up publicly. Phil Kearns questioned whether this was coming just from Quade.

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:27am
                Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

                That would only be true Bakkies if thaose other players – if the did think the same way – told Cooper to go public – If they didn’t, but Cooper thought they would come out after he came out – then he threw himself under the bus as assumption is the mother of all F ups

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:05pm
              cuw said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:05pm | ! Report

              i think people who talk about DEANS , MCKENZIE , CHEIKA need to remember one important point:

              that THORN is not a proven coach like any of the above names. he is still a great player who achieved a lot in two styles of rugger – but has done nothing to make heads turn.

              what i dont get is , why now after naming the squad and then cutting off guys? do u not plan on the squad while looking at the domestic and test matches ??

              at least that seems to be the way teams in NZ and SA do. of course injuries can happen and screw up plans – but dropping a guy in the squad ???

              no wonder auzzy rugger is a mess and does little to inspire anyone…. DUH

            • Roar Guru

              December 4th 2017 @ 10:16am
              Fox Saker said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:16am | ! Report

              Fionn I am not a Foley defender – he doesn’t have the class of some other fly halves around the world but I do think he is the best Australia has at this point – but that could change next season of some other players come on.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 9:12pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:12pm | ! Report

                “I am not a Foley defender” AND “…he is the best Australia has at this point…”

                See that there – that would be your defending Foley in the same paragraph where you tell us that you’re not a Foley defender.

                When you can keep your story straight over more than 2 sentences then come on back,

              • December 4th 2017 @ 9:36pm
                Drongo said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:36pm | ! Report

                The biggest hater in the roar showing his true colours. Hilarious.

              • December 4th 2017 @ 10:00pm
                Tylorman said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:00pm | ! Report

                Thought that was a sensible comment actually, one that Cheika currently applies. You can defend his position in the side, but not necessarily as a great 10.

                How is that hatin!ng drongo? Even remotely? Are you saying Cheikas a hat!er as well for not picking Cooper?

              • Roar Guru

                December 4th 2017 @ 10:40pm
                Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:40pm | ! Report

                It’d be nice if he came to the Brumbies now, he and Lealiifano have combined very well in the past, but I don’t see it happening unfortunately.

              • December 5th 2017 @ 7:49am
                Rebellion said | December 5th 2017 @ 7:49am | ! Report

                Taylorman,
                Chieka is the ‘ultimate hater’ !!! Hates Cooper, hates Higginbotham, hates anyone who isn’t Nic Phipps, hates anyone who is a better No.7 than Michael Hooper, hates anyone who is a better flyhalf than Foley and can’t stand the idea of Hanigan and Robertson not in the match day 23.
                Let’s face it, Dean Mumm had to retire to get. Hikes to stop picking him

              • Roar Guru

                December 6th 2017 @ 11:26am
                Fox Saker said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                That is narrow analysis Ruckin oaf – For a start, I said he does not have the class of some ( not all of course) other fly halves around the world meaning I do not defend him as one of the world’s best fly halves – nor do I defend or have defended the flaws he has in his game. That still doesn’t mean he currently isn’t the best fly half Australia has.

                It is not a contradiction in terms at all rucking oaf

              • December 6th 2017 @ 7:46pm
                Drongo said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:46pm | ! Report

                Taylorman, I am referring to fox hater. And he knows it.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:49pm
          Jacky said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:49pm | ! Report

          Wrong with McKenzie in fact he said he was captain material Alan Jones a good judge of men said the same and Cheika’s selections speak for themselves so don’t let your hate get in the way of facts

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:39pm
            Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:39pm | ! Report

            Didn’t Deans name him vice captain at one point or was that Link?

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:25pm
          double agent said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:25pm | ! Report

          He’s done alright for a player that nobody wants Jacko. 70 caps.

          • December 4th 2017 @ 10:36am
            Jacko said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:36am | ! Report

            Haha they wanted him in 2011….that was 6 years ago. You seem to think I am saying he was a useless player forever….I am saying he is no longer the best option as a player and he clearly has this ability to annoy his coaches.
            The thing is he has divided people his whole career and that was when he was at his best so now that he is no longer at his best his dropping is dividing people again

            • December 6th 2017 @ 12:49pm
              Marto said | December 6th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

              Jacko prefers that park footballer Foley at 10 as he is reliable and safe. hahahahahaha

        • December 5th 2017 @ 12:08pm
          JP said | December 5th 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

          ^ Deans and Mackenzie ( 1 year then undermined by TAHS faction) weren’t successful coaches in OZ at national level and Chieka is the worst coach we`ve ever had- What is your point ?.Deans team was better when Quade played in it. 2013 Lions series was horrendous.
          ( NO QUADE)

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:54pm
        GIGS20 said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:54pm | ! Report

        “This comes across as Thorn trying weakly trying to make his decision right, because if he has to go back to Quade, he will be out of the loop and won’t perform as well as he could.”

        I’m not convinced that is the case. It would be easier to nobble him if he was in your training squad. Keep him on the tackle bags, prepare him for a different role than you’re likely to be playing him in if you are forced to use him, or just train him with so many different roles that he can’t figure out what he needs to do at any given moment (perhaps the Reds need Nathan Grey to handle that part)

        “Never mind the fact that he’s contracted for 2018 and 2019 and taking up a good chunk of our salary cap already.”

        Don’t panic, there’s plenty of room for him at the Rebels, and there’s no such thing as a salary cap, now that the ARU have realised that the Force players are pretty much all getting a contract and they don’t want to banish players from the East Coast…that isn’t what that saga was about!

        “If this is Thorn saying that he can’t even work with a player of Quade’s natural talent (but flaws, like most players) to try and get him where he wants a 10 then I already can see Thorn won’t be a decent coach.”

        Not necessarily, If Cheika had made a decision to spectacularly dump a massively experienced 10 who had bucket loads of natural talent it would have been accepted as the player simply “not fitting in with the style he wanted to play” Why can’t Brad Thorn make the same decisions? I’d contend that Thorn might have picked up a thing or two about how to play the game while he was playing for the All Blacks…..you don’t need to have bunches of rugby smarts to be better than Cheika, based upon current evidence that is.

        “It’s not like Quade is a lazy professional, or a selfish player. Seeing him miced up you see how he organises the team. If he had these character flaws you could see him as somebody you couldn’t work with.”

        I wouldn’t say lazy, or selfish, but I can see how people would find it hard to sync with Quade, in fact that was IMHO one of the issues with his early career, he has a habit of slipping into some sort of automatic mode where the brain shuts down for a bit and he just goes full natural x-factor. Sure in recent times he’s managed it better, but I’d suggest that it also has a lot to do with people getting used to playing with him. THat takes time, but it’s unpredictable, it might just be that THorn wants to play a more controlled style.

        • Roar Guru

          December 4th 2017 @ 8:35am
          Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 8:35am | ! Report

          I’m not convinced that is the case. It would be easier to nobble him if he was in your training squad. Keep him on the tackle bags, prepare him for a different role than you’re likely to be playing him in if you are forced to use him, or just train him with so many different roles that he can’t figure out what he needs to do at any given moment (perhaps the Reds need Nathan Grey to handle that part)

          He is basically being excluded from the team. Not sure how you can make it much harder for him than that…

          Don’t panic, there’s plenty of room for him at the Rebels, and there’s no such thing as a salary cap, now that the ARU have realised that the Force players are pretty much all getting a contract and they don’t want to banish players from the East Coast…that isn’t what that saga was about!

          Not sure that changes the fact that the Reds are still financially obligated to pay him.

          Not necessarily, If Cheika had made a decision to spectacularly dump a massively experienced 10 who had bucket loads of natural talent it would have been accepted as the player simply “not fitting in with the style he wanted to play” Why can’t Brad Thorn make the same decisions? I’d contend that Thorn might have picked up a thing or two about how to play the game while he was playing for the All Blacks…..you don’t need to have bunches of rugby smarts to be better than Cheika, based upon current evidence that is.

          So Thorn is an expert on backline play because he was a decent hard working lock? Regardless not sure where Cheika has dumped a massively experienced player without even giving them a chance to show they can fit into his style. Even he gave Quade 9 test starts across 2 seasons.

          I wouldn’t say lazy, or selfish, but I can see how people would find it hard to sync with Quade, in fact that was IMHO one of the issues with his early career, he has a habit of slipping into some sort of automatic mode where the brain shuts down for a bit and he just goes full natural x-factor. Sure in recent times he’s managed it better, but I’d suggest that it also has a lot to do with people getting used to playing with him. THat takes time, but it’s unpredictable, it might just be that THorn wants to play a more controlled style.

          So he had a problem earlier in his career that’s less of a problem, so we should hold against him the problem as it was in the past?

          • December 4th 2017 @ 10:40am
            Jacko said | December 4th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

            He always has his back-up career of selling second hand laptops

          • Roar Rookie

            December 5th 2017 @ 1:40pm
            piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

            So Thorn is an expert on backline play because he was a decent hard working lock?

            That may be the faintest praise I’ve ever read

            • Roar Rookie

              December 5th 2017 @ 2:48pm
              piru said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

              Hmm I’d still rather not

      • December 4th 2017 @ 4:31pm
        mudjimba said | December 4th 2017 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

        Totally agree. I’ve always been a big Quade fan. I recognise he had a below par year but we’ll now never know what he could have done in 2018.

        • December 4th 2017 @ 5:28pm
          Jacko said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

          Mudjimba if he is so good you would think the other 3 Aus franchises would be clamouring to buy him for 2018…Are they??? Whats that tell you?

          • Roar Guru

            December 4th 2017 @ 5:40pm
            Fionn said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:40pm | ! Report

            That rosters are already mostly full and salary caps have been filled up…

            But I would love for the Brumbies to nab him, Jacko

            9. Powell, 10. Quade, 11. Peni, 12. Lealiifano, 13. Kuridrani, 14. Speight, 15. Banks is not a bad backline at all. I can live and dream (I mean, the Reds managed to nab probably the best Brumby of all time in Smith, maybe we can nab one of the best Reds to make it even).

          • December 4th 2017 @ 9:14pm
            Ruckin Oaf said | December 4th 2017 @ 9:14pm | ! Report

            Jacko if he was that much of a dud you’d think that the Reds would have cut him loose months ago.

            That the Reds waited until the other super franchises has there rosters locked down before they let Cooper go says volumes.

            • December 6th 2017 @ 11:25am
              Jacko said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

              Yes he was OS and Thorn waited to speak to him face to face…speaks volumes

      • December 5th 2017 @ 1:24pm
        Dan in Devon said | December 5th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

        Simply bewildering. Thorn seems like another Cheika. Impetuous decisions. But then again the media have not questioned Cheika’s decision making despite the Wallabies falling to new lows against NH rivals.

    • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:44am
      Selector said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:44am | ! Report

      What is it that that we are not seeing in all this.
      I recognise the weaknesses in parts of his game, but at Super level he is a massive asset. Particularly with crowds.
      Also did Thorn just say he was excited to watch the battle between Stewart and Cooper?
      When reading between the lines, I thought he was trying to show no-one owns thier position…. But maybe Thorn isn’t as straight forward as I thought.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:51am
        Train Without A Station said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:51am | ! Report

        Certainly doesn’t sound like he sees it as a battle if he’s brushed Quade from training with the side.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:52am
        Tylorman said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:52am | ! Report

        May hes got ‘the word’…

        I think Quades got to the point in his career that coaches are not willing to risk having to rely on Cooper having more on days than off. If Quade plays badly his sides will usually lose, because so much reliance is placed on his doing something special and consuming all that ball in the 80 minutes goes to waste.

        Plus, coaches know the next yellow, or red, is just around the corner with Quade, so they need a permanent back up plan which is in addition to the injury one.

        • Roar Rookie

          December 3rd 2017 @ 7:59am
          Paulo said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:59am | ! Report

          It is funny that Oz seem to piss away so much of their talent. Especially in areas where they are sorely lacking in depth. Imagine if Copper or JoC were in the mix for the #10 (I know JoC is more a 12, but I think he makes a much better 10 option than Hodge).

          • Roar Guru

            December 3rd 2017 @ 10:41am
            PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

            JoC would be a better 12 option than Beale.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 11:04am
            Tylorman said | December 3rd 2017 @ 11:04am | ! Report

            Well they need more tradesmen than stars, JOC and Quade tended to hog the limelight a bit. Doesnt get more tradesman like than Thorn.

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 12:51pm
              Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | December 3rd 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

              Is Thorn going to play 10?

              • December 4th 2017 @ 11:10am
                Tylorman said | December 4th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

                If he has too, yeah…

              • Roar Guru

                December 6th 2017 @ 11:29am
                Fox Saker said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:29am | ! Report

                Already in training 🙂

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:17pm
              Selector said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

              Can’t have 15 trademans and no architects…

            • December 5th 2017 @ 3:08pm
              JP said | December 5th 2017 @ 3:08pm | ! Report

              You need more than tradesman to win games.Reds have all tradesmen and some apprentices but no current stars in the inside backs ,unless Kerevi plays 10. Hunt is past it by the looks of it.Slower and more injury prone..Is New Zealand Supercoach Thorn going to hide Duncan and Stewart on the wing in defence? because those two blokes are turnstyles like Bernard Foley.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:04am
          soapit said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:04am | ! Report

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 8:29am
          Selector said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:29am | ! Report

          Yeah, good points. He is a high risk high reward player. But you have already paid for him for the season. Can’t hurt even if he was off the bench.

          What i would love to know is why did Thorn (or someone else who made this decision) make this call 3 days after thier big squad announcment. Not what this Reds team needs after the last couple of seasons. Everyone has been hoping for change and this just reeks of more of the same old politics at play up north.

          • Roar Guru

            December 3rd 2017 @ 8:40am
            PeterK said | December 3rd 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

            you want a high reward player on the bench as an impact player when chasing

          • Roar Rookie

            December 3rd 2017 @ 1:00pm
            Shane D said | December 3rd 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

            Cause the backs coach was only appointed this week.
            Can’t understand why the coaching group wasn’t sorted out earlier though.

        • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:09pm
          Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

          ‘If Quade plays badly his sides will usually lose’

          Same could be said for Genia and Foley.

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:59pm
            cuw said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

            LOL same could be said on ANY scrum+fly halves pair on this planet.

            same could be said of ANY NFL 1/4back.

            Same could be said of any central defender + goalee in football.

            some of the excuses are bordering on nucking futs 😀

          • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:32pm
            double agent said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:32pm | ! Report

            For Quade Genia and Foley it’s nearly always the pack that has played poorly and they suffer the consequences.

            • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:42pm
              Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:42pm | ! Report

              You can’t blame the pack for poor passes, kicking box kicks straight out in to the outstretched hands of the opposition’s tight forwards, not kicking the ball out on exits need I go on.

              It’s pretty consistent for Genia and Foley.

              • December 6th 2017 @ 12:25pm
                JP said | December 6th 2017 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

                ^ Foley throwing passes to the opposition and them scoring which he has done at least 5 times.England, AB`S, SA and Scotland twice.I’m sure their is more.

    • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:49am
      soapit said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:49am | ! Report

      be nice to get a bit more of brad thorns actual words

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 9:12am
        Dave_S said | December 3rd 2017 @ 9:12am | ! Report

        Yes, I’d imagine he would give an honest answer to the straight question of “why”.

        I’m guessing that Thorn plans to play a more conservative backline style. That’s the only explanation that would make sense.

        Maybe I’ve missed all of Stewart’s best games, but nothing I’ve seen excites me. He could be a solid and dependable Berrick Barnes type I guess.

        If Reds are going to play a conservative style, they’d better win a lot of early season games, otherwise I suspect a lot of casual supporters will drop off.

        • December 4th 2017 @ 5:30pm
          Jacko said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

          What!!! Win a lot more than the 4 they won this year???

          • December 5th 2017 @ 2:14pm
            JP said | December 5th 2017 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

            They wont win more then 4 this year.1 at best.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:07am
        Dave_S said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        The Sunday Mail has it branded as an “exclusive” with Jim Tucker, but only with the same quotes as in the piece above, and not attributed as “he told the SM” or similar.

        Looks like the Reds just dropped it as a press release to them just before the publication deadline as there is no indication that Tucker asked further (unanswered) questions. Tucker then just speculates about the meaning of it all

        Also nothing at all on the Reds website.

        Pretty poor, in my book. Quade deserves better.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 4:12pm
        Bakkies said | December 3rd 2017 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

        ‘I’m guessing that Thorn plans to play a more conservative backline style. That’s the only explanation that would make sense.’

        That’s like saying to the Reds fans that he plans on taking them back to the days of Knuckles where they played more conservative Rugby. The big difference is that Knuckles had a quality pack.

        • December 4th 2017 @ 4:15pm
          rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

          Bakkies, I don’t believe Thorn wants to play concervatively at all, not based on the NRC at least.
          QLD country’s biggest change was their defence, they plugged quite a few holes in the seive. Some plugs just aren’t big enough.
          They also scored some handy tries and Thorn has brought along a lot of the players responsible for that. I thought QC would have been part of things next year, but having not been a part of the Reds setup, I can’t comment on why the club has taken this direction. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt though before a ball has been kicked off in anger.
          There hasn’t been as big an outcry over a Qld 5/8 being moved on since Wayne let Wally go at the end of the 1990 season. 3 years later they had completed back to back premierships, the last team to accomplish this feat.

          • Roar Guru

            December 4th 2017 @ 4:24pm
            Train Without A Station said | December 4th 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

            The difference was Kevin Walters was 22, a State of Origin rep, had played 50 games of NSWRL and won a premiership.

            Hamish Stewart has never started a Super Rugby game, played 5 games off the bench and is 19 years old.

            • December 4th 2017 @ 5:41pm
              rebel said | December 4th 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

              I thought the difference was they were different codes. I bow to your superior knowledge, Bagdhad Uni do teach a few things.

    • December 3rd 2017 @ 7:50am
      Scot Free said | December 3rd 2017 @ 7:50am | ! Report

      I just can’t understand what’s happened with Cooper. I really enjoy watching him play so this is all pretty disappointing.

      • December 3rd 2017 @ 10:35pm
        double agent said | December 3rd 2017 @ 10:35pm | ! Report

        The man was an absolute freak in 2011. He’s never been the same since injury and a serious loss of confidence.

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