It’s time for John Aloisi to go

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    Australian football clubs are more forgiving of their coaches compared to the rest of the world.

    We see coaches get sacked after a month or two in countries like Italy and England. While these moves can sometimes be costly, they’re often imperative to shake up a squad or improve results.

    Italian clubs are notorious for their unforgiving nature. Palermo, for example, changed five coaches in Serie A before being relegated last season. Giants AC Milan have gone through seven in four seasons with the recently appointed Gennaro Gattuso already hanging by a thread.

    No matter what the reason, these numbers are ridiculous. But it all points to clubs, owners and fans demanding results.

    Coming back to Aussie shores, club owners seem scared to pull the trigger. Two seasons ago, Adelaide United’s patience with Guillermo Amor proved golden as the club took out the grand final, but rarely have such decisions borne fruit.

    Perth Glory coach Kenny Lowe springs to mind as one that has some extra credit with owner Tony Sage, although their results haven’t been all that horrific under his command.

    But one does stand out in the A-League.

    John Aloisi is a Socceroos icon. Yes, he scored the penalty that finally sent us to the 2006 World Cup in Germany. Yes, he scored at that same tournament. Yes, he scored some massive goals in the A-League. No, he isn’t a good coach.

    John Aloisi celebrates scoring his penalty against Uruguay

    (AAP Image/Dean Lewins)

    The statistics speak for themselves. His time at Melbourne Heart (now City) can’t be forgotten, where he managed just eight victories in 39 matches.

    He did okay in his first two years at the Roar, finishing third in both campaigns, albeit in seasons not as strong as this one. Yet his stats tell a different story, winning just 40 per cent of games in two-and-a-half seasons.

    This takes Aloisi’s overall A-League win record to just 33 per cent – a poor return by any country’s measure. Don’t forget, we aren’t talking about the Wellington Phoenix or the Central Coast Mariners, this is one of the biggest teams in the competition.

    The Roar currently sit second-bottom in the league, only ahead of the Phoenix who can jump them if they win their game in hand. Aloisi has blamed injury and ‘crisis’ at the club for poor results. Isn’t he the one who should be physically preparing the players and knowing how to manage ageing stars like Brett Holman, Thomas Kristensen and Jade North? That trio is the heart and soul of the Roar team.

    If the club won’t pull the trigger, maybe Aloisi should put his hand up. That doesn’t seem likely though, especially after his tenure at the Heart where he often claimed they were ‘unlucky’ rather than acknowledging their obvious failings.

    Craig Moore has already left, seeking ‘new opportunities’. It’s time for Aloisi to follow suit.

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    • January 18th 2018 @ 8:10am
      Kanga ugarchovic said | January 18th 2018 @ 8:10am | ! Report

      Maybe the owners are wary of paying out a coach with 2 years left on his contract. That’s a lot of dosh to cough up.

      The comparison to Ac Milan sacking coaches , well they can afford to if success doesn’t arrive quickly.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 10:21am
        chris said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:21am | ! Report

        Agree with your view on AC Milan comparison. In a salary capped environment the desire is to bring everyone back to a common denominator.
        Sacking coaches like they do in the cashed up/salary cap less leagues is totally different beast to our environment.
        You wonder how a Pep or Ancelotti would do in an homogeneous environment like we have in the A-League

        • January 18th 2018 @ 10:26am
          Nikola Pozder said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:26am | ! Report

          No i disagree. Yes financially it makes it easier when you have money to sack as you wish but this is specifically results driven. AC Milan was just an example, it happens everywhere in the world (except Australia), you don’t get results, you go.

    • January 18th 2018 @ 8:12am
      TK said | January 18th 2018 @ 8:12am | ! Report

      Don’t know that you’ll get too many arguments from roar fans. His time at Heart was also poor and while I didn’t follow it closely i do recall a striker called Misfud who couldnt hit the target despite goals being put on a plate for him. The roar is dysfunctional and JA is one of a number who should avcept responsibility for that.

    • January 18th 2018 @ 8:32am
      Buddy said | January 18th 2018 @ 8:32am | ! Report

      The financial implications of being relegated from the top level in many countries is a huge driving factor when it comes to decisions about who will be the manager. In the Uk they even have parachute payments made to clubs that fall from grace and have huge wage bills etc. I am quite sure that if we had a liwer division here in Australia and the consequences of being relegated, the tolerance levels from club boards would be much lower.
      The missing part of the equation is often who should have the job instead? That is when you see the bookmakers take over and start wheeling out the same old list of managers that have been sacked from numerous clubs for failing to reach targets and deliver kpis. Unless there is an obvious successor and everything is in place, it can be a case of “out of the fire”.

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        January 18th 2018 @ 8:42am
        Stevo said | January 18th 2018 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        The prospect of relegation sharpens the mind and quickens the heart. There would be plenty of coaches in the UK/Europe looking for work so not such a problem in getting rid of an underperforming coach. And besides you’ll probably get the usual bounce in team results with a new gaffer – maybe enough to avoid relegation.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 9:06am
        Nikola Pozder said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:06am | ! Report

        Your comment about relegation and the parachute system the FA have in place is spot on. But because we don’t have a relegation system (even though we should), does that mean poor coaching and results should be swept under the rug?

        This results in another negative financial aspect though, not as large as relegation, but dwindling crowd figures.

        Wouldn’t it be better giving a young coach who would be cheaper and keen to impress the opportunity? This is just a suggestion to your comment.

        Coaching changes usually ‘bring the bounce’ Stevo is talking about.

        Also, when teams aren’t getting the rub of the green, players usually come out in support of their manager/coach…i don’t think this is the case at the Roar.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 9:14am
          Kanga ugarchovic said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:14am | ! Report

          The cost of paying Aloisi out might be the reason he is still employed.

          • January 18th 2018 @ 9:56am
            Nikola Pozder said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:56am | ! Report

            Rumour has it, 3 year deal worth $500k. Thus why i think he hasn’t got the axe yet. No face to walk but then again, a lot of money to say good bye to…

            • January 18th 2018 @ 10:18am
              j,binnie said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:18am | ! Report

              Nikola – See calculation below on “gate ” figures, $500,000 is peanuts. jb.

              • January 18th 2018 @ 11:08am
                Nikola Pozder said | January 18th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

                $500k per year* Expensive bloody peanuts haha

              • January 18th 2018 @ 11:27am
                j,binnie said | January 18th 2018 @ 11:27am | ! Report

                Nikola – YOU said $500,000 over 3 years ,that is $166,600 per year, and ,according to some reports, JA has already served (and been paid) for one year of the aforesaid contract. So he is only “owed” $333,333 .
                That’s even much less “peanuts” than those “gate” losses which are “current “… jb

              • January 18th 2018 @ 11:39am
                Nikola Pozder said | January 18th 2018 @ 11:39am | ! Report

                I meant $500,000 per year for three years. Sorry.

              • January 18th 2018 @ 2:15pm
                Choco Muffin 911 said | January 18th 2018 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

                Surely there has to be performance criteria in the contract.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 7:08pm
          Buddy said | January 18th 2018 @ 7:08pm | ! Report

          Nikola,

          I didn’t cast an opinion as to whether Mr Aloisi should be sacked. I only attempted to offer more data on what goes into the decision making process. Personally, I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other. I see coaches sacked by boards that think the coach should have four wheels, an engine and be air conditioned so it is refreshing at times to see a club persevere through hard times. The proof will be in the coming months or next season I suppose.

    • January 18th 2018 @ 9:26am
      Waz said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:26am | ! Report

      The counter argument to this is Aloisi took Roar to 3rd place last year and the year before. In his first season with Roar it was only Lawrence Thomas’s finger tips that stopped him winning the title that year. It’s fine margins.

      This season has been an unmitigated disaster and I agree, in any other country Aloisi would have gone by Christmas but clearly Pourre is not holding him accountable for the way njuries.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 9:44am
        Ian said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:44am | ! Report

        Have you thought about the pay out figure for the 3 year deal?

        I know this season sucks. We finished 3rd two years running…as you have said under JA. A Matt McKay successful touch on that ball was entry to the grand final.

        With some of the recent departures there should be some change. But Aloisi has that deal. He should learn from some of the lessons of this uncompleted season. The fitness/conditioning aspect is one I am keen to see fixed.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 9:51am
        Chopper said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:51am | ! Report

        Waz how long did Mulvey last after winning the Grand Final? His recent poor performance in recruitment and playing style should be enough to show him the door. Next to go should be whoever signed him up for another three years because if Aloisi lasts that long there will be no Brisbane Roar.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 10:45am
          Ian said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:45am | ! Report

          Mulvey shouldn’t have been shown the door on performance. That was 6 games into the season or so.

          There are always so many things we don’t know about why events unfold in a football club.

          JA’s resigning would have been approved by the Bakries as they pay for it.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 11:42am
        Lionheart said | January 18th 2018 @ 11:42am | ! Report

        Agreed Waz, great first season when we should have won the title (bar the tiniest of touches) but it wasn’t his team. Next season we may have finished third but adrift of the Premiers by 24 points, and 7 adrift of second place.
        Then this season, on track to be overtaken by Phoenix and snatch the spoon.
        We have faded year on year.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 12:03pm
        Larry1950 said | January 18th 2018 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

        If the governing body had the guts to tell the Backrie group to put their house in order or hand in the licence, we wouldn’t be talking about sacking a coach who’s achieved 2 finals series from 3 with injuries and board imposed poor recruiting strategies. Aloisi is putting on a brave face but he’s biting his tongue to avoid giving Backries a cause to terminate his contract without a payout.
        They’ve been an unmitigated disaster for the Roar. How is Aloisi worse than some of the recycled coaches in the comp who keep resurrecting their careers despite dodgy history, only a few years back Graham Arnold couldn’t buy a win.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 1:00pm
          Lionheart said | January 18th 2018 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

          Larry1950, what recruiting strategies did the board impose at Roar? I’ve not heard that before.

          • January 18th 2018 @ 1:07pm
            Waz said | January 18th 2018 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

            First I’ve heard of it too?

            If “the Board” (presumably meaning the 2 Indonesians + Kingsman?) put restrictions on signings I’d be interested to know what they were?

            Roars spend on salary this season is a whopping $4m+ and is a record spend for the club, if Aloisi was dictated to on who he could/should sign (as happens at City) then it should be public knowledge

            • January 18th 2018 @ 2:52pm
              j,binnie said | January 18th 2018 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

              Waz – Of even more importance, I would like to know the manning of that board you mention,consisting of 2 indonesians and a local business identity.
              Speaking from experience if that is the total manning of their “Boerd” it is no wonder the club is in such difficulties. Cheers jb.

              • January 18th 2018 @ 6:21pm
                Waz said | January 18th 2018 @ 6:21pm | ! Report

                That’s been the Board for as long as I can remember. One Australian to comply with ASIC requirements.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 1:49pm
          Melange said | January 18th 2018 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

          In which year could Arnie not buy a win?

          Does a poor history mean you should write off a coach forever? Plenty can learn from their mistakes.

          • January 18th 2018 @ 2:08pm
            Nikola Pozder said | January 18th 2018 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

            John obviously hasn’t.

            • January 18th 2018 @ 6:58pm
              Melange said | January 18th 2018 @ 6:58pm | ! Report

              Hmmm not so sure. His Roar record is substantially better than his Heart

              • January 19th 2018 @ 6:37am
                Waz said | January 19th 2018 @ 6:37am | ! Report

                JAs win ration in his three years at Roar:

                52%
                42%
                24% so far this season.

                Armies worst season 29%

                So not sure what stats like these are meant to say? JAs first year was better than all but one of Arnies, what does that say?

              • January 20th 2018 @ 3:50pm
                j,binnie said | January 20th 2018 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

                Waz – It says that JA inherited a team that had won the comp previously and GA was in the throes of “changing the guard” at Sydney FC.
                What do the stats say since then???? Cheers jb.

    • January 18th 2018 @ 9:35am
      Square Nostrils said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:35am | ! Report

      I’ll take your word on the win record, so at 33 per cent he should have been gone long ago.
      A sibling combo also is never a good mix, like buying a house with a close relative, too much emotion involved.
      But more than anything the attendance is going down the gurgler rapidly. You can blame the owners, but apart from fans they are the only ones who can take some action.
      Roars lowest average attendance 8650 was in season 5, two seasons after averaging 16951 in Season 3, a drop of nearly 50%.
      Last season they averaged 13892, currently to round 16 they are averaging 9279, if things continue the way they are the average could be around 8000, their lowest ever. This would be another massive percentage drop in one season.
      What does this tell you about Brisbane Roar FC ? IMO its says there’s something more at play than just poor performance ,regarding support for the club.
      Yes crowds have dropped overall this season, but no club is looking at a near 50% drop like the Roar.
      The reason can only be placed on one source, mistrust of management. Is this a club I can trust and support for a lifetime, or shall I just go back to supporting ManU or Liverpool or any one of dozens of other clubs whose jerseys you see at the Roars 3 Grand Finals. Whats even more important nowadays is that its a breeze to follow overseas clubs compared with the past, as football coverage is everywhere if you want it.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 10:08am
        Lionheart said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:08am | ! Report

        if you want it … at 2 or 3 a.m.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 10:15am
        j,binnie said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:15am | ! Report

        Square Nostrils – Taking your observations a bit further,
        Last season after 9 home games Roar were averaging 15,121 to each game.
        This season after 9 home games Roar are averaging 9,546 to each game.
        That is a fall of 5,575 per game.
        Using a nominal $25 entrance fee this represents a loss of $139,375 per match.
        This in turn ,over a season of 13 “home “games, would push this “loss” figure out to $1,811,875.
        Now that sort of money loss is worth investigating, for were the same problem to exist into next season ,there can only be one outcome,-No Roar. jb.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 10:26am
          Square Nostrils said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:26am | ! Report

          By any stretch j,binnie the alarm bells should be deafening, given the break even point for the stadium alone.

          • January 18th 2018 @ 11:10am
            Nick Symonds said | January 18th 2018 @ 11:10am | ! Report

            $1,811,875 – that’s over 3 times the cost of JA’s $500,000 three year contract.

            Decisions, decisions.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 12:54pm
          Midfielder said | January 18th 2018 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

          JB

          Great analysis of the effect of falling attendance… I would add to your figure also a loss of sponsorship and media space if crowds continue under the 10K..

          • January 18th 2018 @ 2:20pm
            Choco Muffin 911 said | January 18th 2018 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

            and the lost opportunity in attracting better players and keeping good ones.

          • January 18th 2018 @ 2:46pm
            j,binnie said | January 18th 2018 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

            Mid – If we want to go into a financial analysis then over the last 3 seasons Roar have spent untold thousands, in importing and letting go players from overseas.
            Despite what people think this is not a cheap exercise when one considers transport of player and his goods, (perhaps family), the wages paid when here, (Hervas,the Spaniard started in 3 matches), the time lag in acclimatisation and of course,not to forget, agent’s fees.
            If you consider perhaps 3 overseas players being recruited annually there is a cost to get them to playing, and of course if they don’t “make it” the cost of returning them from whence they came.
            In the 2015 season (JA ‘s first) Roar brought out Corona and Hervas from. Spain,and Kurtisi from Iran, not to mention the returning (on loan from Holland), Sarota,..
            They played in 59 games between the 4 of them amassing 4 goals.
            Would you care to put a cost on that type of expenditure for such a low return?. Cheers jb.

    • January 18th 2018 @ 9:43am
      Chopper said | January 18th 2018 @ 9:43am | ! Report

      Aloisi is very lucky to still be in a job. He is running Brisbane Roar into the ground. They have lost whatever was left of their “philosophy” and their approach in games is often slow and laborious. He is the man who must stand up and accept full responsibility instead of playing the victim card.

      • January 18th 2018 @ 10:32am
        Lionheart said | January 18th 2018 @ 10:32am | ! Report

        That’s my concern too Chopper. It’s one thing losing but Aloisi has fundamentally changed Roar. Fans could identify with a club that played free and fair, but those ideals got thrown out with Thomas Broich and the bathwater I think.
        We have a number of decent players in our squad at present, others formerly decent who are being carried this season and a few who are still a mystery as they’re yet to reach fitness. But Aloisi has all the cattle now, for the first time this season, either he gets results or gets fired.

        • January 18th 2018 @ 11:57am
          Fadida said | January 18th 2018 @ 11:57am | ! Report

          One of the issues with Aloisi at City is that his side played with no discernible style. Sydney, Jets, CCM have an obvious “style”.

          The other problem was his City side was they played with no tempo. Ditto the Roar

          • January 18th 2018 @ 12:51pm
            Lionheart said | January 18th 2018 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

            yep, I’m starting to see that

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