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The finals format has something very wrong with it. Something very wrong with where games are played. And no, it’s not about the grand…
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Daz shows a passing interest in sport in general from AFL, Rugby League, Formula 1, Olympics and occasionally curling! He can be found at the MCG supporting Melbourne in AFL, at AAMI Park supporting the Storm in NRL, or just at home watching on it all unfold on TV!
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Six Points: Pies' crazy bravery trumps critically cautious Crows, and Simpson's pathetic Eagles can't go on like this
I do agree that he did the wrong thing, and he does deserve to spend time on the side. In the air, late, no attempt to tackle or smother. Clearly his intent was to bump.
If the AFL was serious at actually eliminating this action, they would ensure that all players are treated the same, and that includes their favourites who always manage to get off with dirty acts, when other lesser known or lesser liked players get rubbed out.
Six Points: Kozzie's bump deserved a month off, draws are awesome, and the Pies are officially likeable
Yeah, but “we” like Franklin. So he gets off with nothing to see here.
Six Points: Kozzie's bump deserved a month off, draws are awesome, and the Pies are officially likeable
Other players getting rubbed out is never a deterrent anyway.
As a Dees suppoter, I didn’t like the look of what Kosi did, and I think he definitely deserved to get something. But everyone declaring it the worst act in the history of the universe clearly have to have some perspective.
Let’s just hope they’re still calling for players to be rubbed out for six weeks when it’s their favourite players doing the deed. You can tell who they are, because they’re suddenly calling him “Pickett” instead of “Kosi”.
Six Points: Kozzie's bump deserved a month off, draws are awesome, and the Pies are officially likeable
And like clockwork… all the comments:
“… the worst in footy discourse – “they’re soft”, “they got ahead of themselves”, “loser club”…
” the Demons were overrated heading into 2019… their putrid preliminary final performance should have been a giant red flag for optimists.”
Maybe they got figured over the off-season that followed.”
Maybe their coach is no good.”
“…injuries weren’t a valid excuse ”
And my favourite, which Adrian didn’t mention specifically “2018 was an aberration”
Some people just love to sink the boot into the Dees. It wouldn’t matter what they did or what happened, there’s no allowances for them, unlike when Carlton, or North or the Bulldogs or any other number of teams have poor years.
What fresh hell awaits the Demons?
But funny that the only people that ever seem to be “criticising the quality of the game or an individual” are the white, usually middle-aged, males who seem to take issue with women playing AFLW in general.
Seems these people also seem to have issues with the “quality” of women in politics, media and business, not to mention the “quality” of other social groups (indigenous, LGBTQI+ etc.) demanding a bit more exposure also. Why would that be?
I believe Coca-Cola now uses just “Coca-Cola” as the name for all their products. The “diet”, “no sugar” etc. does not make up part of the brand name, nowadays, it’s just the flavour.
Why criticise when we should be celebrating women’s achievements?
Without any explanation of the underlying calculations there is no way to know what it actually represents. It’s totally meaningless and subject to so much speculation.
Champion Data have released their 2020 list rankings and we have many, many questions
Exactly, like a tackle only counts as a tackle if it results in a free kick for holding the ball or a stoppage.
All those tackles where it’s play on, the ball spills free, or the tackled player handballs away in the nick of time to an empty ground are not counted as tackles, even though without the “attempted” tackle taking place, the outcome of the contest would have a marked difference in the game.
Champion Data have released their 2020 list rankings and we have many, many questions
People use statistics as a drunk uses a lamppost — for support rather than illumination — Andrew Lang / A. E. Housman
Champion Data have released their 2020 list rankings and we have many, many questions
Same, some of their stats are so specific they’re virtually meaningless to all but the coaches.
Champion Data have released their 2020 list rankings and we have many, many questions
Not quite sure how accurate the BS Adjuster will turn out to be, but I think you might be on a winner here by at least getting everyone to list their most hated and loved teams, so we can see where their biases come from. Genius!
For me:
Best:
Melbourne
Hawthorn
Collingwood
Brisbane
Worst:
Geelong
North Melbourne
St Kilda
Carlton
Bias is in the eye of the beholder
I appreciate your reply Stirling.
When I was referring to “we” I meant us as the (mostly) anonymous posters, some of whom seem to revel in declaring certain teams should be dissolved, or they’re a laughing stock, of no importance.
Although, now that I think about it, some “respected” journalists and ex-player commentators exhibit this behaviour at times too!
What the AFL must sort out by the end of the next decade
What happened to make the competition uneven in 1986?
What the AFL must sort out by the end of the next decade
A “lesser” Victorian club (whatever that means) has been predicted to fold since Fitzroy was forced out.
I find it completely disrepectful to the players and those involved with particular clubs that we sit here behind our keyboards and deem which clubs we think are not worthy.
Funny though, that it’s always some other club, no one ever thinks their own club should be merged or folded.
What the AFL must sort out by the end of the next decade
Exactly, just because “we” deem that club not worthy, does not necessarily make it so. Perhaps we fold West Coast seeing as their supporters seem to be the ones that complain about the biased Victorians the most.
What the AFL must sort out by the end of the next decade
But how is that in any way fair?
Each team gets 11 home games per year. Giving half the teams extra home games every single year obviously means you’ll have to give extra away games to the other teams.
Way to make WCE and Adelaide even richer and St Kilda, North and Melbourne even poorer. They already get bad commercial deals with the draw as it is, and now you want to take another game off them.
Maybe.. maybe the option is for the AFL to encourage some teams to sell their home game to their opposition. Like what Bulldogs did with Sydney, Melbourne did with Brisbane a few years ago. Except you’d have to given them them lots of cash and some other type of bonus for any club to sell their home game to their interstate oppponent.
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
Of course we are aware of home ground advantage.
Most Victorian based clubs would love a home ground advantage that WCE and Freo enjoy all year when they play at Optus. Continuing to complain about the GF at the MCG while ignoring the fact Perth teams have more chance of getting to the GF in the first place by their advantage at Optus is just hypocritical.
The only Victorian team that experiences any type of home ground advantage anywhere near comparable with Optus is Geelong, when they play at Kardinia Park.
Both the MCG and Marvel are neutral venues for Victorian teams.
That is part of the reasoning behind some Victorian clubs attempting to establish presence elsewhere, Hawthorn don’t need the cash, but they get a decent home ground advantage playing at York Park.
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
Ok, so in the end, it boils down to the fact that when Victorian clubs play at alternative venues (like Tasmania, Ballarat or NT) they should play Victorian teams there.
Guess what, I agree with you. I’d prefer if Melbourne didn’t play Port or Freo in Alice Springs, I’d prefer to have that home ground advantage at the MCG.
But the AFL schedules these games based solely on money and who draws the bigger crowds. It’s not Victorian consiracy, it’s purely business.
Of course, we don’t mention anything about when GWS play in Canberra, when Gold Coast play in NT or Cairns, or when Port Adelaide play in China. How are these any different?
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
Of course West Coast beat Collingwood at the MCG and became premiers too. So I guess they had no advantage there. Or maybe, the best teams can win anywhere.
If a team is really the best, then they won’t need to rely on their huge home ground advantage to bump up their wins. They’ll win in Perth, Melbourne, Tassie or China.
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
It’s not naïveté, just acceptance that it’s a reality of the competition that all clubs voluntarily chose to become a part of (and remain in).
The fact that one city has half the teams, and every one of other cities only have 1 or 2 teams means there is no way that the teams based in these other cities will travel less than the teams based in the one city.
Whinging about it makes no difference.
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
Go on, no one is stopping them from creating their own break-away league. I can assure you though that:
a) most of the players would prefer to play for Collingwood or Geelong or Richmond that some manufactured team representing Victoria in this new competition.
b) most supporters would prefer to continue seeing Collingwood play Essendon on the MCG.
c) Channel 7 would not pay $1b+ for rights to that leauge. No one would. It would end up on Fox sports 8 at 1:00am.
1987 is eons ago. No one disagrees that the VFL was a basket case and yes expanding to include WCE and the Bears was a huge help.
Also, considering in 1987, Essendon played at Windy Hill and Collingwood played at Vic Park, why would they be training on the MCG?
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
And when 9 (10) team shares 2 ground, it means that there is less advantage playing that team.
The same way when West Coast and Fremantle play at Optus Stadium, they don’t get as much home advantage playing there as they would when they host Gold Coast.
This is exactly the same principle that applies when St Kilda host Essendon at Marvel.
Except, WA & SA teams are guaranteeed 11 home games and 1 away game at their home ground each year.
Many Victorian teams have to host games at a ground that is not their home ground, or otherwise we’d see the Anzac game played at Marvel when Essendon are the home team.
The AFL fixture is biased towards Victorian clubs
Not to mention playing Essendon in Adelaide for Gather Round coming straight off the back of the Perth trip.
You can only beat who is in front of you, but June will present Melbourne’s biggest test