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Fair point – Storm in box seat and will only be displaced from the top by the Roosters, if the Roosters win the next two premierships and Storm perform poorly next year. That said, I think the Rabbitohs will defeat the Roosters tonight which will secure it for the Storm.

Preliminary final weekend to shape race for team of the decade

Could be wrong but disagree. Football was long well established in the USA but the 1994 FIFA World Cup did much to elevate the sport to a higher level. Basically the same would go for basketball in Australia if it were to host such an event.
It could inspire a generation of athletes to choose basketball over the other sports as it offers more money and a greater international stage that other sports (football aside) can’t match. In that scenario, it qualifies as a sleeping giant.

Australia should host the 2023 Basketball World Cup

Agree and it is undeniable that the Roar are rising as a result!

Analysis: Why the Roar is Brisbane's second most popular team

I didn’t say aggregate crowds were conclusive and you a wrong to say it is in no way an analysis, it is an analysis of one metric! A key metric that highlights the Roar is rising in its status amongst Brisbane’s teams. This is undeniable.

Analysis: Why the Roar is Brisbane's second most popular team

Agree, I didn’t select the title of the article and the point was to highlight how much the Roar have comparatively risen in the popularity rankings of Brisbane’s professional teams.

Analysis: Why the Roar is Brisbane's second most popular team

The basis is all attendances have been calculated within the calendar. So the Roar matches for 2016 include the matches held within 2016 of the 2015-16 and 2016-17 season. Also it does not include finals matches.

Analysis: Why the Roar is Brisbane's second most popular team

The point of the AFL comparison is to illustrate ratings actually increased for the Western Bulldogs fairytale in Melbourne, however they have actually declined for the Sharks “fairytale” in Sydney. The same increase could have been achieved in Sydney if the Sharks were still everyone’s ”second team”, clearly they are not for obvious reasons. Agree no one likes Roosters outside the Bondi bubble…

Sharks make Sydney switch off sport this September

Pay TV simulcast was considered but excluded from the analysis because there is no publicly available data per city, it is national.
The average Pay TV rating per match in 2016 was 337,000 for NRL and 438,000 for AFL.
Given Sydney is one fifth of Australia’s population, it has more popularity for NRL than Perth/Adelaide, a limited number of Sydney sides were in the finals, and most NRL fans outside of NSW prefer Pay TV over the Channel 9 commentary team, you could say maybe 30% of the NRL Pay TV ratings are from Sydney, meaning the Sydney average would be around 372,000 (not 288,000), which is still 26% than fewer 2015.
Another factor that was excluded was the Swans run through the finals, as AFL averaged 102,000 per match this year in Sydney, which is around 60,000 more than the usual average (without Swans playing).
So if you’re counting, the impact of each factor in the 210,000 reduction per match could be estimated as follows:
Pay TV – 50%
Swans – 25%
Disinterest for Sharks – 15%
Other low Sydney club representation (two less matches overall) – 10%
An example of a like for like comparison of the impact of the Sharks is the Broncos v Roosters 2015 prelim final which had 537,000 viewers. The Sharks v Cowboys had 392,000 viewers (excl. Pay TV) plus say 30% of the 319,000 ratings it is 10% fewer than 2015. Likewise, the Raiders v Sharks (249,000) attracted the same level of viewership has the Storm v Cowboys (264,000) match in week 1 of the 2016 finals (Pay TV recorded 349,000 for both matches). In comparison to the equivalent Roosters v Storm final in week 1 of 2015 (451,000 Sydney viewers), the Raiders v Sharks match drew 20% fewer if you include estimated Pay TV ratings.
Hope that covers it for you, apologies this was unable to all have been included in the original article.

Sharks make Sydney switch off sport this September

Agree – there is always another place for North to expand their brand, they can try Western Sydney/Canberra again or even Darwin. Hawthorn don’t need Tasmania anymore now they are a juggernaut.

Giant opportunity lost without Tasmania

Didn’t think it had to be said in this article, but a Tasmanian side should play half their games at Hobart and the other half at Launceston.

Giant opportunity lost without Tasmania

In 1986 the Swans averaged 25,000 per game in just their 5th season in Sydney. GWS are not showing the same signs of life.

Giant opportunity lost without Tasmania

Tim, your crowd statistics are incorrect by a significant margin for the NRL in 2015.
The way you use the statistics for this article are pretty poor as well. AFL has always been bigger in terms of crowds, however what you fail to mention is the AFL expansion has resulted in crowd reductions on average. Now it is only 17k higher than NRL, not 21k as in 2010. In Brisbane the AFL is in retreat, the Roar could produce higher attendances than the Lions in 2016, something that was unthinkable 5 years ago. So I don’t think the Aleague will surpass the NRL any time soon and the NRL will be expanding more than the AFL in the near future, no matter what some boffin in NRL HQ may have said which made you completely overreact.

It's official: The NRL is getting smashed by the AFL

Agree its not like for like, however RL to PNG is almost what cricket is to India. Sure Harvey Norman won’t advertise in PNG, but neither do VB in India. Ultimately there would be local PNG companies drooling at the opportunity to pump corporate money into the team and the ads on TV.

MASCORD: Should the NRL just let the rebel clubs go?

Agree PNG is a stretch now and is probably last in the priority waiting list. Long term it makes sense and if the NRL made their move in the next 5 years it could really play a great role in accelerate the development and social improvement of the nation.

MASCORD: Should the NRL just let the rebel clubs go?

Fair point but I think your point is overrated. Foxtel would have more subscriptions with Perth Sharks and Brisbane Panthers compared to keeping them in Cronulla and Penrith.

MASCORD: Should the NRL just let the rebel clubs go?

PNG has a population of 6 million, dare say it is likely to generate a TV deal smaller to the NZ package, but greater than what Penrith and Manly contribute.

MASCORD: Should the NRL just let the rebel clubs go?

Given small market teams in Sydney like Penrith, Cronulla, Manly, Easts are limiting the actual revenue the NRL can earn, these clubs are not in a position to ask for more money from the NRL.
The next TV rights could be 25% more if two/three of the above four clubs were relocated / replaced with Perth, Brisbane 2.0, Central Coast, PNG and Wellington. Plus crowds would increase and these clubs would be more financially viable, require less hand out money from the NRL which could be invested in grass roots and the development growth of the game in Australia and internationally.

MASCORD: Should the NRL just let the rebel clubs go?

I think it would be a bigger farce that Rogers and Watson are still in the side for the West Indies and England tours. But given they made runs in the dead rubber test they should be secured in the team for another 12 months.

The Shaun Marsh selection farce

Very minor correction, Stan Wawrinka didn’t play in the 2003 Davis Cup semi, it was some guy called Michel Kratochvil who Hewitt defeated in the opening tie, and you would’ve hoped Philippoussis would have defeated anyway in the 5th tie to send Australia through to the final.

Hewitt vs Federer tops my list of favourite sporting events

I was also referring to the 1999 QF when Scud went down with a knee injury when he was dominating, but the statement was meant to reference that and the epic ’96 win.

Simply put, Lleyton is one of the greats of tennis

Ease up on Scud would ya Kev, the guy made two Grand Slam finals, including one to Federer at Wimbledon, won two Davis Cups for Australia and completely outplayed Sampras in his prime at Wimbledon. Comparing him to Hewitt is ridiculous, Scud’s 6’5” frame is not conducive to long successful career’s in tennis as their potential is often not fully reached due to inevitable serious injuries, just look at Safin, Ivanisevic, Haas etc. They all had similar careers to Scud, some slightly more successful than others, but it is a fine line when it comes to Grand Slams, it often comes down to good timing, health and luck of the draw. The amount of injuries Scud overcame to have the year he did in 2003 was phenomenal and required a heap of determination.

Simply put, Lleyton is one of the greats of tennis

I disagree with your tier ranking Tennis Fan, Hewitt belongs in Tier 4 or 5. He was World No.1 in an era where pundits were legitimately questioning whether the Women’s World No 1 was stronger than the Men’s equivalent, largely due to the style and skill of Hewitt’s game. Completely agree though with your success to natural talent ratio though – Hewitt is occupies Tier 1 on his own!

Simply put, Lleyton is one of the greats of tennis

Not a bad idea, but I still think an NRL Challenge Cup on Origin weekends and a slue of international matches with the ANZAC test would work better. http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/04/26/replace-city-country-with-nrl-challenge-cup/
Plus SOO on stand alone weekends must be played on Monday nights to maximise viewership in Vic, SA, Tas & WA

How to fix the NRL during the Origin period

Can you believe 7 out of 8 Round 1 games were played in Sydney?! What a narrow minded way to promote the opening of the NRL season to Australia and NZ!

NRL for the past decade has always tried to maximise Round 1 attendances through blockbusters, clearly this wasn’t a focus for them this year. There is not much point hyperventilating over a 30% drop on last year’s Round 1 as there are no indications yet the NRL won’t average their standard 15-16k per game this season.

No need for NRL to panic on crowds just yet

Apologies for being so blunt SportsFanMelb, I just took exception to you calling my comment weak because I didn’t provide evidence to back something up which I presumed was common / general knowledge. I would argue it is much weaker to not know if a statement is incorrect factually while proceeding to pronounce a statement is weak and presume the person just doesn’t like the sport, when in fact the person does like the sport!

It is after all a comment section to an article where I thought you are allowed to make off the cuff comments based on your knowledge / opinion. If you don’t have the knowledge to challenge something go ahead and do the research yourself then rejoin the debate when you are more informed!

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