Never mind Super 18 or Super 15, how about Super 16?
It seems just a distant memory now, the hazy days of 2003. A world cup and genuine thoughts that rugby here was going to…
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It has, as always been a cash grab to sustain a certain level of lifestyle, the problem with this is the game is essentially living of a credit card and without growing a genuine domestic base like the other codes (regardless of whether they do not have an international component) is your are running out of supporters/fans to fund this as they have chosen the other codes who care more for there support base.
The problem rugby has is things like Lions tours and World cup sugar hits also prevents any serious thought going into alternatives.
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Rugby has suffered from illusions of grandeur for 25 years here. Everything has been sacrificed for “Test Primacy” and the local domestic market has been ignored for the never ending pursuit of Global riches, which sadly never eventuate.
The biggest market that will ever be available to rugby here is Australia, if the code is to stupid to figure that out then it deserves to be where it is and the never ending decline will just continue.
'Previous chairman can not be a scapegoat': First salvo fired in bid to spill the Rugby Australia board
Nothing wrong with the Rebels, just the competition they are playing in.
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You have to grow that market something we have not done for 25 years now.
Shred of evidence ??? What about the bloody AFL/NRL what are they fantasy.
Those clubs are run on at a financial level the game can sustain, the market decides what financial level of the competition.
To grow a tree you first have to plant the seed. You cannot have a market unless you grow it.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
And it is only now the NZRU are realizing there mistake with Super Rugby, by not evolving the original NRC into a genuine domestic competition they have sacrificed that as well.
No one is saying 27 unions needed to go professional, but by not evolving what was the original support base of Rugby and then with Super rugby trying to to turn it into some sort of world conquering global wtf, it like Australia is ending up in no man’s land.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
The competitions make the money, not the clubs.
You need the market to invest in the competition, that makes those clubs sustainable.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
That doesn’t grow the game, what so not appealing to the biggest market you will ever have, your domestic base. Because without them you don’t exist.?????
So how has Super rugby grown the game over the last 25 years with 6/7 countries and how many continents.
Insular. what part of a domestic competition is insular, you will still have cross over games.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
“What we do here is absolute madness… yet they think if we just put more money in the comp will be ok….” Exactly, and now we don’t have any money, thanks Super Rugby.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
They don’t cost more money if backed by a decent business structure, less teams will not improve the Wallabies. Because as the codes loses popularity, less people will play & support the game.
In the long run the exact opposite will happen as it has over the last 20 years
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
The AFL/NRL have 18 plus teams, yet we can’t imagine more than 5 (soon to be 4).
Funding, you start where you can (sadly, after 25 years of Super rugby were broke)
Would the standard decline, yes but after 25 years playing in a competition with some of the best players in the world available, yet no one is watching and were broke.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
We have had that point of difference for 25 years and it has made little difference.
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
It can change by going domestic, which it should have done 25 years ago,
Passionate, visceral, irrational tribalism is vital for any competition to succeed. Is a lack of it damaging Super Rugby?
“I think at some stage the financial reality of supporting five teams is going to be difficult for Australia to sustain,” Jones said. “There’s an inevitability about that and it’s how you go about that.”
The business model has never worked, the game could sustain 8,10,12 teams if done right. The top down nature of the game prevents this though.
When every part of your game is sacrificed for Test Primacy, you need a big return on that to sustain things.
The problem moving forward and we see this beginning to happen in NZ as well, the lack of domestic growth means you every year you become less able to compete with competitive codes, who with better business models simply appeal more to fans/supporters/markets whatever you want to call them.
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Exactly, this is another one of those articles that happily ignores the last 20 years.
The reason why the game is slowly going down the gurgler here is the exact thinking the article promotes, happily welcome the demise of a rugby team in Australia to be replaced by an Argentinean team, without a hint of how that grows the game here, how does that work out financially to Australian teams, how do the Waratahs promote a trip to Buenos Aires, meanwhile the AFL & NRL chip away at your grassroots, its f—-g insane thinking.
For 25 Years Super has been played in 5 continents with what 6/7 countries involved. The vision is all about Japan & Whatever country is flavor of the month, who needs to tender your own backyard when your of conquering the world.
In the end it will do the exact opposite of what you want for the game here.
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Why stop at 3, why not just trot out the Wallabies every weekend.
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We should have gone domestic 20 year ago when some money was available. Now the game is broke thanks to Super Rugby, but to grow a tree you need to plant a seen at some stage.
So lets start planning.
Expanding, not shrinking, is how to create a competitive and sustainable Australian rugby competition
Wow, what a magnificent mission statement, with all the right words.
Rest, Refine, Create an environment, Build cultural, Evaluate, Develop a systematic. Its just brilliant.
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Your stuck in no man’s land. Super Rugby is at the heart of the issue. Less people are already going to the games, Media revenue has been falling for years now, There already been spending less on grassroots because there broke.
Yet for 25 years Super Rugby has had access to some of the best players (cream) in the world and look at it, the quality is there look at last weekends games.
It is the structure that is the issue, until you address that you are just going round in ever decreasing circles.
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They have spent $billions over the last 25 years propping this competition up (that theory could have easily been turned into reality over that time) but vested interests have always prevented that from happening, as you say everyone’s getting paid.
ANALYSIS: The Rebels aren't going down without a fight - and they might drag Rugby Australia down with them
Maybe about time we pulled the whole thing down and started again. Super rugby has been a disaster for the game in this country.
A national domestic competition with budgets the game can afford.
Surely anything is better than this sh—t
ANALYSIS: The Rebels aren't going down without a fight - and they might drag Rugby Australia down with them
Its a rock & hard place for the code here. Frustrating after so many years of poor economics have left the game so broke.
But in a nutshell Super Rugby has always been a step to far for the game here, take the Rebels for example expecting them to compete with what is essentially NZ selection trial teams when it does not have the player base is ridiculous.
More to the point though the competition has to many structural issues and does not appeal to enough people to grow the game here.
Yet we have two perfect examples with competing codes that do work, but any mention of maybe we should try that option is met with illogical denial.
But vested interest ensures nothing ever changes.
'Our talent is spread too thin': Ex-Wallabies captain urges Rugby Australia to cut Super teams
Australian rugby needs to exit Super rugby before it destroys the game here, simple.
'Our talent is spread too thin': Ex-Wallabies captain urges Rugby Australia to cut Super teams
If only, and we could have avoided this god awful mess masquerading as Super Rugby
COMMENT: This is the real reason why the Force were cut in 2017
“When we talk about the fans that’s not great for the identity and purpose of the competition. As I share some of the conversations about new territories coming into the competition those lessons are certainly front of mind. Having in-depth analysis, great data, around what any new entrant or expansion might mean is a foundation from decisions in the past.”
So essentially they have leant nothing from Super rugby over the last 20 years then.
'Ready to go': Jaguares set for early return to Super Rugby if Rebels fall over
Exactly
'Previous chairman can not be a scapegoat': First salvo fired in bid to spill the Rugby Australia board