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I watch NRL, Swimming and NFL. My favorite moments are the Roosters 2002 Premiership win(in the midst of their awesome 2000-2004 run) and the Ravens recent Superbowl run. I like debating all things sport so even if I have no idea what I am talking about I will pretend I do.
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Following last year's performance many of you will be 'supporters' of this side. But even more of you are actually not supporters of the…
This year I again stayed up late watching the Dally M awards night, something every year I promise myself I will avoid the next…
It's just been one of those weeks hasn't it? Many massive wins, a few close games a few massive upsets, a draw and another…
Though an American concept power rankings are an extremely effective method to compare and rank teams in a competition. So here we go for…
An essential part of my argument is that fairest should no longer be a criteria for our player of the year award.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
No. i watched most of cronullas games (i would guess 12-15). It was just one example of the things that dave and fifita could both do. A few year ago all the things you are saying about fifita people were saying about dave taylor, right or wrong. You clearly have a short term memory issue. is your name meant to be ironic goldfish?
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
I really think a collection of media former players and coaches plus a (very) small percentage going to a fan vote would be the way forward. If 250 or so people ranked their 5 players of the year from 1-5, then the fans all voted for one player and the top 5 of those were ranked 1-5, following the end of round 26 and staying open until the second kick-off for the finals begins. We would then be ranking players on their seasons entirety as opposed to how many brilliant games they have regardless of their duds.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
Absolutely. I understand that totally. Just look at the variations on the JWH opinions above (though i accept i am in the minority).
It is just i think we would get a better result if the subjectivity occurred once when evaluating their season in its entirety as opposed to happening every single round until the finals.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
True but the anti nrl media always have a field day. The best player should get the award. It becomes a terrible joke when a player gets rubbed out for a long period for stupid things. I hate to use him again as an example. But JWH’s 5 match suspension for the ‘swinging arm’ was plain dumb. a 1 or 2 week suspension would have sufficed. And cost him 9 less points on his total.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
Isn’t that even more reason for a change?
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
I never said they were. But Dave Taylor possesses a lot of the skills that make Fifita so brilliant. Infact i would say they are very similar players. Dave had an absolute dud this season but just a year or so ago Dave was considered one of the best forwards in the competition. Do you have some memory issues fishes or do you just jump on the next big thing every time it comes around and forget what we have seen before? This reminds me of Fifitas try just in the ingoal:
and that wasn’t even in my article… that was in the comments. If that is what you picked out of all that was said you really wasted your time reading the article or any of the comments, I am sorry i failed to live up to your impressive standard. They were merely my opinion on players more deserving than Cronk. They weren’t the only ones.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
Isn’t missing the games and opportunity to score points already enough punishment? and it makes it impossible for Forwards to win as they are more likely to be suspended because they do more grunt work.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
You pretty much summed up what i was trying to say in two paragraphs. Jamie Lyon and Fifita both narrowly missed my cut. But any of the 5 players you listed were better choices than Cronk for this years best player in my opinion.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
Forwards don’t get cushy media gigs. Except Hindy and Fletcher (god knows why he got one, and i am a roosters fan!)
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
@Renegade
Absolutely the case is debatable, just like you i have at no point said my second choice front rower is not one of the best two front rowers in the comp.
When Fifita was selected it isn’t like I blew up about it. I thought it was definitely a fair choice, it would just have been my personal second choice. And the forward pack is something i have no room to budge on! Roosters are just outright better! Guess we will have to agree to disagree. 🙂
@The Eye
That would be a fair point, if you hadn’t completely disregarded that the Roosters were going through their falt patch of the year and Cronulla still ended up only winning by a relatively small margin. If you removed Cronulla’s 4 penalty goals the score would have been 24-22. It was a far cry from the game just a few weeks before that when the Roosters defeated them 40-0 (just for a side note JWH out gained Fifita by 50+ meters across the 2 games).
Martin Kennedy lost his spot in the Roosters team due to his injuries and other players stepping up. He will be a standout for Brisbane next year and i suspect he will play State of Origin.
I never said Cordner was better than Lewis. I said SBW was and if you disagree with that you are kidding yourself. I just prefer Lewis off the bench. His unique skill set is more dangerous against tired forwards imo. O’Donnell has been good this year. Better than Heighington, If i wanted a second bench front rower (usually an absolute requirement) I would select O’Donnell, but with Gallen being in the starting side and able to fill in at front row in a pinch i would consider Tupou.
Infact on Heighington, Moa was also better than him this year, and when Napa has got a game he is not much worse either. That kid can play.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
and watch Gallen get it 5 years in a row because the sydney-centric media love him? no way.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
That’s true. There is no 100% way to decide this. But i think a system that rewards full seasons as opposed to an accumulation of individual good games would be a good start. Cronk didn’t get any negative points for the embarrassment of a game against Manly in round 25.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
Of course fifita is making more hit ups and more tackles. He plays more minutes. If you take more hit ups you make more meters.
The sharks pack is not on the same level as the Roosters pack (Roosters players all listed first…
8. JWH = Fifita
9. Friend > Morris
10. O’Donnell > Tagatese
11. SBW > Luke Lewis
12. Cordner > Graham
13. Nuusala < Gallen
The Roosters still have players of the caliber of Guerra, Martin Kennedy, Sam Moa, Mitchell Aubusson, Dylan Napa left out. Cronulla have Tupou and Heighington left but that is about it. Another way of thinking about it is. If i was to make the best forward pack and three bench players i could from these two clubs it would be:
8. JWH
9. Friend
10. Fifita
11. SBW
12. Cordner/Lewis
13. Gallen
14. Cordner/Lewis
15. Martin Kennedy
16. Tupou/ O'Donnell (pending whether you want a front or second rower)
That is 5.5 Roosters, 3.5 Sharks. Sharks are in my opinion the second best pack in the NRL behind the Roosters. But it isn't really close. There is a reason Rooster were Minor Premiers and the forwards are it.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
Are you sure the dragons beat the top 4 sides 3 times?
St. G 24-18 Souths (WITHOUT GI)
St. G 0-36 Roosters
St. G 18-24 Manly
St. G 10-30 Storm
I assume you are including their two wins over Newcastle? in which case NO! Not ok. Newcastle where 7th. they played one outstanding game against the Storm. that does NOT make them a top 4 side. get the hell outta here.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
I know. my issue isn’t so much that he got nominated under the system. My issue is that under the system players that are the best player on a weak team, like dugan get rewarded.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
The gap between the stats is not as great as you seem to believe…
Fifita averages 8.34m per hit-up. JWH averages 8.86m per hit-up.
Fifita averages 33 tackles per game. JWH averages 31. In less minutes.
Offloads are not as important a part of JWH’s game, his team has better ballplaying forwards than him or fifita. But he can pop one out when he gets the chance. But i definitely think Fifita is better in this are regardless.
JWH playing less minutes is a result of the Roosters vastly superior pack to the Sharks. It has nothing to do with JWH’s ability or lack of it.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
This really is my point, in regards to dugan, I was kind of in a rush to get this on the site last night as i wanted to get this up as quickly as possible and in this post i sort of missed the mark on what i was trying to say a lot. I think i sort of tried to write two articles as one and it really didn’t work.
In these positions where points are harder to come by i think that is where the Dally M’s fall hardest. It rewards 3 or 4 brilliant games over a solid season. If we had to rate fullbacks on their entire season Dugan would definitely not have go a look in. We need to stop rewarding players on weak as teams. It is ridiculous. Soon we will have a dally m medalist on a team that didn’t even make the finals.
Dally M not a true representation of NRL's MVP
What would you say to Raiders at 7th? because I originally had them behing the Knights before i remembered how bad the Knights got crushed by them last week.
NRL Power Rankings week 10: Where is your team ranked this week
Passion probably wasn’t really the right word. I just didn’t see the vicious intensity I saw against the Roosters and Rabbitohs. It surprised me a lot. The game would probably be about third on my list of great games this season at the moment behind the Manly V Roosters and Manly V Souths games. Manly just seem to get the best effort out of every team every week.
NRL Power Rankings week 10: Where is your team ranked this week
I’d say it is quite possible the knights could get there if they win and Cronulla loses this week. But if Cronulla beats Souths I daresay they will hold their spot if not move even higher. I did originally put the Knights at 6th but moved them in last minute editing when I remembered the game they played the Raiders in last week. I just didn’t feel right putting them above a team that beat them so handily just a week ago.
Seeing as you seem to be the first to pick up on the Billy Madison reference I suppose you are the official winner of this weeks power rankings. You can have a point hahaha 🙂
NRL Power Rankings week 10: Where is your team ranked this week
I agree completely with your analysis of the teams line-ups, the Roosters clearly have vastly superior talent to the Cowboys. But when I watched the game I saw basically every opportunity each team created get ruined by handling errors. This effected the Roosters as well but the Cowboys just had so many opportunities I feel that the Roosters really caught a break that a lot of the passes didn’t stick. But in saying that the referees gave the Cowboys every chance to win the game at the end (some of those penalties where ridiculously soft) and they didn’t come through so maybe it wouldn’t have mattered.
NRL Power Rankings week 10: Where is your team ranked this week
Roosters copped their fair share of strange refereeing decisions as well the Ballin strip on JWH that was called a knock-on is one that comes to my mind immediately, along with Lyon blocking Jennings multiple times (I know he did it to I am just saying) and the penalty try (though i agree with that one). I am sure there were countless others. Also that Maloney pass was one that gets missed 9 times out of 10. When minichiello recieved the ball he was still behind maloney, it was on a break so the refs werent in line, the video refs arent allowed to call on forward passes. I believe that Maloney made a genuine attempt to pass it backwards, t that pace it just doesn’t happen. laws of physics.
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