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I have no issue with that but I think Brumbies fans would rather pull their eyes out and eat them before they’d merge with NSW. I wouldn’t wish anyone merging and being brought into NSW Rugby politics.
They would be the bigger partner in a Vic/ACT partnership but without buy in from both sets of fans it wouldn’t work. It appears (especially) from the ACT side they don’t want it to work and that’s perfectly understandable.
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Following another team doesn’t preclude me from understanding what happens in other rugby markets. You don’t know my background.
You’re obviously not a fan of a merger. That’s understandable. We’ll leave it there
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This proposal is ACT based.
Overtime if the Victorian side of the partnership is getting stronger because of development isn’t that good for Australian rugby?
If it gets to the point where there are calls because Victoria has finally hits its straps in development, for the Brumbies to move to Melbourne, then the answer is for a Victoria Super Rugby equivalent to be re-established. That’s year’s away. Who knows what the landscape looks like. We have a domestic comp or a trans Tasman comp or a wider Pacific Comp. whatever it is we”ll need more than 4 teams.
The Brumbies stay in the ACT always. Stipulate that in the teams charter, constitution. Make it a legal bidding condition.
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I’m not saying handing anything over to the NSWRU or VRU. The ACTRU would continue to develop the region it currently looks after. The VRU would continue to look after their current regions. Everything is the same as it it is. All development pathways: juniors, seniors, schools, club, reps, up to NRC (Rising, Vikings), the only difference is the Victorian players also play for the ACT based Brumbies.
There is no difference for current ACT fans except for 3 less home games than this season. That is a decent change, but the trade off is a wider player pool, more coaches, more fans, more sponsorship dollars, two governments to draw funding from.
I don’t understand the resistance when the ACT can capitalise (no pun intended) on the dire situation and leverage it to its advantage by making itself stronger.
I understand that there is a concern of losing control of the Brumbies but the events over the last few weeks has highlighted that anything can happen. The key is to make yourself indispensable and more powerful. I would have thought this may have assisted that goal.
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Not good to hear Justin.
What are your thoughts on the ARU choosing Uni Tas as one of the founding teams for the Women’s national 7s comp?
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I like it. Cheika could coach them. They could wear a gold jersey with a Wallaby on it, but what to call them?
Yes, the Brumrebforredtahs is excellent
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Justin, serious question, without a team in Tasmania, what pathway would rugby players there want?
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Did you read it? The article is advocating they do stay and expand.
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I’m notsuggrsting a merger because I don’t think Canberra is a viable market for a team. I think it can enhance rugby in Canberra.
For the sake of having 3 less home games than we have this season, you have access to more fans and spectators, more sponsors, another premier rugby comp from which to draw upon, two NRC teams to concentrate the talent, another governement (Victoria) that is willing to plough money into sport.
You keep your tream and branding.
I spend quite a bit of time in Canberra and it’s the only town I see many super rugby jerseys worn in the street on game day and on the day after. I enjoy attending Brumbies games because there is passion. The last thing I want is for that to be damaged. The Brumbies shouldn’t be moved from Canberra.
The ACT and its surrounds have a good sized population to sustain a team, but could it be even better by reaching out to the other Southern States?
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Wasn’t aware it had been posted before. Apologies.
I Still think it’s worth discussing.
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Its impressive CH.
I can’t even comprehend that they’re thinking of cutting the Force given the level of development and progress.
WA are showing the way with grassroots growth without ARU funding.
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It’s showing the pathway and a connection to that area. If you’re an aspiring rugby player in Hobart the Southern Brumbies is your team and your pathway.
Similar to having Waratah supporters in Newcastle even though the games are played in Sydney.
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If it was the only option I would actually support it rather than have no rugby. QLD fans may not be as accomodating. Probably prefer to merge with an NZ or English team before aligning with NSW.
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Im sure you didn’t exhibit that defeatist spirit on the field Lesterlike 🙂
There have been countless failed mergers across the sporting landscape, but that doesn’t mean they will all fail.
The establishment of the 5 NZ teams was a merger of sorts of their provincial teams and very few of them got on. They still have the provincial teams underneath them and a similar structure would occur with the NRC.
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I’m with you Sheek, I am fighting for all 5 teams this is the option of last resort, but if the ARU are determine to have 4 we need to look at options.
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You’re heading is much better more catchy than mine 🙂
We Probably should have included the Melbourne Storm in the merger talk to bring the Rugby League folk into these threads 🙂
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The handling and communication has been atrocious. I can only compare it to the hunger games scenario.
Where Australian fans were pretty much amicable in their discussion you can see them turning on each other. It’s moved beyond just healthy competition it’s quite hostile at times.
This is my main gripe with the ARU.
The other is what happens next if they do cut a team? Does that city lose their NRC team? Is there support for the junior development?
I’m still holding hope the legal actions by the Force and Rebels ties the ARU hands and they can’t do anything until 2020 and that gives those clubs more time to find a better funding model. I live in hope…
In the interim I look for solutions like this merger.
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To be honest Milan I think think a merger is a pretty ordinary idea. I wish we weren’t even discussing these type of options.
I can’t speak for any other Tah supporters, but if the Tahs were to merge with the Reds I would support this Northern team. This year there are 7 home games. Next season there are supposed to be more home games with the Super Rugby restructure. I don’t know the exact number but let’s say it’s 8 as a minimum. 4 home games could concentrate the crowds if marketed correctly. Perhaps the Melbourne games could be all scheduled on the 1st Saturday of every month and the Canberra games have a similar pattern. 4 games isn’t ideal but it’s a solution. The NRC may come more to the forefront to boost people’s rugby viewing quota.
You can tell from my name I’m pretty fond of the Tahs, but most of all I care for Australian rugby. I can’t fathom us losing a Super Rugby team. I’m just trying to find a reasonable solution so that everyone still has an opportunity to support a team and the pathways are still maintained for aspiring young players.
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Shaun,
A fall from 148,000 to 55,000 is a very dramatic fall. If rugby was hemorrhaging numbers like this, it would be very noticeable. Clubs would be folding en masse and nearly two thirds of all competitions would be cancelled. It would have been in the papers well before now, yet this is the first time we are hearing about this?
Sure there have been examples of clubs not having as many players at pre-season and not being able to field a team in a division but this is offset by examples of clubs expanding and growing in new areas. This mass collapse is not what anyone is seeing.
When you conduct a survey such as this and there is a huge change relative to the previous survey, does Roy Morgan question the result? Do they compare it to other survey results conducted by other groups or in this case participation numbers of the sporting bodies? Perhaps that’s in the full report.
Roy Morgan is a reputable organisation and I trust your methodology and analysis, however I do think there may be a flaw with respect to rugby. This is a national survey, rugby is not a national sport. It is only really played with decent numbers in two states (NSW and Qld). That’s just over the 50% of the Australian population, however even in these states it’s not universally played, its confined to a few pockets.
You’ve said that your survey follows the ABS demographic stats and I’m certain that these rugby ‘heartlands would have been represented in the numbers, but out of the 14,000 in your survey these numbers would be be small for the rugby heartlands. If the numbers are small then the any changes are exaggerated when scaled up/extrapolated. The 2001 number may have been an over representing whilst the 2016 numbers an under representing the ‘true figures’.
I may be wrong in my analysis, but all I can say is that a fall this great is not reflective of what is happening out there in the community.
Roy Morgan's rugby participation numbers are fake news
“For everyone to be happy with the times, the matches would have to start at 7:35am in SA.’
I don’t understand. Is that right Michael? Do you mean 7:35pm in Australia?
7:35am in SA is 3:35pm in Sydney.
Better scheduling can save Super Rugby
I don’t think we will leave SA it’s just posturing to get a better deal. Last time SA threatened to go to Europe to improve their bargaining position when negotiating with us and NZ.
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If the the stands are empty the ARU will say see they made the right choice.
South Sydney didn’t get reinstated into the NRL because they stayed at home. They made their presence and anger felt on every occasion they could.
The quickest way for the Force to be forgotten is by being out of sight.
The sea of blue protest at WA rugby HQ was impressive. Likewise the filled hill at the NRC.
It is no doubt draining on Force fans but the protests need to continue.
Don’t give detractors ammunition.
Keep up the good fight.
Hodgo’s right Force fans, make your statement at the Test, not at home