Keeping international talent away from Origin

Can you not see that it doesn’t appear that money is the primary motivation when players are deciding what country to represent? Australian born and bred players representing Australia on mass... shock/horror. What’s wrong about this and how can money even be seen to be a factor? Pay everyone equally and play international RL more often- can I suggest that the squads of 24 in this 4 nations tournament would remain exactly the same under such conditions.

9 Nov 2014
International rugby league is far from dead

Your opening is comical. Apparently I’m wrong in so many ways but what have I said that’s wrong? You’ve not identified a thing. I supposedly ask an ‘awful lot of questions’ too. By my count from my previous post it was six, and you didn’t even have to think about three of them, I gave you the answers. You then accuse me of not addressing your questions, which is odd because you’ve breezed over the points I’ve raised which are completely relevant to the topic at hand while you go off on your own tangent. This all makes debating with you a pointless exercise and any ‘difficulties’ you’re struggling with in engaging in this discussion with me stem from your inability to string together a logical argument that adequately addresses what’s put before you. Let me try and address the most recent dogs breakfast you’ve served up; How you can’t see the relevant link that exists between the two predominant football codes in this country is completely beyond me. I can’t help you any more with that. But please point out to me where I’ve said that international rugby league doesn’t exist and if it does it should be shut down? That’s another question I’ll give you the answer to- you won’t find a quote from me along those lines anywhere. Absolutely there’s a place for international rugby league. Where we differ is the belief in what it can be and its importance to the games ongoing growth and survival. Given rugby league in this country has grown and survived during a period where the international scene has well and truly taken a back seat- the reality of the situation backs up my beliefs on this front. Furthermore, given the unprecedented growth and survival of a rival code with next to no international presence- the belief that “international rugby league is vital for the general health and well-being of the NRL” is an utterly flawed conviction. Does that mean rugby league shouldn’t take advantage of its small international footprint? NO! But to pin the hopes and dreams of the future on the game on its international presence is A- absurd and B- a fruitless pursuit given the limited impact that can realistically occur during our lifetime. You have not the slightest inkling into what English fans and media on mass are desperate for. Once again, like almost all of your contributions- it’s pure speculation on your behalf. Given your lack of insight into what young Australian’s dream of, your preaching’s are nothing but things thought up in your head. Furthermore, your belief that an Ashes’ tour is going to be some sort of saving grace for the international game provides us with an insight into just what planet you’re operating on (one that’s far away from the rest of us). Now again, please point out where I’ve suggested that losing names like SBW, Burgess, Folau, Hunt etc has no impact on the game? Please stop putting words into my mouth and save your ridiculous rhetorical questions that have no relevance to anything I’ve said. What I suggest is the reason for these departures isn’t solely down to rugby unions broader international presence. Even if they are, it doesn’t matter. As I’ve said, if players are chasing international appeal, that’s a competitive advantage rugby union is always going to have over rugby league. You should learn to live with that. Things like ‘wear and tear’ and money are just as relevant issues for rugby football players mapping out a professional career. Particularly the latter and given the NRL’s influence on wages, I’d suggest we’re going to have a much better chance of retaining talent if this can become a competitive advantage over other codes as opposed to trying to push an international game that has limited reach and appeal at this time, especially when compared to rugby union. Do you also not find it odd that two of the bigger code hoppers from rugby league in recent history have gone to the AFL? A code that has no international game. It’s kind of another piece of evidence that shoots down your ludicrous suggestion that the codes elite are simply driven by international aspirations. Your suggestion that my belief that playing and promoting international rugby league is your ‘dribble’ is a perfect example of you putting words into my mouth. Grow up and stop doing it. You trying to draw a comparison between playing in the back-row in the NRL vs playing in the centres in northern hemisphere rugby in terms of the toll it takes on one’s body is yet another demonstration of your lack of insight in these matters. I’m not saying playing rugby will be a walk in the park, but the fact that Burgess believes his body wouldn’t last another 3 years in the NRL says a lot about his perception of the differences in workload. It also says a lot about his motives for leaving the NRL.

9 Nov 2014
International rugby league is far from dead

Are you for real!? Yes Nerval, AFL players don’t have other options available to them at the elite level. Does the fact that they have no international scene weaken their position or inhibit the growth of the game in the Australian marketplace at any level? No. Has rugby league’s proximity to rugby union stopped the games growth in Australia? No. Has rugby league’s poor leveraging or commitment to the international game stopped its growth in Australia? No. Now do you care to acknowledge these points? I guess not because it makes your suggestion that international rugby league is vital to the health and well-being of the NRL nothing but a throwaway line. I can’t speak for the kids of England but kids in Australia’s rugby league heartlands want nothing more but to play for the club they support and go on to represent their state in what is one of the most prestigious and hyped sporting events on the Australian sporting calendar. I grew up in the 80’s in a predominately union household and that’s all I wanted. I’m now a high school hpe teacher and I find that these dreams are still pretty similar amongst most boys these days. Coming back to AFL again, their non-existent international landscape hasn’t hindered their ability to attract youngsters (including those from rugby league states) to their code. Furthermore, rugby hasn’t exactly gone from strength to strength in Australia because of their international scene that is the most developed of the 3 traditional football codes. So your statement about what young Australian’s want can also be put in the throwaway line basket. To suggest money doesn’t come into the decision making process when a professional athlete is deciding on a career path is mind boggling. One thing we do know is that Bath paid $1m to the Rabbits to get Burgess released so pulling money together isn’t exactly an issue for this particular Premiership club. Another thing that is a known is the fact that Burgess has discussed the toll the rigors of the toughest rugby football competition in the world take on his body. Of course this is another influencing factor in his decision. What professional player wouldn’t think about the longevity of their career? Bud, you can spell out why you believe international rugby league is so important to the game here in Australia until Sonny Bill wins the world heavy weight boxing title. It doesn’t mean I’m going to buy into your illogical arguments that are nothing but dead ends at every turn.

8 Nov 2014
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