So that is one minute of my life wasted reading arrogant condescending drivel.

If Hooper was a bad Captain he wouldnt have gone in to defend his player….

The idea he should have been yellow carded is absurd

Ban them for life? That is absurd, why not implementa a totalitarian dictstorship whiel you are at it.

No employer can force an employee to sign a pay reduction, that is illegal.

Like SA did RA should have offered players to either accept the pay reduction or cancel their contracts.

The idea that People here are morally outraged because players dont like a 60% pay cut, from an organisation that admits it is almost broke, is getting a 20 million loan from the World governing body, and doesnt have a broadcast contract for next year…. Is absurd.

Players have a right to accept or reject a change in contract.

It has nothing to do with being a team player or repsecting the jersey.

In SA 4 or 5 players from each Super Team chose this option, which also saves SA money.

Pretty poor “article” simply copying the words and facts from the the RA website article and adding a little opinion

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/05/22/super-rugby-lucas-rodda-hockings-update

Japanese sides are signing players, they SIGNED Malcom Marx last week.

SA offerred players a pay cut or cancelled contract if they wished.

Like any employee they are perfectly entitled to reject a pay cut when they have signed for a fixed amount for a set time.

Amazing the flak they have copped for simply standing up for their rights.

Lay off the conspiracy theories.

You think George Smith want RA destroyed? Stirling Mortlock? Nathan Sharpe? Laughable.

RA under Castle bet on a bidding war for pay tv rights and they bet wrong.

Their long term broadcaster walked away after their offer was rejected… And Optus, who dont have their own doméstic sport production teams or equipment, admitted they were never interested.

This means that at the moment there will be NO RUGBY on televisión in 2021 apart from if a doméstic FTA broadcaster wants to pay all the production costs for a test match, costs shared with Fox before hand.

Terrible maangement by RA. SA and NZ had broadcasting signed by the end of 2019.

Most media experts say 30 to 40 million was the initial Fox bid…

Good comments.

Yes I have only see the anti-Fox brigade say the initial offer by Fox was less than 30 million. In different reports media experts say 30 or 40 Aus.

The other issue is that Optus have no doméstic sports production equipment or person in Australia. The likelihood of them deciding to show rugby and buying or hiring equipment just for rugby is quite low.

And their CEO said the other week that Optus were never interested in rugby…

SA and NZ had Broadcast deal signed off by the end of 2019.. What happened in Aus seems to be another RA failure

Optus said they were never interested and they also dont have any sport telecasting equipment of their own.

Most media commentators have said the initial Fox bid was around 30 million a year, down from 50 but more than 20…

The other issue about broadcasting is that if RA and Castle wanted to negotiate, fine, but both NZ and SA had their contracts signed and sealed by the end of 2019.

In the RA anual report hidden in the inflated corporate spending is money paid to two media consultants regarding the new Broadcast contract.

At the end of the day RAs decisión back fired… Corona of not, Optus were not interested

Argentina are not interested in a second SR side as things stand.They were interested until the end of last year but were told no. Now have a second pro doméstic side in the Zeibos in the new South Américan pro League, the SALR. They had initially rejected participating Trying to get a team in the Currie Cup, but SA said no, despite the Argie side winning the Currie Cup B división in 2019.So Argentina asked to participate in the SALR. The majority of the Paraguayan team in the SALR are also imported Argentinians and a few Argies are in the other franchises for Chile, Brazil, Uruguay and Colombia.The plans are for a second Argie side in the SALR and to have that League as a back up in case Super Rugby falls apart.

Argentina are not interested as things stand.

They were interested until the end of last year but were told no. Now have a second pro doméstic side in the Zeibos in the new South Américan pro League, the SALR. They had initially rejected participating Trying to get a team in the Currie Cup, but SA said no, despite the Argie side winning the Currie Cup B división in 2019.

So Argentina asked to participate in the SALR. The majority of the Paraguayan team in the SALR are also imported Argentinians and a few Argies are in the other franchises for Chile, Brazil, Uruguay and Colombia.

The plans are for a second Argie side in the SALR and to have that League as a back up in case Super Rugby falls apart.

Completely agree with all said in the article…

And at the end of the day.. It is the fault of the Useless fu%#s at World Rugby.

They have played 7s since the 70s, you said they had never played before

Twiggy may be a very génerous guy but you dont need to lie, overstating it..

Bill Gates has given away more than 27 billion dolares… And Twiggy isnt yet in the World’s Top 20 philanthropists.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/the-20-most-generous-people-in-the-world-a6757046.html%3famp

Rubbish, Ireland have had a 7s team since the 1970s, and they beat NZ, Aus and Scotland to reach the final of the International 7s in 1973.

I saw them at the Benidorm Sevens in 2005 with a few test players in their side.

They didnt prioritise 7s tíl recently, with the Best players playing XVs for the provinces and players left over selected for the Irish 7s team from club rugby and playing on the European 7s circuit.

Since 2014 they have had a professional 7s program under ex Sydney Uní and Aus Under 21 Coach and Brumbies and Reds Assistsnt Coach, Anthony Eddy.

Rubbish article based on isolated examples of 5 players.. Hooper, 2 leaguies Who were failures, Schalk Brits Who never became a Springbok regular, and Nowell Who has so far only played wing.

Would anyone say any of these players are the Best in the World at their position? No..

The article also ignores the different skillsets in different positions.

With professionalism players have got stronger and Fitter but you Can Still tell the position of 80 to 90 % of players in a pro team Just by looking at them. Centres and 6s or 7s are perhaps the two positions most physically similar, but the skills needed for Those positions are very different.

Until scrums and lineouts go there wont be a change in the bodyshapes of the tight 5.

World Rugby have responded regarding this.

“World Rugby notes the announcement that Jarryd Hayne wishes to pursue new sporting challenges with the Fiji Rugby Sevens team and has moved to address speculation regarding the player’s availability under Regulation 21 to play Sevens,” a statement read on Monday.

“World Rugby is committed to the highest-possible anti-doping standards. The WADA-compliant World Rugby Regulation 21 mirrors the requirements of the World Anti-Doping Code and the WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations.

“It does not require a player to be included in a testing pool for a defined period of time prior to selection if they are being selected for international competition for the first time. This position is entirely consistent with World Rugby’s approach to other cross-over athletes, including other ex-NFL athletes coming into rugby.

“Therefore, Hayne would be eligible for the London round of the World Rugby Sevens Series subject to all other regulatory and registration matters being met.

“He would also be immediately included in World Rugby’s pre-Rio 2016 risk-based testing programme, which since January 2016 has included a comprehensive programme of targeted in and out of competition blood and urine testing on players likely to compete in Rio.

“The pre-Games programme also includes regular additional screening for substances such as ESAs and human growth hormone, and both steroidal and haematological athlete biological profiling.”

It may be about tying him into fiji for XVs …

Even if he doesnt make the Olympics playing a tourney for Fiji in 7s also ties him into Fiji for XVs …

Playing one tournament in 7s for fiji locks him into representing Fiji for life .. in 7s and Xvs ..

wrong. unfortunately some people wanting publicity didnt read the rules. World Rugby has clarified.

“World Rugby notes the announcement that Jarryd Hayne wishes to pursue new sporting challenges with the Fiji Rugby Sevens team and has moved to address speculation regarding the player’s availability under Regulation 21 to play Sevens,” a statement read on Monday.

“World Rugby is committed to the highest-possible anti-doping standards. The WADA-compliant World Rugby Regulation 21 mirrors the requirements of the World Anti-Doping Code and the WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations.

“It does not require a player to be included in a testing pool for a defined period of time prior to selection if they are being selected for international competition for the first time. This position is entirely consistent with World Rugby’s approach to other cross-over athletes, including other ex-NFL athletes coming into rugby.

“Therefore, Hayne would be eligible for the London round of the World Rugby Sevens Series subject to all other regulatory and registration matters being met.

“He would also be immediately included in World Rugby’s pre-Rio 2016 risk-based testing programme, which since January 2016 has included a comprehensive programme of targeted in and out of competition blood and urine testing on players likely to compete in Rio.

“The pre-Games programme also includes regular additional screening for substances such as ESAs and human growth hormone, and both steroidal and haematological athlete biological profiling.”

The rule is very wordy and complicated and is here

http://www.worldrugby.org/wr-resources/WorldRugbyDIR/Handbook/English/pubData/source/files/Regulation_208.pdf

The base of it is that while someone who has previously played XVs may change their rugby nationality via 7s, anyone who has played a world series event in the year before an olympics, or a regional 7s olympic qualifier, or the olympics itself, is tied to that team for life.

The playing 4 legs issue was related to XVs elegibility … with the Olympics in 2016 and the World CUp in 2015 World Rugby were worried that countries may try to nationalise players who had already played for another union (for example a player who plays 15s at prop) by putting him on the field for 1 minute in a sevens tourament).

They therefore decided that while players who have played for a national union in sevens may change 7s nationality after a 3 year stand down period (as long as they hadnt played in an olympics or olympic qualifer), to change their XVs eligibility they had to play at least 4 Olympic events.

“The International Olympic Committee has a passport rule and the IRB changed its eligibility regulation to reflect that, but only for Sevens tournaments, which were regarded as Olympic events – there are nine between the beginning of next month and the end of May. It said that, in respect of the Rio Games, there had to be a stand-down period of at least 18 months before a player could appear for a new country and that he could not represent that nation in any other form of the game until he had appeared in an Olympic event.

The IRB set up a regulations panel to look at Olympic eligibility and on Thursday it ruled that a player, subject to the passport condition, had to appear in at least four Olympic events before his or her nationality change was complete. That would mean Armitage, who was last week named in a 74-strong France training squad, would need to appear in four of the Sevens World Series events this season to qualify for Les Bleus at 15-a-side level.”

There is also an additional rule

“8.12 Once the Player has represented the Union of which he is a national, in
an Olympic Event, he shall thereafter be tied to that Union for all forms of
the Game and in all events”

In other words, once you have played a regional Olympic qualifier or World Series Event the year before an olympics (the top 4 teams in the world series get automatic olympic qualification so they are considered Olympics events), you are tied to that team for life.

The IOC does have some of its own rules, for example anyone competing must have the passport of the country they are representing, and must not have competed for a different country in international competition for at least 3 years.

However, international sporting federations with sports in the Olympics can also have their own rules in addition to the two rules stated above.

For these Olympics World Rugby have allowed players to swap international allegiance, provided they had not played for their original country for 3 years. However, this dispensation was simply because the rules were not defined until 2013, and because of the possiblity of legal problems because of the disparity between World Rugby and IOC rules, and of a player being able to claim he played 7s or XVs for another country without knowing that would affect his ability to play rugby in the Olympics.

World Rugby have said that for following Olympicsthe ability to change countries will not apply.

Hayne is locked into Fiji forever in rugby if he plays for them in the London leg of the World Series (or the Olympics or any other interantional sevens tournament for fiji) …

Rugby currently only allows you to represent one country for life … and if you play in the national team, national B team, or national 7s team of a country you can never represent another country.

World Rugby did allow people who had played 7s or 15s for one country to qualify for another country for this Olympics (as in the case of the Samoan fullback at the last RWC who had previously played for NZ 7s), however this dispensation is only for this Olympics.

The reasoning behind the dispensation for this Olympics is that rugby hadnt been an Olympic sport in recent times, Olympic qualification rules do allow people to change countries between Olympics. and Olympic rugby representation criteria were not defined until around 2013 … with the idea that it wasnt fair to limit someones Olympic participation for rugby if the rules had not even been defined when they player for another country.

The international representation criteria for rugby are being born in a country, 3 years residency in a country, or a parent or grandparent from a country. Qualification rules for the Olympics are having a passport of a country you wish to compete for and a 3 year standown period from competing for any other country (the Olympics does allow people to compete for as many different countries as they wish, as long as they have a 3 year standown period before the Olympics from competing for their former country.

So World rugby decided to allow 7s players to qualify for a new country, as long as they had not played for their former country for 3 years. In the interests of not having a player play for one country in 7s and another in XVs, they decided that changing allegiance via 7s would also change XVs allegiance.

After this Olympics rugby players will not be able to change interantional allegiance via 7s .. i.e. it is again one country for life

Yep, locked into Fiji forever if he plays in London …

Rugby currently only allows you to represent one country for life … and if you play in the national team, national B team, or national 7s team of a country you can never represent another country.

World Rugby did allow people who had played 7s or 15s for one country to qualify for another country for this Olympics (as in the case of the Samoan fullback at the last RWC who had previously played for NZ 7s), however this dispensation is only for this Olympics.

The reasoning behind the dispensation for this Olympics is that rugby hadnt been an Olympic sport in recent times, Olympic qualification rules do allow people to change countries between Olympics. and Olympic rugby representation criteria were not defined until around 2013 …

The international representation criteria for rugby are being born in a country, 3 years residency in a country, or a parent or grandparent from a country. Qualification rules for the Olympics are having a passport of a country you wish to compete for and a 3 year standown period from competing for any other country (the Olympics does allow people to compete for as many different countries as they wish, as long as they have a 3 year standown period before the Olympics from competing for their former country.

So World rugby decided to allow 7s players to qualify for a new country, as long as they had not played for their former country for 3 years. In the interests of not having a player play for one country in 7s and another in XVs, they decided that changing allegiance via 7s would also change XVs allegiance.

After this Olympics rugby players will not be able to change interantional allegiance via 7s .. i.e. it is again one country for life

I think you are a bit confused CUW. The IOC is essentially an umbrella body that brings together various world sporting federations, WADA is a “child” of the IOC, and it is up to individual sporting federations to decide which athletes are eligible or not eligible to compete in their sport, although the Olympics has some extra rules, for example that competitors must have a passport from the country they wish to compete for.

The establishment of WADA, the World Anti Doping Agency, was led by the IOC and half its funding still comes from the IOC. The IOC, IAAF, World Rugby and other bodies make decisions regarding doping based on reccomendations and testing from WADA.Countries and sporting federations also have their own testing based on WADA rules. World Rugby strictly follows WADA rules, and has done for over a decade precisely so that rugby is compliant with Olympic drug testing rules, so rugby could be an Olympic sport again.

The country controversey about Kenya and Russia isnt about the IOC .. its about WADA. WADA declared that the testing facillities were non compliant, in other words they had been covering up positive tests. This resulted in the current IAAF ban on Russia, and a possible ban on Kenya, are based on reccomendations from WADA. In the coming months WADA will be making new reccomnedations and based on these the IAAF will decide if those national federations can compete in their sport.

What does this mean in the Hayne case? If World Rugby is strictly applying WADA rules there is no issue for the IOC.

For the IOC to take any action against Hayne, it would require a reccomendation from WADA to World Rugby, and World Rugby communicating to the IOC that Hayne should not be allowed to complete. Considering the text of the World Rugby press release that isnt going to happen, because as far as World Rugby is concerned WADA rules are being followed.

“World Rugby notes the announcement that Jarryd Hayne wishes to pursue new sporting challenges with the Fiji Rugby Sevens team and has moved to address speculation regarding the player’s availability under Regulation 21 to play Sevens,” a statement read on Monday.”

“World Rugby is committed to the highest-possible anti-doping standards. The WADA-compliant World Rugby Regulation 21 mirrors the requirements of the World Anti-Doping Code and the WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations.

“It does not require a player to be included in a testing pool for a defined period of time prior to selection if they are being selected for international competition for the first time. This position is entirely consistent with World Rugby’s approach to other cross-over athletes, including other ex-NFL athletes coming into rugby.

“Therefore, Hayne would be eligible for the London round of the World Rugby Sevens Series subject to all other regulatory and registration matters being met.

“He would also be immediately included in World Rugby’s pre-Rio 2016 risk-based testing programme, which since January 2016 has included a comprehensive programme of targeted in and out of competition blood and urine testing on players likely to compete in Rio.”

“The pre-Games programme also includes regular additional screening for substances such as ESAs and human growth hormone, and both steroidal and haematological athlete biological profiling.”

So he can play in London, and as far as World Rugby are concerned, and the implication when it talks about testing of athletes likely to compete in Rio is that if he plays 7s in London, for World Rugby that makes him eligible for Rio.

Regarding drug testing, World Rugby says it follows WADA rules (which are also the Olympic rules) so it like there is no issue there.

The only additional requirement to normal World Rugby7s or XVs international qualification rules is that for a player to play in Rio is that they must have a passport of the country they are representing, and apparently Hayne has a Fijian passport.