Issue more yellow cards, sooner

"While it was probably a line ball decision, it was decisive and set the tone for the game and the game benefitted from it." I'd have thought a yellow card call, considering how significant it could be, should be more clear than a line ball call. Decisive is only good if you're right - making a call for the sake of making a call isn't a good thing. I'd also argue that his 'decisive call' didn't do anything to stop infringements later on - there may have been no more head highs, but both teams were consistently offside, both teams committed fairly blatant tackles without the ball on their own trylines and there were a fair few other marginal calls missed - eg Al Baxter grabbing hold of Kaino off the ball after Ellis quick tap (and I'm sure there's a few AB infringements I've missed before anyone accuses me of only seeing one side cheating).

Sorry Left Arm I dont rest with you! I thought he did an average job and wont get too many points from Andre Watson who is in charge of the senior SA refs. As you stated he played it like it was a S14 game ie entertainment and not too serious. Test matches are not S14 and he will be a different ref next test he adjudicates. He is a good and smart ref but should not have been given this level of game yet. I think, in time he will become one of the best in the world.

Gentlemen, Last Saturdya evening we saw a great performance by the Referee in a great game of Test match rugby. He cleaned up the breakdown by quickly giving free kicks to players not rolling away or generally trying to slow the opposition ball. More importantly, he did it from the kick off and throughout the game. Most importantly, he sent a clear message to everyone that he was in charge with the Yellow card for Brad Thorn. While it was probably a line ball decision, it was decisive and set the tone for the game and the game benefitted from it. I rest my case!!

LeftArmSpinner - re Uni v Eastwood based on what you are both saying it sounds like it was a tough day at the office for the ref. I am not amazed that players today will take a penalty as they can set up their defences if they tap and go or take the 3 points versus 5-7. This can only be resolved with harsher penalties for professional fouls and therefore QED more yellow cards. Cant see any other way around it. Penalty tries is not the answer in my book.

When a ball comes out slow from an attacking ruck within the 22, and the tackled player was supported (i.e.) not isolated then it is cynical ball killing by the defense to stop a try. It may be difficult to identify the exact culprit but you know the team that did it. I say ALL cynical cheating (call a spade a spade) should be an automatiic yellow card, with no referee discretion. Sure in a small number of cases the wrong decision is made but who cares? The upside is attacking teams get a fair chance of scoring a try. Games get decided by better rugby play not better rugby cheating. Sure the coaches and players will moan about keeping players on the field etc. Guess what that is up to them to not CHEAT. If this was enforced the players and coaches would soon learn and not so readily cheat and thus opening up the game.

Roger, if the forwards fan out, the opposition will drive thro the ruck over the gain line, and then the defensive line is off side under the new laws and have to go through the gate to defend the ruck/maul area. Sledge, It is exactly your mind set that i was referring to. I shared your view but I know believe that It needs to change. You don't destroy the contest. Sure it will test the resolve of the 14 man team. They will have to adopt a different strategy while the 15 man team also has to make the most of the advantage. The latest S14 final is a case in point. The Tahs failed to take advantage of 15 on 14. The Crusaders adapted their game while a man down and came back stronger once Thorn returned. That the game takes a turn is a good thing. Immediate yellow cards are given for foul play, mostly harmless handbags at 2 metres. Why not at the breakdown where defenders are stopping the scoring of tries and the continuity of running rugby that makes the game more emjoyable to play and watch!!!! Stillmissit, in the Eastwood V Uni game, the ref did issue yellows in the first half to one Eastwood and one Uni player for cynical play. But the Woodies were under so much pressure from Uni, that they had no choice: give away the penalty or have Uni score the try.

Sledgeandhammer didnt see the game but if the referee had sent a couple to the bin in the first 15 mins there would have been time for either side to win the game. Letting professional fouls go almost unpunished early is setting the teams on a last 15 min collision course. It seems your ref was trying to establish some control too late in the game. An assumption of course but a good chance of being correct. It seems that nobody would have been happy with the outcome of that game. Uni would have the thought that without the ref they could have lost and Eastwood would see the opposite outcome. Not great for anyone but better for Uni. LeftArmSpinner has this one absolutely correct.

completely against this one - firstly as soon as you send a player off the field you destroy the contest. Secondly ELVs or no ELVs the breakdown remains a subjective area and it's not always obvious who is to blame. The idea that some players are the 'bad guys' and deserve to be punished is simplistic and can lead to the disaster we saw in Sydney last weekend when Eastwood were refereed off the park against uni.

Stillmissit: I agree with you, the maul seems to be underutilised in today's game. We are seeing the reemergence of the pick and drive, and even the drive of 2 or 3 players in a 'mini-maul' bit always with the intention of hitting the deck 2-3m past the gain line. I don't see why the players don't try and keep this up and create a mini rolling maul (like the good 'ol days) I see this as the next development to breaking the League style defeneses that are so popular today. In fact I'll email Robbie right now and let him know... ;)

I am a bit reluctant about the quick draw on yellow cards - I see the merit but ... I have always liked the even contest 15 vs 15. However what about a 5 min bin or a 10 or 15 metre distance penalty coupled with the free kick (quick tap or scrum) or even a combination of both?

Roger - I suggest that the team not commiting to the ruck in their own 22 would be commiting suicide if they didnt commit to the ruck all 8 forwards picking and going at your line demands attention and also they only need to pick it up and maul it across the line at speed to score. Always assume that if one coach uses a tactic the opposing coach or players will use that change to find an advantage or weakness in it. Flowing rugby can only occur in our current game from fast, skillful, forward play and quick ball creating space before the defensive line is set. Of course you will always get a Larkham or a Giteau making a break through a tight defence but this is the exception.

The game is fully professional and yet the refs are treating it like a private school where the thoughts seem to be "We know you are all gentlemen" as opposed to the players who use the professional foul immediately anyone is within striking distance of the try line. I agree with LeftArmSpinner we need to penalise professional fouls with yellow cards earlier in the game. It is too easy to set the stage wrongly in rugby and then trying to correct it and get the game to flow becomes very hard. The players only want consistency but we need to understand that they will push the envelope as far as it will go. If we want to get the most out of the ELV's then the ref's need to be firmer and agree on a set of sub rules that decides how they will manage the game and this includes professional fouls in the ruck and collapsing the scrum on the blind side of the ref. Both of these are a blight on the game and must be stopped. I would give the assistant ref a small set of binoculars to watch the blind side of the scrum if they are too far away to see. May look odd but it would stop this pox on scrummaging.

The great advantage that rucking allowed for the game was that it encouraged defenders to commit to the rucks to steal the ball or at least slow it down, but also allowed the attacking team to ruck players off the ball to feed attacking play. If we issue yellow cards early on (which I agree with you is the only way we can get quick ball at the moment), a smart coach is simply going to tell his players to fan out in defence and not committ to rucks. This will result in a rugby league type defensive line and will cramp flowing footy. So we are left with how to encourage the battle for possession and also allow flowing football...I am stumped...any suggestions? If players cant ruck does that mean they will have to drag attacking players on the wrong side of the ball back away from the rucks...imagine a player being dragged out by head or legs (see Meads v Catchpole) when a team wants quick ball. Perhaps we need a crazy idea like putting the game on astro turf (already happening in UK due to weather), banning studs, giving players rubber shoes and then bringing back rucking! Sure the rucking wont be as effective, but the incentive to battle possession will be there, and at least the onus of removing players from the ruck area will be taken out of the hands of the refs and given to players. Whilst this could probably work at senior level, I am not sure how park and jnr rugby would survive and running on soggy fields in joggers would be horrible.