The NRL needs a new Knockout Cup

By code 13 / Roar Guru

In the 1970s and ’80s, the preseason and midweek rugby league knockout cups were a terrific showcase of sudden death football, and a perfect companion to the overall NSWRL competition. Clubs from reserve grade, country New South Wales, Queensland, interstate and overseas went up against the best professional sides for glory.

While tournaments such as the UK’s Challenge Cup proudly maintain this kind of tradition, the concept in Australia was unfortunately lost amidst the dramatic changes of the 90s. That said, a knockout championship may in fact be the solution to the impact that State of Origin has upon the NRL club competition.

In order to accommodate this tournament, simple changes would need to be made to the overall season structure.

Firstly, the NRL competition would be restructured so that each NRL team would have 11 home games, 11 away games and 1 neutral venue game (with revenue shared between the two competing teams for that game). That would mean 23 games for each team, one less than currently.

For a 16-team competition, this would equate to 184 games a season. For 18 teams it would mean 207 games a season,
while 20 teams would require 230 games.

The season would therefore run over 27 weeks – from the first week of March through to the first week in September. This means there would be 4 bye weeks where the late stages of the Knockout Cup would be run – coinciding with the mid-season representative schedule.

Round 1- Pre-Season Tournament

The current NRL trials would be modified slightly to become a preliminary qualifying tournament for the NRL Knockout Championship.

Teams involved would be the NRL clubs (16-20) plus the winners of various regional competitions from the previous year such as the Affiliated States Championship, National Zonal Competition, PNG NRL, CRL, QRL etc. These other teams would take up approximately 8-12 positions in the qualifying tournament, creating a preliminary group of anywhere from 24-32 teams.

In the Qualifying Tournament each team would play three matches. The team at the top of the table after these rounds would be the Pre-Season Cup winner, awarded $100,000.

The top 16 teams from this preseason tournament would then qualify for the mid-season knock-out competition. Any NRL club that fails to qualify is awarded a rest week (with no competition points) for those rounds.

Mid-Season Tournament

All gate takings from the mid-season tournament would be fairly redistributed to every NRL club. That said, there would also be additional prize money according to each round of the Knockout Cup reached. Teams would be seeded based on the pre-season ladder position, with matches played at the higher team’s preferred venue, providing it met the minimum capacity for that round.

Round 2 – Group of 16
Friday, Saturday – 1v16, 2v15, 3v14, 4v13, 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 9v8
Sunday – State of Origin I
Winners re-ranked 1-8. NRL winners get 1 premiership point. Losers eliminated.

Round 3 – Quarter Finals
Friday, Saturday – 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5
Sunday – State of Origin II
Winners re-ranked 1-4. NRL winners get 1 more premiership point. Losers eliminated.

Round 4 – Semi Finals
Friday – 1v4, 2v3 (minimum 30,000 seat stadiums)
Saturday – New Zealand vs Pacific All Stars
Sunday – State of Origin III
Winners through to final. NRL winners get 1 more premiership point. Losers eliminated.

Round 5 – Cup Final
Friday – Knockout Cup Final (minimum 50,000 seat stadium)
Saturday – Pacific Cup internationals
Sunday – Australia vs New Zealand
Knockout Cup winner awarded $1,000,000. If an NRL team is the winner, it gets 1 more premiership point.

As each game is a knockout game, teams will provide as many of their best players as possible in order to gain both premiership points and a financial windfall. Therefore the NRL competition doesn’t take a backseat to the representative matches, and fans remain actively engaged.

Further, any team that is knocked out of the cup, while they don’t receive points for a bye, would get an additional rest period in order to recuperate during the representative season.

In this manner, by the time the tournament is finished, every team in the competition regardless of ladder position will be in a fully competitive state for the subsequent 8-10 week run to the finals.

The Crowd Says:

2011-06-06T07:59:52+00:00

jamesb

Guest


heres something that Gus Gould suggested over the weekend http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/grand-plan-to-beat-burnout-20110604-1fm41.html i like the idea of a mid season knockout comp playing at the same time as SOO, but not sold of the finals format.

AUTHOR

2011-05-27T10:49:43+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


"24 rounds over 26 weeks plus all the rep games and many weeks of playoffs…waaay too much." Um... that's what we have now... Actually that said I've had a thought about this and come up with a better format: 12 teams qualify from the pre-season qualifiers: Origin Week 1 - 5v12, 6v11, 7v10, 8v9 - winners ranked A,B,C,D (no points for winning in this round) Origin Week 2 - 1 v D, 2 v C, 3 v B, 4 v A - winner ranked AA,BB,CC,DD (1 pt for a win) Origin Week 3 - AA v DD, BB v CC (1 pt for a win) International Week 4 - Cup Final (1 pt for a win) By eliminating 8 teams from week 1 of the cup format, that's 8 teams playing 1 less game a season than what I originally suggested. These 11 games effectively replace the current 19 played during this period.

2011-05-27T09:49:15+00:00

turbodewd

Guest


There are already too many games per season in the NRL. This suggestion will never get off the ground. 24 rounds over 26 weeks plus all the rep games and many weeks of playoffs...waaay too much. State of Origin proves that quality trumps quantity by miles. The value generated by the SofO is awesome.

AUTHOR

2011-05-24T08:57:32+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


Whether or not it's played over 4 consecutive weeks or with breaks isn't really the issue. I'm sure clubs would actually prefer such a tournament to be spaced out more (i.e. as per when the Origin rounds currently are) and there's no reason why it can't be - as this is how the Knockout Cups in England are actually structured over the course of an entire season. There's no mandate that such a cup has to be played within a confined consecutive period. The reason why they spread out Origin as such is that they want to gain maximum media exposure - however this is why we're even having this discussion - because that Origin exposure takes away from the NRL games played during that time. Stand alone origin matches on weekends with no other games are a mistake. It's just opening the gates for other sports and the suggestion of pacific island internationals as a substitute simply won't attract the Australian public's interest in the same numbers that the NRL does. Therefore a version of the NRL competition needs to continue during this time - but it needs some additional attraction so it's not completely overshadowed by State of Origin. Hence the knockout cup format. But if it has no bearing on the overall ladder, clubs won't put in genuine efforts and will field second string teams - regardless of the prize money - hence why it should be played for partial points (not full points though because of all the teams that don't qualify). As every game is do-or-die there is every incentive for fans to show up. Under this system there are no points for having a bye - you only get points if you win games, so staying alive is everything. A team that's struggling on the overall ladder but can make it through the knockout system can help rebuild their season. It could even be that only the cup finalists get points - but there needs to be something to tie it back into the overall NRL competition so it's not just seen as a sideshow and for both all the clubs and all the fans to take it seriously. I can see that winning the Knockout Cup, the Minor Premiership and the Grand Final as being the big 3 crowns for all teams to aim for. As for fancy teams (i.e. teams qualifying from outside the NRL) - well if they make it past the pre-season qualifiers, they would have already proven that they have what it takes to match it with the NRL teams, so I see no reason why not to include them. They were included in the majority of previous NSWRL cup competitions. And if they don't make the cut, then it's non issue anyhow.

AUTHOR

2011-05-24T08:38:03+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


Well I think it might become difficult to stage a competition where every single team in the country plays a match even if you have a fully seeded tournament with the NRL teams only entering just before the finals - simply due to our country's expanse and the cost involved. That said think about it this way - with 8 to 12 non NRL teams involved you could have: * PNG top club * Fiji top club * New Zealand top region * QRL top club * NSWRL top club * Top country/regional teams * Affiliated States top club etc By winning last year's respective tournaments, you immediately have the best teams of each comp qualifying already. The previous year's competitions becomes that filtering process. For example seeing the Warriors take on the NZ's best regional team every pre-season would have a lot of value to it.

2011-05-23T12:41:44+00:00

Sportz

Guest


I clicked on this link thinking there was somebody who agreed with me. But although I certainly agree with the idea of a knockout comp, I think your idea is just too wacky!!! It's simple really..... Knock the NRL home & away season back to 22 full rounds. None of these silly rounds where half the teams have a bye or something. Just 22 complete rounds. Make the State of Origin games stand-alone fixtures with no NRL matches being played on those weeks. No Origin players would have to be stood down from any NRL game. Instead, play the knockout cup on those weeks, but only using NRL teams. None of those other fancy teams you mentioned. Play the first round of the knockout cup in the pre-season to decide your 8 quarter finalists. Then play those quarter finals in the same week as Origin 1, then the semi finals in the same week as Origin 2, and then the final in the same week as Origin 3. Of course Origin players wouldn't be playing in these games and there would be no real stipulation that you HAVE to play your best available team. But there would hopefully be a big prizemoney incentive for the teams to take it as seriously as possible. Perhaps you could even have the teams playing for different charities or something like that. Personally, my own preference would be for the State Of Origin series to take place over 3 successive weeks right in the middle of the season and during that time the NRL just takes a 3 week break replaced by the knockout cup. But for some reason, they seem determined to spread the Origin series out over about 8 weeks or something which tends to negatively affect the whole NRL competition for that length of time.

2011-05-23T12:07:10+00:00

Uncle Bob

Guest


They should have it like in the FA Cup, all grassroots teams involved. It would be interesting to see a team from the backblocks sticking it up an NRL side or going the punch to get the pros rattled.

AUTHOR

2011-05-23T10:27:38+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


I agree - the NRL needs to negotiate their TV rights and broadcast spread alot better. However if you look closely at this concept the intent is to take the 4 weeks of club games that are currently played and totally overshadowed by origin (look at last weekend) - and replace them with a Knock-Out comp that engages fans better. Think of this way: the only teams that would be playing during Origin are teams that are winning (because of the knock-out format). That automatically boosts fan interest.

AUTHOR

2011-05-23T10:19:00+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


If you read above you will see that this format actually means less games for the majority of players in the competition. At most only 4 teams would play 1 extra game and only 2 would play 2 extra games - but these games would be with non-rep players with an expanded club roster of 30 players. As for the NRL Under 20's, as the club comp is technically suspended under this format, there's no reason why they couldn't do the same thing. That said I believe State of Origin should be played on a Sunday afternoon/twilight match. Before the game as a prelude there is potential for other Origin formats to be played, such as an Under 20's Origin etc to make it an event for the whole afternoon.

AUTHOR

2011-05-23T10:14:53+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


It's not actually a midweek cup. The current format of teams playing 3 trial games in February would be slightly modified so that 16 teams qualify for games. Then the knockout games are played on the same weekend as origin, replacing the NRL club games for those 4 weeks, whether over one month or spread out. In this manner however as every game is do-or-die, the club games don't take as big a backseat to Origin as they have a great importance than they do now. Teams that are eliminated get byes (but no points for byes). Teams that progress get points and cash. All the games have a bigger meaning. In essence it's like having a finals competition in June/July.

AUTHOR

2011-05-23T10:10:29+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


I can see it working as a showcase for 2nd tier talent in both the NRL and in lower grades. Remember: Origin players wouldn't be playing in these matches though.

AUTHOR

2011-05-23T10:08:35+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


Indeed there would need to be prize money involved, hence part of the incentive for teams to perform rather than what we saw last weekend. As for the impact on players, think of it this way. The top tier of players due to backing up from 4 rep games would play 25 games + finals + trials. Under this system the top tier of players would only play 23 games (as there would only be a 7 day Origin camp, therefore they only miss that weekend's round but also don't have to back up for any games until the next Friday as per usual). So the impact on the biggest stars are reduced by 2 games a season. The lower tier of non-rep players would play in this knockout comp, not all of whom currently play the 24 home and away games each season. Say in the worst case 16 NRL clubs qualified for the finals. The majority of teams play 23 games a season (1 less than current) - but get 4 byes At most 8 teams play 24 games a season (same as current) - but get 3 byes At most 4 teams play 25 games a season (1 more than current) - but get 2 byes At most 2 teams play 26 games a season (2 more than current) That's at most 6 teams (if that) playing more than now and the majority of teams playing the same or less. As these knockout games don't include the major rep stars any additional burden carried by those extra 2 games would be carried by lower tier players rather than the elite group. With teams potentially expanding to 30 man rosters

AUTHOR

2011-05-23T09:55:54+00:00

code 13

Roar Guru


The reason for awarding premiership points is to encourage teams to put their best available players on the field. An NRL team that's struggling before the rep season may suddenly find themselves reenergized by the do-or-die formula of a knockout cup. Note however that points awarded aren't full game points. The winner of the tournament (having won 4 games) if they are an NRL team would receive only 4 points - which only puts them 2 games ahead. At most: 4 teams could get 1 point 2 teams could get 2 points 1 team could get 3 points The winner could get 4 points At the end of the day that rewards teams who put in a strong performance during the middle of the rep season.

2011-05-23T03:09:35+00:00

Ian Whitchurch

Guest


Oikee, If the NRL wants to tell TV stations what they can and cannot do, then the NRL had better offer a quid pro quo aka Accept Less Money.

2011-05-23T02:47:30+00:00

oikee

Guest


You know what else i think, it is un-australian to not have the Origin series live into every state. Maybe we should be working on this instead of worrying about knockout comps, and also for Melbourne fans to be able to see the Storm live on FTA tv. This game needs to lift and not be dictated to by TV knobs.

2011-05-23T02:20:47+00:00

Football United

Guest


i agree with ian. for the lower league teams and players, cup competitions should be all about exposing talent to the world. it could provide an avenue for those players left behind by the big teams to force their way back to the top

2011-05-23T00:53:32+00:00

PaddyBoy

Guest


Good call Oikee. Under 20's would mean less chance of injury, plus U-20's is great to watch, mainly because they can't defend, but also because they still try to do everything, and it works out every now and then.

2011-05-23T00:49:52+00:00

PaddyBoy

Guest


Midweek cups are a good idea, but not in a contact sport played at a high level in this case. It'd be like having an NFL team line up against a low level college side, it wouldn't be pretty. Good to look outside the box, but I don't think this one would fly.

2011-05-23T00:44:04+00:00

oikee

Guest


You want a knockout comp, i have already mentioned this and the game is being paid to run the comp. Make it a under 20's knockout. You could have teams from every state playing, plus also finding new talent. The games are nowhere near as hard as coming up against a NRL side. I have already mentioned we need to have at least 4 Toyota cup games, one on the friday on Fox before the Channel 9 games, and one on the Monday before the Monday nite game. If we introduce the knockout comp, it gets all other under 20 players excited in every state, show a few games around mid season while origin is on and have a final. This would be interesting for the under 20 comp, give the players extra games and get them stronger mentally for the NRL. The NRL players are mentally drained now, no good adding extra games to their program.

2011-05-22T23:36:30+00:00

brownman

Guest


C'mon fellas at least he's having a go and not sitting back taking potshots @ those who are trying to improve our game

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