Reds need to overcome Crusaders' aura in key match ups

By LeftArmSpinner / Roar Guru

The Reds will need to overcome the Crusaders aura to win the 2011 Super Rugby Championship. On an initial head to head comparison of each team’s spine, it was immediately clear that the Crusaders dominated all but the half back faceoff.

The Crusaders bark is much scarier than their bite. Their bark, their aura, their reputation, is not fully supported by the statistics recorded during the last game or across the overall season.

The Reds won the season proper, defeated the Crusaders during that season and have played just as effective rugby as the Crusaders in the finals. The Reds missed 14.4% of their tackles while the Crusaders missed 15.2%.

1. Faingaa v Flynn:

On appearances, Flynn is the clear winner. Faingaa can reduce the gap between himself and Flynn if he is able to throw straight.

How much of this assessment is due to the Crusaders “aura” and how much is supported by the statistics?

A review of last week’s player statistics, according to Fox Sports Fantasy, shows that the two performances are very closely matched. Flynn made 9 tackles and missed 5, made 2 runs and 11 lineout wins.

Faingaa made 8 tackles and missed 2, made 5 runs and 6 lineout wins and one not straight.

Lineout wins are often a reflection of the opposition’s tactics and field position.

Over the whole season, Flynn has played 1159 minutes to Faingaa’s 956 minutes (82%). They have made 73 and 72 runs each, 94 to 142 tackles, missed 15 and 14 tackles each, won 114 to 126 lineouts and had 7 to 2 not straights over the season.

Flynn and his scrum time friends have won 8 tightheads to 3 and lost 2 tightheads to 4.

Minute for minute, Faingaa is clearly better performed.

Opinion: Flynn on appearances and Faingaa on statistics.

2. Robinson v McCaw:

McCaw has had a very limited preparation for this game. Last week McCaw played 80 minutes to Robinson’s 66, made 5 runs to 3, made 16 tackles to 14, missed 2 tackles to 1, made 1 pilfers/turnovers to 2and gave away 1 penalty to 1 by Robinson.

Over the season, McCaw has played 410 minutes (45%)to Robinson’s 916, made 39 runs to 74, 84 tackles to 133, missed 8 tackles to 21, made 5 pilfers to 8, forced 0 turnovers to 5 and conceded 10 penalties to 11.

McCaw excels in tackles per game, while Robinson is clearly ahead at turnovers forced and penalties conceded.

Opinion: McCaw on appearances and Robinson on statistics.

3. Samo v Read:

Read has played 1137 minutes to Samo’s 622 (54%), made 134 runs to Samo’s 63, to 113 tackles Samo’s 94 tackles, missed 14 tackles to 11 and made 23 lineout takes to Samo’s 9.

Opinion: Read on appearances and equal on statistics.

4. Genia v Ellis/Fotuali’i:

Fotuali’i played for 63 minutes to Genia’s 76, made 2 runs to Genia’s 3, 1 tackle bust to 0, 4 tackles to 7, 0 offloads 1, 0 linebreak created to 1, and 0 errors to 4 from Genia.

Genia dominates both Ellis and Fotuali’i in all major statistics.

Game time: (Ellis/ Fotuali’i, Genia): 731(54%)/336 (25%)/1347;

Runs: 36/15/72

Line breaks: 4/1/9

Line breaks created: 4/2/12

Tackles: 38/33/77

Tackles missed: 23/7/18

Penalties: 6/1/4

Opinion: Genia on appearances and Genia on statistics.

Try assists: 3/2/6

5. Cooper v Carter:

Carter has played 875 minutes (64%) to Cooper’s 1348 minutes, made 64 runs to Cooper’s 102, made 90 tackles to Cooper’s 52, missed 17 to 26, made 4 linebreaks to 15, created 10 linebreaks to 27, and one try assist to 10 from Cooper, 24 conversions to 30, 6 conversions missed to 14, 40 penalties to 41, 17 penalties missed to 20 making an overall kicking success rate percentage of 73% to 67% for Cooper.

Overwhelmingly, Cooper has greater attacking results, but is less effective in both the tackle and goalkicking. While tries are worth more than goal kicks, goal kickers often win tight games.

Opinion: Carter on appearances and equal on statistics.

6. Lance V Marshall:

This statistical comparison is flawed as lace has only played 158 minutes, (two games) in 2011 to Marshall’s 772 minutes.

Last weekend, Marshall played 80 minutes to Lance’s 80, made 6 runs to 5, made 4 tackles busts to 2, made 0 linebreaks to 2, made 1 tackle to 11, missed 0 tackles to 5, and made 2 errors to 1. Crucially, Marshall conceded three penalties to 0.

Opinion: Marshall on appearances and Marshall on statistics.

Much has been made of the earthquake victims that they are representing and the additional travel done throughout the season.

However, the Reds also represent a community ravaged by nature in the recent past. The Reds were out there in their training kit helping clean up after the floods.

It is just not “front of mind” for rugby followers, probably because it was before the season commenced and it didn’t affect one of the RWC’s principal venues.

While the Crusaders appear to be a stronger team, man to man than the rising Reds team can match them. This does not prescribe a win by either team. It comes down to physical and mental preparation and the desire, self belief and motivation.

Two 12 hour international flights in seven days must affect the Crusaders performance in the 4th quarter. The heart may be willing but the flesh will be weak.

The Crowd Says:

2011-07-08T18:28:01+00:00

Roy

Guest


Reds or Saders, it is a close call and will be an awesome match....one stat I have not read is player ages. Will the older legs last, what will be a game played at pace?

2011-07-08T08:05:33+00:00

Denby

Guest


This will be a great game. The forwards will be the deciding factor. Who ever can control the ruck and get fast front foot ball will win. Not expecting allot of tries as both teams will defend like warriors. My feeling is, if the Reds can be in touch by 7 or less with 20 to go, the jet lag will kick in and they will win it. But this will be way to close to put money on.

2011-07-08T07:52:35+00:00

Denby

Guest


Jerry, Good point. I was not trying to point out that particular try just using it as an example of poor jokerman's logic is. Sport does not involve Karama. It is simply the best team or person on the day wins, regardless of the bounce of the ball or a decision by the ref or how much perceived Karma jokermans Messia has.

2011-07-08T05:43:13+00:00

Rory

Guest


Sorry - won't be reading this drivel any more. Unsubscribe.

2011-07-08T00:53:47+00:00

Moaman

Guest


Jack is 4th choice-since Romano is bracketted ahead of him.As i just said above-just watched last 15 minutes of that match-and tend to agree with Tui.The Crusaders pack will be the difference in my view.

2011-07-08T00:49:38+00:00

Moaman

Guest


Interesting; Jerry i happened to watch part of that match-from the 65th minute onwards,again this morning,and it was facinating to listen to the australian commentators{ for a change! } and how it appeared to them that the Crusaders had timed their run perfectly and were heading for a win over the Reds.Pretty much the only time the Reds broke out of their half-other than restarting via kick-offs-was when they launched that last-ditch counter-attack-(aided and abetted by myopic linesmen/Dickonson,)that wound up with the penalty out in front.I think that the Crusaders tight 5-if it replicates the effort it put in v Stormers,will be the difference on Saturday and that the Red n Blacks will come away with icing on their super cake.

2011-07-07T23:30:39+00:00

jokerman

Guest


Denby, like most humans you have no idea about Karma, hence you try to back a stance that supports your team and ideas....which is the mind defending its position. Put it this way..it's a lot deeper than the surface dribble you speak about. It’s also very simple. One of my main messages in what I said, was what you give in life you get back (The time varies with this, from when it returns..) From that place I feel the Crucaders have placed themselves well.....and that spooks you a little. You think life is random, it is not. Not to the soul, it knows a lot.

2011-07-07T22:54:58+00:00

cinematic

Guest


Heh. Very good.

2011-07-07T22:14:28+00:00

Funk

Guest


Once the four year contract is up, do you think he might move to Hollywood (could be the next Steven Segal)?

2011-07-07T12:36:13+00:00

Jerry

Guest


Why is it that every time that try is mentioned it gets later and later in the game, and of more importance? A) It wasn't in the final minutes B) It didn't even give the AB's a lead. In fact, it was with about 15 minutes to play. A Kieran Read try with about 5 minutes to play gave the All Blacks the lead. If doing illegal things brings bad Karma, Quade probably has a bit owing him with that little laptop escapade...

2011-07-07T12:22:53+00:00

Denby

Guest


By your logic the Wallabies will have the wood on the AB's after there completely illegal scrum move that won them the Sydney game in the final minutes last year. Doing something deliberately illegal has got to bring bad Karama.

2011-07-07T12:12:57+00:00

winston

Guest


"The crusaders not playing are jack, heinz, Ward. thats it, hardly third ranked players in key positions " Dude they are all third choice players in their positions? Jack is arguable. And SBW had ripped web or something. This Crusaders team will be totally a different beast. Maitland completes a pretty awesome back 3 and both halfbacks are world class, though Dagg is a huge miss. Kahn F. is so underrated They could well put 20 points on the reds. These Reds remind me of the Chief's a couple years back when they made the finals in the way that they play.

2011-07-07T12:05:37+00:00

Tui

Guest


Heinz and Ward are definitely 3rd choice. Jack is close to 3rd choice also with Romano. Being halfback Heinz is a key position and had a hand in bombing a chance that was my point.

AUTHOR

2011-07-07T11:07:26+00:00

LeftArmSpinner

Roar Guru


tui, as for the teams here they are now: Reds : 1. Ben Daley , 2. Saia Faingaa , 3. James Slipper , 4. Rob Simmons , 5. James Horwill (c) , 6. Scott Higginbotham , 7. Beau Robinson , 8. Radike Samo , 9. Will Genia (vc) , 10. Quade Cooper , 11. Digby Ioane , 12. Ben Tapuai , 13. Anthony Faingaa , 14. Luke Morahan , 15. Ben Lucas Reserves : 16. James Hanson , 17. Greg Holmes , 18. Adam Wallace-Harrison , 19. Jake Schatz , 20. Ian Prior , 21. Will Chambers , 22. Dom Shipperley . Crusaders :1. Wyatt Crockett , 2. Corey Flynn , 3. Owen Franks , 4. Brad Thorn , 5. Chris Jack , 6. George Whitelock , 7. Richie McCaw (c) , 8. Kieran Read , 9. Willi Heinz , 10. Dan Carter , 11. Zac Guildford , 12. Sonny Bill Williams , 13. Robbie Fruean , 14. Brent Ward , 15. Tom Marshall Reserves :16. Quentin MacDonald , 17. Ben Franks , 18. Luke Romano , 19. Matt Todd , 20. Steve Alfeld , 21. Matt Berquist , 22. Ryan Crotty The crusaders not playing are jack, heinz, Ward. thats it, hardly third ranked players in key positions (plural) the reds are without slipper and morahan and lucas but morahan has been replaced by Davies.

AUTHOR

2011-07-07T11:03:39+00:00

LeftArmSpinner

Roar Guru


I thought that Ranger was not really fully fit, let alone cut up the reds midfield from the wing. No one cut up the reds midfield. the Blues just went across the park all night

AUTHOR

2011-07-07T11:01:39+00:00

LeftArmSpinner

Roar Guru


hori, a good shot at stirring the aussies but it will take more than that........

2011-07-07T10:25:46+00:00

Tui

Guest


I killed some time at work today watching the last game between these two. To be perfectly honest the Crusaders were all over the Reds for the vast majority of that match and they were significantly weaker than now with 3rd choices in some key positions. They just lacked some composure and precision during try scoring opportunities. So I would be fairly confident of a Crusader victory. That is if it were not for the travel which I still don't know how it will affect things. Thats why I wont be betting this weekend.

2011-07-07T09:45:16+00:00

jokerman

Guest


Dickster, how do you think a Zen master replies to someone who speaks absolute dribble? Zen mastery, Karma are not the same.

2011-07-07T09:28:22+00:00

jokerman

Guest


That's funny Damo. Thank you. I like the shortened version of my name, "Joker” I also liked the longer complementary name you gave Jerry (About 15 comments below) "Beautiful Jerry." I believe he was very flattered.

2011-07-07T09:17:40+00:00

Dexter William

Roar Guru


He is really good at making it seem like he tripped over.

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