Carlton v Hawthorn: Live AFL scores, blog

By Justin Cinque / Expert

Tonight’s installment of Friday night football has thrown up arguably the most important game of the home and away season, with top-four sides Carlton and Hawthorn facing off for the first time in 2011. Join us from 7:30pm tonight for live AFL scores and blog for Blues v Hawks at Etihad Stadium.

When third and fourth on the AFL ladder meet in a match just outside of September it is always going to be a massive clash. It’s happening tonight, on the eve of finals, and the result is critically important.

The Hawks can shore up third position with a win, while a loss would relegate them to fourth and the likelihood of a first up finals clash with defending premiers Collingwood (as opposed to finishing third and playing Geelong).

Anything but a win fails to seal a top four position because finishing fifth is not yet out of the question for the out-of-contract Alistair Clarkson.

The Blues, on the other hand, head into tonight’s encounter knowing that with a bye next week, they are playing for the chance to finish in the top four.

If Carlton win, not only do they take their one and only big scalp of the season proper but they stay in the hunt for the double chance – the pressure sitting heavily on the shoulders of fifth-placed West Coast who can’t afford a slip up from here to the end.

But if the Blues lose, they are almost consigned to a fifth-placed finish and their chances of raising the flag for the first time since 1995 diminish drastically.

A strongly-held belief states only the top four sides compete for the premiership in the finals. The one and only non top four premier in the AFL was Adelaide in 1998 (however, due to the use of a different system that year, the Crows – coming from fifth place on the ladder – continued on after losing in the first week of the playoffs).

Even if tonight’s match was a dead rubber there would still be plenty of interest from a tactical perspective. Hawthorn and Carlton, along with the Eagles, are seemingly the biggest threats to a Collingwood v Geelong Grand Final.

Both the Hawks and the Blues play very different styles to the Pies and Cats and this could give them an edge in the finals.

Hawthorn has the capacity to deny the opposition the ball for long periods, using their elite kicking skills to retain the football when coming out defence.

On top of that, the Hawks have the luxury of being able to call on the heavy artillery of Lance Franklin and Cyril Rioli in the attacking 50.

In contrast, the Blues are lightning fast, offer an unpredictable forward line, a blue-chip midfield and penetrating run off half-back.

Carlton has rushed defender Michael Jamison back into the team after he missed a couple months of footy with a knee injury.

Due to the gravity of tonight’s result and the brilliance of the Hawthorn forward line, the All Australian-bound backman will probably be required to mind Lance Franklin, although coach Brett Ratten hinted that Jamison could be the sub.

Many people believe that the Hawks will have their work cut out containing a Carlton midfield that boasts the likes of Brownlow Medal candidates Chris Judd and Marc Murphy.

But of what I have seen of the Hawthorn midfield, led by Sam Mitchell, also (despite being ineligible) in Brownlow form, the Hawks will win enough of the clearances to keep the Blues honest.

After all, the Hawks have saluted the last seven times these two clubs have met. And it has not always been close.

Hawthorn will be taking plenty of confidence into the match. They disposed of a woeful Port Adelaide side by more than 150 points last week.

Playing without many experienced men for much of the season, the Hawks have been rejuvenated by a number of impressive youngsters working their way into the team. And Clarkson has shown faith in the Hawks’ kids by not making any chances for the crucial clash this evening.

The Blues are also in good form. In the first half last week against Fremantle in Perth, Carlton played incredibly well.

If it wasn’t for some bad kicking at goal, the game would have been done at quarter time. The Carlton camp will be a quietly confident one.

This shapes up as a great matchup: two young, improving, confident and impressive sides. As the race for September hots up, there will be plenty of answers to some big questions tonight.

I’m going to tip a Hawks win. I like Hawthorn’s record against the Blues. And while the Etihad venue should suit Carlton, the Blues have a modest (by their standards) 5-3 winning record at the ground this year. The losses were against Geelong, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs.

I think Hawthorn will get enough joy out of the midfield battle to cause the Carlton coaches’ box plenty of headaches. I’ll nominate a 14-point winning margin for the brown and gold.

Teams

Carlton
B: Jeremy Laidler, Michael Jamison, Christopher Yarran
HB: Bryce Gibbs, Lachlan Henderson, Nick Duigan
C: Heath Scotland, David Ellard, Kade Simpson
HF: Jeffrey Garlett, Bret Thornton, Dennis Armfield
F: Andrew Walker, Matthew Kreuzer, Eddie Betts
Foll: Robert Warnock, Chris Judd, Marc Murphy
I/C: Andrew Carrazzo, Aaron Joseph, Mitch Robinson, Marcus Davies
Emg: Setanta O’hAilpin, Jordan Russell, Zach Tuohy
In: Michael Jamison
Out: Zach Tuohy
Milestones: Robert Warnock – 50 games

Hawthorn
B: Paul Puopolo, Josh Gibson, Thomas Murphy
HB: Brent Guerra, Ryan Schoenmakers, Grant Birchall
C: Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Isaac Smith
HF: Chance Bateman, Lance Franklin, Shaun Burgoyne
F: Cyril Rioli, David Hale, Luke Breust
Foll: Max Bailey, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell
I/C: Brendan Whitecross, Liam Shiels, Matt Suckling, Cameron Bruce
Emg: Michael Osborne, Jordan Lisle, Kyle Cheney

LAST TIME: Hawthorn 16.14 (110) d Carlton 8.12 (60), Rnd 9, 2010, Docklands
PAST FIVE: Carlton 0 Hawthorn 5
RECORD OVERALL: Carlton 114 Hawthorn 88 draw 2
AT THIS GROUND: Carlton 2 Hawthorn 4
SINCE 2000: Carlton 4 Hawthorn 12
BETTING: Carlton $2.20 Hawthorn $1.65

The Crowd Says:

2011-08-20T00:49:48+00:00

The Cattery

Roar Guru


52k+ last night at Etihad is a decent crowd.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:20:54+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


I will add that the Hawks showed, especially early on, that they can win the flag. Carlton got that horrible half out of their system in August because if you play like they did in the first half in September you'll be 100 points down at HT. The jury is still out on the Blues. They won't make the top four. They probably won't win the flag because of it. Can they win a final? Of course. Two finals? Hmmm.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:16:58+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


Only Aussie Rules throws up games like that. Thanks for joining us for a great game of footy.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:14:59+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


FULL TIME Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.18.78 Well, what an intriguing 2 and a half hours of footy. The Blues were ugly in the first half. They looked uncertain, nervous. Hopeless really. Top four aspirations were gone with the game at HT but the way the Blues fought back was admirable. Credit to guys like Jamison and Simpson who really lifted. Hawthorn were fantastic tonight from the outset. They have so many youngsters in their team but they all combined to make the Hawks better. The Hawks did very well in the midfield battle for long enough to do enough damage. When the game was there for the taking in the early stages Franklin was brilliant. As the game wore on Henderson got his own back. Buddy is still in great form though. His first two quarters were vintage. In the final term Hodge played a good game to get the Hawks home. I'm not sure whether they'll get any votes but I loved the games of both Henderson for Carlton and Smith for Hawthorn.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:10:21+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


FULL TIME Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.18.78 Smith marks at 45m. He can go back and goal after the siren from 45. It's shank. He doesn't care. Hawks by 12. Really interesting game. Biggest news is obviously the result going Hawks way and the resolve shown by Carlton not only to put up a good second half showing but to get themselves back into the game and trouble the Hawks. The Blues fought back like a team that can win finals should. They'll use their bye. They probably need it.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:08:38+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


0:41 to go Q4 Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.18.78 Blues muck around in the back pocket. Not much else they can do. Throw-in. Sewell misses.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:07:46+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


1:02 to go Q4 Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.17.77 Smith from a long way goes to the pocket. Throw-in in the pocket.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:07:07+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


1:16 to go Q4 Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.17.77 Laidler gives away a free. Smith got caught late from behind. Free to Smith at HF. She's done.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:06:27+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


1:35 to go Q4 Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.17.77 Hodge at FB. Hawks under duress. Persist with chip passes. Rioli at HB. Gives to Sewell on the wing....

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:05:47+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


2:04 to go Q4 Carl 8.18.66 Haw 10.17.77 Out of bounds on the full. Blues at HF. Gibbs marks at 45m. He needs to goal this to them any chance I'd say. It's across the face.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:04:49+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


2:49 to go Q4 Carl 8.17.65 Haw 10.17.77 Rioli to Lewis. Blues under control at FB. Move it fast. Hodge gives it short to Schoen. Sewell at HB.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:03:51+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


3:35 to go Q4 Carl 8.17.65 Haw 10.17.77 Mitchell at HF. Laidler clears. Suckling gets a free. Hendo at HB. Does well again. Simpson marks. Gibbs back to SImpson, runs to 35 and goals calmly. Carlton where was this in the first half? The football they play in heaven! Outstanding Carlton. Fantastic.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:02:20+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


4:28 to go Q4 Carl 7.17.59 Haw 10.17.77 Joseph done for HTB. Hawks so close now. Bailey has cramp. We hope. I think it is. Long ball inside. Poster from Shiels.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T12:01:20+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


4:59 to go Q4 Carl 7.17.59 Haw 10.16.76 Free to the Blues in the middle. lOng ball inside. Eddie crumbing. Walker at 50. Hawks get it out but plenty of Blues. Walker on the HFF marks. From 55, he goes to the top of the square. Judd breaks, snaps and doesn't get the trip from 20 yards. Throw-in centre wing.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T11:59:25+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


6:06 to go Q4 Carl 7.17.59 Haw 10.16.76 Jamison marks in the pocket. Plays on and hits the stick. Centring ball for the Blues is marked by Simpson. He must goal. He does. Pulse is there. Hard to find but it's there. I reckon tonight is a good example of why a long game of AFL footy is necessary. It allows for ebs and flows. For fightbacks.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T11:57:32+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


7 to go Q4 Carl 6.16.52 Haw 10.16.76 Smith at HF. Gives to Bateman. Gets it back. It's been a big effort. From 40m against the fence, it's a big kick, a big moment. Steadies, brings it back and goals. He's been fantastic tonight. Great goal. I reckon they might be home. I've said that a few times. But this time, the clock doesn't help the Blues.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T11:56:00+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


9 to go Q4 Carl 6.15.51 Haw 9.16.70 Hawks at HB. Blues almost won it in the corridor, goes the other way. Throw-in. If the Blues were better in the first half (and make no bones about it there were horrible) they'd go very close to winning this. Gibbs is found at 55. He has time. Runs to the paint, has a go and misses again. Poor. He's capable of better.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T11:54:27+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


9 to go Q4 Carl 6.14.50 Haw 9.16.70 Cyril wins a free on the wing. Must use it wisely. Goes inside. Marked by THornton. Blues spread well. Betts at HB. Held up. Be wise Ed. Goes to the wing, Simpson to Gibbs on the HFF. Under pressure. He misses. Time slowly becoming an issue for the Blues. 52052 at Etihad. Massive. Close to the record.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T11:52:49+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


10 to go Q4 Carl 6.14.50 Haw 9.16.70 Throw-in centre wing. Hodge's miss with 10 ten to go keeps the Blues in it.

AUTHOR

2011-08-19T11:52:10+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


13 to go Q4 Carl 6.14.50 Haw 9.16.70 Bateman at HF. Goes long to HODGE. Marks on the chest at the front at FF. Hodge's last five minutes outstanding. The captain rose. Throw his teammates on his back and carried them. His shot is not hard but he misses. Wow.

More Comments on The Roar

Read more at The Roar