The ultimate 2011 AFL Grand Final preview

By Michael DiFabrizio / Expert

Steve Johnson of Geelong laughs as he celebrates a goal ahead of Alan Toovey of Collingwood during the AFL Round 24 match between the Collingwood Magpies and the Geelong Cats at the MCG, Melbourne. Slattery Images

Well, the biggest game of the AFL season is now only one day away. Collingwood and Geelong, two worthy opponents, are set to clash to decide who will be this year’s premiership team.

But can Collingwood really go back to back and send off Mick Malthouse with one last premiership?

Can Geelong really win their third flag in five years and make Chris Scott a premiership coach in his first season?

On the eve of the 2011 AFL Grand Final it’s time to answer these questions, one key factor at a time.

Factor 1: Form

On paper, form is one gigantic plus in Geelong’s favour. Since thumping the Pies to the tune of 96 points in Round 24, they impressively disposed of Hawthorn and were able to cruise through to the Grand Final last week against West Coast.

Collingwood, in contrast, just haven’t been as convincing. They had to work hard for their finals win over the Eagles in week one and nearly got knocked out entirely by the Hawks last week.

But the argument goes both ways. It could be said Collingwood found their mojo last week.

They were 21 points down in the third quarter against a very good Hawthorn outfit and then, suddenly, everything changed – there had to be a reason, and it’s not like the Hawks significantly dropped off.

You could say it was the Pies rising to the occasion and rediscovering the football that had gotten them to where they were. Likewise, you could also say the Cats playing on cruise control last week wouldn’t have given them a healthy preparation for the intensity that awaits them in the Grand Final.

If all that has sent your mind in a million different directions, here’s the solution to get you thinking straight: throw the form guide out the window.

Advantage: Neither

Factor 2: Match fitness and injuries

Just because you are named in the teams on Thursday afternoon, doesn’t mean: A) you are actually going to play, nor B) you are actually 100 per cent fit.

Dr Peter Larkins, footy’s resident medical expert, days ago rated Darren Jolly a 20 per cent chance to play.

“With groin injuries normally we’re talking about how many weeks they’re going to be (before they play again) not how many days they are,” he said.

All this makes it hard to see – even if he does indeed play – a similar Jolly to the one so dominant this time last year. And that means finals specialist Brad Ottens could very well have a field day for the Cats, à la the 2007 preliminary final.

Key defender Ben Reid, who also has had groin problems, has been rated a better chance to play than Jolly all week. However, if his game this week resembles his game last week, it could spell trouble given it would leave just Chris Tarrant as a qualified match-up for the big bodies of Tom Hawkins and James Podsiadly.

So basically, a lot is riding on these two players. The consequences of Jolly and Reid missing – or worse, missing in action – are massive.

Then there’s Geelong’s Steve Johnson.

He’ll be put through his paces today to prove his fitness but whatever happens, it’s hard to see him delving too deep into that famous bag of tricks given the incident we witnessed only six days ago.

However, a forward-midfielder is easier to replace than a key defender or ruckman. When you also factor in the Pies’ niggling concerns – like Nick Maxwell’s ribs and thumb, and Ben Johnson’s calf – then remember how Chris Scott has re-wrote the textbook on managing players to peak come finals, things quickly swing Geelong’s favour.

Advantage: Geelong

Factor 3: Game plans and coaching

The Collingwood game plan has been broken apart in the past month and a bit, while the Geelong game plan has gained a new edge in the past month and a bit. That, at least, is the feeling you get reading some analysis this week. It might hold some merit, too.

In 2010, the Pies never once lost the time spent in forward half statistic. This year, in Rounds 1-23, only once were they beaten.

Yet in their past three games, the ball has spent more time in the opposition’s forward half every game. That included the Round 24 game, where the ball spent a whopping 19 minutes 57 seconds more time in the Cats’ forward half.

The Pies’ game plan relies, at least partially, on forcing turnovers in the forward half to create scoring opportunities, so this is an important change of events.

Geelong, meanwhile, have recently adopted more of a long kicking approach to the game.

“The most notable change came in round 24 when Geelong had 67 effective long kicks (to a teammate or leading to a stoppage) in the 96-point victory over Collingwood. That was a season high for any team,” Paul Daffey of AFL.com.au writes.

“Then the Cats had 76 effective long kicks in the qualifying final against Hawthorn and 75 in the preliminary final against West Coast.”

These numbers reflect what we were already suspecting: Geelong are kicking the ball long inside 50 to their tall timber (Hawkins, Podsiadly, Trent West, Ottens) to set up either a mark or an opportunity for their smalls (Mathew Stokes, Allen Christensen, Travis Varcoe) to create something.

So far, it’s worked a treat.

On the coaching front, it must be pointed out that you’d back Malthouse and his experience to produce a game-changing Grand Final move more than you would the rookie Scott. So there’s a slight advantage to the Pies there, however overall that rookie has done exceptionally well to put the Cats where they are in now.

Advantage: Geelong

Factor 4: Geelong forwards v Collingwood defenders

Reid’s fitness makes this one a bit tricky, but if he’s good enough to do a decent job of containing one of the Cats’ key forwards, this one goes in the Pies’ favour.

Maybe if Daniel Menzel was still around or Stevie J had a flawless preliminary final it would be different. But the Pies do have a quality group of defenders.

Reid was, after all, an All Australian this year. Tarrant has likewise had a massive year. Both have ensured the season-ending injury to Nathan Brown didn’t have an overly noticeable impact.

Hawkins has looked good in recent finals, but it’s hard to see him kicking more than two goals. Podsiadly could do some damage, but the expected wet conditions most likely won’t favour him.

The intriguing sub-plot in this area of the ground will be Leon Davis. Can he finally put his Grand Final demons to bed? Surely, it’s time for Neon Leon to shine.

Advantage: Collingwood

Factor 5: Collingwood forwards v Geelong defenders

Travis Cloke has been a star of the competition this season. 66 goals, All Australian selection and a double-digit vote tally on Brownlow night have been testament to that.

However, Harry Taylor seems to always get the better of him. Ever since their first encounter (won convincingly by Cloke) the Pie forward’s haul against the Cats has been only seven goals from seven games – with only one of those goals from when Taylor was his opponent.

It’s one of the key match-ups of this game, but if the biggest factor in Cloke’s favour is a big season, well, pretty sure we can use that same argument with “15 goals conceded” Taylor.

Assuming the Cloke domino falls, from there Geelong should win. Matthew Scarlett and Corey Enright have both had All Australian years and are great at what they do. The rest of the back line have been good enough to keep Darren Milburn out of the side.

Advantage: Geelong

Factor 6: Midfield

Sure, on one side you’ve got Joel Selwood, Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Joel Corey and more … but on the other you’ve got Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Luke Ball, Dale Thomas and more again.

The two midfields are on the surface difficult to split, but you get the sense Swan and Pendlebury are the best two players out of the aforementioned eight. With Ball literally in match-winning form and Thomas always capable of something special, the Pies do appear to hold an edge.

On The Footy Show last night, Nick Dal Santo gave the Pies’ midfield unit his tick of approval on the basis that they still use their rotations well and have plenty of options to throw into the middle of the ground.

Plus, as I’ve been saying ad nauseam for the past month, Geelong were the second-worst clearance team of the home and away season. Now, surely that’s got to count for something.

Advantage: Collingwood

Factor 7: Ruck

As discussed under the match fitness and injury sub-heading, this is one area where it’s not hard to see Geelong winning. Ottens performs in finals and with Jolly most likely restricted, it’s an obvious worry for the Pies.

Throw in the form of the back-ups – West is looking sharper than Leigh Brown – and this is one way territory for the Cats.

Advantage: Geelong

The final result

For those keeping score at home, that’s four factors in favour of the Cats, two for the Pies and one factor that really should’ve been left out of this whole exercise. And arguably the biggest factor – match fitness and injuries – is in the Cats’ favour, too.

My tip? Geelong by 25.

The Crowd Says:

2011-10-01T03:54:25+00:00

Bondy

Guest


The Cattery, good luck with today, and also i cant find him but The Wookie .

2011-09-30T08:38:21+00:00

Richard

Roar Guru


Good summary. No doubt, the Cats are favourites and they deserve to be. I'm so glad they are too. :)

2011-09-30T07:45:04+00:00

The Cattery

Roar Guru


absolutely bucketing down right now Stevie J making a claim to play

2011-09-30T07:43:44+00:00

The Cattery

Roar Guru


Odds on pies have blown out a bit to $2

2011-09-30T07:27:30+00:00

The Cattery

Roar Guru


good review Michael diF. really hard to make sense of the form, injuries and recent record, none of that might end up mattering, but you have to put the Cats ahead of the pies right now. If Stevie J is out and both Jolly and Reid are fit, that might almost be enough to swing the balance. Let's hope the rain holds off, it has been wet and freezing cold in Melbourne today. TC

2011-09-30T03:20:23+00:00

Jamie

Guest


I like most the things you have said but the backline of the Pies is highly overrated. If you truly watch they cannot beat their opponent without performing something illegal, Harry O is the worst for it and Maxwell isn't far behind. Pods and Tomahawk have been red hot. I can't stand either of them really but they have confidence to boot and are far better than most any opponent placed on them this Saturday. The hawks last week let Cloke have his 20 odd disposals mostly up the wing, and bar from a few umpiring blunders the pies were never in that contest and we would be reliving 08. I hope the cats win but would love to see Mick, Kraks, Leroy Brown and even Ball win.

2011-09-30T03:10:15+00:00

Macca

Guest


I agree with Michael on this one, Taylor will play on Cloke so whoever he had last year is completely irrelevant, Lonergan will take on Dawes which leaves Scarlett on Brown/third man up. Big win for Geelong. If the Hawks undermanned backline could keep the Pies forwards quiet last week the far superior Geelong backline should have no problems. On the Round 24 strategy, as I said earlier the stats from the earlier game are very similar to the round 24 game so Geelongs straegy was on show all the way back then and I can't sse Collingwood coming up with a vastly different game plan to the one they have used for the past 2 years because it has worked. Also I don't think Geelong will try to stop Swan from getting the ball, they will do what they did to him in round 24 let him get the qucik kick forward and chop it off. In round 24 his disposal efficiency was down around 55%.

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2011-09-30T02:27:01+00:00

Michael DiFabrizio

Expert


Ok fair enough, although don't overlook Tom Lonergan. Even if Collingwood can curb the influence of Geelong's loose man in defence, the Cats still have two of Scarlett, Taylor and Longergan left to man Cloke and Dawes.

2011-09-30T01:57:59+00:00

Thomas

Guest


Sorry I didnt mean against cloke, I mean the rotations on Taylor, He had Thomas, Macaffer and Wellingham last year, they all got him out of the contest and let the roving forwards get in for for goal. Taylor on his night is easy to manipulate. Hunt without his physical presence can be an absolute dud in the backline. I admit Leigh brown is the same, but the benefit with Leigh Brown is, he just plays a floating role around the ground and doesnt require much pressuret to fulfil his role. If Hunt and Taylor get taken out of the game quickly and its just Cloke and Dawes against Scarlett, The Premiership will surely be a cakewalk. On the flipside if Taylor and Hunt find their roles and play them well .. Scarletts job will be a formality and Collingwood might be a starring down the barrel of a round 24 like scoreline. I just think that the Pies have the experience to not let this happen. I think one of the benefits of the round 24 smashing is that Geelong showed all their cards. In both games against Geelong this year, Collingwood gave away nothing. Geelongs gameplan against us can be analysed and manipulated with relative ease. The only thing I can see Geelong can take from our games is stop Cloke, stop Swan contain pendlebury, Game Won.

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2011-09-30T01:06:54+00:00

Michael DiFabrizio

Expert


"Harry Taylor sucks against Collingwood in a pressure game." Not sure about that one, Thomas. Cloke's only kicked one goal on him since they first met, which was back in 2008. As for predictions, you're right. Sometimes a lot of guesswork is involved. Sometimes, when we delve too deep into guesswork, we get it blatantly wrong. But sometimes, and I stress sometimes, we get it right. From my own personal hall of fame: - http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/03/23/why-cant-collingwood-win-the-flag/ (March 2010) - http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/09/24/itll-be-the-cats-by-6-in-a-thrilling-grand-final/ (September 2009) Just don't ask me who I tipped for the flag this pre-season. ;)

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2011-09-30T01:02:29+00:00

Michael DiFabrizio

Expert


Pete and Macca, for what it's worth I just tweeted that the last two teams with a 160+ percentage in the H&A season were St Kilda '09 and Geelong '08. Read into that what you will.

AUTHOR

2011-09-30T01:00:57+00:00

Michael DiFabrizio

Expert


TomC, fair point. I'll admit I felt a bit guilty that game plan and coaching had to be grouped together because as I say in the article, "you’d back Malthouse and his experience to produce a game-changing Grand Final move more than you would the rookie Scott." So there's another factor that's in Geelong's advantage, but only slightly. There's no perfect way to analyse a football game, though, so all I'm trying to do here is try and cover what appear to be the key areas.

2011-09-30T00:49:57+00:00

Pete

Guest


if what you are saying is correct, that Collingwood relied on bursts of goals to make their form look better than it was, how come their percentage this season was by far the best we've seen in a long, long time? (167 was more than StK '09 and every one of geelong's '07-11 teams). You can make a win-loss record look better than it is, but not the percentage.

2011-09-30T00:49:02+00:00

Macca

Guest


Have a look at the top 5's percentage Pete, there hasn't been a season in a long time where all 5 teams had such high percentage. It is an indicator that those sides were well above everyone else. Also Collingwood had a number of quarters where they turned a tight contest against modest oppostion into a 10 goal win, they still played average footy for 3 quarters just relied on a burst of goals to boost that percentage. Also Pete you made the point that Collingwood couldn't play that badly for 3 quarters again, my point was that the have done so repeatedly this year.

2011-09-30T00:38:10+00:00

Macca

Guest


Two losses to the side that they are playing this weekend, and my point is that their ability to find a burst of goals has made their form look better than it actually is. I am trying to get you to look past the superficial win/loss and concentrate on actual form. Also the top 5 were well above everyone else this year meaning straight win/loss is largely irrelevant, toss in the fact that against those top 5 side Collingwood got smashed by Geelong twice, played a Hawthorn side missing a large number of its better player and played 2 15 minute bursts to get over a clearly 5th Carlton and they aren't the juggernaut they were this time last year.

2011-09-30T00:30:01+00:00

Pete

Guest


Macca please, if you're going to say things like "look at Collingwood's whole season" you're clutching at straws a bit aren't you? Collingwood's whole season involved two losses! Pretty hard to knock that! On the exact same token, in Geelong's whole season, how many games did they require some major luck at the death to get over the line, a la Milburn's goal, Warnock being half concussed, Pendlebury's goal disallowed etc..

2011-09-30T00:27:04+00:00

Macca

Guest


Thomas it sn't just the round 24 game, have a look at the first game this year and look past the final margin and look at the key stats, Collingwood were smashed just Geelong didn't kick straight and almost let Collingwood pinch the game. In fact a lot of the stats from the round 24 are very similar to the first game, just Geelong put it on the scoreboard. the Taylor Cloke battle will probaly go Collingwoods way but Leigh Brown and Dawes aren't in great form and will get beaten by Scarlett and Lonegan. didak and Blair aren't hitting the scoreboard either and the Jolly/Brown V Ottens/West battle is very much a Geelong win (given Jolly can't be 100% fit). In short it's much more than the round 24 game that has Geelong as favourite.

2011-09-30T00:21:10+00:00

Macca

Guest


Pete - "But then you hear people say “Collingwood won’t play as bad as they did for those first three quarters…”" My point is look back over the past 12 quarters Collingwood have played and how many of them are "good form" (remembering West Coast missed both Cox & Kerr). Also if you look at Collingwood's whole season how many times were they in a situation just like Friday night where they relied on one Quarter or 15 minute burst of goals to win games for them.

2011-09-30T00:16:27+00:00

Thomas

Guest


Harry Taylor sucks against Collingwood in a pressure game. 2010 He got obliterated. Hunt was smashed by Macaffer too. I have a feeling analysing this game will be as meaningless as analysing the 2010/11 brownlows. Even the analysis for 2010 grand final was off. Everyone had Collingwood to win by 8 goals (which they eventually did) And they easily could have lost it at the death in the first game had the ball bounced a different way. Love to see the reviews for the game, but everyone is bandwaggoning on Geelong the same way people bandwaggoned on Collingwood at the start of the year. All it took was one game (Round 24) for everyone to change their minds. Two average games in the finals and Geelong are favourites. Throw it all out, all the predictions, everything. in the back of everyones heads no one has any idea whats going to happen this weekend. The pies could get trounced by 100, Geelong could go down like the Saints did in game 2 last year. I could be wrong about Taylor and Hunt and come Saturday night, I'll probably have egg on my face. But the reality is, this game is totally and completely 100% up in the air.

2011-09-30T00:00:17+00:00

Pete

Guest


I actually thought it was a rather smart point. All week people have been saying "Geelong have the form, Geelong have the form..." But then you hear people say "Collingwood won't play as bad as they did for those first three quarters..." Both are valid observations. So too was Michael saying "Likewise, you could also say the Cats playing on cruise control last week wouldn’t have given them a healthy preparation for the intensity that awaits them in the Grand Final." Maybe 'form' in the pure sense of the word is with Geelong, but if we are to analyse 'past results' I think it is indeed a pointless exercise because the argument goes both ways.

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