Cooper back by round six, say Reds

you really dont read what you write do you, mike? i guess you are one of those guys who gets stuck on the roundabout all day long, waiting for someone to let you off. how can you spout on about the terrible kiwis in a majority of your posts, make wild generalisations in the majority of your posts and then claim that it is everyone else who does it!? where is your evidence of how quades family was treated? he, infact, was treated like the proverbial rockstar when out and about in the towns he visited!! so again, since you typically just like to take pot shots and claim the moral high ground, why is it that you feel the need to deride things that you have no idea about? isnt that the definition of ignorance? quade was hammered in his matches ( but its not alright because you like him) and it affected him. you often like to claim that the fans are meaningless and have no bearing, and yet you like to defend him whilst taking your little pot shots at kiwis!? so why do you feel the need to defend him against the big bad kiwis? you like to cliam we have the chips on our shoulders, then what is it that you have? you consistantly fail to heed your own quasi-intellectual psychoanalysis and when questioned as to why, just continue to attack and claim it is everyone else!! like sheek has said, the consistant inability of people to be introspective and look at themselves is a very typical human trait. its always everyone else, and mike, many a roarer has come to know that this is your M.O, but i guess a leopard never changes his spots, does he? by the way, what exactly was wrong with the paragraph that you criticised above? is it not true? why do you continue to generalise, but at the same time, decry it? when has anyone on here been affronted by the idea that the french played a good game? where did anyone say it was kiwi bashing? what treatment did quades family get? what exactly happened? where has anyone said that you cant mention what quade " actually" went through, instead of some made up gossip coming from his fans that dont even know him either? so maybe you should heed your own advice, because it appears you indeed are listening, and it obviously affects you, and you obviously feel the need to reply and obviously the manner of your reply reflects the deep hurt you must have and obviously you do indeed have a very big chip on your shoulder about us poor old unworthy cretins over the ditch!! poor poor us. (oops, is that a generalisation?)

Is that the setup for a Tui billboard?

Its not being discussed ad nauseam Jerry. The only reason it came up on this thread is because the topic is Quade Cooper and some kiwis couldn't help themselves.

True. Carlos wasn't a bad player.

If Quade has a career like Carlos Spencer did - 3 Super Rugby wins and a couple of Tri-Nations - I don't think his fans will be that disappointed. And he's already got one of each, so he's on his way.

"the rest of just take pity on them and move on" Yeah, that's why this is still being discussed ad nauseum. Cause you've all moved on.

"At the moment every thread, whether it be about the French team or Cooper’s knee reconstruction, gets turned into a royal commission into the general unworthiness of Kiwis. I think this trend says more about the knockers than the Kiwis themselves" Your comment says far more about you than about the 'knockers'. People point out that the French played as well as the ABs, but to you that is "bashing the kiwis"! And on the subject of Cooper, now you seem to be telling us that no-one can mention the treatment he and his family received in New Zealand, unless its along the lines of "He is utterly evil and deserved it all". Anyway, keep whining about the unfairness of it all. Maybe someone will listen.

Thank you liam for proving our point, in spades. Of course the "cooper-bashing" wil continue, by a sizeable minority of AB "fans", who know virtually nothing about rugby and exist on the same level as soccer hooligans. "it really is amazing. the sheer volumne of aussies coming out with all this" Yes, like the sheer volume of people who believe that the world is round. I expect you would find it 'amazing', just as you find the internal combustion engine, self-saucing puddings and and other such wonders 'amazing' ... ;) "how can grown people write this stuff?" I agree entirely. And yet, you keep on. Truly amazing. "so many people that dont care, taking so much effort to be so offensive." Yes, the Cooper-bashers do take so much effort to be offensive, but there are people like that in every corner of the globe so the rest of just take pity on them and move on. "and i know hundreds" I'm sure you do, and they all smile politely when you carry on. We have etiquette after all. "the 4 more years, the choking jokes….. aussie rugby fans are mourning not so much their own teams failure, but the death of these jibes" No, we don't even think about them actually. Its the kiwis who seem to have had an outsize chip on their shoulder about failing to win the world cup for 24 years. We are jsut all hoping now that those kiwis will finally stop their whining :)

nah, long may the bashing continue. its pretty pathetic reading this constant stream of drivel, insults, nzers should be ashamed, disgraceful etc etc, the win was without honour, ref gave them the game, chips on shoulders, dole bludging wife-beating thug hooligans..... it really is amazing. the sheer volumne of aussies coming out with all this, and some of it is purely bile. lots is super bitter... what about the columnist who came up with a "we dont care about rugby anyway nz" column right after the semifinal... how can grown people write this stuff? amazing. so many people that dont care, taking so much effort to be so offensive. it amazes me even more as all the aussies i know, and i know hundreds, are nice people and those that follow rugby are always grounded about it. but even so... i think in the end, the 4 more years, the choking jokes..... aussie rugby fans are mourning not so much their own teams failure, but the death of these jibes. how are they going to belittle the NZ fans now? it's a tough life.

I reckon they'll play Lucas at 10. He's a good player and can handle it. Mike Harris is the other option. They won't create tries like Quade, but they're both fine players who could handle it.

Whatever, need to remember we're dealing with the lowest common denominator...

i guess it could just be you, cattledog!! maybe your ability didnt match up to your attempt and vice versa. likewise, it doesnt surprise me, since we are being children.no you are, no you are, no you are (sob, sob)

i agree with everything you have said, sprigs. there were 3 games that i went to in which the wallabies played, and i couldnt ascertain any booing of the national anthem. there may well have been a token few who did, but then again, they exist everywhere, and certainly i am reasonable enough not to claim it is exclusive to any particular group of people. at the end of the day, i have always acknowledged the skill and panache that quade plays with, and if a little booing from the crowd puts him off, then he shouldnt be in a profession where results may be influenced by how the crowd recieves him. there seems to be a glorious amount of moral indignation over the whole affair, and this to me, is the absolute height of hypocrisy and frankly says to me that too many people would rather live in a bubble than in the real big bad world that i live in. if we advocate cheering then we must also allow the opposite, otherwise what is the point of "supporting" your team? sport is built and can only exist with this rivalry, and places like theroar, naturally feed off this idea. why else be critical of someones opinion, if not to "boo" it?! the self righteousness of many people is only natural, but also shows a lack of perspective of what happens elsewhere in the world, and i guess it just seems to be more kiwi bashing dressed up as moral outrage (which is very easy to do) and ultimately, opinion pretending to be fact. i go to every broncos home game and scream my head off when Yow Yeh makes another idiotic defensive play, but have no problem cheering for him when he does the spectacular. and as adults, both he and i should expect that.

I feel a bit sorry for Deans and I am a big fan of Cooper but geeze it will be nice when some of the Aussie posters on this forum turn their attention from bashing the Kiwis and NZ generally to bashing two kiwis in particular, Deans and Cooper, as they did prior to the World Cup. At the moment every thread, whether it be about the French team or Cooper's knee reconstruction, gets turned into a royal commission into the general unworthiness of Kiwis. I think this trend says more about the knockers than the Kiwis themselves.

I emphatically agree with Johnny-Boy

"No, its not a matter of upsetting, it was just boorish behaviour which belongs among soccer hooligans, not among rugby supporters. We understand entirely – winning is everything to you, and the game itself is not important." I don't think this is entirely accurate. The reality is that rugby in NZ is a sport of the people, whereas in many other countries it's an upper (or at least upper middle) class sport. The downside of this is that sometimes we get behavior that is generally thought of as boorish or 'lower class' but the upside is that it's an inclusive sport with very little snobbery (except amongst those who look down on the way they perceive some NH teams to play boring rugby). I said on another thread something like "I'd accept a few idiots booing if it means I live in a country that lives and breathes rugby rather than one where it all comes down to what school you went to", which was a bit of hyperbole on my part as the poster I was addressing was a bit shrill. The truth is somewhere in the middle - is one system better than the other? Who can really say? This isn't specifically meant for you, MIke, but I do think the whole Quade-Boo-Gate thing is a complete over-reaction by many and the rather sanctimonious tone to some of the criticism often reflects just as poorly on the people mentioning it as the booing did to the NZ rugby public.

On second thoughts, I appreciated your honesty, stillmatic1. You were brave enough to stand up and say you did it. Booing is understandable at times but it was the constant booing that I thought was unsportsmanlike, and the booing of the national anthem didn't go down well either--this kind of thing can spread. I don't know if it affected Quade. He is only 23 so it could well have been hard to handle. If it affected him in a negative way, then it was a real pity. Not only for him, but for the rugby loving public and potential fans who were watching rugby for the first time. Quade has sublime skills and when he is on form there are few who can match him for excitement and results.

Guess you really couldn't grasp the concept I was referring. Doesn't surprise me.

DS, I think you will find Murali didnt come here cause of comments from the PM who said he was a chucker. He has never said he felt unsafe in australia as far as I can recall. In regards to the games, my friend recently got back from the WC and said everyone was really friendly. He said everyone wanted to ask him if he was nervous cause they all were about the game. The overriding feeling in the ground was relief over excitement after the game.

Booing Quade was as much for a bit of humour as anything else, especially toward the end ofthe tournament. I hope he doesn't get booed when he plays here nex year. The joke's now old and was starting to wear thin towards the end. Unfortunately some people didn't know when to stop when he was injured, but fortunately most people stood and clapped him off the field and hopefully that puts the booing to bed Most people appreciate that the point has been made but I bet there will be one or two who will carry it over to next season. Big break for Harris though